Veteran frequent flier stripped of 46,000 AAdvantage miles — are they gone forever?

American Airlines knows how to contact Mary Ann Hall. And it does. Often. She gets fare sale notices and credit card pitches from the airline regularly, which doesn’t surprise her — she’s been an AAdvantage member since almost the very beginning.

But a funny thing happened when her miles were about to expire: American said nothing. And so, without so much as a warning, 46,000 of her hard-earned miles expired.

Here’s what happened to Hall, in her own words:

I have been an AAdvantage member for many years. I took my first trip on American in 1947 and I was one of the early members of their Junior Stewardess Club — a bit embarrassing, now that I am 75 years of age, but it shows the immense loyalty and affection I have had for American all of these years.

When I went to check on my mileage, which should have been around 46,000 miles, it showed that I had zero miles in my account. I called them up and was told that after 18 months of no activity, they cancel the miles. Then, I asked them why they didn’t let me know of such a “rule,” and was told they sent it to me in an e-mail, to which I responded, “If I ever would have received something like that in an e-mail, I would have taken care of it right away and not let my mileage lapse.”

I then told them that they send me all sorts of advertising at least two-to-three times each week, why couldn’t they have contacted me the same way?

Do you think that you would be able to help me?

Yes, I can.

I realize that I’ve been taking some heat in the comments of my site for helping people who should have known better, and that’s fine. But I, for one, buy Hall’s argument that American could have done a better job letting her know her miles were about to expire. I believe airlines intentionally say as little as possible about expiring miles because they want miles to expire. (And for good reason — the industry has trillions of unredeemed miles out there.)

I contacted American on behalf of Hall, a loyal and longtime customer. A few days ago, I got the following email from her:

I have had a couple of telephone calls from American Airlines today, the last one was at 7:08 this evening and was from Terra Clark, from their AAdvantage Desk. She was wonderful, Chris, and even will see that I receive my mileage back (a one-time thing, as she explained it).

Heaven knows my level of appreciation for your work in my behalf knows no bounds right now. How does one simply say, “Thank you,” to a non-emotional computer screen, when I am positively jubilant!?! Thank you, Chris.

I’m happy to help, and grateful to American for reversing its decision.

American could have done a better job of letting her know her miles were about to vanish, but beyond that, the airline certainly should have been able to see the value of returning 46,000 miles to someone who had been flying American for more than 60 years, when she initially contacted the company.

And Mary Ann, I’d recommend using your miles as soon as possible. Next time they expire, American might not be so generous.

(Photo: Anke L/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Brian C

    No offense intended, but some of us have better things to do with our time than keep tabs on expiration dates for all of our miles. At 75, I’m sure she has grandchildren to dote on, and otherwise sounds like an active woman. The fact that she had the know-how to track down Chris floors me. My mother who is a good 15 years younger can barely turn on a computer.

    I’ll admit to losing a good chunk of miles, namely for a United trip to Australia. It happened when I was a student and my travel was one big trip per year, because that’s all I could afford. Although I don’t know Mary Ann’s financial status, people on fixed (or borrowed) income take the best deal that suits their needs. I can understand why she Mary Ann might have not flown AA for 18 months.

    Airline miles are in my mind no longer worth the hassle. I’d rather use my credit card points for gift cards or merchandise–something that I can use when I want, and won’t send me west when I want to go east.

  • http://www.hotelwithheart.com hotel sweetheart

    @ Chris: “And Mary Ann, I’d recommend using your miles as soon as possible. Next time they expire, American might not be so generous.”

    This may be a negligible end note, Chris, but it sort of gave up the fight. I’d leave Mary Ann alone on her decision when to use the miles and not prompt her to use it asap, so she she uses the miles before these expire.

    Further I would push American to be more proactive in informing flyers that their miles are about to expire. Email is not enough; not all people check their emails regularly. I think American should make phone calls, in addition to the emails. That proves their sincerity to do customer service.

  • Janice Blake

    I have not flown American Airlines for years. I had 40,000 mls with them and went to use them only to find out that they had cancelled them because I went 2 years not flying with them, well now they miss out on all my flights as I will not consider them. I do not remember ever receiving a notice from them saying they were about to expire.

  • Elodie M

    Good for her if she got her miles back , because it doesn’t happen often.
    I just lost 160 000 miles with Air France and let me tell you, it is PAINFUL…It was my fault, I got the email months before and forgot about it, then I thought they would expire at the end of the year and in fact it was September… too late. I called and emailed and my 20 year loyalty didn’t change a thing. I am a little disapointed that AF customer service did not make any gesture and I may fly Air tahiti next time I go back…
    My question is: why do these miles have to expire?

  • Carver

    @Arizona

    That only make sense if you have a particular award redemption in mind that you are working towards. Many people simply allow their miles or points to dictate the trip. For example, a few years ago, Starwood had a Platinum promotion, 50 percent off the award redemption for nearly any Cat 4 or less property worldwide. My redemption was 12 nights in Rome and I coordinated my vacation to coincide with the promotion.

    I hadn’t planned on going to Rome at that time, nor was I working towards any particular redemption. Its just that but based upon the room rates, and the number of Starpoints I had at the moment, it provided an excellent rate of return.

    While I personally manage my FF accounts, I just do not see any justification for placing such a burden. They earned the miles they shouldn’t have to jump through silly hoops to retain them.

    I didn’t manage

  • Carver

    I think what really cheeses me about this is that in order to retain your miles, for the most part you have to spend money. By contrast. real accounts, e.g. bank accounts, give you a three year grace period, and anything, even checking your account on the web, resets the clock.

    So basically, you have to do moe work and probably spend money, to retain a FF account which is generally speaking less valuable than your bank account.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Carver – “I think what really cheeses me about this is that in order to retain your miles, for the most part you have to spend money.”

    This is true because the airlines wants its customers to spend money with them directly (airfares) or indirectly (FF program partners). There are some ‘activities’ that can generate miles without spending any money such as e-mile, e-Rewards, getting an online insurance quote, buying a magazine subscription with miles, donating miles and etc. Depending upon the FF program, there are so many different ways to earn miles with your normal activities (i.e. cell phone, eating out, shopping, etc.).

  • Wrona

    hotel sweetheart, a phone call? Really? They sent multiple notices about it by mail in addition to the multiple notices by email and on their website. A phone call was not necessary and in fact I would be perturbed if I got phone calls every time there was a change to a frequent flyer program, just like I would be upset if I got a phone call instead of something by mail notifying me about a change to bank account fees, etc. I prefer stuff in writing so I can actually see what the terms are.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Carver – “So basically, you have to do moe work and probably spend money, to retain a FF account which is generally speaking less valuable than your bank account.”

    That is probably true but it depends upon the number of miles a person has as well as how the person uses their miles (i.e. domestic, international). I cashed in 300,000 miles two weeks ago for three tickets with a value of $ 33,000.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ hotel sweetheart – “Further I would push American to be more proactive in informing flyers that their miles are about to expire. Email is not enough; not all people check their emails regularly. I think American should make phone calls, in addition to the emails. That proves their sincerity to do customer service.”

    Are you willing to pay more for your AA fares? If you want AA to call its FF members to remind them about their expiration of their miles, that cost needs to be factored into the fares.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Brian C – “No offense intended, but some of us have better things to do with our time than keep tabs on expiration dates for all of our miles.” If you don’t want to spend 5 to 15 minutes once a year to check on your balance, see when your miles will be expiring and etc. that is your choice. But, don’t cry foul and etc. after losing your miles.

    @ Brian C – “Airline miles are in my mind no longer worth the hassle. I’d rather use my credit card points for gift cards or merchandise–something that I can use when I want, and won’t send me west when I want to go east.” At http://www.points.com, you can always cash in\trade your airlines miles to a hotel loyalty program or cash in\trade your airline miles for gift certificates from a wide variety of merchants.

  • Mike P

    I don’t fly American (for good reason), but I do know that US Air sent out a notice a number of months in advance by snail mail letting me know that my miles were about to expire; along with some options to keep them. IMHO they did a decent job with it.

    I agree with others above, quit bothering with air miles they are almost impossible to cash in for anything now days. I’ve been trying to book at trip on United to Belize City or Puerto Plata for over a year.. no award travel available… ever. I generally fly internationally so I just end up sitting on a pile of miles that can’t be used.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Mike P – “I agree with others above, quit bothering with air miles they are almost impossible to cash in for anything now days. I’ve been trying to book at trip on United to Belize City or Puerto Plata for over a year.. no award travel available… ever.” I have never been successful booking reward travel on United for first\business seats for international travel; however, it is my preference to fly a non-US based airline in the Star Alliance because I think that the FC\BC products and services on SQ, OZ, LH and etc. are better. Since Continental is now a Star Alliance member and they fly to Belize, have you tried to cash your miles for seats on CO?

  • Amanda

    @ LeeAnne – Glad you liked the “nineteen-forty-freaking-seven” :)

    I’m beginning to realize that I shouldn’t read the “comments” section on any website anymore -it just starts to get under my skin! Chris’s website, thankfully, is one of the more civil ones.

  • Carver

    @Arizona

    Yes, the airlines want us to spend more and more money. But to hold my miles hostage unless I spend more money is unethical. At least the bank is required to send me a notice before my forgotten bank accont escheats to the state. Of course, my bank had no incentive to escheat my money to the state, where AA has an incentive to void my miles. Sounds like a conflict of interest.

    Sending e-mail notice that your miles are expiring would be a minimal cost.

    If AA must void miles then I would institute a few rules:

    1. E-mail notice must be sent every month during the six months before miles are subject to being lost.
    2. Receipt of e-mail notification without bounceback qualifies as activity
    3. Only accounts with fewer than a certain threshhold number of points can be voided. This threshold would be set at a level that it is reasonable that the owner has forgotten/abandoned the miles
    4. Miles can be reinstated for a nominal fee.

  • Joe Farrell

    so why can’t I get my miles back? I had 56,000 miles which American dumped this year after I did not fly for 18 months. Or at least fly American. When flying internationally, I tend to avoid the US carriers since their flight attendants for the most part are sooo friendly and love their jobs sooo much. The straw for me on American was being in the bathroom on an international flight in business class when the pilot turned on the seat belt sign. I finished my business and when I came out the FA gave me a snotty look and said: ‘the seat belt sign is on.’

    I decided enough from snotty F/A’s and said, “I ws in the bath room when the light came on, next time, I’ll channel the pilot’s brain waves so I know when he is going to turn on the light.’

    Her response was: ‘don’t sass me, I can have the authorities meet the plane.’

    I responded: “I dare you.’ and walked back to my seat and that was last time I sat in a seat on American.

    Back to our poster here. . .why did they resinstat the miles? Because she was little old 75 year old lady? Becaussssssse she flew them alot? Becausssssssse she bought full fare first class tickets? No -because a journalist / blogger asked.

    Yeah, Ok, hey, American, you took away 56k miles from me. i’m not 75. I did not pose for your magazine in the 50′s. I only paid top dollar for seats and used to be a valued customer. Will Chris go get ALL our miles back please. Lets everyone post their name and AAdvantage account number and miles that American took from them – he’ll get them all back for us, right?

  • http://www.angrymarks.com/ Kevin Fields

    Dear Ms. Hall,

    If you’re reading some of these negative comments about whether you are or are not ignorant of American Airlines’ policies regarding your account and miles, please allow me to apologize on their behalf, because, no doubt, they are too prideful to do so themselves. It is unfortunate that, as of late, when individuals have come to seek Mr. Elliott’s help and he decides to blog about the results, that some in this community have sought to discredit both the individual for seeking assistance, and Mr. Elliott for providing the assistance.

    Perhaps I was mistaken, but I thought that the part of the point of Mr. Elliott’s services was to try to help provide resolutions when individuals cannot get resolve the situation themselves, or who refuse to accept poor service and feel that they should be treated better. Maybe Mr. Elliott’s only purpose should be to post snark about the travel industry and pretend that he’s better than everybody else. God only knows that we need MORE people like that on the Internet.

    Kindest Regards,
    –k

  • Mike P

    @Arizona Road Warrior – No I haven’t tried to cash in my United miles for a Continental flight, honestly I didn’t even realize you could do that. I figured if you accumulated your miles in a United account you needed to use them on United. I knew you could accumulate miles on other carriers and deposit those miles in any miles account as long as that airline is a member of the Star Alliance members. I’d prefer to fly Continental anyway, they are by far the better of the two airlines. I’ll give Continental a call and see what they can do. I have over 64,000 miles rotting in an account that I’d like to use…. Thanks!

  • Lee F.

    Coincidentally, I received a voicemail from a woman at AAdvantage on Saturday (2/27/2010). She (kindly) said my miles were about to expire because of 18 months of inactivity, and that I should call AAdvantage right away. I didn’t feel like calling back, so I went online to the AA Web site and found I could get 100 AAdvantage miles for signing up for a Points.com account. I could have also done some other things for miles, but this seemed like the easiest option.

    Regardless, I was VERY impressed that I got a call from AAdvantage. Sure, I get plenty of e-mails from the airline. And, if I had received an e-mail about my miles expiring, I may have ignored it. Thanks AAdvantage.

    Please note, I am not employed by or affiliated with Points.com or AAdvantage. Just figured I’d throw that out there!

  • y_p_w

    I guess some are asking what can you get with miles these days?

    I actually used several miles accumulated by my family on one RT to Asia on United. I figured we didn’t fly enough to get anything, but 5000 miles was actually enough for an interisland flight on Hawaiian Airlines (which was a United partner). Still – they charged a $25 fee per passenger to cash in on the miles and I think I ended up spending 45 minutes with an operator at some call center in India. The fares vary, but sometimes they can be had for as low as $59.

  • Allan

    I just called AA and they made me an offer instantly. The offer is if I fly in the next 12 months and earn 750 miles, I will get 50,000 miles back. I have to do more miles to get back the next 50,000 miles back.

    There other ways involving citi bank but that was not of interest to me.

    I feel a lot better about AA. (not alcoholics anonymous)

  • Steve

    “I think the expiration of miles is basically theft from the frequent flier. It reminds me of “gift cards” that devalue over time when they aren’t used. I paid to earn those miles, they should be mine, regardless if I use them in 18 months or 18 years.”

    Sean, I feel the same way. While I recognize that the airlines are legally free to set up their programs however they like, I think expiration dates stink. As you said…I paid for those miles (either by buying a ticket or other transactions) and they should be mine. What’s most ridiculous is that the longer you hold on to miles and don’t redeem them, the more the airline benefits. 46,000 FF miles were worth a lot more 10 years ago than they are now, and I’m sure they’ll be worth even less 10 years from now.

    I think the shenanigans that some companies pull with their points end up hurting them worse than if they just didn’t have any “loyalty” programs to begin with. The reason for giving out points/FF miles should be to generate goodwill which should translate into extra business, no? How does it generate business to dangle them in front of someone only to snatch them back due to an arbitrary expiration date?

    I commend the Holiday Inn brand for making their Priority Club points never expire (even though as someone who almost always stays at a Priority Club hotel several times a year, it wouldn’t affect me anyway). That’s the way a loyalty program should be.

  • José

    Fact is, AAdvantage miles started expiring after July 1, 1989, so this is nothing new (“old” miles earned prior to that and unused never expire and have special awards available – they are very valuable). AA miles began expiring after 18 months (instead of the previous 36 months) as of December 15, 2007; a veritable blizzard of e-mails went out announcing that fact. Any qualifying activity keeps the account active (“Miles must be credited to, or redeemed from, your account for it to remain active”) – a few miles earned on a rental car, hotel stay, shopping portal purchase, donation to the USO, registering a credit card for AAdvantage Dining and eating, credit card miles, you name it, it all works. If you have miles, points, etc. take the time to visit the program’s website and review the Terms and Conditions – that’s the only way you can be sure you meet T&Cs and don’t get sucker-punched. Many programs (including AAdvantage) have ways of reactivating lost miles or points, but they may cost money; you may be able to negotiate their return if you have a pending booking, as well. Stay aware and informed – don’t ignore e-mails, and don’t let them win by default.

  • http://mandel.jerry1@gmail.com Geraud (Jerry) N Mandel

    The monthly account statements clearly show the expiration dates for miles.

  • http://Www.pegyjane.com Peggy

    I too hate the expiring miles and am going to have to figure out what to do with mine soon because I am going to close the bank account that I was earning miles through. The thing is, on every statement you get, they list you miles expiring and expiration date. We do have to look out for ourselves sometimes! I think it is nice that you want to help people but American did nothing wrong…they told her every month for 18 months how many miles would expire and on what day. 18 times is a lot…she chose not to pay attention. Also, when they changed the plan to allow points to expire they made a HUGE deal about it and made sure you knew it was happening. Finally, 18 months is a long time to allow you to go without activity and still be considered a frequent flyer. The are multitudes of companies that give air miles so you don’t even have to travel to get them. She should have paid attention or, if she didn’t travel regularly, use one of the companies that give you miles for using them. Even if they had told her, she would probably not have flown just to use them. She sounds like a savvy 75 yr old…stop acting like she is the victim of a scam!

  • http://Www.pegyjane.com Peggy

    One more thing…to Steve. You didn’t pay for any of your miles! You paid for a flight from point a to point b. Air miles are a gift from the airline for choosing to use their services. That gift is given in anticipation that you will use their services over and over. If you aren’t using their services (or at least one of the tons of other options of earning miles) for over 18 months, you are not a frequent flyer! There is a cost to maintaining the frequent flyer program and, if you aren’t a frequent flyer, you are just wasting there time and money! Enjoy what ever you paid for and stop whining about the miles!

  • Carver

    @Peggy

    I respectfully disagree with your analysis of a frequent flier program.

    1. The Miles are not a gift. A gift is something that you get for free. If you got them for flying you paid for them. Consider, I am flying to North Carolina. There are several direct routes, however, to earn miles I am flying on American which does not have a direct flight to from California to North Carolina, nor is it the cheapest. So I am paying for miles miles in time and cash.

    2. What cost does an infrequent flier impose on the system. All those e-mails?

    3. 18 months is not necessarily a long time. My parents are teachers. Teachers traditionally do all of their flying during summer. Some teachers fly like crazy during the summer. My parents are very elite travelers with American. Yet, were they to miss a summer, 24 months would go by.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1009682859 Barbara Snitzer

    How was he able to do it?