Their valuables disappeared from the hotel safe — and so did the hotel safe

How safe is the safe in your hotel room? If you’re Steve DeLucia, not as safe as you think.

DeLucia recently checked into the Radisson Blu Royal Hotel Copenhagen before a cruise vacation. He stored all of his valuables in the safe.

“When we were to leave in the morning, we slid the sliding doors that covered the safe and found that the entire safe had been pulled from the wall and taken,” he says.

That sounds like the plot of Fast Five, minus the drama.

He continues,

I immediately called security and up to the room they came. They, too, were in shock.

We were told this had never happened in the hotel before. I asked them to call the police, which they did, and a report was made.

I asked to see the video tapes for the floor so we could see who entered the room. To our shock they did not have cameras on any of the floors or the elevators.

When they did a door key history check all that was found was housekeeper — and us.

So what was in the safe? About $45,000 worth of watches, wallets and DeLucia’s passport, he says.

When he asked the hotel to cover his loss, here’s how it responded:

I am afraid that I have to inform you that the Hotel cannot assume any responsibility for the missing belongings, as the police report does not suggest any trace of the hotels involvement.

I trust you have reported the loss to your insurance company in order to have your loss covered.

I am so deeply sorry that this had to happen to you. Despite, I do hope that you will chose to stay at the Royal Hotel again or at any other Radisson Blu hotel.

DeLucia is disappointed by that response. His insurance will only cover a small part of the loss, and he thinks the hotel should take care of the rest.

I’m no expert on Danish lodging laws, but most countries limit the liability of an innkeeper, even when items are placed in a safe. That’s one reason I recommend travelers leave their jewelry and other valuables at home. (Update: Reader Vlad Ioan-Luca, an attorney based in Bucharest, says the law may offer DeLucia some options, if he wants to pursue the matter. For example, section 7.9 of Dutch civil law provides some remedies. I’m trying to determine if Danish laws have similar provisions.)

In cases like this, I’ve seen the hotel make a goodwill offer, either adjusting the room rate or offering a voucher for a future stay. A simple “sorry” just didn’t seem like an appropriate response to me.

I sent an email to the same manager, asking about this issue. He didn’t respond.

Now what? I could take this matter to corporate Radisson, asking it to look into the incident and ensure it responded to DeLucia appropriately. I’m not sure if I should.

If Radisson offers anything to this customer, it probably would be in the interests of good customer service.

At the same time, if a hotel is going to put a “safe” in a room, shouldn’t it stand behind it? I mean, what’s the point of having a safe if someone can waltz right into your hotel room and take the darned thing?

Should I try to mediate this case, and if so, what should DeLucia reasonably expect?

  • Rosered7033

    Very ironic!  Maybe worth putting a card with a false PIN number just in case…  And I agree with your female relatives – if you can’t wear your jewelry, why have it?  Insure it and be smart about where and how you wear it.

  • Michael__K

    They can give him back “something” and the OP would still suffer a 44+K loss.

    BTW the fact that someone went through the risk and trouble of removing the entire safe is pretty suggestive that someone thought it probably contained something worth their troubles…

  • Mel65

    I’m assuming this is a “high class” hotel.  So, seriously someone walked out the front door, past other guest and desk and potentially security personnel carrying a safe and nobody noticed? I suppose it could have been ditched in the stairwell or something but the OP didn’t indicate that the safe had been found empty or anything. Perhaps the housekeeper has a “friend” she alerts to well heeled guestrooms… Who knows.  And like everyone else, I am skeptical of the $45K price tag.  The ONLY expensife jewelry I take on vacation is my wedding set and they’d have to pry those from my dead cold hands to get them! Now, $4500 I could easily see with cash, traveler’s checks and a nice watch or two but… pffft Valuable lesson learned about conspicuous consumption I guess.  The fact that the “perp’ took the whole safe indicated they KNEW something really good was in there and wanted the time to get at it…The OP and his wife were prolly those who stand at the bell desk saying “Be careful I have thousands of dollars of expensive things in that bag; don’t drop it” etc… I feel sorry for their loss (whatever the TRUE extent of it is) but there’s definitely blame to go around here somewhere…

  • Joe_D_Messina

    But are the odds as high of that happening as of getting your room safe robbed?  No, because you’d need the management of the hotel involved for that to happen.
    Sure it’s POSSIBLE to be robbed regardless, but it’s undeniable the main hotel safe is a more secure way to go for a number or reasons.

  • Michael__K

    @Joe_D_Messina:disqus [Re: front-desk safes]
    But are the odds as high of that happening as of getting your room safe robbed?  No, because you’d need the management of the hotel involved for that to happen.  

    Yes, I suspect the odds are higher (IMO)!   Management “involvement” is not even necessary.  It just takes one employee, possibly making a human error (and a dishonest fellow guest who doesn’t point out the error).

    How common is it for a locked room safe to vanish from a hotel?  (“We were told this had never happened in the hotel before”)

    You also need to factor in the total risk to the valuables: using the front desk’s secure storage could attract attention that makes you more of a target later.

  • Michael__K

    replied in new thread

  • sirwired

     At least in the states, innkeeper liability laws usually specifically call for greater liability for items taken from the front desk safe vs. the room.

    A safe, or set of safe deposit boxes, is pretty standard at most hotels.

  • Michael__K

    http://www.nsui.com/pdf/innkeeper_statutes_manual.pdf 

    Based on this link, liability limits in the U.S. are almost always $1,000 or less, often a lot less.

  • scapel

    I think this was a setup or inside job so to speak.  Someone knew what was in the safe somehow. No reason to risk taking a safe with nothing in it.
    Now if the jewelery was not under a separate policy, then only a homeowners or travel insurance might pay and probably limit of $1000 each. One has to have pictures to prove they had the jewelery or a letter from who they bought the jewels from stating their value.

    Just like I was the mark for the theft of a Rolex.  It was a beautiful setup and well done by the thief.

  • certileman

    Well, at least they didn’t bill him for the damage and replacement safe!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     My old law partner regularly wore a Rolex worth 25k. If his wife did the same that’s 50k on just two watches.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I got mine from the same place. lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I can’t speak specifically regarding Danish innkeepers law, but in general, the law does not require a merchant to take on an unknown risk that is not reasonably foreseeable.  Its up to the customer to inform the merchant of the unforeseeable risk so that the merchant can decline, take special precautions, or charge extra money.

    For example, if you wish to ship something via FedEx that’s fragile or valuable, you must declare it otherwise your coverage is very limited.

    In this case, presumably the hotel safe is substantially more secure than the little safes in the guest rooms.  The hotel would have been well within its rights to insist that the OP store the goods in the hotel safe not the room safe.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I promise you, if the OP told the front desk he had 45k in watches, they’d have been in the hotel safe.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     I wouldn’t be inclined to represent the OP under these circumstances.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

       He used that safe just as he was supposed to.
    —————-
    No, not really,  A hotel safe is for less valuable items, not 45k worth of items

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    not everyone is skeptical about the amount.  A couple Rolexes will do it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Michael

    I must respectfully disagree with you.  A room safe is 1) small, 2) accessible by numerous unobserved people including housekeeping, valet, bellmen, security, minibar checker, etc.

    A hotel safe is almost certainly has multiple levels of redundancy to protect the hotel. Some might be 1) constant video surveillance; 2) electronic locks to limit and log access; 3) procedures preventing a single employee from accessing the safe, and other unknown procedures.

    That’s why every hotel, travel guide, etc. advocates the use of the hotel safe for valuable items, and the room safe for small crap.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    I did a little checking.  Caveat: Laws in this area are state dependent and I only checked US Law

    If you place your valuables in the room safe, the innkeepers law limits the hotels liability to around 1K in most states.

    Had the OP placed his valuables with a hotel employee for placing in the hotel safe, the hotel would be liable for the entire amount of the loss without limit.

    Given the relative disparity between the liability amounts, its a no-brainer that the hotel has substantially greater incentive to ensure the security of items in its vault as opposed to a room safe.  Further, the hotel doesn’t even have the defense that the items were non-existent if you get an inventory.

  • Michael__K

    Maybe I haven’t been to enough high-end hotels or stored valuable enough possessions, but the relatively few times I’ve stored items I don’t believe they were inventoried.  Generally, all I received was a ticket stub (which, like a baggage check sticker,  was supposed to match a tag attached to my item(s)).  

    I found this link on hotel liabilities by state:
    http://www.nsui.com/pdf/innkeeper_statutes_manual.pdf

    What would be the basis for the innkeeper to be  ”liable for the entire amount of the loss without limit”? 

    Skimming through  several states (alphabetically up to Georgia) it seems that they strictly limit liability to a modest dollar amount (as you say) — unless the innkeeper is negligent or in some states unless the innkeeper specifically agrees to a contract that reads otherwise (even though the innkeeper is under no obligation to enter into such a contract as far as I can tell).  

    Am I misreading something?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    You have it partially correct.

    Skimming the statutes, if the innkeeper is told that the articles are worth so and so, he is given the option to decline the valuables.  Acceptance will often waive the limits. (very short analysis on my part, its 3am)

    The statutes seem to contemplate the situation where the innkeeper was not told that the items were high value.

  • http://www.qualityhotelfortmcmurray.com/ Jonas Wynn

    This suggests that the maid would have been oblivious to someone tearing a safe out of the wall. Not sure that’s very likely. Even if the maid stepped out of the room and left the door open how quickly would someone be able to remove the safe and make it to the elevator/stairs. 

    For that matter, what are the chances that someone could go unnoticed carrying a safe through a popular hotel.