Forget this volunteer vacation — let’s go to Vegas!

Question: I am a teacher at a high school in San Francisco that has lost $5,000 to Southwest Airlines. Our 12th-grade class did fundraising all year to raise enough money for a trip to Bahia de Los Angeles in Baja, Mexico, to stay at a Marine Biology lab owned by Glendale Community College. This trip was to allow the students to perform community service at the elementary school there, and for the Sea Turtle rescue station.

We booked seats as a group and per our contract paid in full by cashier’s check for our 39 tickets. A few days later, a travel advisory was issued because of swine flu. Since these are minors on a service project, we felt we had to change our plans. Southwest would not refund our tickets, so we accepted our only alternative to fly somewhere else of equal value. This only option was Las Vegas — not really a suitable alternative.

As time passed, and the restrictions eased, we asked if we could go back to our plan of flying to San Diego where we would pick up a bus to Baja. Southwest says it would not accommodate this request. We are dumbfounded. Can you help us? — Ellie Capers, San Francisco

Answer: Since when is Las Vegas an acceptable substitute for a volunteer vacation to a marine lab in Baja? Southwest should have found a better way of accommodating your class group.

Your case raises several red flags. The first is the cashier’s check, which is pretty much the same thing as forking over cash. Wherever possible, you should be using a credit card, since it protects you in case something goes wrong (for example, the company files for bankruptcy or sells you defective merchandise).

When any travel company insists on payment in cash or as a cashier’s check, don’t walk — run.

Second, your experience isn’t consistent with Southwest Airlines’ way of doing business. At the time of your scheduled flight, Southwest didn’t fly to Mexico, but this year it plans to begin offering flights through a Mexican discount carrier called Volaris.

Southwest is usually one of the most lenient airlines when it comes to rescheduling policies. Even when there’s no imminent threat of swine flu, the airline allows passengers holding nonrefundable tickets to make changes without paying any fees, just a difference in fare, other carriers charge anywhere between $20 and $150 to change a ticket.

Given that Southwest is one of the more accommodating airlines, I have a difficult time understanding why the company would want to send a high school class of volunteers to Sin City. Maybe you were talking with the wrong person. Maybe you shouldn’t have been talking at all — a letter or an e-mail (yes, Southwest now accepts those) could have cleared this matter up. Or should have.

I contacted Southwest on your behalf. The same person who had told you there was nothing that could be done for your class phoned you back and promised to come up with what she called a “creative solution.” Southwest rebooked the class flights to San Diego, waived all fees, and even refunded the tickets for two students who decided to cancel.

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  • Chris in NC

    Chris (Elliott),

    Glad this one has a happy ending. I’m REALLY surprised at the story as well as finding out that this was Southwest Airlines. The requirement to pay by cashier’s check is strange!? Is that standard protocol for group reservations? I’m glad to hear that you helped out and everything worked out.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    I am happy that the situation was resolved in favor of the OP. However I am very much opposed to schools and universities who arrange these volunteer tours to other countries, especiallyones which are third world or slightly better. Consider the college students from Florida on a volunteer mission to Haiti which involved death. Condidering the cashier check a no no and the school’s inability ro resolve the issue very poor, I wonder about security involved in these do – good attempts. I also believe parents are very unwise to permit college and high school students to participate in these do good missions. The job of a public school is to teach academics or vocational skills not community service.

  • Mike

    What was Southwest’s explanation for its original refusal to accommodate? The fact that with pressure it relented while good does not leave me feeling comfortable. What it tried to get away with seems awful and if there is more to the story Southwest’s side should be heard.

  • Kristin

    I’m also a high school teacher who travels with students. A large number of carriers (including legacy carriers) that I’ve dealt with want schools to pay with checks since they won’t take a PO. Some schools do not have credit cards and those that do don’t have credit cards with high enough limits to purchase 20 airline tickets. So, the options are usually: buy 6 tickets on one card, 6 on another, etc or use a check. I had one carrier (US Airways) that insisted I appear in person at their ticket counter with a cashier’s check rather than doing it over the phone with a credit card. Their group reservation person said it was because the travelers were minors. That didn’t make any sense…but…okay. I did that.

    The past few years I’ve been using SWA for my student travels. They’re always good to us and don’t flinch when I have to call in and use 4 different district credit cards because none of the cards have a limit high enough for the purchase of all the tickets. They’ve also allowed name changes (important when a child is adopted two months before the trip) with no cost, and with a bunch of kids, you NEED free luggage.

    Glad SWA did the right thing. In Texas last year, UIL, our state governing body of student extra-curriculars and athletics banned all student travel during the swine flu scare. We were supposed to be at a state contest that week and fortunately our hotel was nice enough to move the reservation to the new dates set by UIL. I know a few franchises of major chains that refused rebook schools without a penalty and they have now been “blacklisted” among student organizations in the state. Pretty stupid thing to do when you’re guaranteed repeat yearly business of sell out numbers for three nights during the middle of the week in a dead season.

  • Brian C

    @barbie45 : I respectfully disagree with you regarding volunteer trips, either in our own country or others. The teacher was from San Francisco–what if they were volunteering in a soup kitchen there and the Big One struck? It’s imprudent for inexperienced volunteers to go into an already unstable situation, but you can’t live your life in fear of what *might* happen, you just have to well prepared for anything.

    Volunteer immersion experiences have been an integral part of forming who I am today. I think it’s important that kids today who get to travel see not only the Cancuns, Cozumels, and Acapulcos of the world, but also the Sowetos, Calcuttas, Mumbais, and Port-au-Princes of the world.

    Kudos to Southwest for eventually doing the right thing. I don’t know the particulars of the situation, but I doubt a “creative solution” was necessary.

  • Lisa S

    I second Brian’s comments. I believe international experiences to developing countries are imperative for US youth to gain a better understanding of the rest of the world and to open up their minds to how people outside the US perceive the US and why. And, of course, how cool is it to go to Baja, study biology and its application to turtles?! Seems to me that is one experience guaranteed to increase students’ interest in biology.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Public schools are funded by taxpayers. Many of them are frustrated by the lack of their children’s ability to read, write, and perform math. That is the main objective of public education. Sure athletic trips, student exchanges are an invaluable experience for students. Public education is now being forced to do services which could be done by churches and other social agencies not public schools. We have ROTC programs which teach discipline and cititizenship, There is no need to send our youth into hell holes and risk their safety. As for inner-city children they live in slums and need not see another one. Reading how this operation had problems with just the transportation, I wonder how competent they were. Remember if anything happens to one of these students there are going to be liability problems. Let us focus on teaching basicskills both academic and vocational. Let us not subject our kids to third world hell holes. Iam sure this program could have been done in the states.

  • Kathyj

    “Our 12th-grade class did fundraising all year to raise enough money for a trip…”

    This trip was funded by donations, not taxes.

  • Kevin

    @ Barbie,
    You should probably read the article a little closer before giving unfounded opinions of the way things are. This trip was funded by Fundraising, Similar to many Band Trips and things like that. Essentially, this group of students was doing this outside the public education system. This was not “required” as you can see a few of the students cancelled. This was simply a group of people, who all happen to be students together, going to another country to help out.
    While I do agree that there is a safety concern, but the same thing could be said with travelling to any country. Given the United States’ attitude on Gun Control, why would anyone ever think it’s a good idea to travel here?
    By the way, the main point of our education system is NOT to Read, Write, and perform Math. That may be true in grades K-4, but after that it’s about preparing them for the real world and teaching them to actually THINK. It’s about getting them ready to be a functioning part of society, which includes getting them as much experience as possible with Real World things….
    About the only thing I agree with in either of your posts is that this sort of service COULD have been done in the US. There are parts of our country that could be termed “Third World” by some people’s standards. BUT, we are the United States. We are always going to be helping other countries. I would much rather have volenteers helping out in other countries then us spending our taxes doing the same work…

  • Todd

    Barbie – werent you banned from this forum? You seem pretty uneducated yourself… who are you to dictate what public schools are for?

  • Thalassa

    Chris, I’m a bit confused. Was there a third party involved? You said Southwest didn’t even fly to Mexico at the time the trip had been scheduled.

  • Melissa

    @Barbie… Really? Hellhole? (Yes, it’s one word). A Marine Biology lab owned by Glendale Community College… really, that sounds like a hellhole to you? Have you been to the marine site? Or do you, in your superior way, assume that because it’s in Mexico, where all those Mexicans live, it must by definition be a dangerous pit of crime and poverty? As a former HS teacher, I can only hope that you don’t have children to pass on your ridiculous, xenophobic, self-centered ideas to. It’s obvious there’s no danger that you’ll be participating in any “do-good” activities, and that’s a shame, because it’s a lot more important to building character than encasing children in a cocoon of safe suburban self-indulgence. And your comment, “As for inner-city children they live in slums and need not see another one.”… Wow… just….wow.

  • Kevin M

    OK – re-read time here fora few folks. Although it’s not broadly obvious, the ending of the post explains – the original plan was to fly on Southwest to San Diego (which, for the geographically challenged, sits on the US/Mexico border directly above the state of Mexico called “Baja”, on the Baja California peninsula), and DRIVE via bus to Bahia de Los Angeles – just south of the Mexican border. At no point, as far as I can tell, was Southwest being asked to fly the students into Mexico; it’s just that the school/teachers/parents/kids/whoever decided, during the swine flu scare, to cancel going on the trip.

    (Seems to me that if the fear was going into Mexico, they could still have gone to San Diego and done volunteer work in some of the border communities on OUR side of the border, but that might not have seemed glamorous enough for them.)

    Nonetheless, if the students weren’t to go to Mexico, I don’t know what else the school could have expected Southwest to do. They don’t fly close to the borders of any other country except Canada, which seems an unlikely candidate for US students to aid. As Chris said, I’m sure they’d have been happy to reschedule the students on other flights for (if anything) the difference in airfare, but let’s face it – how many flights are going to have 39 seats open during whatever window of travel the school could use?

    I’m glad Southwest was able to help the students, but really, this is the sort of thing the school should be using a travel agent for.

  • Carver

    @Kevin M

    Surprising, I am going to agree with you about using a TA. The school should probably have used a travel agent accustomed to dealing with school age travelers. Flying then traveling by bus, with nearly 40 children, to an international destination, seems like a job for a TA.

  • LeeAnne

    I just noticed that we have yet another thread besmirched by the infamous barbie45. Not that any of her comments surprise me anymore. This one, however, has made me mad.

    @Todd – sadly, Chris decided against banning her…a decision I don’t really understand, and with which I strongly disagree. The fact is that this is usually a very intelligent comments section, especially when you compare it to other similar sites that have open comments forums. Unfortunately, barbie’s drek appears all to frequently, adds nothing of value to the discussion, and usually serves only to create bad feelings and irritation among the regular participants of this blog…when they make any sense at all.

    @Melissa – it’s pretty obvious that barbie has no children. This is the person who included “breastfeeding” as one of the things that people do on planes that she dislikes the most – as if mothers of breastfeeding infants are supposed to starve their babies for the duration of flights to avoid exposing her to :::gasp::: a human breast. She has also posted numerous comments suggesting that parents shouldn’t even bring their kids on planes – at least not when SHE’S on one! Her anti-parent and anti-children posts on this blog are legendary. Not to mention her racist posts…and here is yet another one. To assume that anything in Mexico has got to be a third-world hellhole shows yet another level of her epic ignorance and racist leanings.

    @barbie45 – I try to ignore you, but as a parent I am truly sick and tired of your ignorant, hateful posts. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about when it comes to schools – and why should you, when you have no children? Why do you even bother interjecting your “opinion” on a topic that you know nothing about? Not only that, but as others have pointed out, you obviously didn’t even bother to read the article, which made it clear that the funding for this trip was provided by the students themselves, NOT taxpayers.

    Who are you to “oppose” kids who are willing to do the work necessary to expand their knowledge, along with their selfless teachers who want to help them learn, grow and develop by experiencing things outside of their own communities? Leave those decisions to parents, dear…we’re the ones who get to decide what our kids do, NOT you. In fact I wouldn’t want you anywhere NEAR my kids…who, by the way, are both currently working to raise funds for volunteer trips with their classes. I’m extremely proud of them for this, and can’t wait to see how much they gain from their upcoming trips.

    And where do you come off suggesting that any place they visit in Mexico will be a “slum”? Your comments make absolutely zero sense.

    Can’t you please find a blog where you’ll fit in? There’s got to be a blog out there somewhere populated with people like you, where your offensive opinions and comments won’t bother anyone. And when you find it, please let us know where it is, so we’ll know to stay away. Thanks.

  • Jack Bauer

    Yet another blog post hijacked by Chris Elliott-tacitly-sponsored-borderline-racist-troll-with-nothing-better-to-do, barb45! Yet MY posts tend to NOT appear….

  • LeeAnne

    Jack, I see nothing “borderline” about barbie’s racism. Nor her anti-family leanings. I think it’s all pretty front and center. WHY won’t he ban her??

    Fortunately, most of her posts are relatively inoffensive…primarily because they’re essentially unreadable. They use English words, but they have no discernable meaning! Or, they are rants about something completely unrelated to the topic that is being discussed – such as her blathering on about Congress and bad travel agents and trips to Turkey in the thread about the early-arriving wedding guest at the Marriott.

    But her posts in this thread disturbed me…not only because of her ignorance and xenophobia about Mexico, but even more so, her obvious disdain for what she calls “do good missions”. She is the first person I’ve ever encountered who openly “opposes” young people doing charitible volunteer work to help the less-fortunate! Who “opposes” that?? As a proud parent with two kids who are currently involved in such “do good missions”, I find her to be repugnant. Like I said earlier, I wouldn’t want her anywhere near my kids…I wouldn’t want her to infect them with her brand of selfish, intolerant contemptousness.

    And then there’s her absurd ranting about what schools should focus on. This is a woman who clearly hates children! Who is SHE to be saying what schools should do at all?

    Honestly, I have no idea why she feels compelled to post on this site. All she does is piss people off.

    Meanwhile, Jack, how are things going at CTU? ;-)

  • Jack Bauer

    Rumor has it, it’s our last season….maybe I’ll find a job as a travel ombudsman!

    LOL

  • Christopher Elliott

    I’m a big fan of your show, @Jack. I think you’d make a great ombudsman.

  • LeeAnne

    OH YES! Can you imagine the tactics Jack would use? Picture the poor hapless Expedia employee, as Jack snaps alligator clips onto his toes and begins sending thousands of volts of electricity through his body as he hangs by handcuffs from the ceiling. “OKAY! OKAY! I’ll give him the lower rate!”

    Christopher, you might have some serious competition here. On the plus side, I think with Jack Bauer out there doing his thing in his inimitable style, you might recieve fewer complaints that YOU are “abusing your power”!

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Kevin, I respectfully disagree with you. We have a federal lawcalled No child left behind. In order to implement this legislation many states have resorted to students graduation being contingent on their passing the test. Many schools are compelled to have their teachers teach to the test. An excellent example would be Florida with very strong emphasis on FCAS. Many programs have unfortunately been cut in order to comply with the law.Kevin M I agree with you that this project could have been completed on our side of the border.

  • AlecM

    @Kristin – I am a little surprised no one else commented – but I very much appreciated your front line take on the story. It looks like there still are times that for one reason or another a credit card can’t be used for bureaucratic reasons.