Airline seat fees separate mom from five-year-old twins

Ever since airlines added new economy-class seat reservation fees, they’ve insisted that the new charges would not lead to families with young kids being separated.

And I believed it — until I heard from Vicki Wallace.

Wallace was flying from Philadelphia to San Diego on US Airways recently, when the fees led to her being separated from her five-year-old twins, she says.

Her case is important because airlines have insisted they aren’t forcing their customers to book these “choice” seats for their kids, and that they’ll do everything in their power to make sure families with young children are seated together on a flight, whether they paid more for their seat reservations or not.

It all began when Wallace started planning the trip to Philadelphia for Thanksgiving.

I reserved my seats ahead of time and was peeved to find I had to pay $67 for a “choice” seat in order to pick four adjacent seats for my family.

Okay, not too big a deal. However, when I checked in the night before, I found that my “choice” seat was worthless, since they moved the other three seats all over the plane – all separated from one another.

Eventually, she remedied the situation by paying more to reserve better “choice” seats. But it came at a price: Wallace says she paid $112 extra for the initial reservations and then another $180 after her “choice” seats were reshuffled. That’s on top of her $675 airfare.

But the real seat problems happened on her return flight. “The flight was full, so there was no option to even purchase adjacent seats,” she says.

The family was separated — one member was sent to row 35 and the others were in rows 8 and 9.

“I asked the agents at the gate about getting seats together and they told me they could not help and to ask the flight attendants,” she says. “Of course, once on the plane, the flight attendants were of no help and we were told to ask passengers to swap seats.”

She continues,

My husband disappeared to his seat in row 35 while I hovered around rows 8 and 9 and reached out to passengers to swap seats.

One was an even swap for one aisle seat to another aisle seat, so that was easy. Another woman was not willing at all to move over one seat so we could be adjacent and another by the window was not initially willing, but later changed her mind as I sent the one five-year-old to her seat between two strangers.

So, to recap, Wallace paid the “choice” seat fee on her outbound leg, but the airline moved her seats anyway, forcing her to pay even more in order to sit with her family. Then, on the return, it didn’t offer her any “choice” seat options and separated the entire family again. And for at least a short amount of time, one of her five-year-old twins sat between two strangers.

Wallace thinks the airline seat fees are out of control.

“I am outraged that I can no longer expect to sit with my young children on a flight anymore,” she says. “We travel from one coast to the next at least three times a year. It is already expensive. Is there any way you could help me get either a refund for the extra fees — especially the ‘choice’ seats I never used?”

Of course.

I asked US Airways to review her case. Here’s what a representative said:

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We got with the customer … gave her some tips on how to book together, and offered a refund of her choice seat fees – which she accepted.

As you know, we work really hard to accommodate families traveling together — whether with small kids or not — and the vast majority of the time it works out just fine. Then we can always try at the gate with no-shows or with other volunteers … lastly, on the aircraft itself.

I’m happy this was resolved, but I’m troubled that this case even came to my attention. Airlines have long insisted that they won’t separate families, and that there’s no need for the government to regulate their seating policies. I’ve agreed with this position, citing a lack of evidence that young kids are being separated from their parents on planes.

Wallace’s case makes me wonder if I’m on the right side of this argument.

Should the government require airlines to seat families together?

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  • calbff

    I have no problems with any of what you said. That sounds quite reasonable to me.

  • y_p_w

    Well yeah. The thing was that my wife did the initial booking and didn’t think about how we couldn’t book a kid separately after she got the free companion special. She just booked the adults first as a pair and asked me to book our kid. United’s online booking sales system didn’t allow us to book the kid separately as a 2-5 year old. What she should have done was book the kid with her (that was an option) and let me buy my ticket separately. We even had a 15% discount off the lowest fare with the same incentive program, but didn’t find out about that until later. In the end I just booked our kid as an adult, where it didn’t really care about the actual DOB entered and nobody blinked once we got on the plane.

    It was also interesting checking in with mobile boarding passes on my iPhone. I did print up paper boarding passes as a backup.

    As for flying internationally, I probably wouldn’t even try to book myself. I’d have a travel agent do it. Every time I’ve flown international it was through a travel agent or package tour.

  • y_p_w

    Heard about that.

    Not sure what I’m going to do when I get home. We’re thinking of sending our child to day care or pre-school and it gives pause that such horrific things can happen in this world once your child leaves your direct care.

  • MarkKelling

    Oh, SW just announced the Early Bird is going up to $12.50 — and a lot more fees “to be announced Saturday.” Great.

  • MarkKelling

    Good luck. :-)

    I had the A-1 boarding number on one flight I took on SW. Thought I was set for the perfect exit row seat. But when I got on the plane, I saw it was a connection and over half the seats were filled! I was able to get an aisle seat next to a very small and polite couple so it was not a total loss, but I was still disappointed that my A-1 meant nothing.

  • TonyA_says

    Sadly, you cannot run away from these things. I just found out shooter’s dad (an executive for GE) lives near our home and about a mile from the elementary school all my kids went to. Scary. But, hey what to do? You live in a small New England town and do not expect this to happen. All we can do is take care of our kids and teach them what is right.

  • y_p_w

    Of course this kind of thing isn’t isolated to schools. I was working at a summer job in San Francisco on the day of the 101 California Street shootings. We saw the police enter en masse and the emergency PA system in our building was activated with a warning that we should stay away from the windows. Most people still looked. I think it’s human nature unless someone can actually see a gunman.

    The reality was that by the time anyone knew about it, the gunman was dead from a self-inflicted wound.

  • GrantRitchie

    Ha! I hear ya about the “P.O.S.” thing. I thought about that right after I posted it. As to why I’m boarded first, I always assumed it was because I paid for two seats, and Southwest wanted to be sure that I could get them side by side.

  • Bill___A

    So what will you do with a family of 12? There is a cost involved with travelling together. They have priced the seats at various prices. If you don’t want to pay for the extra seats, then go to the back of the bus where they are all the same, or pay for the various seats. I just took a flight and paid for all of the seats required, as on the website. Yes, it cost me extra.

  • Bill___A

    You know, the airlines should do their best to accommodate people sitting together. Children underage should not be left alone – so if the whole family can’t be seated together, they should be divided into groups with one responsible person in each group (some families are 12 people etc).
    That said, is the expectation really to reshuffle the whole plane if some family books at the last minute? When I pay for a premium seat, I expect it to be mine, period. Aisle seat and within 5 rows of an emergency exit. If someone wants to trade with me and I have an equivalent seat, fine. If you don’t, that’s not likely to happen. For example, I will not go to your seat which has two very bad kids right behind it and that’s further from the exits in exchange for you sitting beside your friend.
    As far as the dual seat issue, they should sell “paired” seats to POS people. Paired seats could be sold at a price higher than a single but less than two. Paired seats could obviously be located only where there are two seats available.
    As for the “medical issue vs overeating” part, unless the US has the worst medical situation on the planet, it pretty much has to be due mostly to overeating. There’s no other explanation for this. USA Today just published health rankings for each state…and the ones that scored the worst are definitely the ones with the worst diets.
    As for those scooters, the airline scooter drivers are no better. Why don’t they mark off “scooter lanes” in airports. However, since they don’t have the sensibility to put in moving sidewalks, I doubt there is the motivation to put in scooter lanes.
    Before you jump all over me, I’m not a small person (and it isn’t due to a medical issue). I don’t need two seats but I am tall and definitely use up all of my space. No, I don’t need a seat belt extender and I keep the armrest down. That said, most airlines put the seats way too close together and don’t have enough legroom. I take a dim view of those who recline their seats (I don’t do that) .
    Furthermore, there are a lot of airline employees out there who are just idiots. You’d think that the flying airline employee shouldn’t be the one to disrespect seat belt signs, luggage in the emergency exit rules, etc.
    US based airlines are in a class all by themselves, and it is a combination of employees who are poorly trained, not motivated, etc in combination with inconsiderate passengers who feel compelled to stuff their bag into the passenger cabin no matter how many they have or how big they are.
    Couple that with airports that have no clue what to feed people at breakfast (New Orleans…nothing open but when they are getting ready, they put hot dogs on the grill before 6 am) and Atlanta which seemingly has no food health standards inside of the airport or out. Maybe I am ranting, but I just took my first round trip to the US in a long time. It really has got to be the worst place to fly in as far as so called developed countries go. Oh, and I had the first theft of luggage items…a strap on my bag stolen probably by the TSA. It has to be a real accomplishment to be more annoying than the French.

  • Bill___A

    They probably split you up to accommodate a “family”.

  • cjr001

    They didn’t. The guy who got my seat was traveling alone, hence the ease with which he was willing to trade seats with me.

  • charlie

    Just sort of a side note…sometimes a person won’t move in order to help out as you saw. But if you find yourself in a situation where you and your travel partner are talking back and forth or children kneeling on a seat and shouting back and forth “hey, dad, look at what’s in my mouth now” there will be some people only too glad to switch.

  • Gs

    What will happen in an emergency when families (and couples) are separated? Do we think everyone will exit in an orderly fashion? I think people will fight to go the wrong way to get with their spouses or kids…leading to a real disaster.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    That is absolutely ignorant – so if someone doesn’t do what YOU want, mistreat them badly enough – then you WILL get what you wanted???? This is why the posters here don;t care for families!

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    which is what they should be doing in the first place! If I’m travelling alone, I could care less – when on vacation with a bad flier, I always check the seating available first – and if I need to pay more for the flight, and/or the seats, so be it. You CANNOT (families included) expect the lowest fare, free seats, etc just because you feel you are “special” – that’s usually the whining we see here, unfortunately.

  • Zen Angel

    I’m a bigger gal. And I use a scooter. But it was far from free….it cost me several thousands of dollars. And I’m not bigger, nor am I using my scooter (at D*isney several times) because I can’t control myself at a buffet. I never had a weight problem, or a problem walking…until I got secondary-progressive multiple sclerosis. Wheel a mile in my shoes before you judge me.

  • Linda

    What kills me is that these “premium” seats are not even better than others! I recently paid a bunch extra to reserve 2 seats on a London-to-Dallas flight, and according to SeatGuru, they were just “standard economy seats”. The only advantage was that they were 2-across instead of 4-across. No extra legroom or anything. What a scam.

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  • 57bigcheese

    Sorry your wrong on this one. She as special favors and expects another passenger to give up their seats so she can be given special seating. Either pay the extra fee or sit apart. I wouldn’t give up my seat and I think if she was flying alone and asked to take a middle seat she wouldn’t either.

  • Someone who flies a lot

    The airline will not instigate a complaint. Their policy is to have the affected passenger make the complaint…most don’t and just sit there quietly and seethe while they give up half their seat without saying anything.

  • Someone who flies a lot

    Air France is subsidized by the French government.

  • Someone who flies a lot

    They can’t do it for them. If they were to ask a business frequent flier if they would move a seat for a family, then it would put extra pressure on them to move and they would feel more obligated, especially since the flight attendant is an authoritative figure. The f/a’s have to leave special requests between passengers just that, between passengers.

  • Someone who flies a lot

    Exactly!! The airlines elite pays for 75% of the airlines income. Why shouldn’t they cater to the them rather than to the once in a while leisure traveler?

  • Someone who flies a lot

    I once watched a woman board with her three kids all under the age of 8 the youngest being 4. They were all separated on a red eye flight. I watched her put her youngest in a seat and asked him to behave, then I watched her put her other two in other seats in the same manner.
    I was amazed that she didn’t ask anyone to move. I watched the crew the entire night constantly checking on these kids, and they never required any care the entire night. The mother checked on them too for a bathroom break. That mother had it all under control.

  • Someone who flies a lot

    I wouldn’t have moved for her. Some of these mothers are also “priority boarding” their kids that are taller than me.

  • Someone who flies a lot

    Why should you move someone out of their seat because your son is SEVEN? You could have sat in a row directly behind him if you require to watch him. You were just greedy and wanted someone’s aisle or window seat. Not cool. So entitled.

  • TexanPatriot2

    I’ve flown a lot over the past several months for work. More and more flights lately I’ve been approached to change seats by people who wanted to sit together. Maybe it’s because I sit near the front and travel alone. Their lack of planning and unwillingness to pay the airlines their extra money — isn’t *MY* problem. Usually I decline, once this last trip I did not. Oh, the experience I ended up with. I ended up from a window to a MIDDLE seat. Next to an elderly gentlemen who just wanted to talk my ear off — then who soiled his Depends. And I broke my last pair of reading glasses getting my bag under the seat — as I was being hurried along by surly flight attendents.

    The couple who asked me to move….didn’t even THANK ME as they walk by in baggage claim fuming at the airline misrouting and subsequently damaging my large bag with 10 days of clothes and work materials (and not having a rep around to even talk to).

    I’ve often said: No good deed goes unpunished. I’m done being “helpful” to people when I get the doe eyes and tears.