They want a full refund from Celebration — but do they deserve it?

The Radisson Grand Lucayan Beach & Golf Resort looks like the ideal place for a four-night land portion of a cruise vacation — at least it did to Martin Lambert when he booked a Celebration cruise to the Bahamas recently.

“Think of your stay as instant therapy,” the resort promises on its slick website. “Because the moment you arrive, a feeling of serenity will wash over you like a gentle wave, stripping away the world’s woes, and leaving you ready to get your Lucayan on.”

But the wave that washed over Lambert felt like anything but serenity, and he didn’t feel like getting his Lucayan on, either.

In fact, his entire cruise package was a disaster from start to finish. Since he booked the vacation through Celebration, he asked it for a refund. Its answer left something to be desired, so he wants me to get involved.

I’m not sure if Lambert’s case merits a full refund. Maybe you can tell me if their experience was par for the course with this Radisson resort and Celebration and if it should be mediated.

Lambert paid $1,923 for the two-day cruise and four-day land portion. Let’s start with his problems on land.

• The check-in process was a disaster. “Upon arrival, at around noon, we had to wait over 45 minutes in a pre-check-in line to register and get a beeper because our rooms would not be ready until 3 p.m.,” he says. “Our luggage was put in storage and as we were unable to change, we had to either sit in the lobby for several hours or by the pool in our clothes.”

• His reservation was temporarily lost, and when it was recovered, the assigned room was unacceptable. One member of his party was given a smoking room and Lambert’s accommodations had no hot water. Both of them were eventually given new rooms.

• The hotel advertised two golf courses, and Lambert, an avid golfer, planned to play both of them during his visit. “Please be aware that only one of the two courses was opened and that it can only be described as a cow pasture with unmowed burned out fairways, unplayable traps and top dressed sandy greens,” he wrote to Celebration.

The return to the ship was marked by the same chaos as their trip to Grand Bahama. “Long lines, no porters, lack of air conditioning and general confusion and congestion,” he says.

The response from Celebration: An apology and an $862 refund, which he says represents the resort portion of the journey.

But how about the cruise? Here’s what went wrong on the Celebration ship, in Lambert’s words:

Your website represents your ship as “dazzling” after being sent to Freeport for a multi-million dollar makeover into a tropical cruise ship.

Having sailed on RCCL, Celebrity, Regent, Silversea and many other cruise lines, we can only relate our extreme disappointment at the condition of your ship, its public areas, cabins (we had the largest ‘suites’) lack of working elevators, smelly hallways, below standard buffet, check-in and debark lines that were over one hour long and premium vodka that was ordered but not served.

If it were not for the kind staff and the Cove restaurant, it would have been a total nightmare.

OK, I had to roll my eyes when I saw the “premium” vodka comment. But it sounds as if the cruise matched his hotel stay, in terms of quality.

Lambert wants a full refund of the $1,923, and has joined with another couple traveling with him to request one.

It’s highly unusual for a cruise line to offer a full refund, and I would be hesitant to ask for one. Rather, I’d view the $862 credit as a partial refund for the entire vacation, not just the hotel.

Should I mediate this case?

Update: Well, this one sure is confusing. An early version of this story identified the cruise line as “Celebrity.” The correct name of the cruise line is Celebration. (And yes, there is a difference.)

Lambert also says the refund he received was for the hotel portion of his vacation, but not the cruise. I’ve updated the story to reflect that. The new information also answers my question about mediation, but if you see a compelling reason for me to ask for the cruise portion to be refunded, do tell.

(A little housekeeping note: I always recommend that consumers send a brief, polite email to a company when they have a problem. When complaint letters run several pages long, it is easy to get lost in the details.)

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Yes, but that’s not a fair comparison. Disney Aulani is a far posher resort than what the OP was complaining about. The OP’s entire list of complaints about both the cruise and the hotel boils down to him wanting premier service for bargain-bin pricing. That’s simply not realistic.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    There isn’t much more that can be added to this so… ‘Nuff said.

    As @Raven_Altosk:disqus said, Like x100

  • Joe_D_Messina

    The golf section was him just being a golf snob. There’s a (thankfully small) percentage of golfers who delight in griping about courses that don’t measure up to their standards. Note that the one that was open got nothing but scorn. Yet he wanted the one that was apparently in even worse shape to also to have been open…so he could have griped about what horrible condition it was in, as well!

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Am I the only one who thinks Chris sticks columns like this up there from time to time so he can see the snark? I’m sure we have him laughing, sometimes, with the comments. He’s looking for a Monday laugh…

    (And as a side note to Chris: I have to say, I’m really not too fond of the popups now appearing on your site. Really?)

  • Joe_D_Messina

    Yeah, I thought the beeper complaint was bizarre. He griped about having to wait in the pre-check-in line, yet when he gets a beeper allowing him to skip further waiting in line, he complains about that, as well. Classic case of no outcome beyond absolute perfection being unacceptable.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    I love the discussion, but this is the first I’ve heard of the pop ups. If you tell me where you see them, and who the advertiser is, I can try to disable it. (I have AdSense and Travora ads, but they should be standard ads, not pop-ups.)

  • chaos530

    A small (or med) tote with a simple change of clothes would solve the problem. I’ve done it.

  • Carchar

    I always pack what I need for the first day of any vacation in case my luggage doesn’t arrive with me. And I am greatly, but pleasantly, surprised when I arrive early and my hotel room is ready.

    To me, the only possible annoyances were the smoking room and lack of hot water, and they were addressed pretty quickly. They made out like bandits!

  • ExplorationTravMag

    They happen when I visit the page for the first time each day. As soon as I click on the site to post or scroll down, a popup comes up. This just started last week, for me.

    I can’t tell you who the ads are for since I close them down the moment they come up. Is it possible this is something on my computer and it’s time I run my Spy Aware? I keep Norton going all the time but Spy Aware is something I only do about once a month.

  • chaos530

    Not Celebrity. It’s Celebration. Celebrity is a much higher caliber company.

  • LeeAnneClark

    I’ve never gotten a pop-up on Chris’s site. It’s likely malware on your own computer – that’s a very common problem. Do a google search on “malware causing pop-ups” and you’ll get all kinds of information about how this happens, and what to do about it.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I’m running a scan right now. It’s got my computer crawling (It’s a Dell, it sucks, I hate it, never owning another Dell again)

  • flutiefan

    mine isn’t a pop-up, but when my cursor goes over a certain ad banner, it opens up to fill the whole page, even though i haven’t clicked on anything. it’s quite obnoxious. i believe it was a destination-type ad, something along the lines of Martha’s Vineyard or the like. it takes several seconds for the “Close” box to appear, and then if my mouse goes near that part of the screen again, there it opens again. just FYI. hasn’t been there in the past week or so, though.

  • emanon256

    I have not had any pop-ups on your site.

  • IGoEverywhere

    This sounds to me like the you just won a fantastic cruise “like” a Carnival, Celebrity, or RCCL ship. Call right now so we can get your ID correct with your credit card. All you have to pay is….. This should be taken to the state attorney general. Do not pass go, do not….These 2 day ship promos are total con-jobs.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Good luck! Hope it all works out. Yeah, not too fond of Dell myself. ;-)

  • IGoEverywhere

    sign up for 5000.00 per week for the rest of your life. Pub Clearing House popped up. Better chance to win than Lambert to have had any value for his trip.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    Scan done and it came up with “something” serious enough it wanted a reboot to completely clean it out. Otherwise, tracking cookies… I guess I’ll find out tomorrow.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Well then, I guess you have this blog to thank for bringing it to your attention, right? ;-) I hope it all works out and your computer is saved.

  • TonyA_says

    BRAVO!

  • Edward Boston

    No, it’s not ridiculous. If the hotel cannot have rooms ready when the ship arrives, the cruise company needs to adjust their sailing time to arrive closer to the check-in time. It’s ridiculous for tour package arrangers not to coordinate all aspects of the trip to work together.

  • Wrona

    No pop ups for me but I can no longer reply from work because the site claims that Disqus isn’t compatible with my browser (works with other websites it’s just this site I get that message) – and I can’t change the browser.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paulette.baker.77 Paulette Baker

    Check-in for most hotels/resorts is 3 p.m. The OP’s complaint about something that’s an industry standard is simple whinging and made me look askance at the rest of his laundry list. I’ve never been to a resort where we weren’t provided a place where we could change out of our travel clothes until we could check in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paulette.baker.77 Paulette Baker

    I wonder what color the sun is on your planet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paulette.baker.77 Paulette Baker

    Even better, put his name on a list for TAs to avoid!

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    And here we ARE talking luxury – hope you had a fab time, LeeAnne! (And yes, that’s why I always carry a small bag with a change of clothes)

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    NOT Celebrity – Celebration

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    Actually – Celebration doesn’t really qualify as a cruise – they merely ferry you back and forth to Grand Bahamas island. They use VERY old ships, and are not on par with ANY cruise line out there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    Amen – am a huge fan of Crystal myself. But you are right – you DO have to pay for what you want, you don’t get it for free. (And my clients understand that, which is why they prefer those cruise lines as well)

  • backprop

    Yes, that was changed after I posted. The original said Celebrity which several posters later questioned.

  • Edward Boston

    Mine is yellow. Probably not the same color as the one on yours.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pedro-Goldstein/100002298477870 Pedro Goldstein

    This guy seemed to be looking on having a bad trip. He just wants a free trip. Tell him to go to Hell, cruise ships and hotels aren’t the same as welfare benefits.

  • Kevin fake email

    Hi all, stay tunned for a website I’m building. It’s going to be a one stop shop to prove that this is a scam. I’ve identified all the key players, highlighted all of the government action taken against this company (well hidden) and found their associates and Aka’s and Dba’s. I have their home addresses too so you can personally thank them on your way out of town for a wonderful vacation. Let me say one thing, this is the seediest operation imaginable. I do believe once this information goes viral the company and (s) are finished for good. I hope it was worth stealing my 600 bucks guys! I’m on a mission.

  • Kevin fake email

    Hi all, stay tunned for a website I’m building. It’s going to be a one stop shop to prove that this is a scam. I’ve identified all the key players, highlighted all of the government action taken against this company (well hidden) and found their associates and Aka’s and Dba’s. I have their home addresses too so you can personally thank them on your way out of town for a wonderful vacation. Let me say one thing, this is the seediest operation imaginable. I do believe once this information goes viral the company and (s) are finished for good. I hope it was worth stealing my 600 bucks guys! I’m on a mission.