Did KLM lie about her ticket refund?

If you’re an airline apologist, you’ll probably answer Angelina Bellamy’s question reflexively, if not dismissively.

I almost did (and I’m no airline apologist). But this one’s interesting, and not as easy to fix as it looks.

Bellamy purchased four Economy Extra Flexible tickets on KLM from San Francisco to Stockholm recently. She decided to cancel her return ticket and ask for a refund.

Normally, when you cancel the return on a discounted fare, you don’t get a refund. In some cases, you should be grateful the airline doesn’t try to charge you for the more expensive one-way fare for violating its ticket contract — but that’s another story.

When Bellamy called KLM to inquire about the terms of her ticket, a representative told her that she could cancel the return for a full refund on the unused portion.

“That was the point for me purchasing the much more expensive tickets,” she said. “Otherwise I would have purchased the cheap tickets, canceled the return ticket and lost the money, which would have been much much less than I am now losing because I bought the expensive tickets.”

But KLM refused to refund a penny of her fare. The reason? Although her fare was “flexible,” it repriced her ticket as a one-way fare, ensuring it would keep all of her money. (I’ll let the airline explain in a minute.)

Bellamy understands the rules. She’s upset about the way in which the rules were communicated.

I was told several times by their staff that I would receive a refund.

KLM’s website, while being misleading about actually receiving the full refund, certainly does not state their policy about one-way ticket charges. If their customer service staff is misleading the consumer, they should honor those promises.

I have three different tape recordings of their customer service staff reassuring me I would get my money back upon cancellation.

I am furious about this deceptive tactic. Is there something that you might be able to do to help in this situation?

Let’s let KLM explain itself. Here are the relevant portions of her final rejection letter from the airline:

[Your] refund is calculated based on the journey you have flown (one way from Stockholm to San Francisco) and this is deducted from the refundable value of the unused portion of your ticket.

According to Article X (3) of our General Conditions of Carriage (b) the difference between the fare paid and the fare applicable to the scheduled route for which the Ticket was used, if a portion of the Ticket was used, less applicable administrative or cancellation charges.

Since you only flew one-way from Sweden to San Francisco, our Refunds Department calculates the one-way journey and deducts this from the value of the tickets paid.

In certain cases, as here, the one-way fare may be greater than the return fare purchased and there is no refund due; however, any unused airport taxes will be refunded.

Although I do not doubt the veracity of your comments and I am not in a position to confirm or deny that you were informed the refund due would be SEK32650, however can confirm that the amount refunded is correct.

In other words, it doesn’t matter what our representatives told you on the phone, or what our website suggests. It’s the fare rules and the conditions of carriage that matter here.

I agree with KLM on one level, and I disagree on another. Rules are rules. But if your own employees misrepresent the rules, then we have a problem.

And that’s not to say I agree with these rules. Recalculating the fare from a flexible economy class ticket to what appears to be a walk-up fare is unsporting.

Should I go to bat for Bellamy? I suspect I’ll strike out, but when has that stopped me from trying?

Should I mediate Angelina Bellamy's case with KLM?

  • Yes. (82%, 1,138 Votes)
  • No. (18%, 253 Votes)

Total Voters: 1,391

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  • bodega3

    Those call center employees are not trained on fares. They are order takers, plain and simple. For international fares, the carriers have rate desks that are there for just this purpose. Even if the res agent at the call center makes a mistake, the rate desk can and does over rule them if certain rules, set by various governments are not followed. International fares can be complicated. A purchaser doesn’t have to buy the ticket, but if they do, the carrier has the final say on the cost of any change. Any time you buy a ticket online, you should ALWAY print out the rules of your fare. We don’t have to do that in the GDS, as Tony explained, we have access to historical rules.

  • TonyA_says

    It simply means they will find a fare that applies to the FLOWN segments. In her case, she supposedly flew SFO-STO only. So that means they will look for a oneway fare SFO-STO on the departure date (the date she flew) and for ticket date (the date she bought the original ticket). Man this is so simple.

  • Michael__K

    It would be (somewhat) simple if the rule was precisely defined. It isn’t.

    Does the rule read any differently when they **DON’T** use the one-way fare and use the component fares instead?

  • bodega3

    What is a component fare Michael? Never heard of that.

  • Michael__K

    If your ticket is based on 2 oneway fares combined

    Fairly certain it wasn’t…. (if I could have gotten those one-way fares I would have…)

  • TonyA_says

    Sorry but without seeing your ticket then I am lost in space.

  • TonyA_says

    Michael:
    fare component
    A portion of a journey or itinerary between two consecutive fare break points.

  • jim6555

    The “lowly paid call center rep” IS THE AIRLINE to the customer with whom he or she comes into contact with. I’ve called airlines many times and never heard a recording that says “the employee who will be answering your call has no authority to provide information about ticketing changes or refunds on behalf of our airline. Answers to these questions must be approved by senior management. For more information, please call our corporate office during business hours”. It is my opinion that the call center rep. speaks for the airline unless the customer is told otherwise.

  • TonyA_says

    Sure you dialed the correct number and got an agent. That is not in dispute. But you likely will be talking to a person who CANNOT do the steps listed above. If you are trying to do what if pricing analysis with them over the phone, then good luck getting exact numbers. I am simply telling you REALITY. I challenge posters here to spend a day doing fare desk support and see how difficult it is.

  • jim6555

    Tony, my point is that once the agent makes a statement, he or she is doing so on behalf of the airline and I’m certain that a court would rule that the airline is responsible for honoring any promises made. The proper things for the agent to have done was either to transfer the customer to someone higher up the ladder or to have taken a phone number and promised that a fare specialist would get back to the customer. I’m in sales and am never afraid to tell a customer that I don’t know the answer to a question. I explain that I need to do some research and will get back to them soon with an answer. Essentially, that is what a “lowly paid call center rep” should be doing.

  • Mel65

    Well, darn. That’s what I get for obtaining my legal information from reruns of Judge Judy!

  • JenniferFinger

    That “canned response” from “sticking to the script” didn’t do a good job of calming down the OP, did it? Looks like the script needs to be rewritten and that person needs some major retraining in how to do his/her job-including not giving out incorrect answers meant to “calm down” anyone. That’s patronizing and bad business, because once that customer finds out the answer is incorrect, how likely is it that they’ll do business with them again?

  • TonyA_says

    I understand your point and the customer’s expectation to get immediate answers. What I am saying is that airline ticket accounting is a complicated matter and not something that can easily be calculated while a customer waits on the line. I am simply explaining REALITY and those who are not happy with reality should make adjustments if they don’t want to get mad.

    If you notice in KLM’s letter, they did not provide the numbers used to compute the refund. This is common even when airlines talk to travel agents. Very difficult to pin them down on accounting details.

  • Joost

    It’s always the same with refunds of one-way tickets. The airlines just keep the money!

    Many people don’t know it, but even if your ticket is non-refundable you are entitled to get a refund for the airport taxes if you didn’t use your ticket.

    It might take you some time to get this refund from the airline, but you can do it yourself. You can also outsource it to companies like http://www.re-fund.com for example.

  • Jessica Smith

    I said yes….but that is only if she can actually produce the recordings she states that she has. If there are actually recorded conversations with the airline, that can be verified to be with the airline, where the airlines employee states she will get a full refund without repricing the part of the ticket she was using, then she should be assisted…..it is all a big bunch of ifs though….