What to expect if you’re expecting to cruise

Bryan and Fola Nelson were excited about their upcoming five-night Bahamas cruise on the Carnival Fascination. It was to be their last vacation before the birth of their first child.

Then, not long before their scheduled departure, Carnival delivered some bad news: Not only would Fola Nelson be denied boarding, but the cruise line would also pocket her entire fare, minus port taxes.

Why? Because like many other cruise lines, Carnival bans passengers who are 25 weeks or more pregnant.

“My wife will be 10 days over that,” says Bryan Nelson, a teacher in Minneapolis. “And despite her doctor’s okay, the cruise line is sticking to its policy.”

Cruise lines’ rules on pregnancy are a common source of complaints from travelers. But like so many other cruise industry policies, this one wasn’t always a hard-and-fast rule. Had Nelson become pregnant a decade ago, the company probably would have let her reschedule her trip at a minimal cost.

Not today. And the change is something that her cruise line seems happy to let the world know about.

Carnival’s policy allows pregnant women to sail only through the 24th week of pregnancy. Every passenger who is expecting must show a physician’s letter verifying that mother and baby are in good health and fit to travel. The letter must also include the estimated date of delivery. “Carnival’s pregnancy guidelines are put in place as a precaution to protect the unborn baby and the mother,” says Aly Bello, a spokeswoman for the cruise line.

That makes sense. Cruise ships offer reasonable emergency medical facilities for guests and crew members. But prenatal and early infant care can require specialized diagnostic facilities or treatment that might not be available on a ship or in the closest port of call.

Even with the rules in place, complications can arise. This month, a 31-year-old passenger was airlifted from the Disney Magic, 180 miles off the Texas coast, because of medical problems related to her pregnancy.

Other companies have virtually identical policies. Norwegian Cruise Lines refuses to admit passengers past the 24-week mark. So does Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines. “This decision is made because of the unique nature of a cruise ship being at sea for extended periods of time and the possibility of a guest’s medical condition becoming critical during those times at sea,” says Royal Caribbean spokeswoman Cynthia Martinez.

But not every pregnancy is planned, and cruises are often booked months in advance. You’d expect cruise lines to help passengers who get pregnant in the months between the booking and sailing dates, particularly if the company can re-sell the cabin to another customer.

But Carnival turned down requests from both the Nelsons and their travel agent to waive its rules. Bello noted that the Nelsons should have bought the travel insurance that Carnival offered. If they had, they would have received a 75 percent future cruise credit.

That’s becoming an increasingly common response. Cruise lines appear eager to make a public example of customers who didn’t buy travel insurance. The reason? Travel protection now accounts for a significant portion of their profits, and bending a rule would effectively undermine the business model.

“I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the cruise lines to adopt pregnancy policies, particularly given the limited nature of the medical facilities on cruise ships and the absence of doctors who are experienced in obstetrics and gynecology,” says James Walker, a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., attorney specializing in maritime law. “The problem arises when there is a good-faith misunderstanding by the pregnant passenger, and the cruise line takes a rigid attitude and pockets the consumer’s money.”

The Nelsons say that they’re troubled by the way their situation was handled. Neither their travel agency nor Carnival bothered to disclose the pregnancy restrictions in a clear way before they booked, they say. “We reviewed cruise tickets from our travel agency and found nothing about pregnancy,” says Bryan Nelson.

I asked that agency, Orlando-based Cruise Vacation Outlet, what it tells its customers. Todd Elliott, the president, said that the agency directs all clients to complete an online check-in to review any terms and conditions. The agency’s welcome letter to new customers also directs them to the terms and conditions, which contain information about a cruise line’s pregnancy restrictions.

In an e-mail to the Nelsons, their travel agent, Jay Garcia, bottom-lined it: “We are not responsible for unforeseen circumstances that are beyond our control.”

Nelson is not entirely satisfied with that response. He says that the welcome letter refers only to visa and passport requirements and that he was never told to review the terms and conditions on the cruise line’s Web site. His wife’s pregnancy was flagged a few weeks before the cruise, when they tried to check in online.

Even if they’d booked their cruise using Carnival’s Web site, they would have had to wade through four screens of information before reaching the details about cruising and pregnancy. It’s something they could have easily missed.

As someone who once had to postpone a family cruise because of the 24-week rule, I’m sympathetic to Nelson’s problem. I don’t think it’s right for him to lose his entire cruise. No one is arguing that the cruise line policy on pregnancy is wrong. But waiving a rule for a borderline case such as the Nelsons’ wouldn’t affect Carnival’s stock price, and it would go a long way toward creating loyal repeat customers.

At any rate, making an example of the Nelsons seems insensitive and opportunistic — even if Carnival’s contract allows it.

Should cruise lines waive their change rules for passengers who get pregnant?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kristiana.lee Kristiana Lee

    I’m not a physician but I had 2 premature babies. Viability begins at 24-25 weeks. If a woman delivers at that time, the baby could make it but only with immediate medical intervention which cruise ships just can’t provide. So not having the baby in a hospital ready to handle that changes the outcome completely. Delivering a baby prior to that 24-25 week mark is an utter heartbreak for the parents but the final outcome of having that happen on a cruise ship or a hospital is not that different because the baby wouldn’t have made it anyway.

  • TonyA_says
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Gore/100000957978287 Alan Gore

    We have just gone through one of those cycles of great interest in cruising. It became faddish, and everyone wanted to take a cruise. In this hot-market atmosphere, the less reputable operators rush to take advantage of the less informed.

    The cruising fad prompted building of a number of new ships, many of them very large in size. Now that the market is getting saturated
    the marginal operators will start to drop off – in this case, leaving how many poor suckers hanging?

  • Annette

    I found it within 20 seconds. Went to the website, typed in “Pregnancy”, got a link that said “Minor and Pregnancy Policy”. How is that hard to find?

  • Annette

    To me this entire thing is just ridiculous actually. It’s not like she just woke up one morning and discovered she was 20 weeks pregnant and then tried to cancel.

    - If they’re beyond the point where they can get a refund then it means that they’re cancelling in less than 60 days, because according to their website up to 61 days prior to departure for a 5 day cruise there’s no cancellation policy.

    - If she’s going to be 10 days over the 24 week cutoff, and if they tried to cancel say on the moment the booking became nonrefundable, then she was 125 days into her pregnancy at that point or almost 17 weeks along.

    - They apparently booked the cruise BEFORE she became pregnant, even if they didn’t know she was pregnant for the first 2 months that still leaves 9 whole weeks that they could have cancelled the cruise in and NOT had to lose any of their money for it. 9 weeks that they could have gone to the website and typed “pregnancy” into the search bar and found out in less than 20 seconds that she’d not be able to board the ship.

    - I’ve never seen ANY agency booking contract that spells out and includes ALL the rules for the airlines or cruise lines or hotels. They do however put in something about checking the airline’s/cruise line’s terms and policies. It’s just common sense to know that you’re bound by the rules of the company that you’re travelling wth. And if the couple had contacted their agent as soon as they found out about the pregnancy – or at least in those 9 weeks they had before the cancellation deadline – to say “hey is this going to be an issue” then they would have had a refund.

    I don’t like Carnival, but you can’t blame them in this case.

  • TonyA_says

    They will just move to Asia where there are a lot of new travelers (new suckers).

  • Charlie

    I am really bothered by Carnival’s action. The OP didn’t cancel, Carnival denied them. And then they keep the money? To me, that sounds and feels like thievery.

  • bodega3

    I think you are looking at this incorrectly. The OP and his wife have to read the terms and conditions BEFORE making a payment.
    I don’t see noted how they booked the cruise. Yes, there is a mention of an agent, but that agent could have come into this after the OP booked this online so this would be helpful to know. I alway refer clients to any TO or cruise line’s T & C’s and most require either the client or me to mark that the T & C’s have been read.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    It’s readable in Google Translate. Nice picture with his Twitter profile – looks like the gentleman (not giving away his Anglicized name) achieved a lifelong dream.

  • llandyw

    I voted no because everyone should always seek out all available information regarding restrictions, refunds, etc., before booking anything, and that doesn’t mean just cruises. There’s so many “gotcha”‘s in the travel industry from airlines to hotels to rental cars to cruises that it’s just the prudent thing to do.

  • bodega3

    This is silly IMHO as most cruise lines have similar restrictions so I guess you won’t leave home.

  • bodega3

    Unless they purchased an advance, nonrefundable cruise fare, which are out there, most cruise fares are refundable in full up until final payment, which is 60 days out. If they purchased the former, then they have themselves to blame. If they purchased the latter, they had plenty of time to cancel for a full refund. No knowing/readikng the T & C’s BEFORE booking is their fault.

  • bodega3

    They don’t want to ‘screw’ people. Why didn’t the OP and his wife read the T & C’s BEFORE making the purchase. Or did they think this didn’t apply to them and that writing and complaining would help if something came up? Tony, you are in the business and know people lie through their teeth to try and get their money back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/slynn.hastings S Lynn Hastings

    If she just never claimed she was prego could she have went to board and when they saw the situation just denied her boarding and she could have obtained a refund (as if she had norvo-virus)?

  • Carrie Charney

    Why not? It’s public, just like yours would be transliterated into Hebrew.

  • Carrie Charney

    If medical emergencies occur up in the air, airplanes can usually make it to land far more quickly than a cruise ship can.

  • lost_in_travel

    Not hard at all if one were thinking that pregnancy is a problem, but next to impossible if one simply continues living normally and not thinking that a pregnancy creates a problem.

    I saw nothing until I typed into search that even hinted there was a question.

  • Carrie Charney

    Aw, come on. I leave home a lot, but only hop a boat if it’s the only way to my destination, such as expedition on ships. There’s a whole planet to see without cruising.

  • Carrie Charney

    Make that, “on expedition ships.” I used to be able to edit my typos.

  • Mindy

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=carnival+and+pregnancy

    3 seconds in google. No wading through pages of legalese as described by Chris. Sorry, easily could’ve cancelled for a full refund in PLENTY of time.

  • Mindy

    I don’t get this. I booked with Carnival for my babymoon over 5 YEARS ago and the information was easily available on their website then. It is now. Why can’t people find it?? Boggles my mind.

  • JenniferFinger

    That was exactly my point, Icarus! Travel is iffy for a pregnant woman whether or not she has a doctor’s note, so the cruise decided on a policy that they’re not going to chance it. That’s totally reasonable. But if the cruise was booked before she became pregnant, and they’re not going to let her sail, then they should refund her money. Period. If they want to make money on their cabins, it should be strictly on whether or not someone is actually staying in it on a cruise. They should not jerk someone around who originally booked when they could cruise, not deny them the cabin and then their funds back.

  • JenniferFinger

    It’s in the Hebrew alphabet.

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    For all you saying this isn’t clearly in Carnival’s TOS, try this Google Search: “Carnival Cruise Pregnancy”and the FIRST result is:

    http://www.carnival.com/CMS/Static_Templates/EMB_minor_pregnancy_policy.aspx

    Not sure the policy could be any clearer.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Now, where would the fun be in giving it away? :)

  • sirwired

    Most cruise-line-sold policies offer a 75-100% “Any Reason” cancellation penalty waiver. Some (HAL) offer cash, most offer cruise credit. And it means just that: Any Reason. It covers anything you wish it to cover.

  • sirwired

    You are missing the available insurance plans, most of which have (or offer) the ability to waive most, or all, cancellation penalties via cash or cruise credit, depending on policy.

  • TonyA_says

    I am using an Android tablet which I believe has Chrome as the native browser. The translate feature does not work for me so I guess that is why I can’t read his name. When I clicked the characters it gave me a twitter account in English.

  • sirwired

    The fact that her agent failed to inform her of the restriction is hardly Carnival’s fault. Calling this “theft” is a bit broad.

  • sirwired

    How not refunding a non-refundable booking “stealing”? As long as everybody involved knows what they are getting into, I don’t see any theft going on.

    They haven’t stolen anything; the providers KNOW that some people will cancel and not receive refunds (with the provider pocketing the money), and this is why non-refundable bookings cost less. Pre-paid hotel stays are cheaper than cancellable ones, same thing with rental cars or non-refundable airline tickets.

    Both sides win: The customer gets a cheaper trip, and the provider gets guaranteed revenue.

  • TonyA_says

    Well an extra insurance policy is not a fare and it does not make a fare refundable. It might pay for the loses due to a non refundable fare but the fare is still non refundable. However most insurance policies have pregnancy as an a exclusion.

  • sirwired

    If you open the Carnival Cruise contract (which the agent SHOULD have provided to the customers), section 5: FITNESS TO TRAVEL, SPECIAL NEEDS, PREGNANCY, INFANTS, DRINKING, DISEMBARKATION

    Even skimming the contract would have suggested that pregnancy might be a problem.

  • sirwired

    I was thinking the same thing; a plane over the middle of the Pacific might be 5 hours from land; a ship might be a DAY from land.

  • TonyA_says

    Carnival has this :
    In addition, should you or your traveling companion need to cancel your cruise for “any other reason”, you may be eligible for cruise credits up to 75% of the non-refundable, prepaid cruise vacation cost. Brought to you by Carnival Cruise Lines*.

    It does not refund.

  • sirwired

    An Any Reason rider will.

  • sirwired

    No major line would have boarded her, and no line would have provided a refund.

  • sirwired

    If it makes the trip refundable, I think the fact that it’s not part of the “fare” is a distinction without a difference.

    And most 1st-party cruise policies these days have decent Any Reason riders, making any pregnancy exclusions moot.

  • sirwired

    Which is what I said:
    “Some (HAL) offer cash, most offer cruise credit.”

  • TonyA_says

    About 99.99% of my clients do not read the rules. Anyone selling travel knows something similar. But even the most careless traveler deserves some fairness. I don’t think the pregnant lady was trying to wiggle out of the contract. It was the cruiseline prohibiting her to cruise.

    Using the airlines as an example. I believe they will refund your ticket if they deny you boarding. So why don’t cruiselines do the same? The article says they tried to resolve the issue weeks prior. Isn’t that enough time for the cruiseline to resell the room? I believe that losing all your money just because you are pregnant and not allowed to sail is way too unfair a penalty. Why not allow a re-do when the mother is able?

    I do not question the right of the cruiseline to limit their risk and prohibit pregnant women from cruising. What I question is why they get to confiscate the money.

  • TonyA_says

    That travel protection will not REFUND your money. INSURANCE means reimbursement for loss. That is a big difference.

  • TonyA_says

    Trips get cheaper due to supply and demand or competition. Suppliers will pocket as much money as they can including all the fees they can grab. None are benevolent. Don’t kid yourself.

  • Annette

    Pregnancy is a medical condition. Someone’s who’s pregnant should be checking things like “can I fly” and “can I do X activities at my destination” and “can I go on the rides at WDW”. At least that’s what a responsible person would do. Just like a diabetic should be checking things like “does my destination hotel have a fridge in the room for my insulin” instead of arriving and finding there isn’t one and having a fit. Just like someone who uses oxygen should thinking ahead and not just arrive at the airport assuming they’ll be able to use it on the plane. If you have a medical condition then it’s YOUR responsibility to see what needs to be done to accommodate it.

  • TonyA_says

    I do not think the policy is NOT clear. Some people are questioning its fairness.

  • bodega3

    I understand your point and yes, the cruise line could let them sail later, but at the same time, these passengers needed to have read the T & C BEFORE paying for the cruise. The husband said that the doctor’s letter didn’t get them anywhere with the cruise. Well if he had read the T & C, it clearly states that doctor’s letter won’t help on the cruise line’s policy. How much clearly can this get? What if the cruise line couldn’t have sold that cabin at the last minute? They would be out that cruise cost plus letting the passengers on another one. I don’t know why people think a business should bend their rules when the rules are available and very clear so customers can make good decisions BEFORE making a commitment.

  • Joe Farrell

    like I said – a cruiser has NO CHOICE – there are no non-refundable fares – you buy it -you own it. At least hotel, car rental and airline purchasers can buy a refundable rate. Why does ANYONE cruise?

  • TonyA_says

    It must have to do with insurance. My wife was about 8 months pregnant when she and I drove a stick shift station wagon across the country when we moved to Sacramento. We did not see anything wrong in doing it. Her doctor okayed it and so did her dad who was a doctor who delivered many babies. I suppose cruising is a lot less stressful than driving and crossing Death Valley.

  • bodega3

    Exactly! All travel arrangements has terms and conditions so this couple should have checked everything out. They need to own up to not taking due diligence regarding her condition and any restriction by the cruise line.

  • TonyA_says

    I think they said they used a TA and was not told about this potential problem.

    One thing pregnant women will realize with this case, is how UNFRIENDLY cruise lines can be to them. When my wife and I took lamaze classes, we thought we get through everything. We would never have thought a lazy cruise could hurt the unborn baby who was floating in water (already).

  • TonyA_says

    Looks like it but I need to ask my older brother since he reads Hebrew.

  • http://ourjourneytothesea.com

    This raises the ultimate dilemma! To buy travel insurance or not?? Such a tough one. Having travelled a lot I feel like my money has been wasted… But in the end, if I have to make one claim worth a few thousand dollars, I end up even on all the premiums I’ve paid. What is the better option? I think companies should have a bit more responsibility in this regard. I bet the cruise line re-sold the cabin and re-pocketed the full fare all over again.