United Airlines promised me two first class tickets — where are they?

Dude, where are my first-class tickets? / Photo - Tipek US Air
In the customer service world, a first-class, roundtrip ticket anywhere the airline flies is the ultimate mea culpa — an airline’s way of saying, “We’re really sorry.”

And United Airlines promised Charles Rosenthal and his girlfriend two of them after canceling their flight from Palm Springs, Calif., to Los Angeles recently. But the tickets never arrived, and my inquiries to United have had disappointing results. Do I need to push harder, or let this one go?

Here are a few details. The couple was scheduled to fly back to Portland from Palm Springs on April 23. The first leg of their flight, from Palm Springs to Los Angeles, was United flight 6477, which was operated by United Express and SkyWest.

“When we arrived at the airport, we were informed by the SkyWest representative behind the counter that our flight to Los Angeles did not exist,” he says. “When we asked for clarification, she was unable to give us any. We then asked why we had received no prior notification of such a schedule change. Instead of reconciling the situation, the arrogant service representative blamed us for ‘not checking the flight status prior to departing for the airport.’”

Rosenthal says he politely asked for a supervisor, but none was available.

“Totally baffled, we explained to the representative that we are a working couple and cannot afford to miss another day of work, let alone another night in an expensive Palm Springs hotel,” he says.

The SkyWest representative said she could reroute them through Denver, but with a 20-minute stopover. They’d probably miss their connection to Portland and spend the night in Denver. Rosenthal and his girlfriend chose to remain in Palm Springs for the evening and fly to Portland the next day.

“Upon asking the representative if she could offer us any vouchers for a hotel and food, she informed us that she did not have the authority to issue vouchers, and that we should contact United Airlines directly,” he says. “Not only were we stranded, left to jump through hoops, but were also forced to foot the bill for our food and lodging for an extra 24 hours in Palm Springs. This was not cheap, to say the least.”

So he phoned United and explained what happened. A sympathetic representative named Rochelle helped him.

Rochelle explained that she could not comp our considerable food and lodging costs, but that she could give us “two, transferable, first-class international or domestic ticket vouchers to anywhere United flies.”

She then clarified that the vouchers are “good for a round-trip flight.” After several minutes of clarification, she had me convinced that the vouchers were legitimate. While she could not send me an email confirmation, she gave me the PIN numbers (982AF78 and 698K194) for each of the vouchers and assured me that they would be mailed to my home address.

Content that United Airlines Customer Service had handled the situation with grace and dignity, I said goodbye to Rochelle.

Let me add one small observation to this. I’ve been mediating airline cases for a long time, and I’ve heard about the mythical first-class tickets “anywhere the airline flies” but I’ve never actually seen an airline come through with it. I’m sure it happens, but never to one of my cases. Not once.

And wouldn’t you know it, those vouchers never showed up. So Rosenthal called again.

“I was utterly astounded when she told me that each voucher was only good for $100 towards a United Airlines domestic flight,” he says. “$200 in domestic flight vouchers? We had been duped. Not only were we lied to and taken advantage of, but the $200 in vouchers wasn’t even enough to cover our extra night in a Palm Springs hotel, let alone food costs and the missed opportunity cost of not being able to attend work on April 24. What a slap in the face!”

That didn’t sound right to me. If, as Rosenthal says, United canceled his flight, it should have covered his overnight accommodations in Palm Springs and issued meal vouchers. If it simply rescheduled the flight for another time, then technically he missed the flight and would be entitled to nothing.

I asked United Airlines to look into his case. A few days later, Rosenthal sent me the following update:

Today, I received an automated form letter via email from United which entitled myself and my travel partner to a further $150 in flight vouchers. This brings the issued grand total of vouchers to $800 ($100+$150+$150=$400 per person).

This falls far short of their promise and the amount of money we lost from the flight bump (not to mention the legal required amount of compensation for an involuntary flight bump.) I replied to the email to let them know that I could not accept the vouchers unless they met their promised amount of compensation.

How do you recommend I proceed? They are clearly not taking my complaints seriously.

I guess I have two options: To push for more compensation or to let this one go. I’m not sure how to proceed.

I know there are other advocates out there in the journalism world that would call United and tell it what to do. I actually saw that happen once with this airline and another newspaper reporter. That’s not how I operate.

I’d be interested in hearing the call center recording. If Rosenthal is correct, then he’s entitled to the first-class vouchers. If not, and if it turns out that United just rescheduled his flight, then he’s already received more than he deserves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.brakebill.5 David Brakebill

    I’ve never had a major issue with CO/UA if I was flying a mainline flight, it’s always been their “connection” And Silver Air (flying mostly FL and the Carribean) has got to be the worst. They fly small planes, (19 seat Beechcraft) so it’s nearly impossible to get a reward seat (“can’t you just drive to FLL? We can get you out there”–HELL no, it’s a 4 1/2 hr drive! And what’s the point of your loyalty program) I know Chris, don’t get you started on those…as much as I HATE MIA, American seems pretty consistent for me and I can always get a reward seat…but as someone else mentioned, a merger between US /AA would be a DISASTER!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Hey, I’m happy it worked out for you, but it could just as easily of been podunkville as Paris.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Hey, I’m happy it worked out for you, but it could just as easily of been podunkville as Paris.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I can’t speak specifically to airlines as they operate in the Twilight Zone.  But in general employees cannot bind a company outside of their actual authority.  Higher up in the food chain, the law implies what is known as apparent authority.  That means, would the other side reasonable believe, under the totality of the circumstances, that the employee has the authority to bind the company.

    For example, at my company, I’m one of the officers, and my title reflects that fact.  I signed a lease for new corporate space.  Had I overstepped my authority, the contract would have been binding due to my title, the fact that I negotiated the lease, and that the CEO was standing right next to me as I signed the lease. The totality of the circumstances suggested the authority.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I can’t speak specifically to airlines as they operate in the Twilight Zone.  But in general employees cannot bind a company outside of their actual authority.  Higher up in the food chain, the law implies what is known as apparent authority.  That means, would the other side reasonable believe, under the totality of the circumstances, that the employee has the authority to bind the company.

    For example, at my company, I’m one of the officers, and my title reflects that fact.  I signed a lease for new corporate space.  Had I overstepped my authority, the contract would have been binding due to my title, the fact that I negotiated the lease, and that the CEO was standing right next to me as I signed the lease. The totality of the circumstances suggested the authority.

  • Raven_Altosk

    LOL!
    You mean, you didn’t promise that family of six headed to Di$ney free upgrades both ways, free tickets anywhere your airline flies, and gold-plated airline wings for the kids? All because they couldn’t get six seats all together!??!

    [Complete aside here...]

    God I hate flying IAH-MCO. So. Very. Much.

    This week, I got to listen to a mother freak out because her family of six could not get six seats together. The family was broken up into two groups of three, but this wasn’t good enough!!! Didn’t the gate agent know that this was her daughter’s “10th Birthday Trip!” Everything was supposed to be PERFECT. And why wouldn’t that mean old airline allow them just two extra carry-ons!? I mean, they shouldn’t have to pay–it was a BIRTHDAY TRIP.

    Once again, I prove that people become stupid when they give all their money to the Mouse.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    Chris, please mediate.
    I am Premier Executive (Gold) on United and can attest that their service has dropped to its lowest level since the merger. 
    I am still missing mileage on 3 flight segments on 2 different European trips.  No amount of calling or e-mailing seems to help.
    Please try to get these folks compensation.

  • http://twitter.com/LLMilitaryWife LLMilitaryWife

    Cause now I’m just nosey what the call center message said too!  It sounded like a ridiculous promise to begin with….BUT when your back is pushed to the wall, you tend to grab onto anything that sounds nice, no matter how unreasonable!

  • TonyA_says

    Something is terribly  wrong here.

    This [purportedly] Skywest (OO) operated flight for United Express on Monday,  23APR 2012 departing PSP and arriving LAX does not exist. Yup, it (UA6477) was not scheduled to fly on Mondays. So if you expect us to believe the rest of the story (i.e. the weird fly anywhere offer from UA and the subsequent certificates) at least get the flights right.

  • http://www.talestoldfromtheroad.com Dick Jordan

    If Rosenthal is correct, then United should a) Pay all of his expenses related to the extra night stay in Palm Springs AND b) give him the two First-Class flight vouchers he was promised. 

  • judyserienagy

    More whiners.  Life ain’t fair.  Take what’s been offered, it’s quite generous, and move on.  Life ain’t fair.  The airlines make their own procedures manuals, probably changing them every 10 minutes.  Life ain’t fair.

  • judyserienagy

    More whiners.  Life ain’t fair.  Take what’s been offered, it’s quite generous, and move on.  Life ain’t fair.  The airlines make their own procedures manuals, probably changing them every 10 minutes.  Life ain’t fair.

  • TonyA_says

    Yup, that flight did not exist for 23APR. Based of what I have read, UA6477 was a weekend only flight [for winter]. So there is something missing in this story.

  • TonyA_says

    Re: Substantial Reimbursement.

    Unless you are bumped, in a US domestic flight, the airline basically owes you nothing except to take you (eventually) to your destination. They don’t even have to pay for your hotel and meals.

    From what I read, they were each given 2 vouchers – $100 plus $150, totaling to $250. The current low roundtrip fare from PDX-PSP is only $268 with tax included. Essentially they got another trip for free.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    I’d argue that United delayed them over 4hours so they were entitled to compensation accordingly.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Its not whining if United offered them one thing then reneged. 

  • Elmo Clarity

    If you are denied boarding (bumped), they owe you compensation in *REAL* money, not funny money.

    On domestic flights, if they get you to your destination more than one hour but less than two hours from the original flight, cash compensation equivalent to 200 percent of the one-way fare of your flight is owed to a maximum of $650. More than two hours from the original time will net you 400 percent of the fare to a maximum of $1,300. 

    http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=8f835df6afdafbe45448c25a5ce00a79&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:4.0.1.1.29&idno=14#14:4.0.1.1.29.0.8.6 

  • flutiefan

     what does WN have to do with the ineptitude of UA/CO??!

  • jet2x2

    Cheap doesn’t mean they have to provide bad customer service.  Given the level of greed displayed by most of the airlines, even if they raise ticket prices I would not expect customer service to improve – they will want to pocket the extra money to increase their profits, make their shareholders happy, and pay their executives bonuses.  My suggestion is for the people who matter to the airlines – the regular business travelers, especially those with large corporate accounts  - to start complaining loudly and publicly every chance they get.  Surely they have experienced some of this, although perhaps they are treated better than the rest of us who fly only occasionally. Those who have control over which airline they fly should stop using the worst of the worst, if possible.  Perhaps a drop in revenue would wake them up.  I am really worried that AA will merge with UA, and AA is our primary here in Dallas.  AA isn’t perfect by any means but my limited experiences with UA have all been bad and these were pre-merger.  I don’t have a choice who I fly for business but if UA and AA merge, I will certainly use an alternative for non-business travel when possible.  At least we have Southwest here as well – they are relatively honest about what you get for the price and what you can expect on the trip, and are generally pleasant.  Not a ringing endorsement but then again, which airline is really great these days?  

  • AUSSIEtraveller

    so why should United offer them anything at all ?

    Their flight was cancelled. They would have recd an email to that effect with rerouting details.

    Don’t they have email ?

  • TonyA_says

    I understand that (IDB) Elmo; but that does not apply here. The flight they mentioned does not even operate on Mondays. So they were not bumped or IDBed.

  • TonyA_says

    That’s not even in UA COCs. So if they were not bumped, there is no DOT rule that requires compensation.

  • Elmo Clarity

    Unless we have evidence otherwise that Chris has not shared with us, we have to assume that the OP was given a reservation for a flight at the time specified.  If in reality, there was no flight, that means that UA sold a reservation to a non-existing flight.  That would sound like fraud on UA’s part and be subject to other penalties and fines.

    If at the time the OP made the reservation, UA did have a flight, but canceled it after the booking was made, then they did deny boarding by eliminating the flight.

    So regardless of what happened to the flight, the bottom line is they were not allowed to board a flight at the contracted time – denied boarding.

  • TonyA_says

    I am with you in disbelief. This story is NOT credible. UA6477 was not scheduled for 23APR and the latest UA flight from PSP-LAX  (on 23APR) was UA6445 and that was scheduled to depart 624PM. If the OP went to the airport for UA6477 which departs 716PM Sat/Sun, then we would be too late for UA6445. In other words he would be stuck in PSP.

    I can’t find any evidence that UA6477 was cancelled for 23APR. How could it, if it was not even scheduled to fly that day? And even if it was cancelled, the OP would have probably found out on his outbound leg from Portland (since he will access his reservation). If the flight and date are possibly wrong then the rest of the story might as well be a fairy tale. I think Elliott should demand to see the ticket before he takes on this case.

  • TonyA_says

     We don’t even have evidence he was booked on UA6477 PSP-LAX on 23APR. I’d like to see that first

  • bodega3

    I read this earlier today and felt it was questionable, too. 

  • Maryann Keith

    I really hope you can get them to pull the call. I won’t be able to decide whose side I’m on until we know how the service rep worded things.

  • Joe Farrell

    I voted yes on Mediation but here is the issue: the call center recording. We need to hear it, I’d LOVE to have Chris post it when it becomes available,  

    They are ALL recorded.  Our OP needs to:

    a) Sue United in REGULAR court – not small claims

    b) As he serves the complaint he sends a copy of the complaint and letter to United’s Chief Legal Officer – whomever the Ex.VP of Legal is – return receipt requested that states:

    “I filed the attached today in [where ever the court is].  This concerns a promise made by a United Employee [insert name] in a telephone conversation April [25?] at XXam/pm called on [number called].  (If you used your cell – then you are golden since you have the number and date and time called)

    I shall be forwarding a discovery request to listen to the phone call.   This is notice that United must retain a copy of the phone center call in accordance with the rules of discovery.  

    Please have your attorney’s contact me when they receive the complaint in due course.”

    Now – if THAT does not get a response – I’d be surprised.  Moreover you need to look at the place you wanted to go – London, Tokyo, Sydney, wherever – and THAT is the value of the tickets you sue for – it will be in excess of $40,000.   

    You HAVE to do this – if you don’t do this – when they get the discovery request in 4 months they’ll just claim that they ‘routinely’ discard phone calls every 30/60/90 or whatever days is most convenient for the claim. 

    Now you have set them up – they either find the phone call – and fire that employee – or claim that their employees do not have the ability to bind the company to that promise [hah - no court is going to buy that] – or they call you to offer you 200,000 FFB or some equivalent that GETS you the 2 free tickets.  

    Once they assert that they do not have the phone call recorded [which is the most likely result] it becomes your word against hers /theirs.  They will lose since they will not be able to testify to ANYTHING other than ‘normal procedures’ which is really not specific.  

    If you don’t do it – well – when you get nothing.    

  • MarkKelling

    And United is pouting and threatening to pull out of IAH if the SW proposal actually gets started.  Sure they will.  UA makes way too much money in Houston to leave.  And they are too greedy to pass up the income.

  • MarkKelling

     Of course they get away with it because they can.
     
    And if you pay extra for one of the Economy Plus seats but you get moved to a regular seat they refuse to refund the extra you paid too. 

  • Bill Armstrong

    It is completely unreasonable to expect two first class tickets anywhere in the world over a night’s lodging costs.

    That said, Skywest is the airline I hate to fly more than any other airline I’ve been on in the planet.  United are horrible for allowing them to fly under the United Express banner.  I have on at least four times been annoyed to the point of extreme frustration by Skywest’s ground staff at Denver Airport and it is my aim to never, ever fly them again.  I encourage everyone else to do the same.

    Fortunately, the last time I went to Denver, I got to go on real UAL planes both ways.   If faced with the prospect of Skywest again, I think I will elect to simply not go.   That said, although I think everyone who has to put up with Skywest should get two free tickets around the world, I don’t think it is reasonable that united do so.

  • MarkKelling

    I never felt that UA treated its passengers good.  

    I only flew them because my employer insisted and would not pay for another airline if UA offered what they defined as the “best” deal.  I had nearly 500 K miles of actual flight mileage on UA before the merger.  

    I can tell you a dozen stories of how badly I have been treated by UA (gate agents walking off and leaving the gate unattended with no reason given while rebooking passengers from a cancelled flight;  the  6 hour delay on a flight out of SFO because they couldn’t find one plane out of 5 in working order; being moved from a full fare 1st class seat to economy to make room for a flight attendant when I know most of the 1st cabin was flying on upgrades).  
     
    But remembering the past won’t fix the present. UA and CO are both gone and the resulting airline is simply the worst parts of both.  They are just trying to make enough money to pay the executive bonuses until they file bankruptcy again.

  • MarkKelling

    I never felt that UA treated its passengers good.  

    I only flew them because my employer insisted and would not pay for another airline if UA offered what they defined as the “best” deal.  I had nearly 500 K miles of actual flight mileage on UA before the merger.  

    I can tell you a dozen stories of how badly I have been treated by UA (gate agents walking off and leaving the gate unattended with no reason given while rebooking passengers from a cancelled flight;  the  6 hour delay on a flight out of SFO because they couldn’t find one plane out of 5 in working order; being moved from a full fare 1st class seat to economy to make room for a flight attendant when I know most of the 1st cabin was flying on upgrades).  
     
    But remembering the past won’t fix the present. UA and CO are both gone and the resulting airline is simply the worst parts of both.  They are just trying to make enough money to pay the executive bonuses until they file bankruptcy again.

  • MarkKelling

    I never felt that UA treated its passengers good.  

    I only flew them because my employer insisted and would not pay for another airline if UA offered what they defined as the “best” deal.  I had nearly 500 K miles of actual flight mileage on UA before the merger.  

    I can tell you a dozen stories of how badly I have been treated by UA (gate agents walking off and leaving the gate unattended with no reason given while rebooking passengers from a cancelled flight;  the  6 hour delay on a flight out of SFO because they couldn’t find one plane out of 5 in working order; being moved from a full fare 1st class seat to economy to make room for a flight attendant when I know most of the 1st cabin was flying on upgrades).  
     
    But remembering the past won’t fix the present. UA and CO are both gone and the resulting airline is simply the worst parts of both.  They are just trying to make enough money to pay the executive bonuses until they file bankruptcy again.

  • MarkKelling

    Don’t worry, UA and CO are still merging and that will keep them busy for a few more years.

    AA and US will merge.  Can’t wait for that. ;-(

  • MarkKelling

    Just flew DEN-FLL-EYW on a reward ticket with UA the week before Mother’s day that I booked two weeks prior to that.  It went OK.  

    Sliver bought some 34 seat Saab planes (look exactly like the Beech just bigger) that have a toilet and a flight attendant that serves drinks and some of the best snacks I have had on a plane in a long time.

    The 4 hour delay each way FLL-EYW was the only bad part.  Bahama customs decided to do more thorough searches on the planes leaving the various small islands which threw off Silver’s entire schedule for about two weeks.  Guess I could have driven that part of my trip.

  • jackfile

    My partner and i believe that it is time and energy to push Usa to have away from their particular large moose, they may be playing around screwing passagers each possibility they will acquire. They may be the people transforming and also cancelling travel arrangements, not necessarily the particular travellers. I’ve found their particular customer care being deplorable…
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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Unfortunately, cheap and poor customer service go hand in hand.  Check out any Consumer Reports survey and you find the cheap vendors tend to congregate towards the bottom of the rankings.  Think Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s vs Food Lion.

    Business travelers at least on AA have no need to complain (yet).  As one myself, I remember my travel experiences as a leisure 4x a year traveler and today as a business traveler.  Its night and day. I have yet to pay a baggage fee.  I usually fly in first.  My lines are shorter.  And I know several of the gate agents and flight attendants on my most traveled route. I don’t care about the food and drink offerings on shorter flights.  I”m high enough up in my company that I can leave work early enough to grab a real meal before the flight.

     I suspect the true road warriors have it even easier.  So I don’t see the business travelers complaining too loudly.

    As far as greed is concerned, I have to respectfully disagree.  The purpose of a business is to maximize profits for its shareholders.  CEO compensation is a populist red herring at best.  Whenever an airline tries to raise prices and provide better service, the market punishes it badly.  We get what we are willing to pay for.

  • Ian Parrish

    Chris,  I worry that someone is pulling your leg here.  Short of a plane crashing, United isn’t going to comp a pair of non-elite fliers two first class flights to *anywhere* transferable, etc.  That could be $40,000 worth of compensation for a missed flight from Palm Springs to Portland that they might have paid at most $300 for round trip.  I just can’t imagine an agent promising this.  United callers without status get the Indian call center that just mumbles through the designated scripts.   Just to calibrate compensation, as a very frequent flier whose business class flight from AMS-ORD went mechanical and canceled, I received hotel, meal vouchers, and $350….not two first class tickets anywhere.

    This couple is clearly not due IDB compensation. There was a schedule change and they missed their flight, flat out missed it, or something else strange happened. 

    If I were them, I’d consider themselves lucky to get so much compensation and move on. 

  • Raven_Altosk

    I’ve seen that happen. It’s pure fraud. Sell something you can’t deliver and then keep the cash. 

    Why are they permitted to do this!?!?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSW6Y735Q2LBC5CSZUZBVTTYEQ JT

    1.  Vouchers =/= money.  They only help if the OP is taking another trip.  Otherwise, they’re a waste.

    2.  Vouchers are not generally stack-able (unless they’ve changed the rules lately).  So $100 + $150 + $150 is only good if the OP is going to take three different trips.

    Yeah, mediate.  United owes these folks what they’ve promised, or a full reimbursement of all expenses related to the extra night’s stay plus the vouchers (for inconvenience).

  • TonyA_says

    The Denver reroute story does not make sense
     

    The SkyWest representative said she could reroute them through Denver, but with a 20-minute stopover. They’d probably miss their connection to Portland and spend the night in Denver.

    If the OP went to the PSP airport to check in for the [non-existent] UA6477 flight with scheduled departure 716PM, then how can he been offered a flight to DEN which was schedule to depart much earlier at 550PM???

    Flight UA5653 PSP-DEN was quite late in departure 719PM (instead of 550PM). Maybe the gate/door was still open after 6PM (about the time the OP check in for the non-existent flight)? But that still does not explain why he said there was only a 20 minute connection time in DEN  (when the next flight DEN-PDX was scheduled to depart at 1020PM, about 1 hr and 20 min scheduled between flights). In reality since the PSP-DEN flight was so late, and arrived at DEN at 1019PM, he would have completely missed the DEN-PDX flight since that departed at 1015PM.

    Absolutely nothing in his story (i.e. non-existing flight, Denver reroute, fly anywhere vouchers) makes sense. It’s time for Elliott to determine the facts first before he even bothers to take on this case.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LKHWSI5H6XYINENJT6DJ2UX7E4 Wrona

    Actually the business travelers ARE complaining about United.  It’s just that the new United doesn’t care and in fact sees them as “over-entitled” (per their CFO).

  • RITom

    Why do I have to check my email when I am on vacation? Why do I have to answer a phone when I am on vacation?  I booked a flight with an airline. I paid for the flight.  I am there 2 hrs in advance.  They need to  beehter for their prt. PAY UP

  • RITom

    When in a foreign country try to get a cell phone signal?  Or even in Alaska! They do not exist for the lower 48 state users!

  • Michael__K

    @TonyA_says:disqus ,

    Isn’t it perfectly plausible that at a point time (i.e. when the OP’s spoke to the SkyWest agent) the PSP-DEN flight was expected to be delayed “only” until 7pm and expected to arrive at 10pm?

    Are you able to see schedule change histories going back a full year and rule in or out that the PSP->LAX flight was scheduled to operate on Apr 23 *at some point*?

  • travelagentman

    There is no point in this article that suggests that the Rosenthals were talking with anybody with any authority. I have at leaset 10 direct contacts a week with India, Pakistan, Guatamala, where ever the hell United answers and they always e-mail within seconds the comfirmation of the subject of conversation. I have never seen a free first class anywhere in the world certificate while working with United or in my travel agency. I have received them as production rewards, but never seen one given to a bumpy.

  • RITom

    Out of pocket cost?  What about a missed day of work? when I return to work I am hit hard with 1,000 things.  My voice mail, email says I will return on day X not the day after X.  

  • TonyA_says

    I don’t have a view to historical schedules in GDS. But actual flight schedules are recorded. And, that flight operated only on weekends (mainly Sat and Sun) from Jan to Apr 2012.

    It is entirely possible that the OP bought his tickets in 2011 and at that time, the future Winter schedules included Monday. But as soon as that flight schedules were changed, he (or his travel agent) would have gotten a message regarding the UN status of his flight and a reaccommodation (TK status) to a new flight. As a TA I get these messages daily so I can understand why the OP was clueless about a schedule change.

    Regarding the Denver routing, we are assuming that the agents at PSP were still able to process passengers beyond the scheduled departure time of 550PM.

    There was a time adjustment recorded by UA/OO at 4:54 PM  PSP time —
        Estimated Gate Departure Changed From 04/23/12 05:50 PM To 04/23/12 06:58 PM
        Estimated Gate Arrival Changed From 04/23/12 08:58 PM To 04/23/12 10:06 PM [meaning he would have had 14 minutes to catch UA 448's scheduled departure of 1020PM].
    He did not have 20 minutes!

    If he did check in at least one hour before his non-existent flight (supposedly scheduled to depart at 716PM) at around 6PM, then he would have known he had only 14 minutes maximum to connect at DEN (which has a 40 minute minimum connection time).

    So, the airline did update BOTH estimated departure and arrival time. The latter (arrival time) is more important if you want to compute how much time is left to connect in DEN. Anyway, he never had the chance of making it to PDX that night and all this discussion is for nothing but distraction.

    To me the real issue is why he did not see his updated itinerary??? If he flew outbound from PDX on the same itinerary, he should have noticed a change of return flight at that time. So in reality I believe the OP was a NOSHO at PSP for an earlier flight. I am glad he was reaccommodated for the next day by UA/OO. Also IMO, he does not even deserve the vouchers. He’s lucky they got $250 each.

  • TonyA_says

    Also, he is calling then AFTER THE [supposed] FACT and after he made it home due to a reaccommodation.
    I am surprised they even gave him more than a $100 certificate.