Hotels try to kick the smoking habit

After President Obama’s negative comments about Sin City and his subsequent mea culpa (“I love Vegas — always have!”), I realize that this might not be the most prudent way to start a column. But how do you fire up a discussion about smoking in hotels without mentioning America’s capital of secondhand smoke?

Azita Arvani recently returned from a trade show in Las Vegas, where she requested a nonsmoking room at her resort. It didn’t matter.

“Smoke came in through the central air conditioning units,” said Arvani, a Los Angeles technology consultant. “I usually don’t have any problems with hotels and smoking. Except when I go to Las Vegas.”

That makes two of us. I’ve never been to Nevada’s largest city without spending at least a few moments of every day gasping for fresh air.

And that includes my last visit in January, when I couldn’t escape the cloud of carcinogens that seemed to follow me almost everywhere I went.

There’s good news for nonsmoking hotel guests: The scales are about to tip in your favor this summer when Wisconsin’s Act 12 takes effect, and the Badger State becomes the first in the nation to ban smoking in all hotels. Wisconsin joins a long list of other states that have, to one degree or another, limited hotel guests’ lighting up. In fact, only 13 states have no smoking restrictions, according to Ryan Patrick, an analyst at MayaTech Corp. in Silver Spring who tracks state legislation for various public buildings, including hotels.

“Many hotel chains have also banned smoking at their hotels voluntarily,” he said. Among them are Westin Hotels & Resorts, which became the first smoke-free brand in early 2006. Marriott followed later that year, and Sheraton Hotels & Resorts put up the “no smoking” signs in 2008.

Not everyone is happy with the limits. Some hotel owners, for example, believe that going smoke-free might hurt business. The Wisconsin Innkeepers Association, a trade group for the state’s hotels, is trying to amend Act 12 to allow hotels to designate up to a quarter of their rooms as smoking.

“Customers are asking for smoking rooms,” said Trisha Pugal, the association’s president. “We’re afraid if there are no smoking rooms, they’ll go over to another state or they will smoke in the rooms, anyway.”

Guests who smoke aren’t likely to be pleased, either. “With any rule or regulation, someone will find a way around it,” said Derek McElroy, the general manager for the Doubletree Hotel Boise Riverside in Boise, Idaho.

Here’s how smokers circumvent the rules: After checking in, they light up in their rooms and flush the evidence down the toilet. Then they phone the front desk to complain about the odor of cigarette smoke, and when an employee offers to move them, they decline, saying they’ve already unpacked.

“However, the guest has just established that it was a previous guest who smoked in the room — not they — and any chance of charging the smoking fee has gone out the window,” McElroy told me. “And God save the poor desk clerk who goes back in the records to back-charge the previous guest who stayed in that room.”

Nonsmoking guests in adjoining quarters don’t have a lot of options when they’re hit with noxious fumes, even with the new laws, said Kathleen Dachille, director of the Legal Resource Center for Tobacco Regulation, Litigation and Advocacy at the University of Maryland School of Law. Your best bet is to complain immediately.

Typically, a hotel will offer to move you to another room or, if the property is full, send you to another hotel without charging you extra, a process known as “walking” in the hotel industry. “If none of these remedies work, you send a letter to corporate and they’ll send you a voucher for a free room,” Dachille added.

Given the new rules, can an aggrieved guest find relief in court? Not really, Dachille said. You might have a claim under the Americans With Disabilities Act, involving so-called “third-hand” smoke, or smoke residue left on surfaces and objects even after a cigarette has been extinguished. But it would be a tough fight and probably not worth the effort, she said.

Still, on balance, more hotels than ever are in the nonsmoking camp today.

“Smokers are a dying breed,” said Travis Johnson, who manages the Morgan hotel in San Simeon, Calif., and who notes that cigarettes can be an expensive habit for the unfortunate traveler with a nicotine addiction. If guests at the Morgan are caught lighting up, they’re charged a $150 cleaning fee.

I, for one, am breathing easier now that smoking in hotels is on its way out. I’ve lost count of the number of smoking rooms I’ve stayed in. The odor of stale cigarettes takes weeks to wash out of my clothes. I don’t begrudge smokers their right to puff away — just please, not in the bed I’m about to sleep in.

Turns out that even some Las Vegas resorts are sensitive to their image and are doing everything they can — short of banning cigarettes — to ensure that nonsmoking guests don’t have to breathe lungfuls of toxic air.

The hotel I stayed in, the upscale Aria Resort & Casino in the gleaming new CityCenter, reportedly has a special ventilation system that’s designed to keep cigarette smoke away from blackjack dealers.

I’d call that a winning hand.

  • Bill

    Enforcement of smoking rules at hotels is a joke. There’s something else that the smokers do too, Chris – they put a “no maid service” sign up so that the maids don’t come in and smell the smoke. However, as we both know, even when their is smoke billowing out of a room, and three people check it out and smell it, including the hotel employee sent to do so, the Marriott RI front desk staff still writes “unverified” and they do little or nothing about it.

    The paltry $150 or $250 “fine” means nothing to someone who is staying in a hotel for a week. Adding that fee to the $1000 or $2000 hotel bill is just a cost of doing business to them, and if it takes that little money to make it a smoking room for them, then they are generally just fine with it.

    The problem with this is that there is then no specific smoking section, either official or unofficial, and you can see a room with smoke in it anywhere. When a hotel has a smoking section, at least the smokers are in that section and the rest of the hotel is non smoking.

    Am I advocating having smoking rooms? No. What I am saying is that we need legislation and enforcement with teeth. The only ones who have successfully dealt with the smoking issue are they airlines, and that is because the plane is landed and the person smoking is led off the plane in handcuffs, then subsequently charged with an offence.

    Maybe people think that smoking where you are not supposed to is just some inconvenience, but it is poisoning the air and in many cases, it is a crime. It needs to be treated as such.

    The cooperative smokers who go where they are supposed to are already doing it. It is only the hard core rebels who are lighting up like this and they need to be dealt a firmer hand. It seems that lighting up in a Marriott, from what I can see, will only end up in you and the rooms around you having a note slipped under your door. As if the smoker doesn’t already know the place is non smoking!

    This Marriott Residence Inn is very likely to lose THOUSANDS of dollars over not enforcing this rule. I have stayed in it at various times since the place was built, which is over ten years, and if that is how I get treated by them, I will definitely be at another property. Of course, they won’t miss it because they are always full…it is just extremely frustrating to say the least.

    As for Las Vegas, hotels should be unable to get an AAA five diamond rating unless they offer reserveable non smoking rooms that are away from the smoke. Furthermore, convention organizers should insist that non smokers be accommodated before booking a conference in that city.

    Las Vegas does not enforce what little smoking regulation they have, it is pathetic.

  • Jim_J

    Unlike other cities where it is difficult to find a room that allows smoking, the opposite is true in Las Vegas. I don’t know of a hotel there that bans smoking. Sure, they will give you a non-smoking room, but, at most properties, you have to walk through the casino to get from the elevator to the exit. Casinos reek of smoke. Even the best ventilation systems can’t get rid of the odor. When I gamble, I try to find a seat at a non-smoking table. That provides some relief but the odor of smoke is still in the air. I predict that if a major casino in LV were to totally ban smoking, they wouldn’t have to be concerned about their occupancy rate.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Funny how the ex smokers seem to the ones who most often are the nastiest when confronted by smokers. Also consider the great revenue provided to the states and the government by the smokers. The claim that health costs are driven up by smokers has a fallacy. If only 33 percent smoke and well over 60 percent are overweight causing really serious health problems now how can that claim be justified? Also it seems that in the days when smoking was permitted on planes there seemed to be much less friction. I cannot condone smoking but gee give the smokers a little slack. This is not a Taliban nation I hope.

  • Carver

    @Bill

    It seems like you a drawing alot of conclusions from one hotel. I travel fairly frequently. I have an extremely sensitive nose for smoke and I rarely have issues with smoke in my room. Now granted, 99 percent of my travels are between Westin, Sheraton, and full service Marriots.

    And if you spend 2k on a room, you’re probably getting reimbursed by HR who won’t pay for the smoking charge so its coming out of your pocket

    @Barbie

    The problem with your analysis ( i.e. 33% smoke, v. 60% are overweight) is that in additional to the population percentage, you also have to know the relative amounts the each person within in group costs the health care system. For example, suppose a population of 100 people has 33 smokers and 60 overweight people. If each smoker costs the health system $10, and each overweight person cost the health system $1 (purely made up numbers to illustrate the point), then smokes costs the health care system $330 where big people only $60. So you have to know how much each person in each group costs as in order to make any meaningful comparison.

    As far as less friction on planes due to smoking, I think the greater likelihood is that the commoditization of travel has taxed the system to the breaking point resulting in delays, overcrowded planes, surly flight attendants with God complexes, missing luggage, etc.

    But that’s just my $0.02

  • Michelle

    Most hotels in Australia and Canada that I’ve worked at (and visited) are now completely non smoking..rooms, bars, everything! It’s great as a nonsmoker not to have to deal with it. For a housekeeping perspective, it also keeps the room more fresh and clean! Of course they can smoke on the balconies, so most smokers go for a balcony room if they can’t find a hotel that allows smoking in the area. I think every hotel should be completely non-smoking.

  • Christine

    I was looking into cruises for our next vacation and it came down to 2 lines, then I found out that 1 of them allows smoking in all cabins. That made the choice easy. While I try not to complain about smoking outdoors, allowing smoking in cabins that don’t have windows is just disgusting. I don’t want to be the next person in that room, especially if I have kids. Also, on a cruise line, it’s not like you can ask for another room. I will now be limiting all my cruise business to lines that don’t allow in-room smoking.

  • Sarah Di

    @Christine

    The cruiseline I go on does allow smoking in cabins, but as a nonsmoker who is very sensitive to the smell of smoke, I have not once smelled smoke in my cabin. I don’t know what they use, but if anybody had smoked in my cabin the previous cruise, I never knew it. I have smelled it in some public areas, but part of that could be the fact that my state has a public smoking ban so I’m more sensitive to the smell when someone is smoking.

  • Steve

    “I’ve lost count of the number of smoking rooms I’ve stayed in. The odor of stale cigarettes takes weeks to wash out of my clothes. I don’t begrudge smokers their right to puff away — just please, not in the bed I’m about to sleep in.”

    Weeks, to wash out “third-hand” smoke from hotel rooms where the previous guest smoked? Seriously? I’ve stayed in smoking rooms before and while the odor in the room is definitely noticeable compared to a non-smoking room, I’ve never noticed the slightest scent on *me* as a result. And I must have some magic detergent, because even when I’m in a smoky casino for several hours (and definitely come out smelling like an ashtray from secondhand smoke – no argument there about how it sticks to your clothes), one cycle through the washing machine takes care of it.

    I don’t think guests should smoke in a non-smoking room, but I think it’s ridiculous to mandate by law that hotels cannot offer smoking rooms. The majority of rooms in any hotel I’ve ever stayed at are already non-smoking, and as you mentioned, a number of chains have made the decision to make their properties entirely non-smoking so if it’s that big of a concern, you can seek them out. I don’t think it should be the place of the government to tell innkeepers they can’t allow a legal activity in their properties, anymore than the government should be able to tell people they cannot smoke in their own homes. I’m sure that’s coming, sooner or later…

  • Mike

    I’m sorry, but that comment in the story about some people worrying that a visitor will go to another state because of no smoking in a hotel is laughable. The whole reason to visit a state is because you want or need to do something there that you cannot easily do somewhere else. if you could, then there would beno reason to visit that state to begin with.

    Also, I’ve been to Vegas almost a dozen times now and have stayed in a non smoking room each time. Only once was there any hint of smoke. And as far as the casinos, unless I am almost directly next to a smoker, the ventilation systems are normally more than adequate and you cannot even tell. Vegas hotels and casinos recycle air far less (the bring in more fresh air) than do normal businesses because they want wide awake people to gamble their money away. Not only that, I have yet to see a hotel in vegas with a centralized hvac system. bathroom exhaust, yes. Air conditioning? no.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Carver, considering therespect I have for your well written and factual posts , I concede my hospital cost may have some fallacies. As to friction, I do believe that a certain there is a sort of friction because of the lack of some sort of smoking facility in most airports. Atlanta is the only exception in the States that I know of. I am also curious as to how the most obnoxious anti- smokers manage to travel to countries such as China , Israel, Turkey, Egypt and many other contries without saying boo.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Steve, I do wish all people had your consideration. Soon the focus will be on obesity with dire consequences for all who purchase fast foods. sodas, candy etc.Just another way in creating the nanny state.

  • Liz

    Just returned from Vegas 2 weeks ago and while yes, there was a lot of cigarette smoke, it didn’t seem as bad as it has been on previous trips. And to address Jim_J’s comment, the hotel we stayed at (Marriott’s Grand Chateau) is a non-smoking property. They allow smoking outside just beyond the valet area, and there is a designated smoking area up on the roof, but away from the pool. I didn’t notice any smoke in the building, and thought this system worked quite well. I also noticed quite a few restaurants and shops in the other hotel-casinos that banned smoking.

  • Natalie

    I think it should be noted, at least for Marriott, that the non-smoking policy is for US hotels only. I think it’s easy to assume when you say that Marriott became a smoke-free brand that it applies everywhere. I recently made a reservation at the Marriott Charles De Gaulle Airport. I just happened to mention to the reservationist at the end of the call that since their rooms were all non-smoking now, there wasn’t anything else I needed. She informed me that it is a US-only policy and made sure to request a non-smoking room for me.

  • Christine

    @ Sarah Di

    That’s interesting. I wonder if they actually do use something that gets rid of the smell, or if you’ve just been getting lucky. I don’t think I want to find out though…

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ barbie45 – “As to friction, I do believe that a certain there is a sort of friction because of the lack of some sort of smoking facility in most airports. Atlanta is the only exception in the States that I know of.”
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    SLC has a smoking facility next to the AA gates (saw it two weeks ago). I remember seeing a smoking facility at LAS but I don’t know if it is still there (I didn’t see it a few days ago).

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I have been to most of the casinos on the strip in Las Vegas, I found that the ventilation systems at most of the casinos in Las Vegas are more than adequate. However, you can ‘see’ the smoke in the air at the casinos in the PHX area.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Thanks Arizona Road warrior for your post. Iposted that Atlanta was the only one that I was aware of. Steve, I am totally in favor of your post on restaurants and innkeepers being allowed to make their own decisions.At one time in Florida these establishments made their own decisions. It seemed to work out fine until the legislature became involved with a complete bann. Also what about a few smoking rooms allowed in hotels? Perhaps this would discourage people from all pulling stunts to avoid a mandatory fee.

  • Sarah Di

    @Christine. Honestly, talking on a board with other nonsmokers who cruise the same line, they have never had any issues either. It’s a general consensus that they must use something really good because the odds of that many people just getting really lucky are pretty bad. And should you get to your cabin and it smells like smoke, the room steward should be able to take care of it. I would avoid the casino area with kids though because it can be pretty smoky. Luckily, I don’t like to gamble.

  • Christine

    @ Sarah Di

    Thanks for the info. I’ll keep that in mind for the next time.

  • Jennifer

    I have to respectfully disagree with Arizona Road Warrior regarding Las Vegas casinos having great ventilation systems. As a long-time resident and as someone who lives with asthma, most casinos still have terrible ventilation systems. City Center, Encore and Wynn have decent systems but most other casinos, like Caesars, Flamingo, Bally’s are old school and the air quality is very bad. I dread when family visits because that is generally the only time I visit the casinos (except for a quick trip in to head to the movie theater). I have to use an inhaler and, it is true, it can take clothing more than one trip through the washer to get the smell out, believe it or not.

    And fyi, there are no longer any interior smoking lounges at McCarran Airport. Smokers must go outside. Finally, to say that smokers should be given areas to smoke so they don’t have to pull a fast one and game the system is ridiculous. The law is the law. If you want to fight it, take it up with your state legislator, not on the business whose services you are partaking. If you don’t like a business’ practices then find another business which caters to smokers. According to the American Heart Association, about 22 million Americans smoke. That is out of 300 million people. I think American businesses know to whom exactly they should cater and it isn’t smokers. Smoking isn’t in the Constitution.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Jennifer. I am sympathetic to your physical problems with smoking. However, how could a nonsmoking place at an airport infringe on your health ? Yes smokers will circumvent the law in situations as this. I assume countries such as China will not be on your travel list. Also many years ago there was a complete non- smoking cruise ship, I believe it was the Radisson. It is now defunct. Smoking is not in the constitution nor is nonsmoking.

  • Jennifer

    Barbie45- You assume wrong. I have been to China. I expect China to be a smoking culture and I take precautions for my health. Even in China there are places that are completely non-smoking. I abide by the laws and rules of the country or business I visit. It is ridiculous to say that smoking lounge in an airport would infringe on my health. It cannot be vented out of an enclosed area like an airport. I didn’t make the law. If smokers choose not to follow a rule or a law and smoke where they are not allowed to then they should be hit in their pocketbooks and hard and businesses should not be hesitant to do so.

  • http://http/aol.com barbie45

    Jennifer, to my knowledge I have not heard anyone complain about Atlanta’a smoking facility. If there is a law believe me folks will find a way to circumvent it. Take the examples given by people who beat the hotel system in certain all no smoking hotels. Come to think of it not just smoking in general but underage drinking, speeding, etc. I do not condone it but believe me in all areas trying to circumvent the law is just par for the course.

  • Brad

    Guys, as a full-time smoker, I want to be very clear that I respect the rights of non-smokers, and I personally go far out of my way to be as kind and polite to those around me as humanly possible. What I find frustrating is that American lawmakers continue to marginalize me because of a habit. How far should I allow myself to be pushed, truly?
    Clearly I generally choose to support businesses that offer alternatives for smokers (restaurants/nightclubs/hotels with outdoor patios or other provisions to allow smoking on-premises), but it is becoming more and more intolerable that I am legislated into a closet.
    I honestly, really, truly respect your rights, but what about mine?

  • ageekymom

    @Brad, thanks for speaking up for those of us that by choice, or by addiction, still partake in a legal activity. I, too, am a full-time smoker. I don’t smoke in non-smoking rooms. I walk away from doors and other people to smoke.
    In Michigan, we will go non-smoking on May 1st. This includes outdoor seating at restaurants and bars. If I wish to smoke, I will need to step off the property. In anticipation, I have purchased an e-cigarette nicotine-delivery system. It will be interesting to see what kind of reception it gets from non-smokers (who will, I’m sure, put up their own brand of stink about it.)
    By the way, smoking is banned everywhere in Vegas (malls, restaurants, bars where food is served) except casinos and designated smoking rooms in hotels.

  • Joe

    As a Smoker, i respect hotels without smoking rooms. As the article eluded to Vegas many times, there are multiple properties that are smoke-free that visitors can stay at (Trump, Signature, Westin, All Marriott hotels, Vdara, select Embassy Suites to name a few). Hotels alledged to be non-smoking, such as the Four Seasons las vegas, are not but they do an excellent job keeping smokers away from non-smokers ( when I checked in, I was upgraded to to a suite because I found out later eveyone else smoked on our floor).

    My biggest complaint is that hotels can have one smoking floor. Ten rooms, etc. Stick us together. Charge me an extra $20 for a smoking room a day for cleaning costs if needed. I’ll pay it.

    I recently stayed a smoke free Crowne Plaza, but some rooms had an outside patio you can smoke on. Even Marriott Courtyards and select Marriott resorts (Orlando being one of them) ban smoking but allow it on the balconies.

    If I cannot smoke in the room, but If have a balcony or easy way outside to smoke I’m fine with that. Disney has banned smoking even on their balconies, which I find ridiculous.
    Recently I’ve stayed at the Worldquest in Orlando multiple times which allows smoking on their balcony areas which me and the wife love. I don’t need the smoke in the room if easy alternatives are available. But, if it’s 20 degrees outside, I’ll gladly pay a “resort fee” for a smoking room for an extra charge.

  • Ron Taub

    To the guy who thinks WI won’t lose business. People booking conventions can change locations and avoid WI.

  • http://www.clarkecomputer.com Charles Clarke

    As a person who is sensitive to smoke (and the chemicals people use to try and cover up the smoke), I agree with coming down hard on smokers who smoke where they shouldn’t. And yes, that includes patios and balconies. The smoke doesn’t just stay on your balcony. And if you smoke by an air intake for air conditioning, it spreads throughout the building.

    I don’t do business with smokers. For the next hour after they take a smoking break, they are still breathing out the fumes and it will make me sick.

    And don’t even get me started on those !#$%@$# who think they can drop/throw/grind their butts anywhere.

    That said, I have no problems with a wing of a hotel being smoking rooms. In fact, if you only allow them to smoke in their rooms it will keep them from smoking outside where the smoke can go anywhere. To be designed properly, those wings should have airlocks and be designed to have negative pressure (air is not blown into the wing, but is blown out of the wing). Having airlocks and positive pressure in the rest of the hotel is also good.

    @ageekymom – I hope those e-cigarrette work for you. As long as they aren’t spewing fumes, I won’t have a problem with you having it in your mouth. Thank you for being considerate.