Worst upgrade ever — how about a refund?

It’s a six-hour flight from Honolulu to Phoenix, so when a US Airways agent offered Blair Fell an upgrade to first class for just $350, he jumped at the opportunity.

“The agent convinced me by saying, ‘Wouldn’t you like to lie back and sleep?” he remembers.

But once he boarded the aircraft, he was surprised by what he found. “Not only was it a no-reclining seat,” he says, “but the first class was decidedly not present.”

Fell asked for a refund, but US Airways said “no.” Then he turned to me, sending me his correspondence and a few photos of the conditions on the plane. Here’s a picture of his seat (above). Clearly not a lie-flat seat — but it is in the front of the plane.

Fell says the flight fell short of a first-class experience.

The amenities were laughable. They offered me a basket to choose whether I wanted vending machine packaged cookies or potato chips. And then there was the breakfast: a box of stale granola, a few pieces of cut fruit (the only prepared food I was offered), skim milk. Period. That was the food.

The blanket and pillow? Same as you get in coach. A thin tissue of a blanket, and the cabin was freezing.

Fell says the only way for him to rest was to lie down on the floor. I’ll let him explain how he did that in a minute.

The grievance process left something to be desired, too.

“When their customer service person called me finally today, she was beyond rude, and basically told me, ‘You sat in the seat so we owe you nothing,’” he told me. “And when I asked to speak to a manager she said ‘Managers don’t answer complaints.’”

No doubt, Fell had a disappointing experience on US Airways. But I thought I’d check with the airline for its perspective.

US Airways’ records show Fell was traveling on a Travelocity reservation and phoned the airline the night before his return trip to the mainland to request an upgrade.

This is a 757 and a night flight so there is no scheduled meal service and no Envoy Class service.

All of our seats recline in first class and he does not state the seat was broken, which if it only reclined as far as shown in the picture might indicate it wasn’t functioning properly. We did not get a report of a broken seat and he does not indicate that he reported it as such, so we have to assume it was fully functional but did not lie flat like an envoy seat would.

Not sure where he found the room to lie down on the floor, as there is only room to do that in the aisle and galley (or by the boarding door).

Our agents called him and did apologize for not meeting his expectations but there is really no compensation due as he flew in first class on the return leg.

We think his expectation was that he would have Envoy seating and an international meal service, but we do not have an envoy cabin on any of our Hawaii flights. He does not indicate that he was told, in error, that Envoy Class was available (it isn’t on this route) so I think he made some assumptions that proved incorrect.

Again, we apologized for not meeting his expectation.

I circled back with Fell and showed them US Airways’ response. Here’s what he had to say:

I did not “call” to upgrade to first class. First class was sold to me aggressively when I called to check on my flight.

I first refused since I really shouldn’t be paying $350, but when I thought about what the sales agent said — that I could “lie down and sleep” on the leg to Phoenix — I called back.

The seat in the photo is in full recline and I tried a second seat. Same thing.

Per lying down on the floor, I did that in the bulkhead of the seats in front of me. There were only three passengers in “first class” and I’m only 5’7″.

They act as if we’re supposed to know that one sort of first class is crapier than the other.

They sold it as a “lie down” experience and I was not able to lie down except on the floor. Period.

US Airways won’t return Fell’s $350, but his experience offers some valuable lessons for the rest of us. Airline employees are aggressively trying to “upsell” all kinds of products, from affinity cards to business class upgrades. You need to ask a few hard questions before saying “yes.”

The product might be worth the extra money — or not.

  • mikegun

    …or learn about what you are buying before shelling out $350.

  • Cybrsk8r

    I voted yes, since the agent pushed this upgrade.  At the very least, the agent didn’t know what he was talking about.  Worse case scenario is that he was lying thru his teeth to sell an upgrade.  I’d be shocked if the number of upgrades sold didn’t figure prominently into an agent’s annual review.

  • MarkKelling

    Wow, my experiences are the exact opposite. 
     
    I flew Aloha a couple years before they quit flying and the planes were old, worn and not very fun.  

    I have flow HA many times both inter-island and from LAX to HNL.  Planes are new with some of the most comfortable coach seats anywhere, they feed you for no extra cost, the flight attendants are happy, and they have a great selection of Hawaiian beers.  And they cost less than most other airlines from the west coast.

  • MarkKelling

    CO always served a real meal in 1st on its flights from HNL to IAH or EWR that departed around 10 pm Hawaiian time.  Were still doing it last Thanksgiving.  Most travel magazines raved about this and gave CO high marks for having the best mainland to Hawaii 1st service.  Haven’t flown that route since UA took over, so not sure anymore.  That was one of the main reasons I always chose them for that flight.

     UA has started the “buy an upgrade to 1st” in place of giving its top tier flyers upgrades.  Just this weekend, they offered me a upgrade for $475 until 4 hours before the flight, then they raised it to $759.  Since even the lower cost was more than I paid for the whole coach round trip, I didn’t accept — but 3 people did.  And this was for a two hour flight, after meal service hours, on an A320.

    I will go out of my way to not fly US Air.   I have never heard anyone say anything good about them.

  • Sadie_Cee

    The tone of the airline’s response to the OP simply infuriates me.  I hope that I never have to fly this airline.  I know they are not holding their breaths waiting for my business which is just as well.

  • Michael__K

    In what time or place have consumers done more research on their purchases than in America in 2012?

    Barely 10 years ago, it wasn’t even practical for a traveller to research this stuff independently. 

    Now we can look down our noses at and ridicule people who perhaps don’t have the awareness to check seatguru.

  • BobChi

    You can “lie back” on just about any coach seat. If she’s trying to upsell on the basis of ability to recline a seat, the customer has a right to assume it’s something better than what he already has.

  • MarkieA

    Which is exactly what I described, albeit, tongue-in-cheek. The point is, you cavalierly state, “learn about what you are buying”, but from a practical standpoint, that’s not so easy to do, what with explicit, non-intuitive definitions of common phrases, multiple definitions of First Class, depending upon which airline you’re flying, and ticket agents who, apparently, are trying hard to up-sell their product because, obviously they’re not making enough millions with their baggage and change fees.

  • MeanMeosh

    Except intra-European flights are no picnic, either. “Business Class” on LH within Europe just means a regular coach row of 3 across with the middle seat blocked off. You don’t even get any extra legroom. Honestly, it’s even more chintzy than domestic First here in the U.S.

  • MeanMeosh

    The only time I’ve flown HA was a couple of inter-island hops from HNL to Kona and back on their 717s. Nice service for maybe a 50 minute flight – friendly FAs and a drink/snack service.

    I have heard, however, that HA has some timekeeping issues on their services to the mainland, and my sis and her family had a horrible experience several years ago, where HA delayed their flight in HNL and basically left them stranded in LAX to fend for themselves. I’ve made it a point to avoid their long-haul service since then – but this was years ago, so perhaps your experience will be better now.

  • MarkieA

    And your elderly couple had the luxury of leaving the store and coming back later. I’m all for smart consumership. And I believe that there is – and has always been – an element of “buyer beware” when dealing with any salesman. But it seems to me that, within the past 20-25 years, there has arisen an atmosphere within both the government and the retail society, an unprecedented level of “screw the consumer” mentality. You can argue that earlier periods in our history were much worse (the early robber barons, for instance), but I don’t think it was as widespread as it is today. Every company, every local municipality is actively looking for ways to grab your cash. As consumers, we have the ability and the weapons to fight this (the vote, boycotts, etc), but, unfortunately, this rise in anti-consumerism is accompanied by an unbelievable amount of apathy and ignorance.

  • MarkieA

    The comments so far seem to be running about 55/45 against the OP. I wouldn’t say that he’s looking stupid,

  • MarkieA

    In principal, I couldn’t agree more with your statement, Today’s society is full of people who think they are entitled to “do-overs” and premium treatment at bargain basement prices. However, I think there’s a difference between being held responsible for “reasonable man” common sense and expecting folks to become experts in a given field in order to conduct normal, everyday business. As I stated earlier, this blog is full of travel experts. I believe this skews the opinions somewhat. Earlier, one of the posters presented an example of an elderly couple being sold a bill of goods about an air conditioner unit. If there was a Handyman’s Blog, I’m sure the posters there would deride that couple for not “doing their research” about the BTU level of the A/C and its impact. Even though the “expert” (the hardware store salesman) presented the option as a good one. I’m not saying that the consumer should sue – and win – every time they get ripped off by a salesman – believe me, my opinion of the lawyering profession in this country couldn’t be much lower – but I would love to see some way of holding these companies to account for the underhanded crap they do. In the end, it’s up to us to do this, I believe.

  • emanon256

    All he had to do was ask the question, “Does the plane have lie-flat seats?”  That’s all he had to do.  How hard is that?

  • emanon256

    I could not agree with you more, very well said.  When companies do underhanded crap, they should be held accountable.  Sadly, that’s hard to do.  I may be hard on the OP, but I do believe that if the agent in this case had offered lie-flat seats and full meal service, I would be in favor of a refund and I would not expect the consumer to have recorded the conversation.  But in this case the agent simply said lie back and sleep, and the OP said no.  Then called back and said yes.  If I was the OP, I would bite myself for not asking the right question, and chalk it up to buyer-beware.  I would never even dream of asking for a refund.  I have been taken for a ride my sales people many times, sadly it happens. In the majority of cases it was my own fault for not doing the research, and I hold myself responsible.  I can always walk away from a sale.

  • emanon256

    I too hate this new UA practice of selling upgrades instead of giving it to elites as they publish as a benefit.  But I guess it makes money for them, so no stopping them.  Sadly, the offers seem skewed.  On a few recent flights with Mrs. Emanon, she was offered an upgrade for $60-100 range while I was offered an upgrade for $300-500 range.  In each case of this, we were on separate PNRs, same flight, 4-5 hour flight during dinner time. She is a general member and I am 1K.  It’s no wonder I never get upgrades anymore.  The only time I get them is when I use a certificate, and under the new rules of Mileage Plus, I get half as many.
     
    UA seemed to get rid of the meals on the red-eyes in late 2011 after the merger, but before the systems integration.  My last Hawaii – Mainland red eye on UA was in January 2012 and that one still did have full meal service in F, but it  was pre systems integration.  Sadly since the systems integration my DEN-East Coast dinner flights no longer serve a real meal, it’s either a hot-pocket or a salad.  Very disappointing. 

  • emanon256

    I love the menu!  So that was UA on a short flight back in the day.  Here is my UA menu from 1984 or 1985, DEN-LGA, about a 3.5 to 4 hour flight.  I was on an oversold flight and volunteered and got bumped to First Class.  I was not old enough to drink at that time and never even heard of caviar (I’ve still never tired it). But I remember thinking the Duck Ala Orange was the coolest thing I have ever heard of.  That flight was magical.  My first time in first class, and I didn’t return until the mid 2000s when I started flying for work and getting the occasional upgrade. Sadly the First Class meals now are like the old Coach meals were back then.

  • mikegun

    Right. So, how hard is it to research before shelling out $350? Forget seatguru, what about the carriers own website? It actually has a description of the service he received and makes it apparent these are not lie “down” or “flat” seats. 

    http://www.usairways.com/en-US/traveltools/intheair/envoyfirst/firstclass.html 

    Another click and you can see the service he really wanted…

    http://www.usairways.com/en-US/traveltools/intheair/envoyfirst/envoyclass.html 

    But of course, this page opens with the term “International Business Class” in the first sentence, so that should have been a red flag that perhaps it was not what he was going to get.

    This wasn’t one of those “you must act now” type of offers, he actually hung up and then called back to get it.

  • mikegun

    Hmmm…am I entitled to a refund from paying to see “Dinner for Schmucks”? It was promoted by the movie company as being funny.

  • MarkKelling

    Yep, last “meal” I had on a UA flight was a microwave burrito served on the new UA china.

    At least the cookie was nice and hot.

  • MarkKelling

    What he got is a standard First Class seat on a domestic flight (Yes, Hawaii is a DOMESTIC destination).  I see no reason for a refund of the upcharge.

    He states he was fed (twice) even though the flight operated outside of published US meal service times and got a pillow and blanket.  I think this is a lot more than coach got on that flight.  I have flown many airlines in recent years and none have pillows or blankets for any passenger regardless of which cabin they sit in. And meals are extra cost on nearly every flight on nearly every airline if you are not in 1st or business class.

    He also states he was able to lie down by the bulkhead in the row in front of him.  If so, that row was empty, so why didn’t he move into one of those seats instead of staying in the seat which has restricted recline?  I doubt the flight attendants would have cared. 

    I always am surprised about what people seem to think 1st class really is these days.  Filet mignon and champagne is what it was in the 70′s — but that was a whole different era.  All the American based airlines are in a race to duplicate each other, so whenever any one of them does something that appears will save them or make them money all the others immediately jump on it.  So we have the “1st class” that is not so first class anymore.

    First class still is something better on international flights.  But that is only because the US based airlines have to give something more or no one would fly them on those routes since the foreign airlines do provide superior service — at a superior price too.

  • emanon256

    Funny is subjective and based on personal opinion. Lie-Flat seats versus regular seats with recline are materially different. However, I used to work at a theater and was told that if someone asks for a refund and the film had not ended, they can get a refund. If it had ended. No refunds.

  • Michael__K

    It’s a 2-way street.  It’s fair to criticize a buyer if they don’t do any due dilligence and it’s also fair to criticize a salesman/saleswoman if they give a misleading sales pitch (with no regard to customer satisfaction).

    Some people seem to think that all the info now available online makes the latter immune to any criticism and makes the former “the problem with America today.”

  • Michael__K

    I don’t see where the OP uses the word “flat.”  I don’t think he necessarily expected a lie-flat seat, just a seat that clearly reclined further than an economy seat.

    Maybe the OP should have asked more questions; maybe US Airways should use a more accurate sales pitch and demonstrate an interest in having satisfied customers.

    If either one of these is ”the problem with America today” then we must not have any truly serious problems…

  • mikegun

    I disagree. Early in the post, the term “lie back and sleep” is used describing what was offered. Later in the post he is quoted as saying it wasn’t a “lie down and sleep” seat. 

    I think it is pretty obvious he expected a lie flat seat. No distinction is made in this story between lie back and lie flat, yet many posters picked up on that difference right away. 

    Sounds like he had a misunderstanding of the different premium products that USAirways offers.

  • mikegun

    What is misleading? The seat is wider, has more legroom and certainly easier to try to sleep in vs. a coach seat.
    Yes, you can “lie back” in that seat. No you cannot “lie down”. Since the terms are intermingled in the story, I would believe the OP (incorrectly) does not see the distinction in them.

  • bodega3

    Yea, he is looking stupid to a good many.

    He got a seat in first class and he needs to move on.  He misunderstood and that is his fault.

  • bodega3

    Yes, he misunderstood and is making a mountain out of a mole hill.  He had an assumption and isn’t the airline’s fault, just his.  Grow up and move on. 

  • bodega3

    Ridiculous.  There was NO lie, just a misunderstanding by a noice flyer.

  • Michael__K

    It sounds like the seat he got didn’t lie back any more than (possibly less than) a coach seat.

    There’s no mention of a claim about more legroom, but such a claim would have been slightly dubious too given that some of the  rows in economy have *more* legroom.

    And BTW even the USAirways website link you cite doesn’t say how much leg room or how much wider seats to expect (and notice it *doesn’t* even claim “more” legroom).

    And it says to expect full meals on flights over 3.5 hours between 8pm and 5am.  Given that this would have been a scheduled 5 hr 54 min flight with a 3 hour time loss, it seems to me that he should have been offered a hot breakfast, unless the flight took off exactly between 8:01 and 8:05pm (and I’m not seeing when such a departure time ever existed).

  • Michael__K

    There’s a huge number of people who cannot “lie back and sleep” at a 105 degree recline angle but who can easily do so at, say, 135 degrees.

  • flutiefan

     considering the OP called THEM, who would that upgrade be credited to, in your scenario? the agent who originally asked if he wanted it? or the one who processed the upgrade after he called back?

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

     I save all the Airlines Menu:  First, Business and Economy. It help my memories like a Timeline of my travel life. The Business Menu today not even match the Economy menus of Air France/UTA or SWISSAIR on Asia routes in the 70′s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    I save all the Airlines Menu:  First, Business and Economy. It help my memories like a Timeline of my travel life. The Business Menu today not even match the Economy menus of Air France/UTA or SWISSAIR on Asia routes in the 70′s.

  • BMG4ME

    I avoid US Airways at all costs.  They are the worst.