The Travel Troubleshooter: Am I stuck with this $378 phone bill?

Question: I’ve been haggling with Travelocity for almost three months about a flight, and I need your help. I recently booked flights from Newark, N.J., to Madrid, Spain via Continental Airlines and on to my final destination of Barcelona, Spain, via Iberia.

The outbound trip was completed without issue, although I had to claim my baggage in Madrid, go through customs, and go back through the ticketing counter to get my second boarding pass.

Unfortunately, the return trip through Brussels was less successful. The itinerary that Travelocity sold me left me just one hour to make my connecting flight in Brussels to the U.S., but I had to claim a bag, go through customs, and then back to the ticketing counter again to get my boarding pass for the U.S.-bound flight.

When I arrived at the empty Continental ticket counter approximately 35 minutes before my flight, I managed to track down a Continental customer service agent, who refused to check me in because it was too late. She also told me the next flight was the following morning.

When I tried to dial the number provided by Travelocity for assistance outside of the U.S., the number would not connect. I tried multiple phones in the airport. Without other options, I collect called my fiancee in the U.S. and had her call the domestic Travelocity telephone number and after more than 30 minutes of international telephone calls, I was booked on the flight for the following morning.

My problem with this scenario is that I incurred a telephone bill of $378 in order to correct this situation caused by Travelocity selling me an itinerary that was physically impossible to achieve. Travelocity won’t refund my phone bill. Any ideas? — Jeffrey Grim, Boston

Answer: Travelocity shouldn’t have allowed you to reserve the itinerary that you did.

If your flights were connected on the same itinerary (which they appear to be) then the system should stop you from reserving a flight that doesn’t meet the minimum connect time rules. Something appears to have gone wrong, because you obviously didn’t have enough time to transfer to your overseas flight in Brussels.

Travelocity also should have provided you with a number that worked from Brussels. I think you did your best to contact the online travel agency through normal channels before resorting to an expensive collect call. And yes, calling Travelocity was the best option, since this was an immediate concern. Had it been something less urgent, I would recommend sending an email.

But I think you could have prevented this from happening, too. Did you take a moment to read your itinerary after you booked your tickets? If you had, you might have noticed the short connection times, and could have asked Travelocity to fix it. One hour is barely enough time to change planes domestically, so this is a challenge that could have been identified and addressed long before your trip.

You had a second chance to fix this when you experienced a tight connection on your inbound flight. You might have wondered if the connection problem would happen on your return flight, reviewed your itinerary and contact Travelocity.

It’s unusual for an online travel agency to refund a phone bill, but in this case, I think it should consider doing so, at a minimum. I contacted Travelocity on your behalf. It apologized and agreed to refund your phone bill.

  • MikeZ

    When you are stuck in a foreign country and being told you are SOL, I have no doubt that one would be looking for a phone card, internet cafe, or anything else. Also, not all phones are global phones these days, so skype may not have been an option, and even then there are charges for many calls.

  • Clare

    I think it’s unfair to put any burden on the customer here, Chris.  More seasoned international travellers know that a one-hour layover in Brussels is impossible.  But plenty of people have no clue–and that’s why they trust the airline, or the travel agent, or in this case Travelocity, to sell them something that IS possible!

    I myself have in the past dealt with more than one travel agent AND with airlines (on the phone) who were ready to sell me undoable itineraries like this one.  Only because I had done enough overseas travel was I able to say, “hey, wait a minute, that’s too short a layover!  How is your computer even allowing you to offer that to me?”  Pretty pathetic that I had to do their job for them… but in any event, contrary to some of the posts here, I know from experience that it IS possible for some dimwit to sell you a ridiculous itinerary like the OP got.

    As for Travelocity’s phone number: I know that toll-free US numbers do not work from Italy because I live in Italy now.  Believe me, employees at TONS of American businesses who also SHOULD know this, like banks and credit-card companies, do not!  I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to practically shout at them in emails, “TOLL-FREE NUMBERS DO NOT WORK HERE!”  And seriously, from the way they act, you would think that I was the first person ever to have this issue.  So it’s very easy for me to believe that Travelocity stupidly gives out a number to its customers that is inaccessible from other countries.  They’re not the only ones who do.

  • Bodega

    Isn’t Travelocity an online booking engine?  They provide what the airlines provide them, all of which is ‘legal’.  Just because people book online doesn’t mean they know what they are doing.  You do learn by experience and if you are new to this, go to a professional.

    Sometimes there is just no option in the flight schedules between cities that are ‘reasonable’ and it is very annoying.  Tighter and tigher schedules are showing up all the time.

  • Wrona

    Just an FYI, they are in different alliances.  Iberia is One World.  Continental is Star Alliance.

    But, being in the same alliance doesn’t necessarily mean they can print boarding passes for the other airline.  Even with in Star Alliance, the airlines computer systems don’t always cooperate, so airlines can only print boarding passes for some of the other airlines, but not all.

  • Asiansm Dan

    In my opinion, it’s the BCN Check-in Airlines can be at fault here. The agent could be lazy, or don’t like the OP face…. anything possible. Maybe, the OP check himself with a boarding pass issue machine maybe he don’t show all the itinerary, some information missing here. Surely the Web check-in the day before traveling could figure out or fix the problem but we don’t know if the OP do the web check-in or do it properly.
    Schengen or not you still go thru the security again and again, no doubt about it, but luggage can go thru from Schengen to Schengen to US or anywhere else without claiming luggage and re-check. I did it many many times.

  • Asiansm Dan

    I am a Road Warrior and I refuse less than 2.5 hrs connection.
    See the Ontime statistiques and horror stories about tarmac delay.
    Call a toll free number in US or Canada is a acrobatic  time-consuming already before you can reach a “competent” agent, not talking about when you are in the other end of the world.
    Sometimes I have to spend 10 minutes on website before finding a right phone number to call.

  • Tony A.

    Clare,
    I respectfully disagree with your position that a burden has been placed on the OP. Here is my reasoning:

    (1) An unseasoned traveler would likely prefer to fly nonstop. They are motivated by FEAR and do not want any complication. In this case there was and is a nonstop option between EWR and BCN on
    Continental. I guarantee you that Travelocity would gladly sell that.

    (2) However, seasoned and unseasoned travelers are also motivated by GREED. They want to pay the least amount; sometimes cutting corners in the process. I am also sure that Travelocity will be willing to sell you separate tickets if that is what you believe will cost you less money.

    (3) As I said in my post above, Continental will not offer a routing EWR-MAD-BCN where the Iberia is the carrier for MAD-BCN. The same is true for BCN-BRU-EWR where Iberia is the carrier for BCN-BRU. In my opinion, someone had to buy SEPARATE TICKETS:
    (A) EWR-MAD / BRU-EWR open jaw on Continental
    (B) MAD-BCN /BCN-BRU open jaw on Iberia
    because they probably cost less together.

    So I agree with Bodega, that if ONE GAMES THEY SYSTEM to get a lower price, then they must take the risk and responsibility of doing so.
    Travelocity and the OTAs are internet vending machines. You still have to pick and choose what you want to buy. Can you blame a vending machine if it dispensed you a cold, lousy tasting sandwich? Absolutely not since you could have schlepped to Subway and got yourself a nice sub. Cheers.

  • Anonymous

    Per the article:  When I tried to dial the number provided by Travelocity for assistance outside of the U.S., the number would not connect. I tried multiple phones in the airport.

  • Anna

    I’m not convinced Grim doesn’t share some of the blame for this mess – a one-hour connection in Brussels is doable if you and your bags are already checked in. Basically, Grim acted as his own travel agent did a poor job putting together his itinerary. A comparable scenario is a non-US citizen travelling to the US – this person may also need some extra time to get through immigration etc., but the search engines still suggest itineraries with like a 50 minutes connection time because it’s perfectly doable for US citizens.

    Second, a $378 phone bill for fixing a broken flight is extreme. Did he stay on the phone with the fiancee the entire time while she was taking to Travelocity? A couple of quick calls back and forth – I can totally understand that – but 30 minutes? “Help, I’m stranded, can you call Travelocity and fix this for me – just text me the booking number, ktnxbye”… doesn’t that just about cover it? There are lots of cheaper alternative available if you need to have a lengthy, cross-Atlantic conversation – Skype, IM, chat, e-mail, etc.

    Also, you think Travelocity should also refund Grim’s hotel and restaurant bills? Ok, if this really was a Travelocity blunder then that seems fair enough. But does that mean Grim can check into a 5 star-hotel for the night, treat himself to five pounds of caviar and bathe in champagne – and pass a $10,000 bill on to Travelocity? Or is there a “reasonable” limit somewhere?
     

  • Tony A.

    She was probably calling the 888 Toll Free #. That’s not going to work.
    She should be calling 1.210.477.1089 outside the U.S.
    Believe me it (the 201 #)  works!

  • Anna

    Maybe he forgot about the international call prefix!?

  • Tony A.

    That’s probably Vueling VY (since the Iberia flight is only a codeshare of Vueling). I’m not even sure Vueling has an a interline ticketing and baggage agreement with United/Continental. I think they operate very much like an LCC airline, point to point. If my hunch is true, we cannot blame them (VY) for not issuing CO Boarding Pass and not checking bags through.

    Note my GDS says – NO ELECTRONIC INTERLINE TICKET AGREEMENT  *CO-VY
    So there you go. Too bad for the OP.

  • Anna

    As usual…

  • Tony A.

    Allocating at least 2 hours per connection is a good idea. 2.5 hours even better.
    If we use your standard, NO FLIGHT FROM BCN-BRU-EWR (with BRU-EWR on Continental) would work. Since Continental departs BRU at 10AM or 9AM depending on the season, then you need to be arrive at BRU at 6:30~7:30AM.
    BCN to BRU is at least a 2 hour flight; and no flight out of Europe is scheduled to  depart at 430AM (specially Spain when everyone is awake till late at night).

    The fault lies on the idiot who sold or bought this ticket in the first place.
    I need to see evidence that Travelocity recommended this solution to the OP before I can blame them.
    Sorry for using bold language but this case deserves it.

  • Tony A.

    But he called his fiancee in the USA collect. And she called Travelocity’s local number.
    So why couldn’t he simply call Travelocity’s 210# collect?

  • Scott

    You would love to blame the carrier?  Why?  The “ridiculous legal connection” has nothing to do with the carrier.  Carriers do not set Minimum Connection Times.  Again, as other posters have stated, those are MINIMUMS, not let me see how tight I can boojk my connection compared to the MCT.

  • Bodega

    You don’t get to see how tight you can book you connection.  That is provided for you in your options on a nonrefundable ticket as the carrier marries the segments.  With a full coach ticket, full biz and full first, you can often cherry pick your fights within the allowed connecting time window, which is usually up to 4 hours, but that isn’t 100%.  At least you can do this through a travel agent, not sure you can do it onlline, as I once tried for fun and couldn’t.  In fact, I did a comparison with a airline’s website and it wouldn’t let me cherry pick the full biz class seats but I could in my GDS and I got the fare at $1000 less in the GDS than on the carrier’s website.

    The carriers don’t set the minimums, but they certainly marry segments with those minimums and many have misconnects because of the unreasonable, yet, legal connect times.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    disclaimer: Too much gooblygook or me to wade through.

    I don’t think you read my post.  My point is that if the OP cherry picked his flights, i.e. the segments are unconnected, that’s his problem.  We agree on that.

    However, to use a simple example. If I book at ticket from SFO to RDU (just did it last month), on AA that flight generally connects through either ORD or DFW.  AA should not present me with an “illegal’ connection options. If it does then AA is at fault. 

    Now, If  I book SFO to DFW, then DFW to RDU, then whatever comes up is my own fault because I am bypassing the normal protections.

    I don’t think you disagree with any of these hypotheticals

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    People book online for numerous reasons.  I actually don’t expect to save money online.  I book online because its generally faster and more efficient for me.

    But my question, if you book a simple flight, as in my SFO to RDU hypothetical, the carrier shouldn’t present you with illegal connections.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    People book online for numerous reasons.  I actually don’t expect to save money online.  I book online because its generally faster and more efficient for me.

    But my question, if you book a simple flight, as in my SFO to RDU hypothetical, the carrier shouldn’t present you with illegal connections.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    I’m curious.  If the carriers don’t set the minimum connect times, then who does?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Verizon charges $5.00 per minute in europe ( or at least used to).  That makes it closer to one hour and a half hours.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Perhaps you get an automated system.  In my experience that messes up collect calls

  • Tony A.

    The airports together with OAG does.

  • Tony A.

    In your example, if SFO-DFW is in a separate ticket from DFW-RDU, then they are separate journeys. That’s 100% your responsibility if you try to connect the 2 in DFW.

    If you tell the airline you want to fly from SFO-RDU, they will give you many different choices, with “legal” connections (if any).

    I want to repeat (again and again) – BCN to BRU on Vueling or Iberia Codeshare + BRU to EWR on Continental will NEVER NEVER be offered by Continental EVEN IF the connection time between the flights may be legal. Vueling and Continental do not have an interline e-ticket agreement so they cannot issue tickets on each others flights.

  • Tony A.

    In your example, if SFO-DFW is in a separate ticket from DFW-RDU, then they are separate journeys. That’s 100% your responsibility if you try to connect the 2 in DFW.

    If you tell the airline you want to fly from SFO-RDU, they will give you many different choices, with “legal” connections (if any).

    I want to repeat (again and again) – BCN to BRU on Vueling or Iberia Codeshare + BRU to EWR on Continental will NEVER NEVER be offered by Continental EVEN IF the connection time between the flights may be legal. Vueling and Continental do not have an interline e-ticket agreement so they cannot issue tickets on each others flights.

  • Tony A.

    Carver, as Bodega has explained, carriers put together 2 (or more) flights as MARRIED SEGMENTS. They are sold TOGETHER – a JOINT FLIGHT. They are “engineered” in such a way as the connections between the flights are legal.

    After you buy those “joined” flights, the schedule of the individual flights MAY change. If the change is drastic, the minimum connection time could be breached. The airline has programs that check if your connected flights are still OK. If not then they will contact you with a new flight schedule to replace your old flights. I have seen this happen many many times with my clients. In fact, it’s my office that sees the changes and we contact our clients.

    Note that when you buy a ticket, only ONE airline is responsible for ALL flights on that ticket even if multiple airlines are on the ticket. For example, if you fly from Dallas (DFW) to HongKong on Cathay Pacific (CX), the flights may be AA DFW-LAX plus CX LAX-HKG. CX will put together the AA flight with their own flights and will make sure that the LAX connection in legal. If the AA schedule changes, AA will inform CX of the change and CX will re-evaluate your itinerary. If the connection in LAX is still legal, no problem, they will just inform you of the time change. But if AA cancels their flight or changes the schedule drastically, CX will have to find a new flight that will make your trip still possible. They may pick an earlier AA flight out of DFW or re-route you all together so that you can still make it to HongKong.

    In the example above, CX has INTERLINED an AA flight. They have issued you a coupon (a ticket) to be used on the AA flight. This is only possible IF an INTERLINE E-TICKET AGREEMENT exists between CX and AA. Same is true with your baggage. There has to be an agreement that CX and AA will exchange baggage handling. OR ELSE, you will have to pick up and claim your bags on the AA belt in LAX and recheck them in on the CX counter.

    In the OPs example, the BCN-BRU flight is (or may since we never got  a confirmation) operated by Vueling, and the BRU-EWR is on Continental. Since NO E-TKT INTERLINE AGREEMENT exists between the 2, then Continental could have not sold the Vueling ticket to the OP. In addition, if the OP tried to get his bags tagged to EWR AND TRANSFERRED to Continental (at BRU) during BCN check in, Vueling would not and could not do it.

    That said, people who buy more than one ticket and expect to connect seamlessly between the flights on those separate tickets are either very lucky travelers or qualified fools. Most of the times the “savings” are not enough to pay for hotels, meals and change fees if one misses their “connections”. The dead giveaway sign that people are on separate tickets is when they have to claim their check luggage and recheck them in again on the next airline. With current luggage jams and security checks this is an invitation to missed flights.

    Carter, I know you are asking INTELLIGENT questions. These are BASIC FAQs on how the airline industry works. A lot of people who buy from Internet Vending Machines DO NOT KNOW THE IN’s and OUT’s of the AIRLINES. So they are on their own. But when trouble happens, they bitch and moan and contact an ombudsman. They never think of blaming themselves for their ignorance.

  • Tony A.

    [QUOTE] Too much gooblygook or me to wade through.

    Exactly, Carver. I am trying to explain to you what a qualified travel agent is suppose to know. The airline industry (represented by IATA mostly) is a body of RULES. Just like lawyers for the legal system, good travel agents are experts on these airline rules.

    If one does his own will or legal document, then he is responsible for his mistakes. He D-I-Yed it, sorry.
    If one buys an airline ticket on the internet, then he is also responsible for his mistakes. OTAs are virtual vending machines. Anyone buying tickets on the internet are D-I-Ying their travel planning. They get what they paid for -self service. Plain and simple.

  • Linda

    I never accept an itinerary with less than 2 hrs. connect time on an international flight, even if no luggage recheck is needed.  For what he was doing, I would have required 3 hrs.  Not sure why the online booking engines allow the short connections that they do, but you need to be vigilant and not assume what they give you will actually work.

  • Bodega

    With the internet, people think they know what they are doing.  As someone on another site has said over and over again, ‘any monkey can do it’.  Except booking air travel is more complicated than that, yet the the buying public isn’t privy to this.  Yes, you can pick you fliights, but are those all your option?  How do you know?  How do you know why that fare is being given to you and if it is the best, or what you are hoping is the lowest?  You don’t.  You are only provided what the carrier wishes you to see and book.  This applies to the carrier’s website and all the OTA sites.  However, due to laws passed for fairness in the GDS, we have it all in one place.  The carriers would love to get rid of the GDS and only have the public buy online.  They can manipulate you better and make more money off you.  As I have mentioned before, I knocked $1000 per person off a full biz class fare in my GDS that I could not get on a carrier’s website.  The fare was available, the flights met the connecting requirements, but the site would not provide the earlier flight, which was just one hour prior.  I am not aware of any laws stating that websites have to provide all options.

    This lack of information leads to comments, even made on this website, for example, of Southwest not being the lowest, just because of when a shopper goes on line to check fares.  The shopper doesn’t have a clue to why.  We have that information and know why and it isn’t what the shopper thinks they know even though they may be million mile travelers. 

  • Brooklyn

    He should have been booked into a hotel by Travelocity at its corporate rate, which would doubtless have been more reasonable than anything he could find in an emergency in a strange country, and Travelocity should have paid.  But in fact, he doesn’t seem to have asked for hotel and food reimbursement, so maybe Travelocity (or Continental) did indeed take care of this. A calling card would have been a good idea, but when people panic they sometimes act rashly and the responsible party – whether the airline or the travel site – just has to eat that extra cost as a fine for putting the customer in such a difficult position in the first place!

  • Carver

    So basically, you agree, but for some reason cannot bring yourself to say so.

  • Carver

    No one doubts that a travel agent has more information and knowledge at his/her fingertips than others.  But that is true is every field and every professional.  But its only travel agents who are promoting the mantra that DIY is always inferior.

    As long as that is the mantra, travel agents will never achieve the full respect for their work as they deserve.  Doctors have immense training, yet if you go to a doctor for every bruise, bump, and scratch, you’re a hypochondriac.  You don’t call a plumber for every stopped drain.  You don’t call an attorney to read every contract.  Most folks don’t need an accountant to do their taxes, and by extensive, not every travel itinerary needs a travel agent’s assistance.

    I just booked a flight from SFO to LAX and back leaving next Friday for $98.00 using aa.com.  I am a gold member so no baggage fee.  I also booked Hertz, not because of price, but because of better service.

    This is the simple, easy travel plan that I think if travel agents would concede doesn’t require professional assistance, the credibility of the industry would increase.

  • Carver

    It took me a while to understand your responses.  Truthfully, when you started getting into the TA minutiae, I skimmed it.  Going back, I see you have changed the parameters slightly by adding a fat derived from a conclusion, which is probably correct, but not part of the posted story.  The original story does not state that the OP purchased seperate tickets for the return.  However, you are going from the position that he must have given the lack of an inteline agreement.

    Thus we have two scenarios

    IF you are correct, and the OP purchased two seperate tickets then the OP is SOL. 

    If, however, the OP purchased a single itinerary, then the carriers are at fault for selling an illegal connection.

    This seems very simple, and does not require any great expertise or understanding. 

  • Carver

    Tony

    I think you responses would be alot clearer if you made it crystal that you are proceeding from a point, not stated in the article, that the OP must have purchased seperate tickets.

    I think Clare and most others are operating from the assumption that this is a SINGLE itinerary that the OP purchased.  In which case Clare is right.  Neither a Travel agent, not an online system, should be presenting, much less selling, “illegal” connections on a SINGLE itinerary.

  • Carver

    I agree.  When traveling, especially to Heathrow, I require no less than three hours, a

  • Bodega

    It isn’t the DIY part Clark, it is the fact that as a shopper, you don’t know why the price is what it is and if indeed you are getting the best price.  What is the lowest published fare in that market for the days you are traveling and do all carriers offer it?  Is there a lower fare for other days of travel.  You can’t find that information, all in one place, as far as I know online.  If I am incorrect, please let me know. 

    As for respect, I think we have it far more than an lawyer does.

  • Tony A.

    Carver, there are many kinds of “travel” agents. I for one do not believe that everybody needs one.  Some do, some don’t. The fact the the majority of airline tickets are bought online means that people are content with “booking” tickets online. In fact, I spend almost all of my airline work time on International markets since that is where human intervention has the most value.  Just like any professional, a travel agent needs to prove that s/he is needed. It is not an entitlement.

  • Bodega

    This is what is puzzling.  My guess is he did have two tickets, but he got Chris to fight for him because Travelocity didn’t provide an international number for him to use which if true, should be remedied by the OTA.  What I don’t get is why the carrier didn’t just reaccommdate him and why he had to call at all.  Something just isn’t sitting right with me on this story. 

  • Tony A.

    Carver, there is one party missing in your examples – agents.
    Agents can put together flights. So agents can also be mistaken if they book connecting flights that are “too” tight.

    The party that makes the mistake is the one who put together the flights. It’s that simple.

    Also, if you noticed, I tried to recreate the OP’s flights using my GDS so I eliminate hypothetical Q&As. I really only want to deal with facts but sometimes they are not posted here.

  • Tony A.

    NOT THE CARRIER! THE AGENT IS AT FAULT IF THEY PUT IT TOGETHER.
    Continental will never put together a Vueling operated flight connection with United/CO.
    PERIOD.

    This is the reason why I WANT TO SEE PROOF THAT EXPEDIA ACTUALLY SOLD THOSE FLIGHT SEGMENTS TOGETHER TO THE OP.

    I disagree with you this is a simple matter. This requires PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE. As you can see I am doing some “FORENSICS” of the case. For example, do you know what the minimum connection time in BRU for Veuling to United/CO is? It is an EXCEPTION to the standard MCT.

    All you see in the post is Iberia and Continental. Well guess what? Iberia does not fly BCN to BRU. They simply codeshare Veuling’s flights. And the CO flight from BRU to EWR is actually United. And since there is no interline agreement between Vueling and Continental, then the passenger could never have done InterAirline Through Check-In and Baggage Check Through. In other words, the passenger needed a hell of a lot more time to connect in Brussels.

  • Tony A.

    If the OP did have 2 tickets, then CO simply NO SHOed him in BRU. Why should they reaccommodate him when they (CO) are not responsible for the BCN-BRU segment at all? CO was under no obligation under EC261/2004 to reaccommodate the passenger.

    But if CO *sold* the BCN-BRU segment, then CO would be required to reaccommodate him. This is why we need to see the ticket or tickets. But I suspect the reason he had to call Travelocity was that CO did not care to help him since they had no obligation to.

    We really need to see the ticket so we don’t have to speculate anymore.

  • Bodega

    We can’t sell them, the computer GDS doesn’t let us and since the OTA use the same program, they can’t sell them either.  The only way this was done was with two separate tickets, which for some reason Chris isn’t providing that information.

    Now we do get schedule changes after ticketing that often make connecting flights with less than the legal allowance, even some that are absolute misconnects.  All done by computers, so we do call and get clients protected on other flights at no extra charge.

  • Carver

    Since the OP didn’t mention using an agent, I ignored that issue.  Obviously if an agent erred in creating the itinerary then the agents bears responsibility.

    I understand the part about recreating the OP’s itinerary.  However, I don’t think that’s a useful exercise.  There is too much extraneous information presented that way. A nice clean hypthetical serves to illustrate the same points and issues without muddying the waters.  Otherwise you end up with voluminous posts that only get half read.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Really Bodega

    Given your history of even tempered comments, a snarky comment was unexpected, particularly as no offense was intended.

    Actually, your knee jerk response shows the problem of this industry.   Its been so ravaged by self bookings and the resulting reduction in revenue that even normally well manner folks like Bodega become hypersensitized to any critiques of the industry.

    With regards to your question, yes, you can find out if there are lower prices for other days. The engines have several options for this.  Simply use the flexible date search and the lowest price for your city pairs will be displayed for several days both before and after your trip.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Really Bodega

    Given your history of even tempered comments, a snarky comment was unexpected, particularly as no offense was intended.

    Actually, your knee jerk response shows the problem of this industry.   Its been so ravaged by self bookings and the resulting reduction in revenue that even normally well manner folks like Bodega become hypersensitized to any critiques of the industry.

    With regards to your question, yes, you can find out if there are lower prices for other days. The engines have several options for this.  Simply use the flexible date search and the lowest price for your city pairs will be displayed for several days both before and after your trip.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Well said.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    All of the “forensics” that you are doing is only necessary because you don’t have all of the facts as the article doesn’t present them.  But if you had a copy of the ticket(s), you would know instantly the underlying facts.

    I assume that the ticket would say Iberia then somewhere disclose that its being flown on Vueling.

    I also assume that you would be able to tell instantly from the PNR whether the flight was booked as one itinerary on travelocity or as multiple, unrelated itineraries.

    What am I missing?

  • Tony A.

    Even if you see the ticket, if you do NOT KNOW THE AIRLINE RULES then you cannot say whether the tickets are OK or not. A good travel agent KNOWS THE RULES. Like I said in the post above lawyers know the law, travel agents know the rules. IGNORANCE OF AIRLINE RULES DOES NOT EXEMPT ONE FROM MAKING MISTAKES.

  • Tony A.

    Carver, I’m sorry but you are really displaying you ignorance of how airline distribution works. The OP USED AN AGENT! Travelocity is a travel agent. They are appointed by airlines to issue tickets and settle payments using the ARC system.

    You must know how the itinerary was created since as the OP and Chris Elliott have both claimed – the itinerary had an “illegal” connection in Brussels. If one makes that accusation then they must show proof that is was indeed “illegal”, correct? Well neither the OP nor Elliott has shown here any proof.

    About the long posts – well if you read the rules and tariffs of airlines you will understand why it takes a long post to explain SOME of the issues. You said you were a programmer in your “younger” days. Let me give you an answer to your speculative question regarding a hypothetical SFO to RDU flight on AA. You assumed that Minimum connection time is a simple question. Well take a look see …

    Here’s a flight today -
    16OCT-SU-632P SFORDU
    1*O#AA 554   SFOORD  200P 810P     6 757 0E
    2*O#AA4241   ORDRDU  845P1135P  *5 ER4 0E

    There’s only a 35 minute connection in Chicago ORD. It is legal? What do you think?
    Some people think the minimum connection time in ORD is strictly 50 minutes, how about you? Are you ready for more gobbledygook?

    Carver, minimum connection time depends on which airlines are connecting, the type of connection, the terminals involved, etc., etc., etc. As I told you earlier OAG maintains the MCT information for airports. See http://www.oagaviation.com/Solutions/Aviation-Data/OAG-MCT  Many GDS programmers uses this database to put together flight segments.

    Now here is what it is for AA to AA connections in ORD. Are you ready?
    As you can see, it depends on a lot of factors. The flights above have an MCT of 35 minutes so it’s a “legal” connection. If you think being a good travel agent is easy, ya better think again.

    >MCT  ORD-AA-AA                               DD  DI  ID  II
    STANDARD:         ORD                          050 075 090 090
    AA-AA ONLINE     ORD                          035 035 080 080
    EXCEPTIONS:
    A/L FLT-NBR  EQP TR DEPARR AREA
    AA 0001-5099                                   — — — 120
    AA 7181-7218           AMM
     
    AA 0001-8399               CA                  SUP — — SUP
    AA 0001-8399               CA
     
    AA 0001-8399               CA                  — SUP SUP —
    AA 0001-8399               CA
     
    AA 0001-8399               MX                  — — — SUP
    AA 0001-8399               MX
     
    AA 0001-5099     3  FPO                        — 060 — —
    AA 0001-8099     3
     
    AA 0001-5099     3  NAS                        — 060 — —
    AA 0001-8099     3
     
    AA 0001-8349     3                             — 090 — —
    AA 5970-6017     5
     
    AA 0001-8349     3                             — 120 — —
    AA 7181-7218     5
     
    AA               3                             — 075 — —
    AA 5100-8399     5
     
    AA 0001-5099 W      DUB                        055 — — —
    AA 0001-8399
     
    AA 0001-2699        DEL                        — — 090 090
    AA 0001-8399
     
    AA 0001-5099        DUB                        050 — — —
    AA 0001-8399
     
    AA 0001-5099        FPO                        060 — — —
    AA 0001-8399
     
    AA 0001-5099        NAS                        060 — — —
    AA 0001-8399
     
    AA 7181-7218        AMM                        — — — 120
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 2700-5099               CA                  039 — — —
    AA 2700-5099
     
    AA 6125-6749 W                                 — — 085 —
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 0001-5099                                   050 — 090 090
    AA 5100-8399
     
    AA 0001-5099                                   — 090 — —
    AA 6071-6124
     
    AA 0001-5099                                   — 075 — —
    AA 8140-8399
     
    AA 2700-5099                                   029 — — —
    AA 2700-5099
     
    AA 5100-6070                                   — — — 090
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 5100-8399                                   050 075 — —
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 5100-8399                                   SUP SUP SUP SUP
    AA 5100-8399
     
    AA 5815-5969                                   — — 085 —
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 5815-5969                                   — — 090 —
    AA 5100-8349
     
    AA 5970-6017                                   — — 120 —
    AA 0001-8349
     
    AA 6018-6070                                   — — 090 —
    AA 0001-8349
     
    AA 6071-6124                                   — — 120 120
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 6125-6749                                   — — 085 —
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 6125-8399                                   — — — 090
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 6750-8399                                   — — 090 —
    AA 0001-8349
     
    AA 7181-7218                                   — — 120 —
    AA 0001-5099
     
    AA 8140-8399                                   — — 090 —   
    D
    AA 0001-5099
     
    -ALL-                                          SUP — SUP —
    AA 5100-8399
     
    -ALL-                                          — — — 120
    AA 7181-7218
     
    -ALL-                                          — SUP — SUP
    AA 8140-8399
     
    AA 0001-2699 W                                 — — — 085
    AA
     
    AA           W      DUB                        — 055 — —
    AA
     
    AA                  DUB                        — 050 — —
    AA
     
    AA           W             CA                  050 050 — —
    AA
     
    AA                         CA                  045 045 — —
    AA
     
    AA           W                                 040 040 085 —
    AA
     
    -ALL-        W                                 — — 085 —
    AA
     
    -ALL-                                          — — 080 —
    AA
     
    AA 5100-8399                                   SUP SUP — —
    -ALL-
     
    AA 7181-7218                                   — — 120 120
    -ALL-
     
    AA 8140-8399                                   — — SUP SUP
    -ALL-
     
    AA                  FPO                        060 — — —
    -ALL-
     
    AA 7181-7218                                   — — 120 120
    -ALL-
     
    AA 8140-8399                                   — — SUP SUP
    -ALL-
     
    AA                  FPO                        060 — — —
    -ALL-
     
    AA                  NAS                        060 — — —
    -ALL-
    **END OF DISPLAY**