What to do when your airline tells you to shut up

Ryan Ludtke’s family vacation in Fort Myers, Fla., ended on a bad note when they flew back to Chicago on Spirit Airlines.

Oh, I know what you’re thinking: Of course it did. He was flying on Spirit Airlines.

But that’s beside the point. His return flight took him, his wife, four-year-old daughter and 18-month old son via a circuitous route, making a connection in Atlantic City. The family’s flight to the Windy City was canceled for reasons that were unclear — one crewmember said there was a mechanical problem, another said it was the weather in Chicago.

The next available flight out of Atlantic City wasn’t until two days later, and Spirit said Ludtke’s family would be responsible for all of their own expenses. Ludtke decided to rent a car, drive to LaGuardia airport, and catch the next Spirit flight to Chicago, running up a tab of $294.

He asked Spirit to cover his expenses. The response was vintage Sprit: It told him “no compensation or reimbursement is provided when flights are delayed or canceled due to weather” and then it added a phrase that I’ve begun to see with greater frequency these days.

“Even though you may disagree with our position,” it said, “there will be no further correspondence regarding this issue.”

In other words, shut up.

“I believe our original flight was canceled due to mechanical failure,” says Ludtke. If Spirit were a legacy airline, federal law would require it to cover his lodging and meal expenses and put him on the next available flight. But the airline’s contract of carriage gives it an out, forcing him to pay his own bills and endure a “long night with two little ones.”

I feel for him. I have three little ones, and as a consumer advocate specializing in travel issues, I’ve seen airlines fudge their reasons for a delay to weasel out of covering passengers’ expenses. Mostly, though, I’m bothered by Spirit’s hard “no” — a “no” that it wouldn’t reverse, even if I asked.

Spirit isn’t alone. When Chris Burr complained to US Airways about an involuntary downgrade on a flight from San Juan to Boston, the airline quickly grew tired of the back-and-forth. It offered him a 5,000-mile credit, which he didn’t think was sufficient.

“After thorough research of your travel records and our flight logs, I have found no reason to alter the original resolution,” a representative wrote. “We understand your frustration. We are considering this matter closed and there will be no further correspondence pertaining to this issue.”

“Looks like I’ve reached the end,” he told me.

Well, not exactly. When an airline tells you to shut your trap, you still have options.

Contact the cops. That would be the Transportation Department’s office of Aviation Consumer Protection and Enforcement. Airlines are federally regulated, and these are the regulators. If you can cite the rule being violated, DOT’s airline cops can ask the airline about the case, and if the carrier acted improperly, they can either penalize it or pressure it into compensating you.

Take them to court. If the compensation you’re looking for is below the small-claims court limit, you can talk to a judge about your problem. Anything above the small claims limit needs to go to a federal court, which is typically out of reach of the average passenger. One little caveat: While the airline might not bother to send a lawyer to small claims court, and lose by default, collecting can be problematic. I get a fair amount of requests from passengers who aren’t sure where to send the claim.

Call me. Normally, when I see the phrase “no further correspondence” it is, indeed, a lost cause. But not always. Although I can’t recall the last time that a hard “no” was overturned by yours truly, I will never give up. If I think there’s a strong case, I’ll mediate it.

Bottom line: Telling a customer to shut up — even if it’s an airline — is problematic. It is almost better to not respond to an email, and to let your silence speak for itself, than to instruct a customer to zip it.

Not only is it rude, but it also speaks volumes about how a company feels about the people who keep it in business.

  • mikegun

    Yes…plenty of diapers and wipes! We were seriously delayed by t-storms on our first flight with her! (Leaving home.)

    On the return home, it was uneventful. We had a young mother come up to us in the airport upon arrival because SHE was delayed outbound and had no diapers left. We gave her our extras and wipes and offered clean bottles, formula and bottled water (pre-9/11). She was so surprised and grateful that she stared crying. 

    If you run into a problem, seek out help from other parents with babies. Almost everyone has been there at some point. 

  • Jennifer Black

     Spit happens.  There’s nothing worse than being the parent who was (unfortunately) holding the kid when she spits up or has a diaper blowout.  Make sure you have a change of clothes for all travelers in your carry-on bag so you can change when that spit up happens on you.  It can be a long wet, smelly flight otherwise – and I know this from personal experience.

    I seriously second the “pack enough stuff for a full day” suggestion.  I was on a flight home from Maui that was delayed by 6 hours then diverted back to Honolulu in 2002 with my then 9 month old.  I know now that there is no milk to be found in Honolulu airport after midnight (there’s no formula at all), and there are no places at all to buy diapers.  Have 24 hours of “stuff” to carry with you, and start looking for alternatives ASAP if you are more than 12 hours into your journey at not at least halfway home.

    Ziplock bags contain dirty diapers, wet clothes etc. really well.  Pack a few.

    I found buying drinks for my seatmates often eased the discomfort caused by my screaming kid – even if they don’t want a beer or glass of wine, they all appreciate my offer….

  • Julie Northrop

    Since you will now be one of the parents that you love to complain about, I am hoping the next time that Chris posts about which is worse babies or overweight people, you will respond with more compassion and not your typical snarky nature.  However, I had to fly with my son when he was that age, and here are my helpful suggestions.
    1. Bring a diaper bag with you filled with lots of diapers (yes, they leak as I found out) bottles, and pacifiers.  The pacifiers will help with take off and landing when the air cabin pressure changes and hurts their ears.
    2. Bring Mylecon drops.  There is nothing worse than a gassy baby on a plane, and the Mylecon drops were a godsend for my son.
    3. Bring baby Tylenol drops for pain.  Babies ears are more sensitive to the pressure changes, and I found that the Tylenol drops helped.
    4. Bring things to keep them occupied.  Unlike a child that you can give a DS or other toys to keep them occupied, a baby will need more attention.
    5. Patience, patience, patience.  My son wound up being a great traveller, but I also know that many typically good babies at home don’t always fly well.  The patience part is not just for the baby, but for the people around you.

    So, now you are going to be one of the *entitled* parents (you may not think of yourself as such, but others around you are going to feel that way) I really hope that the next time you fly for business and you see a family with a baby flying and need to have special accomdations, that you will remember your own experience flying with your daughter.  Sorry if I seem snarky with you, but I’ve read your previous posts and I have never seen anything compassionate from you regarding families.  Hopefully, they will show you more kindness than you show them.

  • TonyA_says

    A big oops and apology. I was looking at 6/6 and 5/21. Need more roast and grind more coffee. Yes the status of that flight was unknown (meaning cancelled from Atlantic City on May 6.) Now let me find the weather reports. Sorry for the confusion.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    There are ways around that even in Texas.  If your claim can be divided into parts you can sue just for the parts that total under the small claims ceiling.  And in Texas the ceiling is a pretty generous $10,000.  
    (If this case had been in Texas and the airfare in total was over $10,000, I suspect he could have just filed for certain members of the family.)

  • AAmerican1

    You’re right, old eyes, my error.

  • AAmerican1

    You’re right, old eyes, my error.

  • cowboyinbrla

     I’m not so sure it would be that hard. Procedure:

    1. Require the person making the call to cancel a flight for any reason to submit the cancellation, electronically, with a “reason code”, before any other steps are taken. This locks in the “reason” so they can’t initially claim “mecanical” and then later switch to “weather”.

    2. Require that the specifics of the weather-related reasoning be submitted within X minutes or hours of the cancellation, also electronically. No “rain at destination” excuses; require it to be specific: “Approaching line of severe thunderstorms projected by National Weather Service to be covering destination airport before arrival (see NWS bulletin #XXX)”. Perhaps build in some extra time when the airline has to cancel 200 flights in a hurry all at one site. But the point is to require contemporaneous documentation that backs the decision.

    3. Let’s assume there are, say, 100 flights a day canceled on average – sometimes a lot more, sometimes when the weather is great, none. One person could easily cross-check the weather-related excuses against the bulletins. It doesn’t have to be immediate; just the fear of being held accountable later ought to put some fear into the airlines. In periods where there are a rash of cancellations, audit a random sample if necessary.

    4. Make the fine easy to calculate. It’s the total of what the airlines would have had to pay to refund all the tickets on the flight, x 5 to allow for some punitive effect. Payable in cash, not “airline vouchers”, directly to each passenger, within 7 working days of the determination of faked weather cause. If the average price for the canceled “half” of the round-trip flight was $200, 175 people x $200 x 5 = $105,000 per flight – enough to make them sit up and take notice. If that’s not enough, then ramp up the fine to whatever it needs to be, to stop the “weather” excuse for cancellations.

    5. Make appeals simple. No “new” evidence submitted; if your airline official didn’t bother to submit the information timely, then the airline is SOL.

    I understand weather can cause a flight from A to B to be cancelled, making it impossible for the plane to go from B to C later on. But that can be documented. If the onus is on the airline to prove the validity of the cancellation, they’ll get with the program.

  • cowboyinbrla

     John – it’s true that Southwest does a lot of that point-to-point flying, and some other LCC’s do as well, but not all (Frontier and Airtran, for instance, are almost exclusively point to hub.)

    Most legacy airlines do not fly many point to point flights except between a handful of large city pairs. Increasingly, the aircraft fly point to hub and back – the same plane coming and going to/from the same city pair. A-B-C flights do occur, but they’re typically balanced out with a C-B-A series as well – because airlines sell most of their tickets round-trip and know that if they moved a person from A to C, they’re going to have to move him from C to A again eventually.

  • lorcha

    I think we can agree that at a certain point, two conflicting parties may reach an impasse. So what would be the purpose of further communication after that point?

    Spirit has said that they have considered and reconsidered the passenger’s grievance, and that their decision is now final. What do you suggest that they do instead of issuing a “go away” message? Just respond with a form response every time passenger re-raises the issue? Is that really such an improvement over silence?

    As you pointed out, all Spirit has said is that passenger has reached the end of the line with Spirit’s internal complaints resolution process. He certainly is not under any obligation to “shut up”. If he can demonstrate that Spirit acted improperly, something that Spirit goes out of their way to do on a daily basis, then he absolutely should pursue a resolution via the appropriate regulators and/or the courts.

  • AAmerican1

    You’re correct in your example but if it was a single party and the claim was in excess of the jurisdiction amount you cannot reduce the claim to file in that jurisdiction.

  • y_p_w

    Their frequent flier program is odd though. One can actually take a flight for 2500 miles but the miles automatically expire after 6 months unless you have their credit card and use it once a month.

    I really can’t imagine Spirit giving out 5000 miles.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2NZAJ6KPWUWJV23TTE3TNBMJZI Trudi

    If the cause were obvious, like weather issues, that’s one thing, but it seems to me the airline was trying to cover their collective behinds by coming up with different reasons for the flight issues. Of course, you probably get a ‘he said/they said’ scenario, but sometimes not forcing an issue is sending a message of casual acceptance. Airlines seem to have very little responsibility in upholding their committment to customer service. I’ve been lucky with Southwest, but realistically I anticipate the day will come when they cop out of some promise. It’s hard to respect corporate America anymore.

  • Lindabator

    http://www.fly.faa.gov is the site you are referring to – and yes, I use it daily!

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thank you for the advice. I realize you don’t like my comments so I’m grateful that you replied with helpful information. :)

    Now, in defense of myself, while I’m generally snarky, I do have compassion for people with SMALL children. But my complaints and disdain are almost always directed at people with older kids. Remember the woman who wanted my exit row seat next to her teen daughter because “all men are potential rapists?” Or the family of 9 who complained they couldn’t get 9 seats across a 757 with a 3 x 3 config?! I mean, c’mon. 

    The only parent of a small child I’ve complained about is the one who decided to change her child’s diaper on the TRAY TABLE and then left the nasty thing in the pouch of the seat. Ew. Seat belt light was off, I offered (pleaded even) to get up so she could go to the lavatory and use the changing table…but no. She didn’t want to move.

    And, I openly admit to hating lap children because they ARE a safety problem. Your baby will become a projectile! Not to mention before age-verify, there were some pretty large lap kids.

    Anyway, I realize I’m on the other side of the fence now, but my dislike for bad behavior still stands. Hygeine, safety, and crazy man-hating mothers are still fair game in my book. 

    I don’t think you could disagree with my dislike of the situations mentioned above.

    But again, thanks for the advice.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Thanks for the info, Mike. 
    Well, when she was born, the doctor said she was so big she could drive home. But I guess that doesn’t qualify her to sit in Exit Row! ;)

  • Lindabator

    But they do NOT put you on another airline – it is how the low cost carriers tend to operate.  That’s why knowing those things ahead of time is important.  Sometimes the CHEAPEST isn’t the best VALUE!

  • Joe_D_Messina

    I understand the concept just fine. But many cases can get in under the limit even if the total damages exceed it, including one like this.  Point is, it’s not as limiting as it first appears.

  • Dave_Z

    Again, Spirit NEVER told anyone to shut up. One may feel that way, but they NEVER said that.

  • Phoenix Justice

     I think in the wording of their “get lost” is the big issue.  It is harsh and evokes strong emotions.  I would suggest this wording:

    We believe we have resolved this issue as far as we can.  Since we believe this matter to be resolved, unless new information is provided that reverses the resolution, further correspondence may not be warranted.

    Softer tone can do calm a lot of frayed nerves.

  • Lindabator

    Actually FAA has a live website that operates (I check it daily) http://www.fly.faa.gov — it will clearly show the airports affected by weather, and estimated delay times.  If a flight is scheduled from or thru that airport, it can be tracked to the end of their schedule.

  • Lindabator

    FAA already tracks that – http://www.fly.faa.gov

  • SooZeeeQ

    You can check the weather for that day and confirm if that was indeed the issue.

    If a sunny day in Chi Town, then go after them again with the mechanical issue.

    As bad as the the cost of the rental car was, it was cheaper than if they had stayed for two nights.

  • Cyn2

    If you don’t already have one, get one of those strollers that you can just pop the car seat into, and gate check it.  You may have to leave it with the gate agent at the door, or you may get lucky and be able to use it all the way to the door of the aircraft.  When you get off the plane, it should be waiting for you at the door of the aircraft, so you can leave the baby in the carseat as opposed to having to transfer her to the stroller.  It’s especially helpful if you have to change planes, as you can use the stroller between gates.

  • SooZeeeQ

    My grandson flew from SF to DFW when he was 8 weeks old so his grandmother could meet him before she passed away.

    I highly doubt that my daughter worried about everything you have listed, and all went very well, so relax.

    If you don’t, then your baby will pick up on that.

    An airline does not make a difference in passengers attitude’s if a baby is crying, so do what you and your child.

    An unruly toddler is another story, and even I would want to scream.

    Oh, and don’t forget to ask for your little one’s wings pin!

  • TonyA_says

    @elliottc:disqus 

    METAR(s) data for ACY and ORD on 6MAY between 5-6PM (the scheduled flight time of NK936) looks fine. Note: I can only access the last 15 days of Air Traffic Control System Command Center Advisories, so I cannot tell if the FAA required any changes that would have resulted in a cancellation of that flight. Anyway, I doubt it since the OP was able to fly from La Guardia.

    It sure looks likes Spirit cancelled the flight for reasons other than weather. So the question now is what is the DOT rule if the airline cancels (i.e. Spirit) your flight. Unfortunately, for cancellations, you have no more “rights” than what the carrier’s COC gives you. It is right there on Chapter Seven of the COCs:

    Spirit Airlines Responsibility for Schedules and Operations:
    Times shown in a timetable or elsewhere are not guaranteed and form no part of the terms of transportation. Spirit may, without notice, substitute alternate carriers or aircraft, and may alter or omit stopping places shown on the reservation. Schedules are subject to change without notice. Spirit is not responsible or liable for making connections, or for failing to operate any flight according to schedule, or for changing the schedule of any flight.

    Rebooking:
    When a customer holding a confirmed reservation on a flight will be delayed because of a schedule irregularity (including but not limited to, a missed connection, flight cancellation, omission of a scheduled stop, substitution of equipment, a different class of service or schedule change), Spirit will rebook the customer on Spirit’s first available flight on which seats are available to the customer’s destination without additional charge.
    Spirit will not reimburse customers for flights that they take on other carriers.

    Amenities/Services for Customers:
    Spirit will not assume expenses incurred as a result of a flight delay, cancellation, or schedule change. Spirit may provide limited amenities and services, which may be required by certain customers in order to maintain their safety, health and welfare. Amenities provided by Spirit are provided as a courtesy to the customer and are not to be considered an obligation of Spirit. No lodging will be provided to a customer on any Spirit flight which is delayed or canceled in the originating city on the customer’s reservation.

    So in the end, it does not matter what really happened unless the passenger is BUMPED or unless the airplane is stuck in the tarmac for several hours or the airplane crashes. There even is no point researching for the reason or history of the flight. You fly this airline at your own risk.

    All said, the complaint is still bogus since the contractual agreement between the OP and Spirit specifically states that the only thing Spirit had to do is reaccommodate him for the next available flight.

    PS. the drive from Atlantic City to La Guardia is less than scenic, probably better described as horrible. I know, since I have done it (both directions).

  • Julie Northrop

    You are right, I don’t like most of your comments, but I realize we’ve all been there when travelling with babies, so I felt your pain.  Just remember, that it gets better….I promise. :)

    I definitely would agree with those scenarios, and I would probably complain as well. I cringed inside when you posted about the teen daughter scenario. That was a little over the top for the mom to say that. However, I was one of those lap parents. Honestly, I didn’t realize that you could bring a car seat on the plane (I had my son in 99, and didn’t have the research skills I have now), but had I known you could do that I would have certainly brought mine.

    I too have my own dislikes with families sometimes on planes, but it mostly involves children kicking my seat for most of the flight.

    I guess it’s not what you say that I dislike, but how you say it that gets to me.  I’m not big on snarky, but what you just wrote to me, I definitely can get behind.  I wish you, your wife, and your daughter a safe flight.  I think that as your baby grows up, and I’m sure you’ll teach her well in your own unique way, she will become an excellent and well behaved seasoned traveller.

    Take care,
    Jules

  • bodega3

    Oh but the ticket purchaser is always right regardless of the rules of the fare, how the carrier operates and how hard they stomp their feet and yell at the airport employees.

    You know how it is.  Buy that ticket online and never get it explained to you how things actually work.  Just shout, it is unfair, it is unfair.

  • bodega3

    At 3 months, your GF will probably be holding that baby more than you think on the plane.  My DIL nurses the babies at take off and landing to help with the pressure in the ear.  She takes the nursing pillow and keeps it on her lap at all times. 

    Just wait until you see how much ‘carryon’ you will now have! 

    BTW, not all airports deal with strollers in the same way.  We learned this recently in HNL. Ask at the gate for their procedure, don’t assume.  Not sure how you find out the procedure for the arrival airport. I can tell you that UA in HNL is not stroller friendly.  UA in SFO is.

  • TonyA_says

    Chris, while I admire your sincerity and goals, I really think you are barking up the wrong tree. The US DOT does not require any compensation or care that the airlines must give passengers when it comes to DELAYED or CANCELED flights. I would like to remind all your readers to simply read the DOT Fly Rights section on Delayed Flights and Cancellations.
    It does not matter whether there was weather caused delay or a mechanical delay, etc. The airlines have the right to change schedules and cancel a flight and the only thing they have to do is reaccommodate you [~whenever].

    That said, the flying public can either be proactive by planning for alternatives just in case this happens; or lobby Congress to adopt a similar version of rights that Europeans have under EC261.

    Complaining about delays and cancellations when you don’t have specific rights protecting you (against it) is almost equivalent to whining. While you can take each and every complainant’s case with the airlines individually, it sure would be a lot easier if your friend Charlie Leocha, with his new role as a Consumer Rep in Congress, lobby hard for our American version of EC261.

    Respectfully,

  • lost_in_travel

    There are some really good replies here.   My son started traveling at 6 months and first flight was to Iceland.  If you are prepared, it can be smooth.

    1.  If you do fly SWA, pay the extra fee to get early boarding numbers.  If you are in Group A, you will have no trouble getting three seats together.  I much prefer SWA over UA.

    2.  Car seat is a definite plus!  So much easier if the baby has his own place.

    3.  Clean clothes for you area a must! You don’t want to know what can happen and perhaps, they will be a talisman for good luck.

    4.  Bring twice as many clean clothes and diapers for the baby as you think you need.  One flight I used everything I had (and I overpacked) Poor kid was nearly naked under his snow suit by the time we arrived.

    5.  Bottle or nursing for descent for landing.  Little ears stuff up and the suckling helps.

    6.  No toys that make noise – I watched an FA scold a mother and child who were playing quietly because the toy made a quiet, but audible sound.  Wasn’t that loud and the kid was quiet and no one else cared so FA must have had a very bad day.

    7.  If you want to pre-medicate later for sleeping (Benedryl ?) try it at home first.  Pharmacist friend had three kids with paradoxical reactions on a flight to Korea.  Imagine double expresso loaded toddlers!!

    8.  Zip lock bags!!  Wipies !!  You cannot bring too many of these.

    9.  Most important – a calm and pleasant attitude.  The baby will pick up on your demeanor so if you are calm and assured because you are prepared, he will be calm and quiet.  If people around you see that you are trying and are prepared, they are more likely to be compassionate.

    10.  A belief that it can all go just fine – there were flights when people commented to me that they did not even know my son was there. 

  • jet2x2

    I voted no.  I don’t think Spirit handled this correctly – the OP should have been given an honest answer and compensated if legally required.  Having been on the receiving end of helping clients answer customer complaints, I can say without a doubt that sometimes you have to stop corresponding with people.  So yes, there are probably times when any business should cut off the dialogue.

  • jet2x2

    I wonder how many times people who thought they were getting a deal on something and then got burned will wake up and stop using these cheapo airlines and online travel agencies.  The only downside is that we wouldn’t get to read about this stuff and it is sort of fun in a sick “watching the cars crash at the track” kind of way.

  • TonyA_says

    Raven, we had 2 (actually 3 but the 3rd came later) babies when I was still commuting Sacramento La Guardia.
    IMO, traveling with a 3 month old is easier compared to when she gets a little older.
    My first tip is FLY DIRECT (NONSTOP).
    I’ve never traveled with a car seat INSIDE the airplane. I always checked them. The reason – you will need an extra hand to help Mommy. Besides, we felt more secure with baby on our laps.
    How long is the flight? You probably will have to contend with 3 issues:
    (1) ear problems
    (2) hunger – breast feeding solves that.
    (3) colic – you’ve got to learn the magic that works for your baby!

    We just brought plenty of 100% cotton cloth diapers and used them to wipe, drape, and clean up messes. Take a towel (better those microfiber easy dry ones) with you, too. Extra shirt for both of you will be helpful just in case of accidents.

  • TonyA_says

    It’s me who needs coffee! Got down to the kitchen, all gone.

  • TonyA_says

     Carver, I think you missed one other small point. What will the OP sue Spirit for. From what I read, he made a decision to drive from Atlantic City to La Guardia (Queens, NYC). No one forced him to.

  • TonyA_says

    Sorry but this whole thread is irrelevant with Spirit Air. That airline does not promise any amenities as a result of delayed or cancelled flights. So they never broke their end of the contract.

    The whole bruhaha about whether a delay was cause by weather or traffic (or causes beyond an airline’s control) is important only if the airline BINDS ITSELF to provide its passengers lodging, alternative transportation or amenities if they caused the delay. Those who want these promises should fly United, Delta or American.

    I think it is quite presumptive that a very low cost airline like Spirit (which is proud to be the black sheep of the industry and charges for everything you can think of) should or will act like a classic and big domestic airline.

    When one flies Spirit, one gets what one deserves.

  • TonyA_says

    Chris, did you ask Spirit what they did for the rest of the passengers on the flight bound for Chicago?
    Note this is a RSW-ACY-ORD flight.

    The RSW-ACY flight segment arrived ACY on time at 3:43PM. The ACY-ORD segment was scheduled to depart at 4:55PM. But at 4:10 PM (ACY time), just a short time after arrival at ACY, Spirit filed a Change of Status to CANCELLED.

    This is an important question since Spirit is the only airline with a direct flight between Chicago ORD and Atlantic City ACY (as far as I know).
    Since they fly an A319 which has 145 seats, then we are talking about that many possible stranded passengers.

    Surely the OP and his family were not the only one inconvenienced by the cancellation and the rest were probably reaccommodated by Spirit on one way or another. If so how different were their fate compared to Ludtke’s ??? Was the OP just to aggressive in seeking his own solution so he decided to drive to LGA ? I don’t see the rest of the Spirit passengers complaining here at your site so maybe they were reaccommodated properly.

    I am not an apologist for Spirit. I just want to know if the OP did a reasonable thing.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    @TonyA_says:disqus Thanks for the insight. I should have thought to pull the CoC. You just reinforced why I will only fly Spirit if every other airline doesn’t go there and I can’t drive. 

  • TonyA_says

    I never* hope to nor plan to fly them.
    *they say never to say never.

  • bodega3

    Exactly!! Thank you Tony :-)

  • TonyA_says

     Exactly. Like x 100.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BJF5ZSELUNU6HQJWYESV6AQTWA Linda Jordan

    Spirit airline may be cheap, but the old saying, “cheap is the most expensive way to go is so true!!  Plus, they just don’t care about complaints and customer service is basically non existent!

  • MarkKelling

    First,  THANK YOU for buying a seat for your child.  This will make everyone (you, the baby, the mother and everyone around) more comfortable.  I wish everyone was as thoughtful on this as you are.

    Second, I would take SW. Status on UA probably won’t get you anything unless you are using miles to purchase the seats for this flight. The family boarding between A & B groups should allow for there to be at least a few full rows of seats to choose from.

    Since I don’t have children, I can’t really offer any advice beyond this. Hope the trip goes well and is uneventful.

  • TonyA_says

    Very good comment. Let’s see how this pertains to the OP’s case.

    Only AA, UA and Spirit (NK) operate scheduled direct* flights from RSW-ORD. By definition Spirits RSW-ACY-ORD flight is direct because the same flight number is used (even with the scheduled stop at ACY).

    If one simple looks at the published fares for ORD-RSW, you can see how cheap Spirit’s fares (lowest $98) are compare to AA and UA’s (lowest $262) before tax and fees . Please note that Spirit may have other hidden charges such as fuel charges that are not usually charged by the others. You must take that into consideration.

    06MAY-MO-238P RSWORD(FMYCHI) ET CT 
    1*O#AA1406   RSWORD- 310P 525P   0  3.15
    2*O#AA1458   RSWORD-1200N 200P   0  3.00
    3   NK 936   RSWORD- 136P 609P   1  5.33
    4*A#UA3453   RSWORD- 714A 930A  *0  3.16
        UA3453 OPERATED BY /SHUTTLE AMERICA DBA UNITED EXPRESS
    5*A#US7898   RSWORD- 714A 930A  *0  3.16
        US7898 OPERATED BY SHUTTLE AMERICA DBA UNITED EXPRESS

    **  MONEYSAVER  FARES  ** LOADED 11JUL 13:44EDT/11JUL 17:44GMT
    FMYCHI NLX FARES FOR TRVL 06MAY13 AND TKTG 11JUL              
     EDITS USED  SNS/BLKOUT/DAY/AP/EFF FOR 06MAY DPTR             
     LN A/L  F.B.C.  USD   OW       RT    EFF     LTK   AP MIN/MAX
      1 NK   R21Z5NR     49.00    98.00 19JUN12    -    ##  – / - 
      2 NK   R7Z5NR      64.00   128.00 19JUN12    -    ##  – / - 
      3 NK   T7Z5NR      79.00   158.00 19JUN12    -    ##  – / - 
      4 NK   V7Z5NR     109.00   218.00 19JUN12    -    ##  – / - 
      5 DL   TA21A0NA   131.00   262.00  9JUL12    -    ##  – / - 
      6 UA   KA21KN     131.00   262.00  5JUL12    -    ##  – / - 
      7 AA   QA21ERD1   131.00   262.00  2JUL12    -    ##  – / - 
      8 US   KA21KN     131.00   262.00 11JUL12    -    ##  – / - 

    Nevertheless, if the OP bought Spirit tickets on the cheap, then he should know why they are cheap. Spirit simply does not offer the level of service that UA or AA does give its passengers.

    For him to complain here later that he spent extra money to drive from Atlantic City to La Guardia to catch another flight is preposterous. He flew cheap and got cheap service. If he wants to get better reaccommodation, then he needs to pay the minimum fare the bigger airlines offer. Don’t buy a Yugo and expect it to drive like a Lexus.

  • TonyA_says

     Do you have a legal basis for your comment? – Spirit should’ve been forced to cover all of the expenses for this
    family if they couldn’t get them to their destination promptly.

  • scapel

    The airlines will not give out mechanical failure information. It is always weather, that is in another city and that is why this plane can’t take off to go to that city. How do you find out if it is mechanical failure or not ?

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Thanks to those of you who pointed out a few typos in today’s story. An early unedited version that was inadvertently posted, with some, ahem, issues, and everything has been fixed. I need more caffeine now.

  • mikegun

    Looks like several of us needed more coffee this AM. I wonder if Starbucks or Dunkin’ will sponsor this site?

  • TonyA_says

    Jeanne, you ask a very good question. The answer depends on whether you are experiencing the problem currently (in real time) or whether you are trying to research a case AFTER it happened.

    If you are a victim in real time, you need to know 2 things quick:

    (1) what is the airline’s policy regarding delays and cancellation specifically with reaccommodation . If you are prepared with alternative flight schedules and routes, you are better off since you can intelligently discuss with the desk agents.

    (2) what is the airline’s policy regarding lodging, transportation and other amenities if you are stuck at a connecting (or departing) airport.

    Since I believe you live in Nebraska or whereabouts (a non-gateway or inland city as we call it) then you are almost guaranteed you will take a connecting flight. You need to be prepared for connecting flight problems.

    I highly recommend you register for at least 2 services:
    (1) Flightaware.com and setup Flight Alerts for your specific flights. Flightaware will text your mobile phone for all pertinent status information.
    (2) The FAA’s AIS reporting system for your home airport and all the other airports you will be using. AIS will send you email for your registered airports.
    You can also access the same from your mobile phone here:
    http://www.faa.gov/mobile/

    Another important site to monitor is:
    http://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/
    You will need this to lookup weather info for the places you are going to. Learn to read METAR information.

    If you are a fanatic, then this site: http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/  will definitely provide you with deep information (especially re-routes) that will make you happy.

    If you are a road warrior type of commuter, you might as well read the FAA’s Playbook so you have an idea what will happen when the weather gets bad.

    From a common sense perspective, most inland passengers need to pick a very reliable carrier even if they will have to pay more. You can always check the airline flight’s on time performance rating using this site: http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightRating/flightRatingByFlight.do
    IMO the cost of a hassle is not worth the little savings one can get using a lousy carrier.
    ——————————————-

    AFTER THE FACT – for sleuthing or getting evidence

    If you need to determine if weather or traffic causes a delay caused beyond the control of the airline, then you need to see HISTORICAL data.

    For weather, use this site: http://weather.org/weatherorg_records_and_averages.htm
    This site keeps a long history of city and airport weather information including METAR(s).

    For FAA advisories (only last 15 days) go here:
    http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/advAdvisoryForm.jsp

    Finally, another important source of information is to read the Event Timelines for a flight. Register for Flightstats.com. When you display a flight, you will multiple tabs (Overview-Departure-Arrival-Event Timeline-Ontime Performance). Click on the Event Timeline TAB. Then read all the events that were filed (recorded) the airline, FAA and ATCSCC

    for the particular flight. This is well of fantastic information.

    Here is the link to the event timeline of the OP’s flight:
    http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlightExtendedDetails.do?id=262077098&airlineCode=NK&flightNumber=936
    Note: You need to be registered to view it.

    IMO if you have to research about a past problem then most likely you used a sh*tty airline to begin with.
     
    Note: there is an entry for an ATCSCC Linked Ground Delay Program, Link(s) created using arrival date 05/06/12 18:09.  That *may* suggest that the airplane was kept on the ground (and then cancelled) for a reason caused by Traffic Flow Management (at ORD). Read wiki on an explanation about Ground Delay Programs. Disclosure: this is beyond my pay grade so I am stopping here.

    Anyway I hope I haven’t used up the rest of your day on such a “insignificant” :-) topic.