Full fare for two flat tires?

Question: My family and I rented a van from Enterprise to drive to California. We were looking forward to the trip of our lives. We had planned to visit Disneyland, Universal Studios and, of course, the beach.

Our trip to California went as planned. But as we were getting ready to board our van to Disneyland the next morning, we noticed the back tire was flat. Instead of wasting time calling for help we decided to take the shuttle service to Disneyland and get help when we returned to the motel.

That afternoon, we phoned AAA roadside assistance. Someone arrived within a couple of hours, and when he looked for the spare tire, he discovered it was flat, too.

Eventually, the van had to be towed. We took a shuttle from our motel to Disneyland for the rest of our vacation, but we didn’t have the convenience of a van. We missed Universal Studios and the beach. The van wasn’t ready until the afternoon of our last day in California.

When I returned the van I was informed that I owed $865. I had to explain to the Enterprise representative on duty that I had paid $657 for repairs while in California and that they were supposed to be reimbursing me. Our vacation was ruined, and now instead of Enterprise paying us for the repairs, they’re asking us to pay them. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. — Luz Marquez, Albuquerque, NM

Answer: Flat tires happen. But yours spiraled out of control, taking part of your vacation with it. That shouldn’t have happened.

As soon as you noticed a problem with a rental vehicle, you should have called Enterprise immediately. You waited several hours and then phoned AAA roadside assistance. That would be the right move if it had been your van. But it belonged to Enterprise, and it should have made the decision about how to repair the vehicle.

In fact, Enterprise probably would have furnished you with a new van, which might have saved your vacation.

Of course, Enterprise shouldn’t have rented anyone a van with a flat spare. But even if you could have avoided a trip to the garage, you would have still needed to bring the vehicle back to an Enterprise location to have the tire fixed. You can’t drive around on a spare tire indefinitely.

The $865 bill appears to be legit. I wouldn’t assume to be able to deduct your repair bill from the final invoice. Those are two separate issues.

In reviewing the details of your grievance (which, for space reasons, were edited) I notice that you spent most of your time on the phone trying to resolve this. You had numerous phone conversations with the Enterprise location from which you rented. Picking up the phone is a good idea when you have a flat tire, but a problem like this is better resolved in person, when you return the car, or in writing (preferably by email) when you’re back home.

I contacted Enterprise, and it reimbursed you the $657 you paid to repair its van.

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  • MeanMeosh

    This fact pattern sure seems strange. $657 to fix a flat, and a fix that appears to have taken several days to boot? Seriously? Maybe the bulk of the charge is for towing, but I thought if you’re a AAA member, the annual fee includes 100 miles of free towing. I’d agree that Enterprise should have been the first call, but even if you didn’t feel like calling them, you could buy a can of Fix-a-Flat, limp down to Discount Tire, and get it replaced, probably for less than $100. The same thing happened to me on vacation once, and it took all of about 3 hours to deal with. Annoying, yes, but hardly a vacation killer. Seems like there’s more to this story than we’re getting.

  • http://www.roamingtales.com Caitlin @ Roaming Tales

    I’m interested that it was Enterprise. I’ve always had great service from Enterprise. It does sound like there was some miscommunication there. Good that it was resolved.

  • BucksterSF

    I agree with MeanMeosh – there’s something missing from this. Why worry about getting a rental fixed?!?!? Call the company, you probably would have had a replacement van within hours, or they would have fixed the flat. This seems like a little problem turned large by the clueless. You would expect a little more from someone who spent so much time planning.

  • buckstersf

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  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ MeanMeosh – “Seems like there’s more to this story than we’re getting.”
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    I agree.

    I am surprised that Enterprise didn’t give any compensation (i.e. a free day, a certificate for a future rental, etc.). I had car problems with a Budget rental and I ended up paying only $ 30 for a four day rental.

    Also, it makes sense to carry a can of Fix-a-Flat with you when traveling long distances, traveling through remote areas, etc.

  • Joe Farrell

    sounds like some tire company took serious advantage of these folks – probably charged them $200 a tire for ‘special van tires’ plus inflated prices for mounting and balancing . . .

    and why would these people call AAA? Seriously, you rent a vehicle you contact the company – what happens when the airline loses their luggage? They call Greyhound bus company?

    Are people truly this ignorant?

  • Josh

    There does seem to be more to the story than told here — I would always call the rental company first (and I believe even Entreprise has a 24×7 number to call) before calling my own AAA and paying for a tire repair, hoping to get reimbursed.

    There are also questions of who’s liable — I personally think that flat tires should be considered normal wear and tear, and replaced by the rental company, unless the car was being driven on some off-road or closed construction zone; in my experience the likelihood of random road debris causing a flat is more closely related to the condition and quality of the tires (which the rental company controls) than driving style or anything the renter could control. But I feel that way about any “normal” damage, including parking lot dings, hail/storm damage (especially when the company chooses to fix minor cosmetic damage at very high prices that I would have ignored on my personal car), so I may be in the minority.

    But even if we accept that the renter is responsible for the main flat tire, the spare being flat already (which caused the need to tow the car) is entirely Enterprise’s fault, and they should cover the towing and repairs required.

    However, it seems like the renter made a whole bunch of decisions and payments without consulting Enterprise at all (who may have had their own agency tow/do the repairs for cheaper), so they may be on the hook for it.

  • Carver

    There may be a few more items that we don’t know. A few thoughts….

    I’m assuming that the OP rented a van because a regular vehicle wouldn’t work. Perhaps there were a lot of them,

    When you rental gets a flat, of course you call the rental company. That happened to me once, But for whatever reason, the rental car company (Budget) gave me a four hour window when they would arrive. I said screw that and fixed the tire myself, so I can see why they may have called AAA afterwards.

    I once rented from Alamo (yes, my bad). We had a flat. They couldn’t fix it that day, so I did it myself. They wanted to downgrade me because they were sold out and refused to give me a credit for the smaller car. Screw that. I returned it and went to Budget.

    And tire may be expensive when bought on the road.

  • MeanMeosh

    @Carver – “And tire may be expensive when bought on the road.”

    Maybe, but it sounds from the facts presented that they were staying at a motel in Anaheim or thereabouts (I’m assuming this since the traveler said he took the shuttle to Disneyland – they must have been in the general vicinity in that case). In a big metro area like that, big box tire stores like NTB or Discount Tire, or even Wal-Mart are a dime a dozen, so it seems unlikely that prices are going to be too high in that area. It’s possible that an unscrupulous shop ripped them off, knowing that they were tourists, or that there was some other major repair that was needed upon inspection, but we don’t have all the information unfortunately to figure that part out. I just find it very odd that a new tire alone would generate a bill of $700 given the location, even with a tow.

  • Bill

    I too am surprised that the renter did not contact the owner of the van, which in this case is Enterprise. I’m sure they would have taken care of it, and if there was a charge, it would have been minimal.

    I once had two flat tires in New Orleans on a Hertz car I rented in Houston.it was my fault, actually. I called Hertz, they sent a local tow truck which picked up the car and us, where we were dropped off at their airport location. We were then given a new car. Yes, it took a couple of hours, and yes, it was a pain, but they charged me only for the tires, which was under $100 each, didn’t charge for the towing or the paperwork etc.

    It was very nice of Enterprise to refund the money. I am sure that their rental pamplet or paperwork explains exactly the number to call if you have an issue. Regrettable that the spare was flat, but again, call them and they will take care of it.

    It amazes me how people do things they shouldn’t do, and then get reimbursed for it. I’m sure Enterprise lost several hundred dollars on this whole episode – a lot more money than they would have if they were called in the first place.

  • Heather

    Actually, the types of towing available from AAA is solely dependent on the
    level of AAA coverage a person has. The BASIC will provide towing to the
    nearest AAA-member garage.

  • Carver

    @meanmosh

    You are right. I failed to notice that the flat happened at the hotel. Now I’m trying to figure out how to spend $700 in that situation. My best guess is that the OP flew into LAX and rented the van from Enterprise by the airport and had the van towed from Anaheim back to Enterprise by LAX, a good 30 miles. So probably $100. Perhaps the OP was over the limit on AAA services so they probably paid for the service call, another $50? $100? So being generous, I can see $200.

    What I also failed to notice was that the OP never actually bought a tire. So my thought about expensive tires and Joe’s thought about unscrupulous dealers doesn’t help.

    Ok, I’m stumped on this one.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    Based upon “My family and I rented a van from Enterprise to drive to California”, it seems like they drove from Albuquerque, NM to Anaheim.

    They discovered that the van had a flat tire in the parking lot of the motel on the following morning when they were going to Disney.

    I don’t understand why they didn’t call Enterprise (either the location in Albuquerue, a location in Anaheim or a national number) to report the flat tire. They could have left the key with the front desk of the motel and Enterprise could come by to fix or replace the car.

    In regards to the $657 to fix a flat tire, here are my guesses:

    1. $ 200 to replace the tire assuming that the tire was special (this includes the cost to balance, mount, road hazard warranty, disposal fee, etc).
    2. The spare tire could not be fixed so it was another $ 200 to replace it with the tire.
    3. $ 250 to tow the van

    However, if the van was a regular mini-van like a Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, Dodge Caravan, Ford Freestar, etc. I don’t see ‘special tires’

    Another guess is that they were ripped off for being a tourist or the repair shop thinking that these people will be reimbursed by the rental company.

    There could have been other repairs than fixing a flat\replacing a tire. A few months ago, I replaced the four tires on my car and it took less than a hour. I don’t see why it took at least one or more day to put on a tire on the car.

    Unfortunately, we don’t have all the information to know what actually took place.

    The bottom line is that Chris was right on with his response…they should have called Enterprise to report the problem.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Heather – “Actually, the types of towing available from AAA is solely dependent on the level of AAA coverage a person has. The BASIC will provide towing to the nearest AAA-member garage.”
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    The BASIC membership that is offered from the AZ chapter of AAA is 5 miles of free towing.

  • Charles

    Whenever you have any difficulty with a rental car, call the rental car company. Any other option is looking for trouble. Several people have suggested carrying Fix-A-Flat. If you put Fix-A-Flat in a rental car tire you have two choices: 1) tell them or 2) don’t tell them. The second option is patently immoral since Fix-A-Flat is only a temporary solution and will cause problems for a future user of the car if they don’t know about it. In either case, expect a huge bill from your rental car company. Not only must the tire be fixed, but the Fix-A-Flat gunk has to be cleaned out, which I’m sure they will charge you extra for, and many tire dealers will claim (right or wrong) that Fix-A-Flat damages the tires, requiring replacement (our tire dealer always claims that). And, it’s not the flat they are replacing the tire for, it’s the damage they will claim you caused.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Charles – “Several people have suggested carrying Fix-A-Flat.”
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    My suggestion is to use Fix-A-Flat in case of an emergency. There are spots in the West (Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, etc) where there is no cell phone service or one-bar cell phone service as well as there isn’t houses nearby or there is a gas station nearby (I have seen several signs stating “Next Service is 28 Miles”) where you can walk for help. I am talking about state highways, etc. not country roads or etc.

    What are you going to do if you have a flat and the spare is flat? Wait until someone stops?

  • Mike

    The rental company billed them for the rental and at first didn’t want to pay for repairs. Well it would be all fine and dandy about not paying for repairs IF the person had not called the rental company first. From the conversation stating “I had to explain to the Enterprise representative on duty that I had paid $657 for repairs while in California and that they were supposed to be reimbursing me.” It sounds like to me that there was some phone conversation.

    Enterprise IMHO had two choices; reimburse for the charges, or refund the rental costs. These people were without a van for a significant amount of rental time primarily because routine maintenance was not done on the vehicle. I’m talking about the spare tire. Enterprise is solely responsible for the maintenance and when someone is without a vehicle because of lack of maintenance then the people deserve to be credited for lost rental time.

  • http://www.derekoyum.com dereköy

    Thank you. This is good news

  • Greg

    I had a similar issue with Enterprise a couple months ago. I rented a car from Enterprise to drive from PA to NC. One morning in NC we had a dead battery at the Hotel. I immeditately called the 800 number for Enterprise (because it was before the local office or renting location were open) and was told that road side assistance was not included unless I had purchased their optional insurance. I had purchased the insurance because of the distance we were traveling and multiple drivers, but Enterprise had no record of it. Any issue I had would be my responsibility. So I called AAA for a jump start. It turns out the car had an electrical “issue”. So I took the car to the Enterprise office near where we were staying in Asheville and they gave me a different car.

    Upon returning the car to my local Enterprise office, I complained about the road side assitance issue and having to use my own AAA membership to get help and was given a $50.00 discount on the bill and a 10% discount on my next rental.

  • Curmudgeon

    I had a flat tire with an Enterprise rental. At least in this case, they had contracted with AAA for roadside assistance (I don’t think this was an optional extra), and in the rental agreement instructed me to contact them directly. This may be the case here.

  • Ed

    Yeah…we all agree that calling the rental company is your first point of contact when there is something wrong with the vehicle, but to add to the cluelessness of this individual, they actually thought that they were in the right by calling AAA! and contacted a travel ombudsman to rectify their cluelessness!

  • Rogamer

    I have had a few issues with equipment from Enterprise – all handled exceptionally well by the different rental locations. I had rented in Salt Lake City, was travelling between business meeting and ran over something on the interstate. I called the roadside assistance number the Enterprise rep had pointed out. They said it would be an hour or so. While waiting, a UT Roadside Assistance truck pulled up and chaged the tire for me. I called and cancelled the roadside call, called the local Enterprise shop to let them know. I did not want to drive around on the mini-spare so took it back to the agency. They put me in a new, upgraded car at no charge.
    Second case, an Enterprise GPS failed during a long rental out of Newark. I stopped by the local office, they replaced the GPS, and when I returned the car a few days later, they removed the charge for 2 days on the GPS (it was down for half a day) and gave me a card free upgrade on my next rental.