No refund for mom’s Priceline package and no appeal

Question: My mother-in-law had a very bad encounter with Priceline, and needs your help. She booked a package deal to San Diego that included round-trip airfare, rental car and a hotel stay. She found out literally right after she booked it that the hotel was in a bad part of town.

We called Priceline and went through several people to see if we could have the entire trip credited back and then we explained we planned on re-booking a more expensive package. Her sister had died recently, and after much arguing, a Priceline representative agreed to credit everything even though their policy was to only credit hotel and rental, as long as a death certificate was sent.

Priceline eventually credited back all but the airline tickets. The company refuses to honor a manager’s word. Is there anything we can do? — Paul Cantrell, Albuquerque, NM

Answer: If a Priceline representative promised your mother-in-law a full refund for her vacation, she should have received one.

But did the representative speak out of turn? Priceline’s vacation packages are highly restrictive. Read the terms and conditions on the site for yourself. Each component — air, car rental and hotel — has its own refund rules, so unless the manager researched each one while you were on the phone, he wouldn’t have been able to offer a blanket refund.

Then again, this could have turned out far worse. If you mother-in-law had used Priceline’s “name-your-own-price” service, which allows you to bid for an airline ticket, car, or hotel room, she probably wouldn’t have been able to get any refund.

Still, I have to wonder about a thing or two. Priceline’s vacation package site lists the name of the hotel — unlike “name-your-own-price” where you don’t get to find out the name of the resort until you pay for it. Why not investigate the neighborhood of your hotel before you book?

You say that your mother-in-law’s sister had died recently. As it turns out, she had passed away before this booking was made. In effect, the Priceline representative was offering a way to cancel this package by showing a death certificate, even though this isn’t the intent of the rule that allows someone to cancel when there’s been a death in the family. He probably shouldn’t have done that.

I’m not surprised Priceline backed away from its original verbal agreement. The representative shouldn’t have promised you a full refund and shouldn’t have offered the death-certificate waiver. Instead, your mother-in-law should have reviewed Priceline’s terms and done her due diligence on the hotel before she clicked the “buy” button.

Still, a promise is a promise. I contacted Priceline on your behalf. “Good news,” a representative responded a few days later. “We were able to obtain a refund from the airline for the air portion of this package.”

(Photo: slack 12/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    Paul’s mother-in-law should be very grateful to Priceline that she received a full refund. Except for a customer service representative who tried to help Paul’s mother-in-law by using a death-certificate waiver to get a refund which wasn’t applicable, I think that Priceline did nothing wrong in this situation. I think that they were more than generous.

    I agree with Chris that Paul’s mother-in-law should have investigated the area where the hotel before she booked the vacation package. It is my guess that she never thought of researching the area before she booked the package or she assumed that Priceline won’t have selected a hotel in a bad part of the town.

  • http://insidethelinespainting.com Tom

    It looks like Priceline has done more that could be expected based on the normal policy. It always surprises me that inside a large company like Priceline that managers still find a way to overstep there bounds.

  • fed-up

    I suppose I’ll start making bad purchases…I’ll just email Chris and he’ll get me out of my stupidity!

  • Thalassa

    I’m very confused. If her only complaint was that the hotel was in a bad part of town, why would she want the airline tickets refunded? Is she cancelling the trip altogether just because she was given a hotel in a bad part of town?

    And yes, she should have done her research ahead of time. I never cease to be amazed by people who don’t do this.

  • Caitlin

    I’m curious about how her sister’s death (while no doubt a tragic event) had anything to do with the cancellation of the vacation. By her own admission, it was because of the hotel’s location.

    I think Priceline did more than they had to in this situation. Who books a place (ONLINE, to boot) without a quick check on it first?

  • Liz

    As an obsessive researcher, I agree that she should have paid more attention ahead of time, especially when booking travel with strict cancellation terms. Normally, I’d side with Priceline on this one–but their representative apparently made a promise and so I think it was perfectly appropriate for Chris to at least look into the situation. (Eventually) Issuing a full refund was good customer service on Priceline’s behalf and helps balance some of the horror stories we see.

    @Thalassa – The letter states she intended to book a more expensive package, which presumably would include airfare, and therefore would have wound up with 2 sets of tickets. Perhaps they couldn’t split the airline tickets out of the original package deal and so she wanted a refund of the whole bundle.

  • Cory J.

    I agree with Fed-Up! I think I’ll start being a Greedy-Gretchin, booking cheap vacation packages through Expedia or Priceline, not be satisfied with what I’ve done, and then contact Chris and whine and complain and blame the big old corporation for their greed and not my own stupidity. Time and again Chris is an advocate for these morons and I really have to wonder why?!?

    In this case the mother-in-law knew the property prior to booking, it was displayed on the web page. How did she find out “right after booking” that it was in a “bad part of town”? And who is the authority on “bad part of town”? Her sister died recently, condolences to her, but it is shameful to use that as her excuse for booking a vacation package via Priceline and then trying to get her money back. If you don’t know where you’re going, then use a travel agent and take the appropriate insurance on the package, or at least do your own research on the properties/packages being offered prior to booking.

    If you think you’re that savvy and smart enough to book a ‘deal’ through Priceline, Expedia, etc., then you better be prepared for all the pitfalls too! Chris, I think it’s time you start to advocate for those that truly need your skill, expertise and contacts, not the Wendy Whiners and Greedy Gretchins.

  • Bill

    I booked a hotel room at their “no refund rate” for five days during a really slow period when they don’t have a chance of reselling the room.

    I recently found out that the hotel serves a kind of cola I don’t like and that they don’t speak swahili at the front desk. My dog died 25 years ago. They won’t give me a refund. Please help.

  • Jesse

    @Chris – We really appreciate your advocacy and often you’ve solved difficult problems for people in bad situations – but I really have to ask: If you feel, based on your own research and due diligence, that a company is in the “right” for rejecting a refund request – why do you still go to bat for a refund?

    You should save your powers for those who really, by your own research, genuinely need it. Not just for whoever wants a refund regardless of whether it’s owed.

  • Carver

    @Chris

    Isn’t amazing that there are all these people who know better than you who you should be helping.

  • Chuck

    A bad part of town? I used to live in San Diego and I’m curious as to where this “bad part of town” is.

    If they were looking for a place near the 32nd Street Naval Station they clearly needed to do some homework. National City is not a nice place but when my parents visited me when I was stationed there I advised them to stay in the city.

    No excuse for ignorance especially when you have tripadvisor, yelp, etc.these days.

  • Stefan

    I have used priceline.com for years. Well aware of hugely restrictive bookings, but did great. Stayed at places that I should never have been able to afford and enjoyed myself.

    However, the days of priceline.com being a useful site are mostly gone.

    The hotels treat you like dirt when you check in as they know that you did not intend on booking with their hotel–thus they give you the same loyalty that you showed them. They always put us by elevators in worst room possible now. It used to be that in Asia and Europe they didn’t know that priceline was an opaque site–but those days are gone too. We recently stayed in a hotel in Hong Kong booked on priceline called Cityview. Supposedly 4 star hotel–when really it was a revamped YMCA. Really, it felt like being in communist China and deserved half of the stars it had. I could go on about priceline.com woes, but anybody reading knows that I was indeed greedy and wanted to stay at better hotels than I could afford. The only time that I complained to them was when I booked a 4 star and showed up and the hotel rated themselves a 3 star. I got nowhere and I tend to be good at this stuff. Could have complained to Chris, but figured he had better things to do. Realistically with the lack of ability to be able to cancel reservation, not knowing whether internet will be free, whether gym access will be free, and so on–the 10% you save on priceline.com over orbitz, travelocity, expedia, etc–dissipates quickly.

    And I used to be priceline.com’s biggest fan and have booked about 30 stays with them–but am now on an Europe and Asia trip and booked with both Orbitz and Priceline for different places. The Orbitz hotels have been way better as I was able to use tripadvisor, etc to check out the hotels before booking. Just reinforced my conclusion that the days of priceline.com are OVER. Realistically, it will take the average consumer years to figure this out so will shatner will be making money off those terrible commercials for a long time yet.

    About this story–the person didn’t deserve the refund. As they tend to not deserve in about 50% of the stories posted on this blog.

    all best,
    stefan

  • Susan Ford Keller

    Chris, you do a great service to people, helping them out of their travel catastrophes. But nothing is free in this life, apparently. The price your petitioners pay is being castigated for whatever you feel is their stupidity du jour. What’s up with the contempt? Tired of their neediness? Intolerant of their ignorance?

    You voluntarily hung out your shingle as a travel expert and an advocate for the travel consumer who is in dispute with a travel provider. Without these folks and their problems, you have no reason to write this column. It’s counter-intuitive to treat them so disrespectfully.

  • Mike

    Based on the information presented, it seems in this case the customer was wrong. I worry that when companies are pressured to cave when they are in the right, it will make them less likely to seriously consider legitimate requests. With consumer rights come a basic responsibility to know what you are buying and the terms of that purchase.

  • Lisa S

    @Susan Ford Keller Wow! It seems to me that you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, as the saying goes. I thought Chris was very even handed as he addressed the mistakes that Paul Cantrell’s mother-in-law made. In fact, I thought he matter-of-factly pointed out the steps she could have taken and should take in the future in order to HELP her not make the same mistake again. There was nothing disrespectful, contemptible or intolerant in his response, in my perspective. Moreover, he contacted Priceline.

    Chris provides a wonderful service, for which I am grateful. I have learned a lot on this site. Having said that, I do agree with the others above that Paul Cantrell’s mother-in-law made a mistake and should be grateful that Priceline was so accommodating.

  • Susan Ford Keller

    Lisa S,

    I really didn’t wake up on the wrong side of the bed today. Every Saturday in The Baltimore Sun, Chris’s column is right next to the Celebrity Traveler column, so I see the headline and read the problem of the day. I doubt if I would have continued reading Chris’ column after the first time if it weren’t positioned next to a column I read.

    From the very first column I read of Chris’, and in all the subsequent columns since, there is a pattern of peevishness with the people who are asking for help, evidenced by pointing out what the person should have done differently or should have done in the first place. Well, as with so many things in life, most of us don’t know exactly what it is we don’t know and that’s why we turn to experts. (“Why not investigate the neighborhood of your hotel before you book?” Maybe we assume that a travel agency wouldn’t knowingly offer a hotel in a bad neighborhood to its clientele because 1. we assume they would want us to use their service again, and 2. because when we dealt with with our local travel agents in the good old days, they used to watch out for their clients.)

    Chris is offering a service to the public voluntarily. That’s admirable. But don’t the people who write to him deserve a level of courtesy that one would expect from a skilled concierge? Chris has inserted himself into a service position, as it were, and compensated or not, doesn’t he have an obligation to be civil?

  • Christopher Elliott

    Interesting discussion we’re having. It’s great to see some new readers to the column. Welcome, all.

    As some of you know, I’ve been writing this feature since 1999, and my philosophy has remained pretty consistent: I like to shoot straight down the middle.

    If the company is wrong, I say it. If the consumer is wrong, I say it.

    I’m not a travel agent (though I recommend their services often) and my primary mission is to educate, not serve. “Service” is something the travel companies should be doing, and when they don’t, I have to get involved.

    I’ve been getting a lot of criticism from new readers in the last week about being insensitive to consumers who come to me for help. Let me address that issue briefly.

    The people who ask me for assistance know what they’re getting themselves into, because I tell them. I’ll try to help you get your refund or right some wrong, and in exchange, I get to write about your case.

    Often, the readers know they could have done something different to prevent a problem, and if they don’t, that quickly becomes apparent in the back-and-forth discussion. The final column is no surprise.

    Imagine if I glossed over people’s mistakes, and instead focused only on the company’s misdeeds? No one would learn anything from these stories. They’d just be weekly rants against corporate America.

    The column is vetted by no less than three editors before it’s published, and I’ve always tried to be tough but fair.

    Am I too tough? That’s debatable. I haven’t read anything here that would make me change my approach, though.

    But having said that, I will be the first to agree that this column is not for everyone. If what I write offends you in any way, I would recommend you stop reading it. Life is too short.

  • Stefan

    Susan, you highlight the need for Chris’ column better than he did in the above post.

    You write “Why not investigate the neighborhood of your hotel before you book?” Maybe we assume that a travel agency wouldn’t knowingly offer a hotel in a bad neighborhood to its clientele because 1. we assume they would want us to use their service again, and 2. because when we dealt with with our local travel agents in the good old days, they used to watch out for their clients”

    Those assumptions no longer apply for today’s travel agencies. Today’s travel agent is nothing more than a matching service between a consumer and service providers–with the strongest determinant of that match generally being the price point. But assuming anything about an American service provider–whether MD or travel agent is problematic. Do MDs provide services irrespective of a profit motive–is it not helpful that there is an AMA to review their actions? Well, Chris is the AMA for travel agents. Even if I don’t agree with half of the people getting refunds, I would rather some get undeserved refunds than no people do getting well deserved refunds.

    And I read his blog because I continue to learn stuff from him–and I consider myself savvy on these issues. If you have nothing to learn, which your posts clearly indicate is untrue, then just guide your eyes elsewhere after checking out where the celebs are travelling these days.

    best,
    stefan

  • Carver

    @Susan

    I think it is critically important that Chris explain to the folks exactly what they should have done. If he didn’t then he wouldn’t be providing a useful public service, i.e. educating all of us on the steps needed to protect our interests when traveling.

  • David Z

    doesn’t he have an obligation to be civil?

    I have times where I swear I’ve never sworn, tried to break a painful truth as gently as possible, and explain to (hopefully) help the consumer understand why we couldn’t help…only to receive a rather uncivil treatment.
    I’m sure there are ways to explain to a person what could’ve been done to prevent a supposed wrong, and I’ve also been told how uncivil I am for BS’ing them.

    I guess that depends how one defines civil. While I’m sure there are ways to explain something without sounding uncivil, would you rather have a maybe unpleasant yet honest truth or a juicy, sugar-coated, maybe white lie?

    Something like that. The truth hurts, yet supposedly it’ll set one free.

  • Joe Farrell

    Caveat Emptor has been replaced by Caveat Whiner – whine loud enough to the right person and voila, you get your money back. What Priceline SHOULD have done is offer to REPLACE her hotel with a hotel not in a ‘bad part of town’ and have her pay the extra money.

    Then Chris has posts who have truly been treated shabbily who get no relief because travel providers get soured on the public who lie.

    This woman deserved zip. How exactly did this discusion go . . .

    I discovered the hotel is a in a bad part of town [which means what exactly? A minority part of town? On the docks? next to the highway? In a high crime area?]

    OK ma’am – what do you want us to do?

    Well, I don’t know – maybe a refund.

    Well, the package is non-refundable

    My sister died two months ago -

    Oh, ok, well, we can use that.

    Give me a break here – this woman USED an event that predated the purchase of the package to cancel it – she deserves nothing but scorn.

    Moving on to Priceline – should they be held to a standard of fitness for intended use which include offering for sale a room that is basically safe and secure where it is not likely the person will robbed or assaulted? Sure – I would like to know how they sold and advertised and described the EXACT hotel/motel – that is key to this event – what did she think she was getting . . . . once again Chris – you need MORE information in order for all of us to make and intelligent decision. . .

  • Pplaresilly

    ^5 @ Cory J
    I totally agree.

  • Ernest

    While I applaud Chris for his efforts in helping this lady, it is one of the few times that I disagree with his actions.

    It seems to me that this the case of the victim being the online travel company. If priceline did say they would refund the money, they had an obligation to do so but cases like this are what makes it hard for people with REAL issues to get their diserved refunds.

    I guess everybody diserves a break sometime.

  • Joey

    After reading Chris’ post and then re-reading the column, I changed my opinion. Like many others, I’d wondered why he bothered helping this lady, but ultimately they promised her something and then tried to back out of that promise. That’s lousy customer service regardless what the circumstances were. It’s much better business to honor your word and train your people not to make the mistake again in the future.

    I do wonder a bit how the deceased relative came up in conversation, but I’ll give the lady full benefit and assume she innocently made some comment about wanting a nice vacation to get over all the stress. At any rate, she got her money back but had to put up with being beat up a bit both in Chris’ column and in these boards. There’s a decent chance she’ll be smarter the next time she books a trip.