So you have a screen shot of your Expedia booking — so what?

How much more proof does he need?
One of the cardinal rules of getting better customer service is keeping meticulous records. When you’re booking online, a screen shot of the purchase is your trump card.

Paul Towse thought he had that trump card when his Expedia UK reservation didn’t turn out as expected. Back in January, he booked a flight between San Francisco and Las Vegas on flights offered by US Airways and operated by United Airlines.

Expedia’s records show that he selected an 8:45 p.m. flight, but that shortly after that, the airline notified him his departure time had shifted to 8:23 p.m.

But that’s not how Towse remembers it. Or what his records show.

I booked a flight that showed on the Expedia website as leaving San Francisco at 1:05 p.m. on the 4th of May and returning on the 7th of May at 1.05 p.m.

When I checked my confirmation that I saw the outward flight was actually confirmed as 8.43 p.m. — clearly not what it said while was booking.

My friend had emailed me the details to make the booking so he too had been onto the website and found the 1:05 p.m. flight (flight number 6728) and he had also taken two screenshots, one showing the date selector field and one showing the flight path selector. They had to be on separate shots because of the way the website scrolls down.

That was upsetting to Towse and his party, because it was a long weekend in Las Vegas. Every minute counted; starting it at 8:43 p.m. instead of 1:05 p.m. made a big difference to them.

Towse asked Expedia to fix his ticket, but it refused.

I reviewed his correspondence, and saw he had the screen shots that seemed to prove he’d made a reservation at 1:05 p.m. Either Towse had misinterpreted the confirmation, or Expedia suffered a computer hiccup.

Which was it?

Here’s Expedia’s answer:

Expedia representatives have thoroughly reviewed the history of Mr. Towse’s reservation, and although Expedia understands that Mr. Towse intended to book a flight that departed around 1 p.m. on May 4, this departure time was not provided at the time of booking.

According to the history of Mr. Towse’s flight reservations, Expedia did not experience any errors during the booking and ticketing process and Expedia can confirm that the flights that were ticketed for Mr. Towse’s reservation are the flights that were selected at the time of booking.

As Expedia has previously confirmed, Mr. Towse is responsible for any airline change fee and any increase in fare will need to be paid in order to modify the flights for an earlier departure.

That’s more or less the same answer they’d given Towse, minus a few details. What is this passenger entitled to when there’s a misunderstanding about the reservation?

Nothing, apparently.

“The part that frustrates me is we clearly have a screenshot showing a 1:05 departure,” says Towse. “They tell me that flight never existed but also tell me the website is not at fault in any way. Well, I can prove it was.”

Towse took the erroneous flight with his friends and is suing Expedia in small claims court. But his experience leaves me with a few unanswered questions:

1) Why do misunderstanding like this continue to happen? How hard can it be to verify that the flight choices you’ve shown the customer are the flights he or she booked?

2) If an online travel agency’s confirmation doesn’t line up with an airline’s schedule, who’s responsible for any resulting confusion?

3) Even when booking through an online travel agency (or a “vending machine” as human agents like to call it) why can’t the agency offer a human touch — a little empathy, a form apology for the misunderstanding, or funny money or to help negotiate a lower change fee with the airline?

And finally, if screen shots aren’t good enough proof of a transaction, then what is?

  • Michael__K

    @TonyA_says:disqus 

    The OP has NOT shown us an itinerary 

    But he has: he claims he was scheduled to leave 13:05 on May 4th and return at 13:00 on May 7th.  

    A confirmation email can be doctored just as easily as a screenshot, so what does that prove?

    There’s no dispute about the return flight.  Expedia is not claiming the OP doesn’t have a ticket.  The OP flew the itinerary so even the airline thinks he had a valid ticket. There’s also no dispute that the confirmation email specified an evening flight (whether that was 20:45 or 20:43).  

    The ONLY question in dispute as far as I can tell is whether or not the OP initially selected a 13:05 flight for May 4th during the reservation process.

  • Michael__K

    moved to new thread.

  • sershev

     Not if you make a change within 24 hr from your original flight. It means if you make your reservation on June 1 for travel on June 15 at 8 pm if you call united or go on united.com between June 14, 8 pm and June 15, 8 pm you can change to an alternative flight for a flat fee of $75. And your new flight has to leave within 24 hrs of the time you making a request. But if you call United for instance on June 12 and ask them to change your flight to a flight on June 15 at 2 pm you’ll pay $150 + fare difference + $25 fee if you book your flight with a travel agency. Delta charges only $50 for the same day change but their window is only 3 hrs. And you don’t pay anything if you are Gold or above with United or Delta. Other airlines have similar policies. It is however not applicable for code sharing flight, i.e. United flight must be operated by United and tickets issued by United.

  • bodega3

    Yes, tickets that are reported to ARC have always had this capablility.  We also have another secret about tickets issued on a Friday :-)

  • bodega3

    And the only way to prove the actual flight is to see his ticketed itinerary, not a screen shot that doesn’t even show dates.  Expedia has that information on their end, as all agencies have access to the history of a PNR, so I believe Expedia at this point. 

  • Michael__K

    When is a PNR created?

    Is it created when you click “Select” on one segment of a potential itinerary (when you haven’t necessarily even logged in yet)?

  • Michael__K

    I think we’re talking in circles.  The OP agrees that his confirmation email said 20:43, and he was allowed to fly on that flight, so I think you are free to assume that was his ticketed itinerary.  

    The real question is, could that have happened even if he never actually clicked “Select” on the 20:43 flight.

  • bodega3

    You have to complete the booking, end the record to get the confirmation number to have a PNR.  In the GDS we can do this without issuing a ticket.  Online you usually have to buy the ticket to get your confirmation number.  Until you have a confirmation, you don’t have anything.  What you picked may not be there when you end the record.  This why I keep saying, you are not even looking at live inventory and why you may get something different coming back to you with OTA. 

  • bodega3

    Towse took the erroneous flight with his friends

    This is what confuses me.  Did his friends then book the later flight after the OP screwed up?

    He wasn’t ‘allowed’ to fly the later flight, he was booked on the later flights and took it.  Somehow what he booked was different than what he was looking at.  His screen shot doesn’t prove anything especially since no dates are noted.

  • Michael__K

    Maybe the friend sent the screenshot of the flight he wanted, and then the OP booked for both of them?  I really don’t know…

    I agree that the screenshot is somewhat of a distraction here.  As I see it, if someone calls immediately upon receiving a confirmation (if that was indeed the case here) and complains that the confirmation doesn’t match what they selected, then I think the OTA (and by extension the airline) should generally give them the benefit of the doubt and treat that as an exception.

    Thankfully, as of January 26th, this shouldn’t be an issue any longer.

  • mikegun

    Is there indication that he DID call immediately? What I interpret is that he booked a flight. A schedule change came through and he THEN checked his original confirmation and saw the wrong time. By this time it was too late to void. I have had OTA’s void for me for many years prior to January 26th with no issue.

    As I stated earlier, not enough info here to make a definitive answer. A timeline would have been helpful.

  • Michael__K

    He noticed the problem when he checked his confirmation.  Most people check their confirmation right away; certainly within 24 hours.

    But you’re absolutely right that we don’t know how many hours it was. That’s why I used the word “if.”

    I believe before January 26th, immediately voiding an erroneous ticket depended on the airline.  Continental would likely have been no problem.  I’m not so sure about US Airways.

  • TonyA_says

    @Michael_K:disqus
    Consider how a travel vending machine works.

    You enter your origin and destination airports, depart and return dates and the number of passengers; click search, and then a ton flights show up for you to choose from. The vending machine simply shows you CACHED searched results that fit your search parameters. This makes sense since you’re porbably an impatient person and can’t wait for more than a few seconds for search results. Also since the OTA knows that you are likely there just to comparison search, then it needs to present a quick-and-dirty search display only. What you are seeing is NOT Live Avaialbility from the airlines.

    After you click SELECT, the vending machine “sells” the flights to create an itinerary. The process of selling a flight requires an acknowledgment from the airline that positive space can be sold for that particular flight(s) and booking class. In other words the airline will confirm that the seat(s) you are trying to sell is AVAILABLE. If it is NOT available the SELL would fail, and the vending machine will ask you to make another choice.
    After you have selected all your flights, you enter your name, phone number and email address. You enter the Secure Flight Passenger Data. You key in you credit card and click BUY.

    When you click BUY, a PNR is created, your credit card charged, and an eticket is issued. The vending machine sends you a confirmation – which is the itinerary as confirmed by the airline as well as other parts of what is called the ticket image (basically pricing and codes).

    When you use a human travel agent, s/he must display LIVE availability first (which also has current flight schedules). Then the TA will sell flights from the Live Availability displays. The itinerary is autorpiced (by the GDS) and the TA quotes you a price. If you like to buy, s/he continues to enter passenger names, phone numbers, a ticketing field and then ends the transaction to create a PNR. Once a PNR is created, a copy is sent to all the carriers involved. They will, in turn, send their own Record Locators (Confirmation Numbers) to the GDS. Payment entry and eticketing follows. The GDS informs the airlines of the eticket coupons issued for each flight segment.

    It is entirely possible that the screen shots captured by the OP was incorrectly displayed by the vending machine since all they are doing is making a dump of their pre-cached (offerings) matrices. But after an itinerary and PNR has been created, I suppose the OTA is sending a confirmation with CORRECT information coming from the airline (or GDS). However, the burden is placed on the BUYER to check the confirmation email for errors. They can always VOID the eticket within 24 hours.

    Human travel agents make less mistakes (IMO) since they are starting from LIVE availability from the get go. Also we can create PNRs (reservations), autoprice them and send our customers a copy of the reservation for them to check before they pay and we ticket. Most airlines give us 24 hours to ticket a domestic reservation and 72 hours for international reservations. OTA vending machines require you to make up your mind and pay immediately. Travel agents can be more polite and patient.

  • mikegun

    Actually, voiding of a ticket prior to jan 26th WAS possible with some OTA’s. I can tell you from experience that Orbitz allowed it with no issues. I can’t speak from experience with Expedia, but knowing the industry’s ticket reporting process I would be surprised if they did as well. 

    They key here is WHEN did the OP notice. If he did so upon receipt of the confirmation screen, I would agree that Expedia  should be more helpful. If he waited until the schedule change came through from US/UA…days? weeks? months? then he learned a valuable lesson to check your confirmations on screen and the emailed version as well.

    Timing is key.

  • midmom8949

    That screen shot really shows nothing.  Where’s the purchase confirmation?  Where’s the form of payment?  

  • Michael__K

    Remember this is US Airways.

    Dec 25 2005:

    US Airways, however, went in the opposite direction, announcing in October that it would no longer offer passengers penalty-free refunds within 24 hours of booking for restricted tickets, but would still give customers who call the option of putting a reservation on hold for that time period. 

    http://travel.nytimes.com/2005/12/25/travel/25prac.html 

    You believe the  OTA is going to eat the cost if US Airways doesn’t void tickets under any timing?

  • Michael__K

    They can always VOID the eticket within 24 hours.

    I’d like to see evidence that US Airways would have allowed this before January 26th or that Expedia would eat the cost if US Airways refuses to void tickets within 24 hours as a matter of policy.

  • TonyA_says

    M_K, you need to understand that if the ticket was issued WITH a payment settlement involving ARC, the agency has 24 hours to VOID the ticket (transaction). The DOT rule has nothing to do with this. This is the CONTRACT (rules) between ARC, the airlines and the agencies. This was done so the agencies can fix their mistakes within 24 hours.

  • ChBot

    I tried, as a family. They allow pre-boarding for peanut allergic (as it is considered a disability), but not for a family with carseats to install and then rudely tell you you are slowing down everyone when you block the aisle with the infants while one of the parents is setting up the seats. 
    Will never fly them again !…

  • Michael__K

    Are you saying that usairways.com doesn’t use ARC and that US Airways passengers could have easily circumvented US Airways’ clearly stated policy restrictions by booking on some other website?

  • TonyA_says

    If the tickets were issued by an AGENCY using ARC payment settlement, the AGENCY has 24 hours to VOID it. That is what I am saying. I know because I am associated with an agency and we do it all the time.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HMW3OTJSBDWWRKIEKEKWWM7BEA bc

    Actually they do allow pre boarding BETWEEN the A & B boarding groups. They just don’t let you board before everyone else. I see nothing wrong with this. Some people pay a premium to be in that A boarding group, just because you’ve managed to breed doesn’t entitle you to board before everyone else. I think the between A & B boarding is a fair compromise.  

    I also don’t see why getting out of the isle is so difficult for some people. Step into the seat in front/behind/next to you or all the way in while it’s being fastened so others can pass. It CAN be done. 

  • Michael__K

    The article I linked to says that Expedia charges for voiding a ticket (in general).

    Furthermore, what’s to stop  Expedia from agreeing to follow US Airways more restrictive policies for bookings on that carrier?

  • bodega3

    Expedia is an OTA and their tickets go through ARC.  An agency has a 24 hour window for voiding ALL tickets.  An agency has to follow the rules of the fare and ARC’s rules.

  • Palmdalegal

    Since I’m basically computer-illiterate, could someone clarify how you fake a screen shot?  I thought it was a “print screen” or a camera photo of the screen; how do you get into the system to fake it? (Like I said, computer-illiterate)

  • BlogLurker

    The screen shot is not helpful.  It contains no dates.  Also, this is a U.S. domestic flight (SFO to LAS), but the screen shot is from a UK website (see phone number shown, the price is in pounds, and it refers to a “return” fare instead of a “round trip” fare).  To quote Marcellus, something is rotten in the state of Denmark!

  • Michael__K

    And if the rules of the fare say no refunds, even within 24 hours, then what?

  • Steve_in_WI

    It always makes me laugh that people complain about Southwest’s “cattle call” boarding when the boarding process at the legacy airlines is much worse.

    On the legacies, people start milling around and clogging up the boarding area at least half an hour before even the elites get to board, people in the first couple of zones have to push past people in the last zone who still feel the need to stand five feet away from the counter, and the whole thing is a hassle. To make it even worse, the boarding announcements are hard to hear in a loud airport even when you’re paying attention and there’s often no visual confirmation of what group is boarding. I’ll take boarding a Southwest flight any day.

  • ChBot

    Just because you never dare to travel with (or maybe even breed as you very politely write) kids doesn’t allow you to be rude !…
    If, like most decent airlines do, they were assigning seats to you (simply allowing you to know that you won’t have to seat your kid next to someone else and you’ll be able to watch after them), I’d have no problem to board last (and have regularly done it as it is much better anyway to allow the kids to run free in the airport to have them seated without fuss during the flight) ! But as I don’t want to impose to others the task of babysitting my kids during a 3+ hours flight, I try to play their stupid boarding process by the rule (and even paid said premium to be able to do it !).
    But I still think that, for families with young children, Southwest’s boarding process is a stupid policy (especially when, at the same time, they let go in the plane before everyone else someone whose only disability is to be allergic to peanuts !!!).
    And I can also clearly understand why many people will agree to and even like it !

    As for clearing the aisle, not so easy to do when most people have already filled aisle seats and/or you are towing a car seat, diaper bag, 2 kids, a few toys / plush to keep them occupied during the flight !…
    And if Southwest didn’t want to slow down the process, all they had to do was to tell us that we could pre-board but only to choose  seats in the last rows of the plane and/or block adjacents seats for families !

  • bodega3

    A void isn’t a refund. We have always had the 24 hour window. 

  • Michael__K
  • bodega3

    Michael, you have to understand that you don’t understand the ticketing business.  Every agency can charge a fee, it is up to them.  Also, a cancel is very different than a void in airline ticketing. A cancel is after the 24 hour window. 

  • Michael__K

    @bodega3:disqus
    Why don’t you direct your contempt and condescension to the source and tell Expedia that they don’t understand the ticketing business?

    If you booked your flight ticket yesterday or today, you may have the option to cancel your ticket for a full refund. Choose your itinerary from My Itineraries and select the Cancel this Flight link below your flight itinerary.

    http://support.expedia.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1484/~/how-do-i-cancel-a-flight-reservation%3F 

    Sorry, Expedia seems to think you can cancel (their word) a ticket purchased today.  Sometimes.  But not necessarily.

  • Michael__K

    see http://www.elliott.org/blog/so-you-have-a-screen-shot-of-your-booking-so-what/#comment-556742299

  • Dave_Z

    “Expedia should have done it.”

    How do they know it’s a mistake to begin with unless told on time?

  • Dave_Z

    MS Paint, Photoshop, etc. and a little practice.

  • Dave_Z

    I’d like to see evidence that US Airways would have allowed this before January 26th

    http://www.usairways.com/en-US/traveltools/specialneeds/ticketingpolicies/default.html

    24-hour refund rule
    You’re allowed to cancel your US Airways ticket (refundable or non-refundable) for a full refund (and no change fees and/or difference in fare).

    Rules:
    Must call 800-428-4322 within 24 hours of purchase to cancel and (request a refund)
    Does not apply to Dividend Miles award tickets

  • Dave_Z

    If you booked your flight ticket yesterday or today, you may
    have the option to cancel your ticket for a full refund. Choose your
    itinerary from My Itineraries and select the Cancel this Flight link
    below your flight itinerary.

    http://support.expedia.com/app… 

    Sorry, Expedia seems to think you can cancel (their word) a ticket purchased today.  Sometimes.  But not necessarily.

    Michael, it says MAY have the option IF you booked your flight ticket YESTERDAY or TODAY. That’s still within ARC’s 24-hour cancel/void period as the others explained especially to correct mistakes.

    Maybe Expedia could’ve stated that instead. Why they didn’t is up to them, although I can think of a few arguably understandable reasons why.

    BTW, the travel agency I worked for in a previous life is also contracted with ARC like other airlines such as US Airways, UA, etc. Most if not all contracted with ARC have that 24-hour thing.

    You could say this is one of those “dirty little secrets” airlines and travel agencies don’t necessarily want people to know exactly, or they do but up to a point.
     

  • Dave_Z

    If you booked your flight ticket yesterday or today, you may
    have the option to cancel your ticket for a full refund. Choose your
    itinerary from My Itineraries and select the Cancel this Flight link
    below your flight itinerary.

    http://support.expedia.com/app… 

    Sorry, Expedia seems to think you can cancel (their word) a ticket purchased today.  Sometimes.  But not necessarily.

    Michael, it says MAY have the option IF you booked your flight ticket YESTERDAY or TODAY. That’s still within ARC’s 24-hour cancel/void period as the others explained especially to correct mistakes.

    Maybe Expedia could’ve stated that instead. Why they didn’t is up to them, although I can think of a few arguably understandable reasons why.

    BTW, the travel agency I worked for in a previous life is also contracted with ARC like other airlines such as US Airways, UA, etc. Most if not all contracted with ARC have that 24-hour thing.

    You could say this is one of those “dirty little secrets” airlines and travel agencies don’t necessarily want people to know exactly, or they do but up to a point.
     

  • Michael__K

    You’re quoting from today’s policy.  

    Here is a summary of the airline policies before that:
    http://www.jaunted.com/story/2010/1/18/8351/49785/travel/How+To+Cancel+Your+Airline+Ticket+Within+24+Hours 

  • Michael__K

    If they mean 24 hours — all airlines and no exceptions — then what is the understandable reason why they don’t come out and say so?

    I thought passengers have no right to demand anything that isn’t in the written contract.

    And why is it so easy to find flyers who report difficulties undo-ing an Expedia ticket inside of 24 hours– told that it depends on the airline… that there are onerous fees… that they sometimes get non-air credits instead of a refund, etc.?  Is everyone making stories up?

  • Dave_Z

    Oh, that you’d probably have to check with US Airways. If it means anything, I’ve “voided” or canceled customers’ US Airways tickets within their (actually almost) 24-hour period from 2008 to 2010 without charge in my TA days.

    One of these days I’ll share notes with Chris and the other TA guys here, probably as some ways for other passengers to get some form of help.

  • bodega3

    Every agency can decide to do voids for clients or not do voids and if they want to charge a fee.  I am sure due to the way Expedia is set up, handling voids could be a PITA without charging some fee.

  • Michael__K

    BTW, this is Orbitz’s policy:

    Orbitz offers you the convenience to cancel certain flights online through My Trips.

    Some flight cancellations do not carry an airline penalty if cancelled within a short window.  We call this a “courtesy cancel.”  If your reservation qualifies for a courtesy cancellation, you will see this message when you click “Cancel flights” from your My Trips page:

    [image removed]

    Please note: The refund amount includes only the ticket cost, not any Orbitz service fees. Cancellations are final and cannot be reversed. You will need to book a new reservation at current prices.

    Not all reservations are eligible for a courtesy cancel, and cancellation vary.  Exceptions include:
       – flights that are part of a package
       – airline tickets issued as paper tickets
       - flights booked with certain airlines.  

    If your reservation no longer qualifies for a courtesy cancellation, you will be advised if the value of the ticket can be applied to a future flight booking.  

    https://faq.orbitz.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/11695/~/canceling-a-flight-online

  • bodega3

    YOU don’t understand how this all works and are not paying attention to what is being told you.  Being able to void a ticket has ALWAYS been allowed within 24 hours from the ticketing time, which is noted in each and every PNR.  Expedia just made their own policy on how they would handle it, plain and simple.  It was allowed!

  • bodega3

    The ‘courtesy cancel’ is a void on published fares.  A ‘courtesy cancel’  can be an actual cancellation on a bulk or net fare up to the contracted rule on ticketing deadline. Bulk and net fares are often charged in house and then the ticket is run through ARC as a cash transaction.

  • Michael__K

    No, re-read the posts you’ve been replying to.  

    This thread started with the claim that the OP would have had no problem if he checked his confirmation w/i 24 hours and called Expedia.

    I asked for evidence that Expedia would have helped him  (with a US Air ticket) and you resorted to lots of  condescension and non-sequitors and now you finally admit that Expedia was free to help him or not help him entirely at their discretion.

  • Michael__K

    That makes some sense.  

    And it answers your own question as to why the OP might have been at loggerheads with Expedia even if he called within 1 minute of completing his booking.

    Note also that Orbitz’s policy specifically states that courtesy cancellations are not permitted for ”flights booked with certain airlines.”

    And note that even though Expedia’s policy doesn’t explicitly address “flights booked with certain airlines”, there are several commenters on flyertalk who report that this restriction exists (or at least existed) with Expedia as well.

  • bodega3

    I never questioned when he called.  I was only responding to YOUR entries, nobody elses.

  • bodega3

    Oh lordy you give me a headache!