What would you do? Help, Delta Vacations has me in a holding pattern

Ever since Ruth Harris tried to book a vacation to Hungary through Delta Vacations last month, she’s had nothing but trouble.

First, a phone agent booked the wrong dates, she says — something she discovered only after Delta sent her an email confirmation.

“I have been trying to get it fixed since then,” she says.

Harris spent an hour on the phone with Delta, but was eventually told she had to speak with someone at Delta Vacations to get her dates corrected. She tried to go online to switch dates, but couldn’t. She suspects that one reason for the runaround is that she’s paying for the flights with vouchers that she received when she was bumped from a previous Delta flight.

So she went back online. The email correspondence between her and Delta would probably inspire Franz Kafka to write another novel if he were alive today.

Here’s a sample:

Harris: I have called the wrong place and no one wants to take responsiblity to help me get this fixed. Is is possible to have someone call me to help me with all this? I just want to have my vacation set up for the dates that we need to be in Hungary, not the dates that were booked.

Delta: Our goal is to provide the highest possible standard of service in all areas of our operation, and we regret that we did not meet your expectations on this occasion. We monitor performance throughout our company, and your comments will be very helpful. Our records show that your reservation was ticketed through Delta Vacations. There is a note in your itinerary advising Delta that all changes must be made through Delta Vacations. Please ask to speak to a supervisor regarding this matter. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Harris: Thank you for attempting to help me. I just got off the phone with Delta Vacations and they are once again telling me that to change my ticket, I have to go through the airlines. I tried calling the airlines directly, but they just sent me back to Delta Vacations.

Delta: Thank you for your e-mail describing your recent experience with Delta. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate you taking the time to share the details. The current time now is 05:30a.m., I contacted our Delta Vacation Department on your behalf and their office was closed. Their office of operations is 08:30a.m. until 6:00 p.m. It does indicate changes are made through calling them instead of reservations at 1-800-800-1504.

You get the idea. At some point, the polite form responses really do drive customers slowly mad. I’m sure there’s a perfectly good reason why Delta and Delta Vacations kept passing Harris off to each other, but if there is, they aren’t about to reveal it.

That’s when she turned to me for help.

Here are her options:

1. She could stop playing games with Delta and contact her credit card company, putting her deposit in dispute. She’d probably win the case, but the vouchers she used to pay for the trip might be lost.

2. She could try sending yet another email to Delta in the hopes that someone would actually take the time to read her request and help her. She might also try to pick up the phone. While it’s possible that she might get through to a compassionate representative who will take the time to fix this reservation, it’s just as likely that she’ll be placed on hold or sent another form.

3. She could appeal to a manager or supervisor at Delta. I list them on my wiki. A supervisor might see the email chain and step in to help. Then again, a supervisor might kick this case right back to the line agents who mishandled her initial request.

In a survey of more than 800 readers today, you chose door number three.

Good answer! That’s exactly what Harris did. She appealed to a manager, by email. A Delta representative contacted her promptly and corrected the tickets.

(Photo: Her bert/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • http://www.alluringinnovations.com Cassondra

    Poor lady. I hate that things like this happen. You feel like you are dealing with a company, in this case Delta, because their name plate is affixed to the “Vacations” travel agency when in fact you are often dealing with a totally separate company who simply uses the name plate and is owned by Delta. In this case the only way to get help is to start going higher and higher up until someone helps. It also helps that she contacted you and you featured her story. Not everyone is so lucky to be able to have someone like you to help fix their problems.

    Also, a little aside rant, I constantly see people who comment and say “the OP should have done this” but when we see the OP do “this” the seemingly same people will say “the OP should have done that”. Or even worse “the OP should just learn a lesson from this”. We have to understand and have compassion for people. Are there some out there looking to get one over on the system? Sure. But I think most OPs here have genuinely tried to do the right thing and with all the rules the airlines, TSA (and their international counterparts), customs, etc. have it is impossible to know everything for all of the places you travel. People count on the employees to help them and lead them in the right direction because that is the best “map” they have. Give them a break when it doesn’t go right and they need help from someone like Chris to make things right.

    Sorry for the rant, Chris, I just needed to post that for some of the people who read and comment a lot. Hope it doesn’t cause a problem.

  • Tom

    Points to a training problem at Delta. Easiest way from an employee standpoint to handle a problem is to redirect the caller. Pass the buck. Most effective way from an employer standpoint is if the first person who receives the problem owns the problem. If Delta empowers front line people to take control and solve the problem, Delta delights customers and avoids wasting company resources by involving many employees who only serve to pass the buck.

    By the way, empowering front line employees to solve the problem works not just for airlines, but any type of consumer service or government agency. When you deal with buck passers, you know the company or agency is poorly managed and squandering resources.

  • Allen

    The way I resolve issues like this is to call one, and when they tell you to call the other, conference the other party in. Then, you have all the parties together in the same conversation.

  • Raven

    Ah, Delta, my least favorite airline ever. Maybe I’m still bitter because they stranded me at LGA in the 90s over Thanksgiving weekend. Not for weather, but simply because they overbooked so many flights they just started canceling those to smaller markets (GSP) to send the equipment elsewhere. Their “red coats” (remember those?) began lining people up for hotel rooms and rebookings. They did so by “prioritizing” us: elderly, families with children, couples, then finally, people flying alone. In doing so, they were giving four rooms to families of four, leaving NONE for those of us traveling alone. Sleeping on the floor of LGA did not make me very happy with Delta but as soon as those rooms ran out, they just threw their hands up. It was joke, and despite a nasty email to Delta, all I received was $300 in airline funny money.

    I say appeal to a manager and be sure to post this story on Trip Advisor, this site, and any other consumer website. Delta giving a customer the runaround is pretty much par for the course, and any sort of bad press they can receive may warn people to stay away from Delta and Delta Vacations.

    Oh, and remember back in the 90s when Delta’s execs were using their free-travel/free-upgrades inappropriately? A number of first class PAX were bumped on one flight to make room for an exec’s son and his pals–none of which had upgradable tickets. Just more classiness from Delta.

  • MJ

    These days, many companies have pages on Facebook or accounts with Twitter..It may be a good idea to try to go through the social network to get assistance.

  • BillC

    I think all three would be in order. Start with an email then contact a manager if possible. If neither of these help then dispute the charge. Most of these transactions are recorded so it should be easy to determine that the agent made a mistake.

  • http://cestbeth.net Elizabeth Smith

    @MJ, you have a good idea! @DeltaAssist has been great for me on Twitter during Delta irregular ops. I could contact them when the phone lines were busy and the website was bogged down. However, I say it’s ready to take this to another level, to the top if need be. It’s ridiculous this customer has been given the runaround.

  • cjr

    “Ah, Delta, my least favorite airline ever.”

    It seems like anything involving the name ‘Delta’ isn’t worth dealing with.

    I mean, when you’ve got a story like this:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41740922/ns/travel-news/
    who would ever want to run your business responsibly? (Although, TSA bears quite a bit of failed responsibility in my linked story as well.)

  • http://www.singleparenttravel.net John Frenaye

    Delta and Delta Vacations are indeed two separate entities and Delta Vacations is owned by MLT Vacations:
    http://www.mltvacations.com/brands/index.html

    They pay a ton of money to Delta to “rent” their logo to brand their vacations.

    Did Harris redeem the vouches with Delta or Delta Vacations? Typically, this would be two transactions. The air would be “booked” or redeemed through Delta and the Delta Vacations package would be considered “land only”.

  • http://www.tvlleaders.com Dave Lovick

    If you would like to send me your reservation number, and contact information, we would love to help you out with your reservation. As a preferred travel agency with Delta Vacations, we may be able to help further without more stress and time to you. dave@tvlleaders.com

  • Bunnee

    These responses look like canned language to me, similar to the kinds of responses one gets from cable TV companies. “I’m sorry you seem to have a problem. Here is my interpretation of your problem and my suggestion for fixing it.” Of course, the interpretation is wrong and the response useless, but someone at a corporate level has decided it is more efficient to find a stock response that seems to apply than to allow people to actually communicate. I’d go to a manager in the hopes that someone with a brain will step in and stop the cycle.

  • LadySiren

    Given Delta’s penchant for killing pets (http://con.st/10015991 and http://con.st/10014574) and losing grandmothers (http://con.st/10016127), I’d have to give serious consideration to taking my money back and running as fast as I could in the other direction.

  • http://www.pamebouzoukia.gr/bouzoukia/posidonio posidonio

    i had a problem 5 months before with my trip but everything got ok when i contact with them….very usefull and happy to answer and help to my problem

  • turtletrot1

    I had a problem with Delta and got caught in a similiar run around loop. I finally got the address of the CEO in Atlanta, eMail address as well, and sent all the information to them. When I had not heard for a week, I repeated the process. I finally got acknowledgment of the problem and it was finally resolved in my favor! My advice……GO TO THE TOP! Have copies in chronological order of all pertinent documents, records of phone calls, dates, times, and who you spoke to. Postage may cost you a dollar or two, but well worth it.

  • BucksterSF

    I think if Delta (or anyone else) rents their name to another company they have a responsibility to resolve disputes. People elect to do business with these companies due solely to the name, and just saying “that’s their problem” should be reason for termination by any CSR. Of course that will never happen…..

    Paying with vouchers – really gives zero leverage.

  • bodega

    As John Frenaye pointed out, Delta and Delta Vacations are two different companies and it is surprising that Delta Vacations would have allowed the use of Delta Vouchers. If indeed the ticket was issued, Delta would require the traveler to address any problems with the agent of record, which is Delta Vacations. Many tour companies and consolidators issue tickets as bulk, even if the tickets isn’t from their bulk contract. This keeps the airline from touching the ticket and directing the passenger back to the point of issue, which again, is Delta Vacations.

    When making a reservation over the phone for a travel package, you should always be at your computer and request an email to review. Even if Delta Vacations allowed the voucher, they can store the information for the fare and send over the itinerary before you give them any money. Sometimes a ticket has to be issued right away, but an itinerary can still be sent for approval.

  • Jeanne in NE

    Just wanted to give a shout out to Dave Lovick for offering to help, and to bodega for his (?) suggestions. I appreciate the way this community helps one another.

  • bodega

    Thank Jeanne. What is important is that most people here are not in the industry and because they book on line or by phone they think they know who things work. People often take sides without fully understanding how airlines, hotels, car, tour companies work with the various outlets for reservations. When it comes to airline tickets. it most certainly isn’t a cut and dry situation, even though we would all like it to be.

  • ViviW

    Don’t you hate it when a company tosses you back and forth as this customer has been. The email responses would indeed make me a little crazy. I vote for contacting a supervisor at Delta Vacations and hope one is available and can resolve this issue. If not, dispute it with the credit card company.

    This customer was wise to put her problem in writing to Delta. Always better to have that paper trail.

  • Clare

    I had a comparable (but simpler) issue with an incompetent travel agent a couple years back. I emailed them the correct dates; they booked a flight for the wrong dates, charged my ccard, and then sat on the tickets for TWO MONTHS before sending them to me. By the time I got them and saw the error, the price of the tickets had soared and the jerk informed me that he didn’t want to pay to rectify the error. He just told me to deal with the wrong dates!
    First off, I disputed the charge with the ccard company, and they supported me 100% AND reported the agent to the airline company–they wanted the airline to refuse to do further business with him.
    Next, I bought a by-now much more expensive ticket with the correct dates from someone else.
    Finally, I sued the agent in small-claims court for the difference in the price plus court-costs. The judge threw the book at the guy. The court clerk sent the judgment to all the credit agencies (damaging his credit-rating); I myself sent it to every consumer-watchdog org in the region, and they passed a warning about this guy along to their members.
    In the end, he paid up. Here’s hoping he also eventually went out of business, proving that capitalism works!

  • DJP

    Screw this —just sandblast the VPs and CEO through email and get the problem solved. I have done it.

  • ViviW

    Clare – excellent job! It may have taken more of your time than the money was worth but you saved many others from that loser.

  • Bill

    Delta are absolute idiots and no one should deal with them under any circumstances.

    I am glad that the manager was able to fix it, but what exactly is the purpose of a “confirmation” email if the information is incorrect and you can’t get it fixed?

    I had an issue with a Delta ticket in 1996. That’s right, 15 years ago. Do you know how many miles on Delta I have flown since then? 0. ZERO. I fly 55,000 – 60,000 paid miles a year. Not one of them is on Delta.

    I am going to Atlanta this spring. I absolutely guarantee it won’t be on Delta either.

    Delta should refund 50% of her ticket price for all of the trouble and stress they put her through. Stress kills people and airlines cause way too much of it.

  • Ruth

    I am the lady with the Delta issue, but now I have another one.  On July 9th they went and changed our flight times and reservations.  In doing this, the type of aircraft and our seats changed.  Now I am stuck on an Airbus A330 instead of the 747 that we worked so hard to get.  I am very frustrated because Delta won’t move our seats back to our original spots without us paying an additional $160.

    Now I am very scared to take this trip as my son is a pilot and does not trust Airbus planes.  According to him, this plane has a terrible safety record and the people at Delta assured me that the plane would not crash into the ocean on our way to Amsterdam.

    After the terrible customer service in January, then this, I WILL NEVER FLY DELTA AIRLINES AGAIN.  They do not care about their customer service, they don’t care about anything but the money.  The supervisor offered me a $200 voucher for a future trip instead of just upgrading my husband’s and my seats. 

    If I want to get on a decent plane it is now going to cost me over $2,000 to change our tickets to fix their mistake.  This is just not acceptable to us.  I am so angry with Delta that I cannot see straight at the moment.

    MY ADVISE, DO NOT FLY DELTA EVER.  They don’t care about anyone or anything, but making money.

  • Ruth

    I am the lady with the Delta issue, but now I have another one.  On July 9th they went and changed our flight times and reservations.  In doing this, the type of aircraft and our seats changed.  Now I am stuck on an Airbus A330 instead of the 747 that we worked so hard to get.  I am very frustrated because Delta won’t move our seats back to our original spots without us paying an additional $160.

    Now I am very scared to take this trip as my son is a pilot and does not trust Airbus planes.  According to him, this plane has a terrible safety record and the people at Delta assured me that the plane would not crash into the ocean on our way to Amsterdam.

    After the terrible customer service in January, then this, I WILL NEVER FLY DELTA AIRLINES AGAIN.  They do not care about their customer service, they don’t care about anything but the money.  The supervisor offered me a $200 voucher for a future trip instead of just upgrading my husband’s and my seats. 

    If I want to get on a decent plane it is now going to cost me over $2,000 to change our tickets to fix their mistake.  This is just not acceptable to us.  I am so angry with Delta that I cannot see straight at the moment.

    MY ADVISE, DO NOT FLY DELTA EVER.  They don’t care about anyone or anything, but making money.