This summer, airlines takes “ridiculous” to the next level

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Just when you think you’ve heard it all, you hear from someone like Stewart Sheinfeld, a reader from Chicago who is flying to Morelia, Mexico, on the discount airline Volaris.

Sheinfeld says when he booked online, he was offered an “On Time Performance Guarantee.” Now normally, a performance guarantee comes with the product. But not this one.

For just an extra $7, Volaris said it would guarantee his flight would arrive within 30 minutes of his scheduled arrival time. And if it was late?

“We’ll give you $100 USD of Volaris electronic credit to keep flying with us,” it says.

Pay for a guarantee. That’s a new one to me.

“It’s like Vegas,” says Sheinfeld. “Place your bets.”

I had never heard of Volaris’ $7 guarantee. Then again, I’ve stopped asking the question, “What’ll they think of next?” My friends at Spirit Airlines cured me of it. I don’t want to know. You probably don’t, either.

Air travel in the summer of 2012 is fraught with ridiculousness that goes far beyond fees, though. It extends to policies, processes — and to you.

A few weeks ago, I wrote about United Airlines’ new reservation system, which had a few bumps when it merged with Continental. More than a few, actually.

It was only a matter of time before someone forced me to invoke Kafka in reference to the new system, but Linda Schofield made me do it.

Her United flight from Denver to Aspen, Colo., turned back because of inclement weather and landed in Denver. That’s not uncommon. But the United misplaced her luggage (also not uncommon) and left her in Denver with no way to get to Aspen (that is uncommon). She had to rent a car to get to the resort town.

But that isn’t why she contacted me. She says a United agent promised her a refund on the unused flight to Aspen, and when she tried to get it, she got lost in a maze of call centers and confusing web pages.

“I have tried calling the refunds office and the customer service office and got nowhere,” she says. “They keep referring me back to the website to submit another request, which I feel is complex and useless.”

The problem is that the site won’t accept her refund request without a confirmation number, which she no longer has. And the call center employees refer her back to the website, even when she tries to explain her problem.

“This system is clearly designed to thwart any reasonable attempt at communication and to prevent them ever having to process any refunds,” she says. “I’m so angry at United, I could spit.”

I’ve sent her a few high-level contacts at United, and I’ll help her get a refund. But in the meantime, I wonder how many other passengers who need refunds have gotten stuck in this Kafkaesque process.

Too many, I would bet.

Of course, the “ridiculous” cuts both ways. Consider what happened to Helton Harrison on a recent JetBlue Airways flight. It wasn’t the in-flight experience, which he says was “wonderful” but the other passengers, that made him cringe.

“They didn’t put their carry-on in the bin above them,” he remembers. That forced him to stow his luggage in the bin several rows back.

“This caused chaos and confusion when the plane landed and some in row 4 had to be searching for their luggage in row 11. This simply was ridiculous because some passengers do not learn to follow rules and apply common sense,” he says.

If this conflict, which is a variation of the “bin hog” problem, is bad on JetBlue — an airline that includes the cost of your checked luggage in its ticket — you can only imagine what’s happening on the rest of the airlines, which charge for the first checked bag.

Can you say “chaos”?

But as the busy summer travel season unfolds, here’s a question for you: Which of these is the most ridiculous? Is it the creative new fees travel airlines invent? The maddening systems that prevent us from getting what we’re entitled to? Or is it … us?

The pool’s open.

  • cjr001

    Africa only? You’d utterly wrong about that.

    The increase in fee to $100 is for United flights to/within Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and India. Which is very likely a majority of their international flights.

    http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/travel/Pages/CheckedBaggage.aspx

    And I could really care less what the European airlines charge. It’s still a joke.

  • cjr001

    The general carry-on size limit is a joke.

    I have two backpacks of equal width and depth. Both are within the general carry-on limits.

    Yet, one of the two is twice the length, ie, ‘height’ of the other, and so isn’t in the size ‘limit’. Yet, I’ve not only never had a problem getting int on the plane, I’ve never had a problem getting it to fit in the overhead bin length-wise.

    The limits, as currently designed, are more about encouraging the shakedown of customers than they are about what can actual fit in the bins.

  • emanon256

    Your link states, bolding mine:
     
    A second bag service charge of $100 applies for travel between North America, South America, Europe, the Middle East and Africa to/from the following countries in Africa: Algeria, Botswana, Egypt, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Tunisia, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

  • TonyA_says

    UA has IMO the worst baggage allowance to ASIA. Except Japan (since they are partnered with NH), the second bag to Asia is $70. Other US and Asian carriers give 2 bags free to some Asian destinations. If fact, I get deals with Asian carriers that give the 3rd bag free.

  • cjr001

    I’m not going to waste time helping you with your reading comprehension skills.

  • emanon256

    And I bet the service is much better on the Asian carriers as well.

  • TonyA_says

    You are 100% correct. A long time ago (and the last time I will ever do this), I took a United flight and a bathroom door was taped shut. Having one less CR in a very long flight is just crazy. Never flown United again. But I do keep selling United to Asia by picking the codeshared All Nippon (NH) flights. Also the Continental flights from EWR and IAH are fine. I rarely come across a customer who says they prefer UA to Asia unless they want to upgrade to BC with points.

  • emanon256

    I had a UnitedExpress flight from MSN-DEN once on a plane with 1 bathroom, and they announced beforehand that the bathroom did not function and to go before we leave.  This is about a 2.5 hour flight.  I still wonder if that is even legal, to operate a plane with no bathroom?  Legal or not, we flew.  I wonder what would happen if someone really had to go?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    Wow, remind me never to mess with you again! While I wouldn’t have destroyed her flowers on purpose I understand the temptation. 

  • ExplorationTravMag

    BC – I began with doing some rearranging so I could get my bag in.  There was room enough if I just shuffled her coat and flowers to the top of another bag.  She didn’t want that – she wanted to inconvenience me, as was evidenced by her not putting them there until I showed up.  And it wasn’t something she did to make it personal to me.  She’d have done that no matter who showed up.  She just wanted the space and wanted her foot room and she didn’t care who she had to offend to do it.

    I’m really big on – I give what I get.  Treat me respectfully as a human being who walks terra firma and I return the same.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EUTS4TUFMGQZAZLOWGCYXX7D6E Roger M

     I really like that idea!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UES4TUPI6NRPTG2DCB4YCX6R4U wyoming1949

    @flutiefan:disqus First, I agree with your strict adherence to things fitting in the sizer box.  I have a carry-on bag which fits under the seat of a Beachcraft 1900.  I’ve never put it in a sizer box, but I’ve carefully followed the dimensional limits for the Beachcraft operator (Great Lakes Airlines) by measuring with my tape measure.  Accomplishing the feat of fitting all my carry-on needs into my “Beachcraft bag”—without any offending buldges in the bag—is not easy.  It requires a lot of thinking about what is most important.  In the winter, and when I’m travelling on “mainline” aircraft, I’m just thankful there is room for my coat in the overhead.  Just one question flutiefan:  If you are strictly enforcing the “sizer box” rule, doesn’t this significantly delay boarding anyway?  You’re arguing/negotiating with customers and (perhaps) collecting additional checked bag fees.  Or do you, routinely, have the “national guard” (airport police) standing by?  Finally, the airlines need to get serious about lost baggage.  The old saying of “there are only two kinds of baggage–carry-on and lost” is sadly true for most US-based airlines.  Also, the people who take lost baggage reports need training on dealing with people.  There is a small (scheduled service) airport near my home where it is impossible to file a lost baggage report.  If you approach the counter agent, she will signal for the local Sheriff’s Deputy to come over to the counter and intimidate you out of filing a report. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    This will never work. Once I was on a very tight connection and we arrived late the captain made an announcement and requested everyone stay seated so that the FOUR people who were connecting to XXX (don’t remember where) could deplane quickly and make their connection. Once the seat belt light was turned off every jerk on the plane stood up and started grabbing their stuff trapping the people behind them. People are just inconsiderate jerks. 

    I barreled through them and when I got dirty looks I just said thanks for being seated as the captain requested. Thankfully I made my flight. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    I’ve had this happen to me before…I was in the first couple rows and was asked to switch so she could sit with her son, she was in row 40 something, I told her NO. She got all huffy and said real loud “You want to sit next to my 12 year old son??” I stood up and said, “No and I don’t want to sit next to an entitled bitch either, I’m sure the person in row 40 will be willing to move up front” and sat back down. A couple minutes later I had a very happy neighbor who got to move up front. 

    Screw rude people. 

  • Rosered7033

    New acronym – SRP! I can think of LOTS of places to use that!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RBH3P64IBGKZTHVM7QGBNU5JPA Rick

     Even i had some issues traveling this summer in the air. Thank you for sharing all your views.

    Rick,
    kanyakumari

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UES4TUPI6NRPTG2DCB4YCX6R4U wyoming1949

    Given the crop of anti-social FAs I’ve wondered whether a gate agent would cooperate with processing a refund if:  (1)  You have a fully refundable ticket;  (2)  You were seated and, voluntarily, left the aircraft  (3)  The only reason (for leaving the aircraft) you provide is that the behavior of one or more flight attendants was making you uncomfortable.  Or, is it possible the gate agent/airline might say–”we scanned your boarding pass and as far as we’re concerned, you’ve flown–no refund!”  This argument probably wouldn’t hold-up in small claims court, but going to court is a step most people would like to avoid. 

  • sershev

     My ticket was fully refundable. The plane had mechanical issues. At the time we parked back at the gate there was no word on how long is delay or cancellation. It didn’t have to do with the airline personal. I had to fly to a meeting and did not have time for a flight delay. When I called my travel agent I thought they would just exchange the ticket I had to a new one, but they simply booked me a brand new ticket for a flight that was leaving in 15 minutes on a different airline and the gates were on another side of the airport. As soon as the broken plane was parked back at the gate and door was opened I had to run as fast as I could to make it to another flight. There was no time to talk to a gate agent. When I arrived to a new gate the gate door was already closed but aircraft door was still open. They printed my boarding pass and let me board the flight. What Continental should have done after they fixed the plane several hours later, do a head count or re-scan boarding passes. That way they would see who was actually flying.

  • Steve_in_WI

    Yup. I had never even tried to recline my seat until recently on a United flight from SF to Chicago where I was in the very last row, so no one to bother behind me. I put it back the four inches or whatever and I was actually less comfortable than just sitting upright.

  • flutiefan

     no, it doesn’t significantly hinder boarding… after we’ve made (more than one or two) announcements about what is allowed,if someone tries to pass by with an oversized item, we ask them to step aside and and test it in the box .  we continue boarding, and if it doesn’t fit, they’ve gotta check it. meanwhile, boarding is still happening.  one of my announcements even mentions that if you’re asked to step aside and try the sizing box, you will miss your zone; therefore, it’s better to take care of it prior to boarding.

    and perhaps that particular airline/location needs to train people on how to file a report, but please don’t lump us all together. i know how much it totally sucks not to get your bag on the flight, and i will empathize. i won’t, however, take blame (i have never loaded a bag on a plane in my entire career), nor will i accept loud, foul, or abusive language (same with the ticket counter and the gate). there are only 2 people who care about where your lost bag is. don’t piss off the one who can actually do something about it.

  • TonyA_says

     Fantastic!

  • flutiefan

     yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but i have no interest in “shaking down” any of my customers.