Socked with a $450 resort fee — is that fair?

You owe more for your room, baby! / Photo by imaqine – Flickr

Resort fees fall under the category of “nuisance” surcharges because they’re usually so insignificant that they’re not worth fighting. And travel companies know it, which is one reason they keep piling ‘em on.

But what happens when these extras rise to the level of a major expenditure?

Timothy Williams wants to know. He’s visiting Las Vegas for 27 days while he closes on a home, and needed a hotel. So he clicked on Hotwire.com, which offers discounts on accommodations but doesn’t reveal the hotel until you’ve made a nonrefundable purchase.

Williams ended up with a room at the Palace Station Courtyard, which like a lot of Las Vegas resorts has a mandatory resort fee that covers amenities not included in the regular room rate. The Palace’s is $14.99. Per night.

“So I’ve already paid $800 for the 27 days,” he says. “Now with the resort fees tacked on, I’m going to have to pay another $450 in resort fees.”

Williams says he was completely unaware of the resort fee.

“It doesn’t show you the hotel,” he says. “I don’t remember it showing me about the possibility of resort fees.”

I checked with Hotwire, and a representative showed me two screen shots in which the possibility of the fee was disclosed. Below the hotel listing, Hotwire displays a warning: “This hotel charges a resort fee,” and then refers you to another page. However, it does not include the exact fee, which is an industry standard.

A Hotwire representative says the company is only doing what other online travel agencies do. “A vast majority of hotels exclude the resort charge from the daily rate,” says Garrett Whittemore, a Hotwire spokesman.

But resort fees are particularly troublesome for sites like Hotwire and Priceline, which don’t reveal the name of the hotel until you’ve paid for it. Because, while it’s an industry-wide practice to exclude the mandatory resort fee (which shouldn’t be happening, anyway) these so-called “opaque” sites add another layer of confusion, because you don’t know exactly where you’re booking a room. And the sites can’t, or won’t, tell you what the exact resort fee will be.

Ideally, hotels would either give you an “all in” rate or allow you to opt out of the fee. But we don’t live in an ideal world.

I asked Hotwire about the specifics of Williams’ case.

“We verified that all of this information was included for his property, the Palace Station Courtyard,” says Whittemore. “In speaking with Timothy, it sounds like he may have missed this information when booking, and may have also been unfamiliar with the widespread nature of resort fees in Las Vegas overall.”

But there’s good news for Williams: Hotwire ran a few numbers, comparing its base rate against other retail sites, and found that even after adding a $14.99 daily resort fee, the combined cost was less than if he’d bought it elsewhere.

“Timothy paid $26 a night with Hotwire, while the cheapest retail price for those same stay dates at the time was $54 a night, not including the resort fee,” says Whittemore.

It gets even better. Hotwire also offered Williams a $100 credit, and the resort upgraded him to junior suite while he was in town.

But Williams remains troubled by the resort fee, the way it was disclosed, and what might happen to others if they should encounter it.

“Hotwire says they listen to their customers, so we’ll see,” he says. “My guess is, nothing will change.”

  • Rosered7033

    Glad it worked out for him but it isn’t clear if the upgrade etc. was before or after Chris got involved. Resort fees are seldom negotiable – I would guess even less often than room rates – so why aren’t they part of the room rate? Hotels must have some great contract lawyers on staff! We can only hope that the “one price includes all” law that now covers flights will someday cover this situation too.

  • emanon256

    I have gotten some serious flack for posting hotel names on here before, so I tend not to.  The ridiculous one who provided nothing for the fee was the JW Marriott Phuket.  I had to pay for Internet, and Gym use, even after paying the fee.  That was a few years ago, I’m not sure if that’s still the case. 
     
    The one in Vegas I agreed not to disclose because I disputed it through the corporate office and eventually got it refunded, but had to sign an agreement stating I would not tell people they refunded me.  So I can not disclose the name.  I still think they were jerks.

  • y_p_w

    “Resort fees” are one of those weird things.  They can be variable.  Sometimes they can be optional.  They help make the price seem lower at first until the fee is disclosed.  Apparently they also like them because they’re theoretically not subject to hotel taxes, although that’s probably not comforting to the customer.

  • bodega3

    If you book on Hotwire you take your chances.  Would you go for a room rate of $14.99 and not know the hotel?  Good lordy, people want it all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    This is a perfect example of what the FTC wants to get complaints on. 

    http://consumerist.com/2012/05/got-a-drip-pricing-story-the-ftc-wants-to-hear-from-you.html 

    Here is a direct link to the complaint site: www.ftc.gov/complaint

    If I was Mr. Williams I would go to this website today and file a complaint. This kind of “gotcha” at check in has to stop. 

  • Michael__K

    Mandatory fees should absolutely (IMO) be included in the base rate.

    To be fair to Hotwire though, I’ve used them plenty over the past 10 years and my recollection is that they DO reveal the amount of any resort fees to a very close approximation.

    So I just double checked and searched for hotels in Las Vegas.  And sure enough when you select some of them, it does state: “This hotel charges a resort fee. “ and provides a “Learn More” link.

    When you click on “Learn More” you get a message like this:

    This hotel typically charges all guests a resort fee regardless of how the room is booked. The hotel collects this fee of about US$ 10 per room per night directly from you, so it won’t show in your Hotwire® total.

    Clearly it would be much better if the resort fee was included in the price on the search results screen (especially since you usually want to sort by price, particularly when the listings are anonymous…)  

    But Hotwire isn’t any better or worse than non-opaque sites in terms of disclosing resort fees.

  • SooZeeQ

    If they know, and still go, fine, but to be bamboozled when checking would be a shock and ruin an otherwise lovely vacation.

    As I said yesterday, because of this site with life experiences, I am leary of the discount sites.

  • sershev

    If the airlines now obligated to disclose all the fees at the time of booking, why hotels can only say a resort fee may apply or parking for a fee or internet for a fee? Sometimes I make a reservations directly through a hotel website and still need to call the property and verify how much are the fees. I think the government should add the hotels and car rental and other travel providers to the same category as airlines and make sure consumers are aware of the exact fee they might be paying prior to clicking that “book” button.

  • TonyA_says

    I think you should list those properties here so we can “boycott” them. :-)

  • Michael__K

    They do disclose an amount but you have to click through the “This hotel charges a resort fee” warning to see it.  It looks like this:

    This hotel typically charges all guests a resort fee regardless of how the room is booked. The hotel collects this fee of about US$ 30 per room per night directly from you, so it won’t show in your Hotwire® total. 

    In my limited experience, the actual resort fee amount has always been less than or equal to the quoted one (e.g. $30 could mean $28.99 or $29.99 or $29.50 etc.).  I’m not sure why they aren’t exact.  Maybe it’s because they fear this would give away the identity of the hotel.

  • LonelyTraveler

     Actually, Hotwire does display Resort fees before purchase. I did a
    fake search for hotels in Las Vegas, and for almost every hotel it returned, it
    has text saying something like:

    Know before you go

    This hotel typically charges all guests a resort fee
    regardless of how the room is booked. The hotel
    collects this fee of

    about
    US$ 20 per room per night
    directly from you, so it won’t show in your Hotwire® total.

    The fee amount is different for every hotel, which leads me to think it
    is actually being displayed dynamically, and not just boilerplate text.
    Also this displayed twice in the booking path, and on the final
    confirmation text, there is again generic text like

    “Resorts offer a
    complete destination experience. Facilities generally
    include a spa or fitness center, one or more swimming pools, and
    superior dining options. Depending on location, recreational activities
    may include water sports, golf, tennis or skiing. Coastal resorts
    usually boast ocean views or beachfront access. Note: A resort fee may
    be charged. “

  • LonelyTraveler

     Actually, Hotwire does display Resort fees before purchase. I did a
    fake search for hotels in Las Vegas, and for almost every hotel it returned, it
    has text saying something like:

    Know before you go

    This hotel typically charges all guests a resort fee
    regardless of how the room is booked. The hotel
    collects this fee of

    about
    US$ 20 per room per night
    directly from you, so it won’t show in your Hotwire® total.

    The fee amount is different for every hotel, which leads me to think it
    is actually being displayed dynamically, and not just boilerplate text.
    Also this displayed twice in the booking path, and on the final
    confirmation text, there is again generic text like

    “Resorts offer a
    complete destination experience. Facilities generally
    include a spa or fitness center, one or more swimming pools, and
    superior dining options. Depending on location, recreational activities
    may include water sports, golf, tennis or skiing. Coastal resorts
    usually boast ocean views or beachfront access. Note: A resort fee may
    be charged. “

  • betty blanco

    Some are even worse. I booked with Priceline but then the hotel charged me extra fees for parking, Internet, and resort fee.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    Internet fees get me too. It seems budget hotels give this away as a freebie whereas ‘resort’ hotels or upscale properties tend to charge anywhere from $10-$19 a day for internet, which is ridiculous. 

    Either way, these are all EXTRAS and can be turned down by any guest. While I may not like them they’re avoidable. Resort fees are mandatory and must be paid by everyone, so they absolutely should be included in the base rate. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    Internet fees get me too. It seems budget hotels give this away as a freebie whereas ‘resort’ hotels or upscale properties tend to charge anywhere from $10-$19 a day for internet, which is ridiculous. 

    Either way, these are all EXTRAS and can be turned down by any guest. While I may not like them they’re avoidable. Resort fees are mandatory and must be paid by everyone, so they absolutely should be included in the base rate. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Pepelko/100000697118144 Barbara Pepelko

    I voted for you, Icarus! 
    Good Luck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barbara-Pepelko/100000697118144 Barbara Pepelko

    I voted for you, Icarus! 
    Good Luck.

  • LonelyTraveler

     Hotwire cannot really include the fee in the total, can they, because they don’t collect it – the resort fees are collected directly by the hotel from the customer at checkout.

  • LonelyTraveler

     Hotwire cannot really include the fee in the total, can they, because they don’t collect it – the resort fees are collected directly by the hotel from the customer at checkout.

  • jennj99738

     There is a place for opaque sites, though.  I have one night in PIT.  I got the Hyatt Regency through Priceline for $42 where it normally goes for over $200.  But I researched *before booking* through betterbidding.com and biddingfortravel.com so I knew that I had about a 95% chance of getting the Hyatt and it was only one night, so how bad could it be?  There is a way of coming very close to figuring out what hotel you’re going to get with these sites.  Whether someone chooses to do research is on them.  For a month, I wouldn’t roll the dice…

  • dsliesse

    If it’s a mandatory fee, it should be included in the base price, no exceptions.  It should also be mandatory for hotels to at least post the applicable tax rates and flat taxes, so meaningful comparisons are possible (every hotel in a given city doesn’t have the same rate).  I want to have a good idea of what the whole package is going to cost me — just like with rental cars.

  • judyserienagy

    This guy got a good deal in the end, but the system is flawed and a reasonable expectation of a resort fee would be $3-$5 a day.  Charging $15 A DAY resort fee is nuts. 

    I just booked 3 nights at the Caribe Hilton in San Juan and was annoyed by the $16 resort fee, but after I read the disclosure carefully, it applies PER STAY, which isn’t the end of the world.

  • Michael__K

    In principle, they could show the combined amount on the search results screen, and then distinguish on subsequent screens between the subtotal owed to Hotwire and the subtotal owed to the hotel at checkin/checkout.

    I wish ALL the OTA sites (Expedia, Travelocity, Orbitz etc.) did that.

    Of course if they did so, then I bet the resort fees would largely disappear (because much of the point I believe is to grab more business by advertising a bogus sticker price).

    I understand there might be some technical hurdles for the OTAs to pull this off, but I’m speaking purely in principle.

  • mbods

    The practice of charging, then not disclosing these resorts fees is a scam and dishonest.  The “opaque” sites really need to straighten up because it’s just so darn easy to go to another site.  It’s worth any extra monies one might have to pay, beats being shocked and feeling ripped off! I’ve heard enough bad things said about Hotwire and Priceline that I would never trust them with my vacation arrangements, no way.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Hey, hey…I didn’t say I had first hand knowledge of this! LOL  :D

  • mikegun

    Why stop at OTA’s? The hotel websites themselves do not usually include this fee in the quote. I pulled a random date for the Palace Station their website and was quoted an estimated total with tax of $50.38. In the terms and Conditions, is where the additional $14.99 “Hotel Amenity Fee” clause resides.

    Another interesting point…the $50.38 is my “Estimated Total with Tax”, (on a $44.99 room rate) yet the T&C’s state my “Total Charge does NOT include 12% hotel tax.” So even when they ARE disclosing tax…they can’t decide if they are or aren’t including tax.

  • Debbie Lott

    You have my vote!  The Ngoragora Crater is on my bucket list!  Fantastic pic!

  • Michael__K

    Sure, no disagreement there… The hotel websites wouldn’t even need to distinguish between sub-totals payable to 2 separate parties.

    At that point, resort fees would effectively become merely a hotel accounting curiosity that would be of no practical interest to us.  Who cares if they want to break out the total cost into as many sub-totals as they want (for towels, water, heat, electricity, alarm clock, TV, wall art, resort fee etc..) as long as the total is what’s prominently shown and used for sorting.

  • http://profiles.google.com/fox1066 Susan Fox

    If you can’t stay at a place without paying that fee, then it should be disclosed since the room+fee=the actual price, which is what people have a right to know. Yet another reason to never go anywhere near Vegas, not that I needed one.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    The argument for requiring baggage and similar fees to be included is that one might consider them to be a fundamental part of the flying experience, and as such, not including them would be deceptive pricing.

    By contrast, neither internet nor parking fees are a fundamental part of the room booking experience.  We cannot assume that every room will require parking or internet.

     For example, travelers to New York, San Francisco, and other expensive cities routinely eschew parking cars in expensive hotel parking lots.  Others forego rental cars in favor of public transportation.  Families, business associates, friends traveling together may have multiple rooms but only have car.

    Similarly, many people don’t use hotel internet, people who have cellular internet, vacationers, people not traveling with laptops, hotspot users, etc.

  • BobChi

    Sounds like you need to think several times before using Hotwire in a location with these fraudulent “resort fees”, which are just a way to lie about the real room price. State your real price. If there are optional amenities, fine, but don’t lie.

  • BobChi

    Agreed. Resort fees are a sickness foisted on us by a slimy industry. Refuse to stay, refuse to pay.

  • BobChi

    But if I know what hotel it is, I can call and find out and tell them why I won’t book there. With Hotwire how do I know who to call?

  • BobChi

    But you’re anonymous here, right? They’ve been jerks to lots of people besides you, so probably others have stood up for themselves too. I just wish they would all stop lying.

  • BobChi

    I voted the wrong way by accident. If they worded it simply “should resort fees be banned”, I bet it would be close to 100%. Boycott the slimeballs.

  • BobChi

    And lots of people don’t check bags on planes either. Same principle.

  • emanon256

    Except I’m not exactly anonymous here.  My disqus name is the name of my former band (Not the new hip-hop band, the older one), and my name on pretty much every website and/or forum where I read and post, and my user name at most hotels.   Also, I signed a contract stating I would not disclose, and I don’t break my word.

  • bodega3

    I would disagree about the parking fee.  It is equal to the bag fee IMHO. 

  • mikegun

    I agree. As stated in my earlier post, I am beginning to feel cheated when I fly Southwest or Jetblue and DON’T take advantage of the included checked bag! 

  • Steve_in_WI

    I have always argued that unavoidable fees like resort fees should be required to be bundled into the base rate; on opaque sites, that goes double because you literally cannot determine what the resort fee will be before you book.

  • Lindabator

    Can’t really vote on that – when you book a hotel on these sites, in an area where the resort fees are not only common, but vary in price, there really is no good way book — at that point, I’d look at which hotels HAVE NO SUCH FEES – and find the lowest out of those instead.  It is virtually impossible for the site to tell you what the resort fees are, as they won’t know until its actually booked, either.  So if rates range from $10 – $40 a night, some might live with ten, but you’d want to cover the bases, and most would easily decide against a booking for the $40 – and who knows which he would get, after all?

  • Lindabator

    True – Las Vegas, like Hawaii, are NOTORIOUS for their resort fees.  That’s why for areas like that, where you see multiple listings of resort fees under the hotel listings, DO NOT BOOK on the opaque sites!

  • Lindabator

    You will fall in love with it!  I’ve been all over the world, and my heart is STILl clearly entrenched in East Africa.  Have a wonderful time, Tony!

  • Lindabator

    Definately stick to East Africa.  The parks in South Africa are a “nice” addition to the vacation experience, but in East Africa, they are the reason for going – the sheer VOLUME of animals is mind-blowing – not to mention the beauty and drama of that area.

  • Lindabator

    Unfortunately, that would basically eliminate whole resort areas – like Las Vegas or Hawaii!  And after all, those are what these folks are really looking for, after all.  I say, when you see that so many hotels in a city you are looking to book a room in HAVE such fees, book off those sites – as you could get stuck for even more than this guy did!

  • Lindabator

    Actually, we in the industry find that those that cater to business travellers usually include it, while “resorts” do not, as these are geared towards the vacation segment.  Yes, I know that even while on vacation you may wish use the internet, the hotels geared towards the business traveller KNOW they will need most of the folks having access, and that there is a lot of competition, so they just add it in.  And, since most business travellers are not using the internet in the daytime, costs and potential problems with access isn’t a general concern.  (That from a friend of mine at Hampton)

  • TonyA_says

    Hey thanks! This is one place I have never cared to go. But since we do mostly multigenerational travel (4 generations) for Xmas, then there is no way my old folks would do northern hemisphere for winter (brrr…). I also got tired of the beach scene (need a change). Maybe getting stuck in the wilderness will do very well for family bonding. So now my research should begin …

  • Dave_Z

    Raven’s snarkiness is indeed rubbing off on you. ;)

    Dave_Z/DavidZ

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Yet apparently in this case it was.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

     Agreed, I often don’t. That’s why I prefaced the comment with “The argument…”

    But in fairness to the mathematically challenged who cannot add the baggage fee,  checked bags have been traditionally included in airfare.  It is reasonable that some infrequent travelers don’t know about them.  As such, when they arrive at the airport with bags they are effectively forced to pay an additional fee which may not be part of the budget.

    By contrast, no one is “forced” to pay for parking or internet in the same way that a passenger might be forced to pay a baggage fee.

    Basically, regardless of where you come down on baggage fees, they are a different animal that parking and internet fees.