“You should all die”

Not the friendly skies. / Photo by wbav - Flickr
Bad flight stories are a dime a dozen, but every now and then, I get one that rises above the others. Like Michelle Vazul’s.

She and her husband were flying from Elmira, NY, to Orlando on US Airways just after the busy Thanksgiving holiday last year. Vazul was wearing her Penn State sweatshirt.

The flights didn’t go well, from a customer service point of view. Their first leg to Philadelphia was delayed because the crew didn’t show up on time.

“Our flight landed at the very last gate in Terminal F,” she says. “We ran through the airport as fast as we could. We arrived at the gate just as the plane pushed back.”

The Vazuls were sent to a long line to get rebooked on a flight departing the following day.

Once it was our turn, the lady we spoke to was laughing at us. We told her we needed to get to Orlando as soon as possible. We were not on vacation, we had an appointment to look at a house due to relocation. We asked her for a nonstop flight. She put us on a flight to Orlando the next day with a stopover in Washington.

Vazul says the US Airways staff was consistently rude to them. But nothing could have prepared her for the way she was treated on her next flight.

She’d pleaded with US Airways to change their schedule to a nonstop flight, in order to minimize the possibility of another cancellation, and they were finally rebooked on a nonstop flight from Philadelphia to Orlando.

On this flight, we experienced the worst customer service I have ever seen.

I didn’t even think about it, but I was wearing a Penn State shirt. I had worn it the day before and since we had no luggage, had to wear it on this day, too. We sat in the emergency row. The flight attendant’s seat was facing us. I noticed he kept staring at me and I started to get a creepy feeling but blew it off.

When he got up to pass out drinks, he started making comments directed at me. Each time he would pass, he would say, “I hope you rot in hell. All Penn State fans are baby molesters. You should all die.”

This, of course, was right after the Jerry Sandusky scandal had hit the news. I was horrified. I didn’t know what to do. I felt trapped.

During landing, he had to sit in his seat and he glared at me the entire time. I have never before felt completely trapped like that.

As soon as she checked into her hotel, she phoned US Airways to tell it what happened.

“They were not surprised,” she says. “They told me almost all of the complaints they receive are due to Philadelphia staff. They said they would start an investigation.”

Vazul gave US Airways the names and flight numbers, even though she had some trouble getting them.

“The male flight attendant had flipped his name tag when he saw my husband looking at it, so we did not have a complete name for him. However, we are assuming they would know who it was since they had the flight number,” she says.

A few weeks later, US Airways sent the Vazul’s two $50 vouchers for the “inconvenience.”

Vazul says she was livid.

I waited a few weeks to calm down and responded, telling our story, again. I told them at the very least, we deserve two round trip tickets for the way I was treated by the male flight attendant – not even taking into account what had happened up to that point.

I also explained that we had to pay for one night’s hotel and rental car fee plus an up charge of $12 per day for the rental car, because the one we had reserved was gone and there was nothing else in that price range. And to top it off, we lost the house we were trying to rent, because we missed our appointment.

US Airways stuck by its original offer. It hasn’t reported back to her on the results of its investigations, apparently hoping she’ll go away.

I have mixed feelings about this one.

Do I believe her story? Yes, mostly. I’ve heard stories of ticket agents laughing in the face of customers and of flight attendants flipping their name tags. In the wake of the Penn State scandal, it isn’t inconceivable that a crewmember would voice his opinions in that way.

Also, US Airways’ Philadelphia staff does have something of a reputation, when it comes to customer service. It’s not the greatest.

At the same time, US Airways did everything it was contractually obligated to do. The $50 vouchers were what the airline would consider a “goodwill” gesture. Although to Vazul, it probably comes across as another kind of gesture.

  • TonyA_says

    Gentlemen, what you are arguing really does not matter because in the USA, Each airline has its own policies about what it will do for delayed passengers waiting at the airport; there are no federal requirements. Source: http://airconsumer.dot.gov/publications/flyrights.htm#delayed

    So, JetBlue solely determines whether they will pay for your layover (hotel, food, transpo) if you miss a connection. They are required to publish their own rules in their Service Plan, but that’s it.

    A commonsensical answer to your question about when does a normal flight schedule reset, (as opposed to a continuous feedback loop of delayed flights), is it does when the aircraft and crew is already POSITIONED to fly a normal schedule. No airline is stupid enough not to maintain a normal flight schedule. You only make money and control costs when the system is operating under control.

  • Michael__K

    That’s seems like a failure on the part of US Airways not to publish that exception then…

    This is not about brains.  If I researched every angle of every single purchase I make and every business I relied on, and read and cataloged every available piece of fine print word-for-word, it would become my new full time job, plus I’d need to hire assistants.

    It’s reasonable to expect some minimal due diligence, but customers shouldn’t have to anticipate bad faith and dig for “gotcha’s” at every turn.

  • Michael__K

    If someone doesn’t know their rights, it’s like a role-reversal of the “too much change from the cashier” scenario.  The “right” thing to do is not to take advantage of the other party’s mistake/ignorance.

  • y_p_w

    I think that it depends on the browser used.  My usual browser is Safari on Mac OS 10.6.  However, my Windows machine is IE8 on Windows 7.

    With Safari, the box always resizes if the text gets long enough.  On IE8 it’s weird.  Sometimes I can click on another tab and it will resize the box, but it’s inconsistent (not happening now).

    My main problem with Disqus is that sometimes it will start running scripts that cause the browser to freeze until I get a popup request that a script is slowing down the browser and whether or not I want to stop the script.  However, that only happens when I run IE8 on a Windows machine.  I hate IE8, but it’s the only browser that I can use on a certain network.

    I think the Disqus format change was just a Beta version that they’re temporarily testing.

  • TonyA_says

    Their COC says they will close the boarding door 10 minutes earlier.
    I can understand what that means.

    It’s most definitely about brains. Travel was originally sold by PROFESSIONALS. They were relied on. Just because you buy your ticket from a VENDING MACHINE does not mean that travel no longer need professionals or brains. If you DIY, you are replacing the pro’s brain. It’s your problem.

    The OPs were professional photographers. She posts a lot of wedding pics on her blog. Anyone can let their brother take pictures of their wedding even if the brother ain’t a pro. But what can they expect if the pics turned out bad. I bet she would say “because you didn’t hire a pro”. Same thing.

  • Michael__K

    1) You can do everything right and use a pro and give yourself 6 hours for a connection that is (officially) 5 hrs 20 mins late, and then US Airways can still play “gotcha.”

    2) Do you use a pro to purchase food, phone service, utilities, banking services etc.?  If you DIY in these areas, do you accept that all concepts of fair play are out the window?

  • TonyA_says

    I am sorry Michael, but I no longer follow your trend of thought.
    Are you saying that USAir is con-air?
    If you don’t like USAir please do not fly them. Same message goes to the OP (but they were asking for FREE tickets).
    I cannot discuss this further and look like I am pushing one to fly USAir. For the record, I fly other airlines. My favorite inside the USA is Southwest and JetBlue. I will fly Delta mainly because they are dominant here in NYC.

  • Michael__K

    @TonyA_says:disqus : [cont'd from thread above]

    I have a very low opinion of US Airways after the AW merger, and I do avoid them, but that wasn’t my point.

    My point is that introducing a 15-minute departure cut-off — if that is not accounted for in the Minimum Connection Times — sounds like a very unfair and deplorable practice.   (Full stop.)  

    Whether a particular passenger uses a professional travel agent or not and whether or not a particular itinerary is a “good idea” is a completely separate and distinct topic.

  • Michael__K

    started a new thread below

  • TonyA_says

    In reality (as opposed to theory) the buyer will be presented different flight options. In the case of the OP, she will be presented about 7 options by USAir from ELM to MCO.

     25APR-WE-1A ELMORL ET ET                        
     1*A#US4131   ELMPHL- 535A 638A  *8 DH8 0E
     2*A#US 987      MCO- 800A1041A   8 321 0E
     3*A#US3671   ELMPHL- 715A 812A  *8 CRJ 0E
     4*A#US1020      MCO-1000A1240P   8 321 0E
     5*A#US4131   ELMPHL- 535A 638A  *8 DH8 0E
     6*A#US1020      MCO-1000A1240P   8 321 0E
     7*A#US3671   ELMPHL- 715A 812A  *8 CRJ 0E
     8*A#US1585      MCO-1125A 153P   8 321 0E
     9*A#US4321   ELMPHL-1210P 113P  *5 DH3 0E
    10*A#US 735      MCO- 355P 627P   6 752 0E
    11*A#US4506   ELMPHL- 334P 439P  *6 DH8 0E
    12*A#US 835      MCO- 600P 842P   7 321 0E
    13*A#US4178   ELMPHL- 643P 745P  *5 DH8 0E
    14*A#US 839      MCO- 835P1105P   9 321 0E

    Technically all these options that came from my GDS pass the MCT for PHL airport (40 minutes).
    The latest (last) option has 50 minutes scheduled connecting time. So even if USAir closes the gate 10 minutes early (as their COC says they may do), the connection is “legal” and therefore it is OK to sell.

    Now during the day of the flight, the actual flight schedules may change. The passenger may have less time (than scheduled) to make the connection. If they miss their connection, USAir will reaccommodate. If the next flight is the next day, who pays for the layover? Ah, this is where the problem is.

    We don’t know what transpired with the OP and USAir that night in Philly. We don’t even have a date so we are really speculating.

    Finally, if you peruse the flight options I posted you will understand why I suggested the 334PM departure from ELM. Sometimes it is better to PREVENT problems rather than having to fix them. Cheers.

  • jennj99738

     Emanon and Tony, Did we like the old Disqus?! 
    I guess it was OK when the font wasn’t the size of a flea. 

  • TonyA_says

     Disqus has 2 shortcomings:
    (1) Lack of space for multilevel replies.
    (2) Inability to send private messages (within the same forum).

  • Michael__K

    Tony, I sincerely value and appreciate your advice and expertise in these comments on how to (at least somewhat) avoid these sorts of problems!  

    My quarrel here is purely with what seems like a clearly unfair policy if I understand it correctly.  

    The “present at the departure gate” cutoff you quoted from the USAir CoC is 15 minutes.  If you search for flights directly on usairways.com, an itinerary that barely satisfies the MCT (by MCO).

    Even if I follow your advice and purchase an itinerary with a much longer layover, it’s entirely possible that my flight will get delayed and I will “arrive” (de-planing notwithstanding) 45 minutes before my connection (i.e. experience a barely “legal” connection).  

    If I truly need up to 40 minutes to reach the next gate (and I have a 45 minute connection), then I should be safe if I make it within 35 minutes, right?  No!  If I make it to the departure gate in 35 minutes, I can expect to be told that I’m SOL because I’m 5 minutes late for the 15 minute window — AND that I’m on my own because my connection was “legal”(!)  

    I think I would have a very legitimate gripe in that scenario even if US Airways can hide behind the letter of their CoC.

  • TonyA_says

    Michael, why do you think USAir does NOT get high marks like SWA and JetBlue do get from Consumer Groups?

    To be fair, USAir instituted the 10 min door closing policies because passengers abused their check-in policies which caused a lot of flights to be delayed. USAir really looked bad when it came to FAA/DOT on-time ratings. So they did this policy.

    I am a NERVOUS traveler (despite all the planning and information). I want my connections to be around 2 hours. But I also look at FlightStats first and look at the on-time and DELAY statistics. I pay particular attention to the STD DEVIATION of delay time.

    I also case the joint in advance. I go to the airport website and plot my route for the connection.

    If for some reason I must connect with the last flight out (which I always try to avoid), I plan for an over-nite stay. In other words I do some contingency planning. I already have a list ready (in pdf) of the flights I WANT TO be reaccommodated on if Plan A fails.

    I try to do the same for my clients. That’s why they come back again and again. I might be hard to understand at first (maybe overkill or crazy) but you must be prepared for contingencies when you fly.

    Acutally I looked at the OP’s possible scenarios from ELM to MCO. The only other option was Delta and their Connection Times at DTW were not much better than US’ in PHL. Beggars can’t be choosy. The OP was really stuck with USAir for this route. She just had to pick the best flight from your “least favorite” airline. Lucky me I live near NYC and have a choice between 4 airports. Some are not that lucky.

  • Michael__K

    Contingency planning is great.  Then there’s the matter of who pays the bill (you or the airline) for said contingencies :)

    If US Airways changed its policy to require you to arrive for your connection 10 or 15 minutes earlier, then their MCT’s should have simultaneously increased by 10 or 15 minutes.

  • Marie Sheen-Eder

    No other seat available?  Not a single one??

  • http://www.talestoldfromtheroad.com Dick Jordan

    I think “captive audience” (they got your money already) explains this kind of customer disservice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FC6URZR53LS75ECKPIN4A2BYWQ Eileen

    Why do people think that just because something happened to them that they deserve compensation?  She did the right thing, she alerted management.  They conducted an investigation.  They also got her on a direct flight to Orlando.  Her needs were met.  The $50 was a nice bonus and a “thanks for letting us know about our jackwagon of a flight attendant.  We’ll deal with it.”  She needs to go live her life and move on.

  • Campbell300

    Hope we would expect such a kind of incident will not repeat again thanks alot………

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  • http://profiles.google.com/saucywench S E Tammela

    While it’s frustrating, the customer has absolutely no right to know the results of the investigation. The attendant, even if he’s an absolute pig, has the right to be investigated in privacy, and professional companies simply don’t air dirty laundry.