Hey, that’s no four-star hotel!

Question: I recently booked a hotel in Prague through Expedia. While perusing the hotels online, I saw an advertisement for an unpublished rate hotel. I clicked the advertisement and was presented with three four-star hotels from which to choose.

Based on the amenities and price, I chose the four-star hotel that was offered for $58 a night. I paid for the three rooms and then was shown the hotel name and class.

The class was only three-star. I couldn’t believe it.

Thankfully, I made screen captures of the offer and the result. I immediately sent an email to Expedia’s customer service department, explaining what happened. It replied with a short notice saying all sales were final. I then replied that this was not an issue of wanting money back or a change, but of getting what I paid for, namely: a four-star hotel.

The next response I received was infuriating. I was told Expedia was unable to verify the change in star rating. I then responded with the screen shots. In each instance, I was told to call in to discuss the matter.

No sir, I want this on the record.

I am very unhappy at the moment. I work on Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan, and I take my vacation time very seriously. I want Expedia to either give me the four-star hotel I paid for or refund my money immediately. Can you help? — Albert Muick, Kandahar, Afghanistan

Answer: If you paid for a four-star hotel, you should have received a four-star hotel. Problem is, no one can really agree on what a four-star hotel is — or isn’t. There’s no high court of hotel stars, no international governing body. As far as I can tell, if I call something a four-star hotel, it is a four-star hotel.

But wait, you made screen shots? Nice work. You insisted on conducting your correspondence by email? Even better!

Keeping meticulous records on your grievance can ensure a fast resolution. And when it doesn’t — well, that’s where I come in.

I’m kind of surprised Expedia shot a form response back to you and then, after you replied, sent another one. Come on. Is anyone reading these emails?

You might have tried a brief, polite appeal to an Expedia executive. I list their names on my consumer advocacy wiki, On Your Side. That might — or might not — have worked.

This is a textbook case of a traveler doing almost everything right, but still unable to get a fair resolution.

I hope this is one of those rare times when Expedia just didn’t bother to carefully read your concise, well-crafted email. I say this because I haven’t had that many Expedia complaints recently, so I hope it’s an anomaly.

I contacted Expedia on your behalf. It reviewed your grievance and found that a “system error” occurred when you made your reservation. You’ve received a full refund.

(Photo: Moyan_Brenn/Flickr)

  • sirwired

    Hey, it’s not the “system error” anybody should be concerned with.  Mistakes happen.  It’s the complete and utter failure of the customer service apparatus to rectify the situation that’s the REAL problem.

  • TonyA_says

    This sounds like Expedia itself is one big systems error. Bogus ratings, lousy customer service, what else?

    Furthermore, if there is no meaningful standard behind the star ratings of hotels, then what other use can they have except to fool people?

  • TonyA_says

    This sounds like Expedia itself is one big systems error. Bogus ratings, lousy customer service, what else?

    Furthermore, if there is no meaningful standard behind the star ratings of hotels, then what other use can they have except to fool people?

  • mikegun

    So, the way I read it, the offer page said he was booking a 4 star property and the confirmation showed it as a 3 star? If so I would accept the Expedia explanation that it was a ‘system error’, but not the fact that they did not listen to the client’s complaint.

    It would be interesting to know the name of the hotel involved in order to see how their rating with an organization such as Hotelstars Union compare to Expedia’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/markmurphytravels Mark Murphy

    Use a travel agent…then you’ll have someone to fix these problems and you won’t spend a bunch of time mediating your issue

  • Raven_Altosk

    Expedia.
    Ew.’
    Nuff said.

    Glad this guy was able to get what he actually paid for instead of what Expedia tried to substitute in an effort to scam some extra cash out of the customer.

    Still, I have to laugh at how Expedia blames their total fail on a “system error.” Perhaps they meant that the system of out-sourced call centers, skeevy “deals,” and barely literate folks responding with form letters to all complaints.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Expedia.
    Ew.’
    Nuff said.

    Glad this guy was able to get what he actually paid for instead of what Expedia tried to substitute in an effort to scam some extra cash out of the customer.

    Still, I have to laugh at how Expedia blames their total fail on a “system error.” Perhaps they meant that the system of out-sourced call centers, skeevy “deals,” and barely literate folks responding with form letters to all complaints.

  • Raven_Altosk

    When my brother took one of these Afghanistan assignments (as a civilian contractor after two tours in the military), it was near impossible for him to have any sort of meaningful communication with a travel agent.

    When he went on R&R, I worked as the go-between for him with an agent I knew personally. However, the agent was only familiar with one of the places he wanted to go. 

    Realize that when you’re on one of these assignments, you really can’t come back to the US or you get screwed on taxes. So…most of these guys go to Europe, Thailand, South America, or Canada.

    Anyway, normally I would agree to “use an agent” for exotic travel, but for these guys who have limited access to phone, and operate on weird schedules, sometimes, it’s really not that easy.

  • TonyA_says

    Chris, can you please name the hotel. Since the Czech Republic hotels and restaurants are part of HOTREC then the HotelStars Union is their official  standards classification system.

    http://en.hotelstars.cz/

    Why bother to use Expedia’s or any other private rating system for countries that have standards?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEOHOFHCFC5AWC6WPMNFZRBQWY KathyJ

     He did NOT get what he paid for. He got a refund of what he paid. He still must go find what he wants.

  • Joel Wechsler

    If your brother has e-mail there should not be a problem dealing with a US based agent. I have dealt with clients in several foreign countries, entirely by e-mail, and have had no problem doing so.

  • Charlie Funk

    There is indeed a meaningful standard with which hotels must comply.

    http://en.hotelstars.cz/

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Awesome, I love it when the OP does things right.  It proves that we really need Chris because businesses are often unethical. I am glad Chris could help, but if I were the OP I would want to still pay the low rate and get a 4 star hotel because that’s what Expedia promised, sadly it usually doesn’t work out that way.
     
    The second to last time I used Expedia, I had a very similar situation.  I booked a 4-Star hotel through Expedia.  When my wife and I got there, the hotel was horrible.  I looked it up and mobile rated it as 2 star.  Not 4.  It was a pre-paid through Expedia as well.  I asked the hotel for my money back and they said no-refunds, I called Expedia with my complained and was told Expedia rated it as 4 star based on customer feedback, and that the Expedia rating has nothing to do with the actual rating.  I then called the corporate office that the hotel belonged too.  They explained it was a franchise and that that have had so many recent complaints that I should leave and they will refund me.  The corporate office was grate, followed up, and did refund me in full.  What I paid Expedia, not what Expedia paid the hotel. 
     
    I sadly used Expedia one more time after that and it was even worse, but I shared that story a few months ago on here.  I don’t use them eevr now.

  • TonyA_says

    I just want to show you (or maybe prove) how ridiculous these star ratings are. Go to Expedia and search for a 4-star hotel room in Prague. [Note I used 30MAR-1APR for mine]. Then sort the results by Most Popular. Here’s a pic of what I got.
    http://i44.tinypic.com/amps1v.jpg

    The top 3 most popular 4-stars are:
    Friday Hotel ($135), Andel’s Hotel & Suites Prague ($88), and Hotel Red Lion ($206 per night). Boy, that Andel’s hotel looks like a steal!

    Now hop over to HotelStars’ Prague’s Certified Facilities List for this year. You will see 55 hotels. None of which are the top three 4-star hotel’s in Expedia’s Most Popular list.

    http://en.hotelstars.cz/certificate/facilities?certifiedFacilitiesGrid-page=2&certifiedFacilitiesGrid-filters=r%255B0%255D%3D19&certifiedFacilitiesGrid-itemsPerPage=0

    So, I hop over to my GDS’ hotel room finder and search the same thing. I see that Andel’s Hotel ($148 for 2 nights) made it to the top of the 4-star lists. It had 366 reviews! Even a travel agent can be fooled since s/he will rely on GDS.
    http://i44.tinypic.com/9ibaqq.jpg

    What gives? Who’s rating these hotels. What’s really behind the stars? Who’s words are true? I don’t think you’ll believe me I if I tell you I look like Brad Pitt and my wife, like Angelina. Why should you believe Expedia, or me?

  • Exploration TravMag

    I have to admit, I was a little suspicious when the OP said he was getting a four-star hotel in Prague for $58 a night.  I think that would have set of warning bells before anything else.

    Does anyone know where Expedia goes for their ratings?  And why is it “always” a system error?

  • TonyA_says

    But do you think Expedia will tell you that? Will they provide a link to that site? Read my posts below and find out how a Travel Agent can himself (or herself) get fooled by these stars unless they do more research. The question is for a ~$8-9 per day commission on a room, why would a TA bother?

    Finally I don’t think hotel certification is mandatory. If a hotel chooses to certify with HotelStars Union then they will get a rating. But travelers  and travel agents still have to go to HotelStars’ website to search on their own since OTAs and GDS do not necessarily divulge their ratings.

  • Bill Norris

    Ratings are subjective, and I certainly wouldn’t call this a scam. Seriously, $58 is a pretty good price for a three star property in Prague.

  • http://dreamtravelblog.wordpress.com/ James in Phnom Penh

    Seems as if the problem isn’t with the star rating but that the system gave him something different than what he paid for. If Expedia gave him what they consider a 4 star and he disagreed, that’d be a different issue. They probably get so many complaints that their ratings are overblown that that’s what they assumed his complaint was about… I know Prague is cheaper than many other European countries, but $68 for a 4 star even seemed on the low side… Hopefully the OP was able to get one for that price. If so, kudos!

  • http://dreamtravelblog.wordpress.com/ James in Phnom Penh

    I’ve used Expedia for hotels before and scored some amazing deals (stay 4 nights and get a $150 gift card). The property (in Athens) was a Best Western and only cost $60+ a night, so with the gift card, came down to a crazy $30+. The key is to see what’s available on Expedia and then go to the hotel’s website and tripadvisor to double / triple check. Personally, I’d never go for the “mystery” hotel deals… Seems like way more people are disappointed than pleasantly surprised…

  • TonyA_says

    Most travel agents just have similar information you have. They will simply use their GDS to search a rate and then read the screen (display). Unless they are an expert in the city or location in question, they are simply bookers. Worse, unless you are a valued repeat customer, a travel agent might sell or book you in a hotel where s/he makes the MOST commission regardless of quality.

    Hotel distribution has morphed into a giant ball composed of a few aggregators. On top of the food chain is Expedia Affiliate Network and Booking dotcom (a Priceline company). In the middle you’ll find outfits like Miki of the UK and Agoda of Asia (also a Priceline company). Today, even GDS companies distribute hotel rooms of these aggregators – a clear sign of who the winner is.

    Searching for a hotel room can be very time consuming and can be more frustrating than searching for a great fare or an airline ticket. This is the part of my job I like the least.

  • TonyA_says

     I wonder what that 3 stars is based on.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X7O5ZHQHJ6DLCBCNLBK5PMIE4E kristiana

    Is it possible you’re confusing customer satisfaction rating with hotel rating?

  • DavidYoung2

    I always take the ‘star’ rating with a huge cellar of salt.  Unless it has a AAA Diamond rating or Forbes Star rating, I pretty much ignore what they have to say.  

    Look it up on Trip Advisor instead.  I know that’s not completely impartial, but it’s better than nothing.  And a lot better than their own, self-proclaimed star rating.

  • Raven_Altosk

    He tried that with one who tried to screw him. He wanted to go to Thailand and the crooked agent wanted all payment WIRED up front.

    Uh, no.

    I had a similar experience with “Conde Nast’s Belize Expert.” I don’t do business with people who want money wired instead of a credit card.

  • Carverfarrow

    But what do you do when booking with an opaque site?

  • Meebo

    I’m sorry but Mr. Muick you are a greedy fool.  A four star hotel for $58?  I don’t care where in the world it is if you see a deal that is so fantastic it can’t be true then guess what – it isn’t.  Even in the best case scenario it’s a mistake and you’ll end up getting charged the normal rate based on a typo.

  • Carverfarrow

    If the site is opaque that’s all you have to go by.

  • Meebo

    “…Come on. Is anyone reading these emails?”

    Seriously Chris.  Are yo naive enough to think that these mega web giants have people reading each and every email that comes in? 

    “…reviewed your grievance and found that a “system error” occurred when you made your reservation.”

    Almost EVERYTHING to the general line is bounced once, just as filter mechanism.  90% of people will simply give up after one unsuccessful try.

    “…so I hope it’s an anomaly.”

    Right-o.

  • Meebo

     It’s not a mistake.

  • Meebo

     LOL – Chris could fill an entire blog with complaints about TAs shrugging.  They aren’t gong to spend valuable time on this – why on Earth do you think people use the online portals?  Because almost everyone has had that experience at one time or another.

  • Meebo

     It’s called “greed.”

  • TonyA_says

     I think you are right. The system malfunction was the opaque buying system sold him a 3-star rated hotel as 4-star. He paid for a 4-star but got an Expedia rated 3 star hotel.

    I don’t think he was complaining about the accuracy of the star rating itself.

  • jim6555

    Over the years, I’ve probably booked over 100 hotel reservations on Priceline and felt that each room and property equaled or exceeded my expectations based on the number of starts shown. I therefore have concluded that Priceline’s star ratings are accurate. The one time I booked through Hotwire, I was supposed to be getting a room at a four star property in Orlando. The property deserved a solid three star stars but no more. I never went back to Hotwire for hotel rooms.

  • Steve_in_WI

    It may be, but if you’re being told that you’re booking a 4-star property, that’s irrelevant.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    I think that is too harsh. There are sometimes amazing deals available on lodging.  However, I did chuckle at this line from the letter, ”
    The class was only three-star. I couldn’t believe it.”  You live a pretty sheltered existence if something like this qualifies as unbelievable.

  • travelagentman

    Every on-line company and every hotel has their own rating service. I am the best travel agent in my area! ( Some agree and some don’t) If the traveler is moronic enough to believe the internet, than I have a beautiful building in NY called the Empire State building that I would like to sell him. Get a life and do your research first, then book. These are the weakest, most idiotic complaints that I have seen in months. Are our travelers just to dumb to understand research.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Drat.  My husband and I are planning a trip to London this fall and I wanted to find a TA to help with air AND the hotels before/after the arranged tour.  So I should stick to doing the planning myself, or relying on the sometimes questionable advice from the tour operator’s people in Redmond, WA?  Again I say, “Drat”! 

  • MarkKelling

    Been to London on what sounds like the tour you are going on if it is the same Redmond, WA company.  They gave me great advice and I ended up at a nice hotel near where the tour hotel was. Nothing fancy, but it was clean affordable and close to everything important to me and I could walk everywhere I needed.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Mark, thanks for the heads up.  Their advice was dreadful for Rome (end of our last tour) and the tour hotel was definitely not worth even the 2 stars marked on the side of the building.    But if their London advice is “spot on”, then I’ll reconsider using their recommendation.

    (Disqus is terrible when crafting replies! Maybe if Chris could complain about the smaller and smaller reply boxes, they would go a different format.)

  • bodega3

    De ja vu on hotel ratings.  When will people learn?  While Prague has lower hotel prices than many European cities, $58 a night for a 4 star, right off the bat tells you something…buyer beware.  Once booked is the Expedia rate nonrefundable?  I am working with a TO that only works with agents.  It is beating the pants of any OTA, as I have compared.  The rates are fully refundable for all but one hotel I am holding up to 3 day prior to arrival.  For the only stay it is a one month cancel policy.  I am sorry the OP got screwed, but how much research did he do before hand and why pay for a room that can’t be refunded up to a certain point before arrival.  If he is in a war zone the latter certainly makes sense.

  • Lindabator

    drop me an email if you’d like – my specialty is actually European FITs, and I make all airline, hotel and tour arrangements for my clients regularly.  lbator@cruiseholidaysmi.com.  :)

  • Lindabator

    Not necessarily true – I do European FITs all the time, and do not have any problems making hotel arrangements for my clients – and who knows – next time they may need even more assistance, and they’ll know who to use!

  • Lindabator

    True, but if they state 4 stars, it would still need to qualify for that rating, which is what i think Tony means.

  • bodega3

    Did you not look up the hotel and check on the rating before making the reservation?  I have booked thousands of hotels and NEVER had a problem for a client.  IMHO, people let their guard down when booking online.

  • Lindabator

    Know what you mean – my clients love the fact that I can actually explain WHY I like a certain hotel or not, what amenities they have, how close they are to the museum they want to visit, or a great restaurant I’d recommend, etc.  And my TO only uses agents as well – and I ‘ll bet its the same as yours – same terms and great pricing!  :) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    It specifically said “Expedia Special, 4-Star Hotel.” And had 4 stars.  This was not a customer rating.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    This was several years ago before I knew better.  Expedia said they offered the lowest rates, so I went there and booked.  Then I got burned by them twice in a row and I will NEVER use them again.

  • l2y2

    Sorry, but a 4-star hotel in Prague for $58 a night? Really? Seriously? That should have been his first clue. “If it sounds too good to be true, it is.” It’s good to live by that adage. Regardless, once the issue was brought up to Expedia and his documentation was presented, they should have backed off immediately. They should have given him a refund or upgraded him to a “real” 4-star hotel. Hopefully, he won’t make the same mistakes twice. First, assuming he could get a great hotel that cheap and second, using Expedia for any travel plans…

  • TonyA_says

    Jeanne, London is always a challenge because hotels are expensive. I just did my brother’s and his family’s air tickets for May. The hotels which we always used (around Piccadilly / Half Moon St.) were way too expensive.  So my brother booked a hotel near Bayswater instead. He is familiar with the area because his son went to school there (not too long ago).

    Just like homes, hotels are basically about location, location, location. Personally, I am willing to pay more or compromise a little on the “luxury” for a great location.

    Most tour operators (especially for cheaper tours) bundle a hotel far from the city center to keep their costs down. So if you want a hotel nearer the center, you may have to do your own search.

    Can you tell me where the tour starts and ends?

  • TonyA_says

     $58 is almost my parking fee in Manhattan for my SUV (oversize fee included). But then again, we cannot blame people for being gullible. I still want to point the finger on the vendor who misrepresented the meaning of 4 star.