Hey, where’s that Bahamas cruise you promised me?

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Maybe you think you’ve heard this story before. It involves presentations with aggressive salesmen, lofty promises made and allegedly not kept, and fingerpointing — lots of fingerpointing.

But you haven’t heard this story. Not the way Troy Bryan tells it, at least.

He recently received a phone call from someone representing a company called Premiere Discounts.

“A representative indicated that I had won a prize from a contest that I had earlier entered,” he says. “I don’t recall entering this contest.”

Bryan took careful notes during the conversation. The representative promised him one of four “prizes”: A 2013 Dodge Durango XT SUV; $2,500 in cash; a Bahamas cruise or a Toshiba laptop.

The catch? He had to attend a sales presentation.

“When we checked in at the hotel, they verified our annual income,” he remembers. “We also had to show them our driver’s licenses and credit cards.”

The spiel was for a condominium offer made by a travel club called Gold Crown Resorts. There was pressure to buy, of course. When it was over, a representative gave him a cardboard pad with a gray circle. Bryan was invited to scratch the circle to see what he’d won.

The prize? A “vacation package” offered by another company, Choices Election, Inc. (confused yet?).

The fine print on the offer said he had to pay for all taxes and port fees, gas surcharges and a “processing” fee of $70 that had to be wired to the company — no checks or credit cards.

Bryan thought there was something fishy about the offer. If he’d won a real prize, it would be given to him without strings attached and any taxes would have to be paid to the government, not to the company.

He contacted me, hoping I could persuade the company to honor its offer of a “free” vacation.

I asked him if he could establish a better paper trail in which he asked the company to honor its promise, and it responded. And here’s where things begin to fall apart.

The response from Gold Crown seemed almost rehearsed:

Gold Crown Resort did not solicit your attendance at the presentation, nor did we offer any type of promotional gift to you.

Gold Crown Resort is not in any way involved in sales or marketing. We are a travel and accommodation service provider. We were contracted by Premier Marketing Concepts to provide these services to their registered clients. After careful review of our systems, there is no registration existing in your name.

It is important to understand that Gold Crown Resort did not issue a voucher to you and plays no role in the promotional item that you may have received.

Gold Crown Resort is a separate and distinct company from the entities you have mentioned including Premier Discounts, Premier Marketing Concepts and www.ChoiceSelectionInc.com.

For these reasons we respectfully request that you direct any further inquiries to the appropriate parties.

Thank you for your understanding.

So Bryan called Premier and spoke with a representative. “She said basically the company did nothing wrong,” he says. All of the fees had been adequately disclosed before the presentation, and if he didn’t like it, he should take it up with the other parties.

Around and around we go.

I’m fascinated by this case. I agree with Bryan that this is a questionable offer, at best. But it’s interesting to dissect a pitch like this, peeling back all the layers to see who is involved. There are at least three separate companies at work here, apparently. And they’re playing off each other in a way that would make a customer like Bryan give up and walk away.

After he pushed Gold Crown to honor its offer, Bryan received the following offer:

We are in receipt of your complaint letter regarding the promotional incentive.

Premier Marketing Concepts, LLC would like to offer to reimburse you for any standard fees associated with processing the promotion; however please understand that Premier will not take responsibility for any upgrades nor additional costs you should elect. Any fees above and beyond the base promotion is your responsibility.

Lastly, reimbursement will only be made once we have received receipt of payment to be provided by you.

He’s not sure if he should trust this offer, and would be happier getting the vacation outright — no strings attached.

Should I mediate Troy Bryan's case?

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  • Guest

    You must be blind, read the article it said they told him about the payments upfront.

  • TonyA_says

    I thought we were not supposed to call each other names.

  • TonyA_says

    I thought we were not supposed to call each other names.

  • sirwired

    Yes, they told him about the payments after the presentation. Zippadee doo dah. But despite having his credit card numbers, Photo ID, and being ostensibly a business with a bank account, they will accept neither credit cards nor checks (or even a Money Order) as payment; only wire transfer, which is a Huge Red Flag, On Fire, Illuminated by the Bat Signal, With a Seal That Says “Abandon All Money, Ye Dollars Which Enter Here” in 40-point type. Seriously, any business that asks for payment via Western Union Wire Transfer is a scam. Period. End of Story. Even WU itself will admit this. (WU does have a utility bill payment service which is separate, and quite legit.)

    And I’ll ask a third time. If they are just going to turn around and pay him back, why make him pay at all?

  • sirwired

    Yes, they told him about the payments after the presentation. Zippadee doo dah. But despite having his credit card numbers, Photo ID, and being ostensibly a business with a bank account, they will accept neither credit cards nor checks (or even a Money Order) as payment; only wire transfer, which is a Huge Red Flag, On Fire, Illuminated by the Bat Signal, With a Seal That Says “Abandon All Money, Ye Dollars Which Enter Here” in 40-point type. Seriously, any business that asks for payment via Western Union Wire Transfer is a scam. Period. End of Story. Even WU itself will admit this. (WU does have a utility bill payment service which is separate, and quite legit.)

    And I’ll ask a third time. If they are just going to turn around and pay him back, why make him pay at all?

  • KaraJones

    I have an idea. Maybe Jolanda could lay out the money for him.

  • KaraJones

    I have an idea. Maybe Jolanda could lay out the money for him.

  • KaraJones

    Sirwired, you are just making me laugh and laugh today (“Zippadee doo dah”)…I even laughed again just typing it. : D thanks!!

  • KaraJones

    Sirwired, you are just making me laugh and laugh today (“Zippadee doo dah”)…I even laughed again just typing it. : D thanks!!

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Be nice, please.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Be nice, please.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Really, really shouldn’t eat lunch while reading this blog. Now I have to wipe off the screen. Thanks for the laugh, anyway!

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Really, really shouldn’t eat lunch while reading this blog. Now I have to wipe off the screen. Thanks for the laugh, anyway!

  • Grant

    If it sounds too good to be true… GOOGLE it! I just did… entered “premier marketing concepts scam,” then “gold crown resorts scam,” and found hundreds, if not thousands of scam reports. Come on, folks. Chris can’t do it all. You have to help yourselves at least a little bit. Here are the links…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=premier+marketing+concepts+scam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

    https://www.google.com/search?q=gold+crown+resorts+scam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

  • Grant

    If it sounds too good to be true… GOOGLE it! I just did… entered “premier marketing concepts scam,” then “gold crown resorts scam,” and found hundreds, if not thousands of scam reports. Come on, folks. Chris can’t do it all. You have to help yourselves at least a little bit. Here are the links…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=premier+marketing+concepts+scam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

    https://www.google.com/search?q=gold+crown+resorts+scam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

  • wiseword

    He’s mentally incapacitated, he just arrived from Mars, he’s eight years old. Or, there’s one born every day.

  • wiseword

    He’s mentally incapacitated, he just arrived from Mars, he’s eight years old. Or, there’s one born every day.

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    Because he pays the money to the travel company and then the marketing company will reimburse him. It’s still a scam.

  • http://twitter.com/DutchessPDX Dutchess

    Because he pays the money to the travel company and then the marketing company will reimburse him. It’s still a scam.

  • emanon256

    You crack me up!!!

    When i tried renting out our old house, my tenant insisted on paying me by WU. She insisted it was the only method she felt safe using. Insane! Perhaps that is why she stopped paying me after 18 months and I had to sue and evict her and sue her. Stupid is as stupid does. And I will never play landlord again.

  • emanon256

    You crack me up!!!

    When i tried renting out our old house, my tenant insisted on paying me by WU. She insisted it was the only method she felt safe using. Insane! Perhaps that is why she stopped paying me after 18 months and I had to sue and evict her and sue her. Stupid is as stupid does. And I will never play landlord again.

  • emanon256

    I think Jolanda Robbins is a troll. I looked at some of her other discus posts on other sites and it appears she is simply looking to get people to react to her. She even changes her writing style depending on the site she posts to. Kind of interesting.

    On a piece about an officer shooting a teenager who pulled a gun and aimed it at the officers she posted:

    Dis is BS, just cuz you carry a piece, doesn’t mean you wuz gonna shoot an office.

  • emanon256

    I think Jolanda Robbins is a troll. I looked at some of her other discus posts on other sites and it appears she is simply looking to get people to react to her. She even changes her writing style depending on the site she posts to. Kind of interesting.

    On a piece about an officer shooting a teenager who pulled a gun and aimed it at the officers she posted:

    Dis is BS, just cuz you carry a piece, doesn’t mean you wuz gonna shoot an office.

  • TonyA_says

    It snowed here today so I’m late to the ballgame.
    But let me get this straight.

    (1) Some telemarketer (called Premiere Marketing Concepts) calls you and invites you to a presentation at a Hotel. They also tell you that you have “won” a prize. Here is a sample invitation:
    http://www.yourconfirmationletter.com/Sterling.html

    (2) You go to the hotel and attend a high pressure sales presentation selling Gold Crown Resorts vacation club. I guess if you succumb to the pressure and buy a membership, Premier makes a lot of commission.

    (3) If you do not buy a Gold Crown Resorts membership and you try to claim your gift, you are presented some travel VOUCHER options (from Smart Travel & Incentives of Lake Mary, FL). See list here http://www.choiceselectioninc.com/
    None of the travel VOUCHERS are FREE. To activate them you must pay. In the OP’s case with wire transfer.
    If you read the Voucher Details, you will spend more money on fees, etc.

    So you essentially attend a high pressure sales presentation and get NOTHING.
    Now getting NOTHING is actually the best part. Since if your purchased something then you might really get scammed.

    Go home and call it a night and I hope the food was good at the presentation.

  • TonyA_says

    It snowed here today so I’m late to the ballgame.
    But let me get this straight.

    (1) Some telemarketer (called Premiere Marketing Concepts) calls you and invites you to a presentation at a Hotel. They also tell you that you have “won” a prize. Here is a sample invitation:
    http://www.yourconfirmationletter.com/Sterling.html

    (2) You go to the hotel and attend a high pressure sales presentation selling Gold Crown Resorts vacation club. I guess if you succumb to the pressure and buy a membership, Premier makes a lot of commission.

    (3) If you do not buy a Gold Crown Resorts membership and you try to claim your gift, you are presented some travel VOUCHER options (from Smart Travel & Incentives of Lake Mary, FL). See list here http://www.choiceselectioninc.com/
    None of the travel VOUCHERS are FREE. To activate them you must pay. In the OP’s case with wire transfer.
    If you read the Voucher Details, you will spend more money on fees, etc.

    So you essentially attend a high pressure sales presentation and get NOTHING.
    Now getting NOTHING is actually the best part. Since if your purchased something then you might really get scammed.

    Go home and call it a night and I hope the food was good at the presentation.

  • ChBot

    I think the prize is rather fitting for you since you tried to count the negative savings that they were offering you !!!

  • ChBot

    I think the prize is rather fitting for you since you tried to count the negative savings that they were offering you !!!

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    governments generally don’t collect taxes anymore, they get airlines, cruise companies & thereby travel agents/wholesalers to do it for them.
    Some charge a fee for doing this (I would).
    So there’s nothing wrong with collecting a govt/airport/dodgy TSA fees/dodgy security immigration fees/bend over tax.

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    governments generally don’t collect taxes anymore, they get airlines, cruise companies & thereby travel agents/wholesalers to do it for them.
    Some charge a fee for doing this (I would).
    So there’s nothing wrong with collecting a govt/airport/dodgy TSA fees/dodgy security immigration fees/bend over tax.

  • IrishStubborn

    My Grandson can’t figure out why I’m laughing so hard. Thanks!!!

  • IrishStubborn

    My Grandson can’t figure out why I’m laughing so hard. Thanks!!!

  • Extra mail

    Really? Enough said.

  • Extra mail

    Really? Enough said.

  • TonyA_says

    I would like to direct you to the FBI website: http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud

    The FBI clearly warns the public about telemarketing fraud.

    When you send money to people you do not know personally or give personal or financial information to unknown callers, you increase your chances of becoming a victim of telemarketing fraud.

    Here are some warning signs of telemarketing fraud—what a caller may tell you:
    “You’ve won a ‘free’ gift, vacation, or prize.” But you have to pay for “postage and handling” or other charges.

    Don’t pay for a “free prize.” If a caller tells you the payment is for taxes, he or she is violating federal law.

  • TonyA_says

    I would like to direct you to the FBI website: http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud

    The FBI clearly warns the public about telemarketing fraud.

    When you send money to people you do not know personally or give personal or financial information to unknown callers, you increase your chances of becoming a victim of telemarketing fraud.

    Here are some warning signs of telemarketing fraud—what a caller may tell you:
    “You’ve won a ‘free’ gift, vacation, or prize.” But you have to pay for “postage and handling” or other charges.

    Don’t pay for a “free prize.” If a caller tells you the payment is for taxes, he or she is violating federal law.

  • Joshua

    I voted no, because the entire deal was intended to be a scam from the start. There’s no point in mediating with scammers. It would be a waste of your effort that could be used to help people who have problems with legitimate but unhelpful businesses.

  • Joshua

    I voted no, because the entire deal was intended to be a scam from the start. There’s no point in mediating with scammers. It would be a waste of your effort that could be used to help people who have problems with legitimate but unhelpful businesses.

  • TonyA_says
  • TonyA_says