US Airways tells customer her cancer isn’t terminal enough for a refund

Not the friendly skies. / Photo by wbav - Flickr
Not the friendly skies. / Photo by wbav – Flickr
Ben Coleman and his wife were supposed to fly from New York to Oakland last November on US Airways. The couple had purchased nonrefundable roundtrip tickets on US Airways for just under $1,000.

But in October, Coleman’s wife was diagnosed with cancer.

“Her diagnosis is positive and the doctors tell us — nothing is certain, of course — that it will be a hard year, but expect that she will lead a long healthy life.”

That’s when things got a little complicated.

Coleman explains,

I called US Airways to cancel my ticket and hope for a refund. This was several weeks before my travel dates.

I was told that because I bought a non-refundable ticket there was nothing that they could do except issue me credit that would be good for one year from the ticket purchase date.

They also informed me that due to rebooking fees and other fees, the actual amount of my credit would be much less than my original purchase price. This is, of course, pretty unhelpful as there is no chance we are flying anywhere before this credit expires.

I was told that I can email their customer service desk to appeal.

He did appeal, in writing. US Airways asked for documentation of his wife’s condition, a process that took several weeks. After submitting the paperwork, the airline rejected his refund request.

I was told on the phone that they only refund tickets in cases of terminal cancer.

Are you kidding me?

I get their super strict policy — I did buy a non-refundable ticket — but why make me go to my wife’s doctor, waste his time, and the precious time I have with him, and ask him for this favor, if you’re just going to reject it?

Coleman wants me to see if US Airways will reconsider its decision, and I’m tempted to.

Here’s how the conversation is likely to go: I’ll ask US Airways to take a look at the case, and it will ask if I’m aware that Coleman could have purchased a more expensive, flexible ticket. And I will ask the airline how much such a ticket would cost, and then we’ll get into a debate over whether it’s fair or reasonable for someone to pay three times more for a ticket just to be able to change a date or get a refund.

It’s an unwinnable argument.

What puzzles me about this case is that a US Airways representative actually told Coleman that his wife’s cancer needed to be “terminal” in order for her to get a refund. Isn’t it enough that she’s going to be suffering through chemotherapy treatments for the rest of the year, and that the ticket credit will certainly be unused?

Like Coleman, I understand that nonrefundable means nonrefundable. But come on. Passengers cut airlines some slack when they can’t operate a flight for reasons beyond their control. It’s not as if the Colemans thought it was possible they’d have to cancel their trip for medical reasons.

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  • ArizonaRoadWarrior

    For over ten years, I have compared fares between America WestUS Airways and Southwest due to clients and/or employers requesting these comparisons. The fares from America WestUS Airways were the same or lower than Southwest.

  • crash025

    Southwest has a limited fleet. They only fly with Boeing 737s, and that requires less techs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines#Current_fleet

  • ArizonaRoadWarrior

    The reasons why Southwest makes a ton of money are 1) they fly only the profitable routes (i.e. high volume); 2) they have one piece of equipment (737) since they don’t fly international or into small airports (i.e. 747, CR7, Dash200, etc.). They have done an outstanding in marketing themselves as the ‘low fare carrier’ similiar to Wal-Mart (i.e. ‘always the lowest price’) where the public believes that they have the lowest fares. In reality, they don’t have the lowest fares for every route just like Wal-Mart doesn’t have the lowest price on every item.
    Orbitz is owned by a group of legacy airlines but the last time that I checked the airfare search engines such as Priceline, Travelocity, Expedia, Hotwire, CheapOair, etc. are NOT owned by the legacy airlines. The reason why the fares of Southwest are not listed in airfare search engines is that they don’t want the public to know that they don’t have the lowest fares. For over ten years, I have compared fares between Southwest and America WestUS Airways and the fares from America WestUS Airways were the same to $ 300 cheaper than Southwest.

    A passenger can now able to purchase fares that include change-fee waivers at American Airlines…it is something like $ 18 extra. It is my guess that it won’t be too long before the other legacy airlines will be offering this option.

  • bodega3

    Unless you are looking at something like this in your comparison, you aren’t comparing fares, as comparing what is available at the time of your search. This for travel from PHX to LAX and you can see that WN(Southwest) has the same fare as all the other carriers for their lowest fare: Then the next fare up, you find the same fare for the carriers. Looking at the fare basis, which this is, is the only true judge of fares, then comes availablity, which you probably only have access to. You have made these statements in the past and unless you have access to what I show below, you aren’t really getting the full picture.

    1 GA00ERD1 G X 131.00 AA —- -/1 -/ –
    2A KA00A0NA K X 131.00 DL R09AU -/1 -/ –
    3 TXA0NL2 T X 131.00 US —- -/1 -/ –
    4 TXA0NL2 T X 131.00 US —- -/1 -/ –
    5A TXA0SL2Y T X 131.00 US R09AU -/1 -/ –
    6 MLA0PNRO M X 131.00 WN R06MR -/‡ -/ –
    7 OLN0PNR O X 131.00 WN R06MR -/‡ -/ –
    8 WA0KN W X 146.00 UA —- -/1 -/ –
    9 OLA0PNRO O X 146.00 WN R06MR -/‡ -/ –
    10 RLN0PNR R X 146.00 WN R06MR -/‡ -/ –
    11 VA00ERD1 V X 153.00 AA —- -/1 -/ -‡

  • Guest

    If you still can’t even be bothered to read the contract of carriage citation I posted in my very first comment above, then please don’t bother responding with idle speculation.

    It will take you 2 seconds to find it (search for “cancellation penalty”). And those are referenced exclusively with respect to refundable tickets.

  • Michael__K

    If you still can’t even be bothered to read the contract of carriage citation I posted in my very first comment above, then please don’t bother responding with idle speculation.

    It will take you 2 seconds to find it (search for “cancellation penalty”). And those are referenced exclusively with respect to refundable tickets.

  • ArizonaRoadWarrior

    You are correct…I will claim that there are two types of fares…published fares (as you listed above) and fares that are available at the time of purchase. I am not a travel agent so I don’t have access to all of the published fares. To be fair, published fares can be meaningless…an airline doesn’t have the lowest fare class for every seat in economy…typical, they will limit the number of tickets for their lowest fare classes. If the fare for class T (11th Tier Economy ticket) on United for a flight was $ 100 but all of the seats at this fare was sold out, it doesn’t mean anything to me. It is like the car dealer that advertise that they have the lowest prices…they have a car model at $ 20,000 (in AZ, a car dealer needs to list the number of cars at this price in their advertisement) but their next price level for the same car model is $ 25,000…the car dealer can claim to have the lowest prices but if the model doesn’t have the options that you or only have one car on the lot…it is meaningless. What matter to me is the lowest fare that is available to purchase when I need to purchase a ticket. When I travel for business, I don’t have the luxury to pick the days to travel when the fares are the lowest.
    I booked our airline tickets for the Thanksgiving holiday two months before we traveled. I went to US Airways and Southwest websites to check the fares. The reason why I went to the Southwest website is that my brother think that Southwest has the lowest fares and I enjoy saying “US Airways because their fare was $ 200 cheaper per person than Southwest” when my brother asked me over Thanksgiving dinner what airline did we fly.”

  • Michael__K

    Yes, however, bodega prefers to grandstand than to just come out and admit that.

    If US Airways’ stance is “they should have bought a refundable ticket” then I think it’s fair to point out that US Airways for some reason doesn’t give their customers the means and information to conveniently do so without taking blind leaps of faith.

  • bodega3

    I read it. If you have the carrier issue the ticket, isn’t there a ticketing fee? That isn’t refundable, but the ticket cost is. A refundable ticket is just that, REFUNDABLE.

  • Michael__K

    Cancellation penalties.

    Cancellation penalties.
    CANCELLATION PENALTIES.

  • Michael__K

    Thanks.

    I suppose the absence of cancellation penalty details, plus the “fees may apply depending on fare rules” mouseover message for Flexible fares might each qualify as a “contract term by reference” that does not include “the required notice about a particular rule.”

    But I would hate to depend on that interpretation (and it could be impossible to prove the missing notice many months later if it came to that.)

  • bodega3

    Comparing fares to availabliity is like comparing apples to oranges. You have posted many times here saying that WN doesn”t have the lowest fare, but what you really mean is that the lowest fare on WN is sold out for the date you wish to travel. Two different things. WN has done a remarkable job in marketing themselves and they are the first many people look to for a ticket. So of course their lowest fares sell out quickly but if they fly in a large market, like LAX or OAK, you can often find other carriers still have the lower fare available…which is what you found for your Thanksgiving booking.
    By giving out bogus information, you aren’t helping anyone.

  • bodega3

    Give it a rest.

  • bodega3

    I give up. You win. You know all about ticketing and fares and rules. Go open a travel agency and make millions.

  • Michael__K

    Please do not respond to my comments anymore.

    I posed a question for the group. You ignored every single invitation to use your expertise to answer it and chose to offer exclusively sarcasm and misdirection instead.

  • Michael__K

    Follow your own advice. And if you don’t want to talk about cancellation penalties, don’t respond to my questions about cancellation penalties in the first place

  • Guest

    Not to be hard nosed but stories like these come up from time to time about varuious carriers. Airlines did once accept medical excuses, but with teh advent of home laser printers, officilal looking “doctor’s notes” on letterhead became dime a dozen, so the carriers ended the practice because (as is often teh case, soem people abused the system and ruuined it for everyone. I have no doubt that this specific case is authentic, but the carriers to do not have time or resources to seperate ther wheat from the chaff. This is why there is tarvel insuarnce.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christian.elberfeld Christian Elberfeld

    Not to be hard nosed but stories like these come up from time to time about varuious carriers. Airlines did once accept medical excuses, but with the advent of home laser printers, officilal looking “doctor’s notes” on letterhead became dime a dozen, so the carriers ended the practice because (as is often the case, soem people abused the system and ruined it for everyone. I have no doubt that this specific case is authentic, but the carriers do not have time or resources to seperate the wheat from the chaff. This is why there is travel insuarnce.

  • bodega3

    I respond where and when I want. I answered your question but you refuse to take a simple answer and want to nitpick. Refundable means what it says when a fare is stated as such. End of story.

  • TonyA_says

    The issue is that people mostly buy the lowest fare without really thinking about the possibility of getting sick and needing to refund. Who would ever think they will get cancer before they take a trip to Oakland? Most people will probably worry about getting mugged in Oakland, not Cancer.
    The refundable / non-refundable (endorsements) labels are really the quickest way to tell whether a ticket can be cancelled and still get most or part of your money back.

    But if you really want to know how to PROFESSIONALLY do it, then here is ONE way.
    1) Look for a NORMAL FARE. The fare type code typically is Economy Unresticted including second and third levels. The fare type codes are EU, ES AND ET, respectively. Also, a lot of Economy Restricted fare types may also allow for refunds with a fee. But as you move on to the types Excursion, Advance Purchase, Instant Purchase and Special (non normal) fares, tickets tend to be non-refundable.
    2) Then look at the Category 16 Penalties to confirm that the fare allows for cancellation and refund and what the admin charges will be if any.
    3) If you thinking of changing your dates instead, you must also resd Category 31 Voluntary Changes (or rerouting).
    All the above are part of the automated fare rules carriers upload to ATPCO and which GDS has access to.
    Some online vending sites provide a link that allows you read the fare rules. Some do not. If they do not, you must call the carrier or the agent and ask for a copy.

  • TonyA_says

    Yes, Refundability does not mean you will not have to pay an admin fee.
    It only means you can cancel and get a refund. You must still find out how much you need to pay for an admin fee, if any, to get your money back. Note I said money, not certificates.

  • EdB

    No, that is poor corporate policy, not customer servicce. From the customer service point, they did everything to help the people. They explained about the credit and even went so far as to tell them how to appeal it. How did the CSR provide poor service? The CSR can’t over ride corporate policy. They don’t have the authority.

  • Michael__K

    That makes sense.

    The problem with calling the carrier is illustrated here:
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/03/us-airs-consumer-fraud-or-yet-another-reminder-why-we-need-regulation.html

    The problem with relying on a source other than the carrier for a DIY purchase is that the carrier could always say the information is wrong or out of date.

    The carriers actions had a lot to do with the vast increase in DIY distribution (e.g. cutting commissions, creating incentives for booking on the carrier’s site). So I just think it’s fair to highlight that they actively sought to create this situation, and yet (at least in the case of US Airways) they don’t provide DIYers with the tools and documentation to understand what they are buying.

  • Michael__K

    TonyA addressed the question. No thanks to you for wasting everyone’s time with your tiring misdirection.

  • http://twitter.com/danrevans Dan Evans

    John, are you seriously suggesting that there is any logic, common sense, or good business practice behind most airline fares? Most airline fare profiles appear to have been produced by deranged monkeys (my apologies to monkeys). The good business practice is obviously absent, along with customer loyalty, as most airlines bleed red ink. One exception, Southwest, would also be most likely to have handled this situation in a much more compassionate way.

  • TonyA_says

    I think I have to repeat my original post. USAir’s fare rules and COCs are missing flexibility, IMO. No tools will help you with this carrier. You need to ge lucky and talk to a person who has the authority and heart to be kind to you. That said they have been quite nice to my family members here in HPN Westchester NY. But, I do not fly them.
    I am a regular reader of Yves Smith’s site. Although I like her work on econ policy, I would not necessarily agree with her on airline policy.

  • Michael__K

    To be clear, I didn’t link to Yves Smith for her opinions on airline policy.

    I linked to show her first-hand experience — which illustrates what can happen if you think common sense applies and you even call the carrier to double check the fare rules. Even if you are “lucky and talk to a person who has the authority and heart to be kind to you”… that didn’t do her any good.

  • JenniferFinger

    Ed, I was speaking in terms of how the company relates to its customers. That is bad customer service, whether it’s delivered by a customer service rep acting on his or her own authority (if s/he has any) or whether it’s set down as corporate policy.

  • Matt Blumenfeld

    It was an international fare. The fare rule said non-refundable but their website had a published policy that says says you have to be medically fit or they won’t carry you.

  • JenniferFinger

    I like this idea too. There could be other ways the public can put pressure on airlines to act humanely.

  • JenniferFinger

    Do travel insurance policies cover cancellations of non-refundable tickets for cancer-related reasons? A lot of times travel insurance is just as unhelpful as the airlines themselves-for the same reason. Any time a customer needs a reimbursement, it means less money in their pockets.

  • TonyA_says

    Yes, there are times you just wanna cry. I have been there EVEN IF I DID ALL MY HOMEWORK.

    Back to Yves’ issue. I need to explain her problem.

    IMO, she made a mistake.
    She COMBINED a non-refundable fare and a refundable fare in the first class cabin to make a roundtrip ticket. When you do this, the most restrictive rule kicks in. The whole ticket becomes non-refundable.

    She would be better off buying SEPARATE ONEWAY tickets on first class. The return ticket would still be completely refundable in her case).

    I think people get confused with the meaning of FLEX fares.
    It actually does not mean “anything”. You still need to read the fare rules. Essentially a FLEX fare is a NORMAL fare (that are refundable and changeable without a penalty fee BUT you have to pay the fare differential if the current fare is higher).

    Since tickets need to be REISSUED, it must be repriced.
    You just do not take the next flight without a reprice!

    When you change your return flight for a NORMAL FARE, here are the USAir rules:

    CHANGES
    CHANGES PERMITTED.
    NOTE –
    ANYTIME-
    TICKET MUST BE REISSUED.

    AFTER DEPARTURE CHANGES –
    IF NEW FARE IS HIGHER – COLLECT DIFFERENCE.
    IF NEW FARE IS LOWER – REFUND DIFFERENCE TO
    ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT.
    USE FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET WAS ISSUED FOR
    FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS WITHOUT REGARD TO ADVANCE PURCHASE AND REPRICE UNFLOWN FARE COMPONENTS WITH A COMBINABLE CURRENT FARE MEASURING ADVANCE PURCHASE FROM THE REISSUE DATE.
    ALL FARE RULES OF BOTH THE RETAINED FARE AND THE NEW FARE MUST BE MET.

    So failure to understand the rules of USAir can be hazardous to your sanity. :-) When you discuss (or argue) with USAir, you are better off if you can quote the fare rules to them.

  • TonyA_says

    Re: When did non-refundable not mean non-refundable?
    The way I read it, if the OP’s wife had TERMINAL cancer then the refundable ticket would have been refundable.
    So Yes, there are times!

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    I think *understanding* the rules of USAir can be hazardous to your sanity. :D

  • Guest

    You still need to read the fare rules

    That’s the Kafka-esque dilemma. Like you said and showed, you can pull it up in your GDS. All Yves can practically do is call US Airways and speak to agents and supervisors who don’t understand the rules either.

  • Michael__K

    ” You still need to read the fare rules”

    That’s the Kafka-esque dilemma. Like you said and showed, you can pull it up in your GDS. All Yves can practically do is call US Airways and speak to agents and supervisors who don’t understand the rules either.

  • bodega3

    With many of the travel insurance policies, if you take out coverage within a certain time period, usually within 14-21 days, preexisitng conditions are covered for not only the passenger, but a spouse, and some family members. Documentation is required for canceling and it takes several weeks for the refund.

  • bodega3

    Glad he got through to you. Sometimes people need to take something easy and make it difficult as you did.

  • TonyA_says

    The law gives you the right to ask a copy of the fare rules. Call to ask one, read, then argue.

  • bodega3

    I have no doubt that the doctor’s letter didn’t get written in a way that would have helped the OP. I have had nonterminal clients get a refund.

  • bodega3

    Interesting that you think WN would have handled this differently. They have been the most difficult to deal with in this regards from my experience assisting clients.

  • bodega3

    Jennifer, I would guess that somewhere within the doctor’s note, the carrier saw that the cancer patient could travel at some point and reuse the fare. If the letter had been worded in such a manner that future travel was questionable or not possible for a long time period, the carrier most likely would have dealt with this differently. That has been my experience when assisting clients in getting a refund.

  • GrantRitchie

    Michael,
    For some reason, your comments are being re-posted a couple of minutes later by “Guest” at the same IP address as yours. The same thing happened yesterday. Is this something you can disable at your end?
    Thanks,
    Grant

  • Michael__K

    He didn’t give your non-answers.

  • Michael__K

    Mistake on my end, sorry. I tried to go back and select “Delete” and the comment temporarily disappears locally, but then it comes back when I reload the page.

  • JenniferFinger

    Still, the carrier doesn’t really know that either. Not being “terminal” doesn’t mean travel at any future time is possible. The patient may feel too weak or whatever to travel even if s/he isn’t going to die.

  • GrantRitchie

    Thanks, Michael. It looks as if whatever you did worked. With your permission, if it happens again, we’ll just delete the duplicate posts on our end.

  • bodega3

    Having been a part of the refund procedure for decades, I can tell you that what isn’t said is as important as what is said. I fully understand that what the woman was going to go through could be an issue down the line and that is exactly what you need to address along with the immediate cancellation. I don’t defend the carrier’s decision and I am just presenting what I have learned over the years and have had great success in obtaining refunds.

  • Joe Farrell

    How can a company send a confidential email to a journalist before you agree to hold it in confidence? The contact after the first email should be confidential, after you agree to make it confidential, but the first email is simply a communication to a journalist. What m I missing?

  • GrantRitchie

    Semantically, you’re right. When speaking to a journalist, you can’t demand confidentiality after the fact; you should arrange for it beforehand. Realistically though, if Chris burns US Air this time, guess how much cooperation he gets from them next time. In this case, even if US Air didn’t ask for confidentiality first, I think Chris did the right thing.