Ridiculous or not? “Low cost” airlines that cost more

When David Simon wanted to fly from Milwaukee to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., he assumed “low cost” airline Southwest would offer the lowest fare.

Then he did the math.

A roundtrip flight on Southwest – including two “free” bags – cost $334.

He checked US Airways’ fares. Even after he factored in $25 for the first checked bag, $35 for the second and $60 for a premium seat reservation, it still came to $227 – more than $100 less than Southwest.

“It’s a reason to hate when an airline says ‘bags fly free,’ says Simon, who is an occasional Southwest passenger and like other air travelers, automatically assumes a “low cost” carrier actually offers the lowest fares.

His experience – which, by the way, is hardly unusual – raises an interesting question: Are our assumptions about airfares all wrong?

Let’s get one misconception out of the way first. “Low cost” carriers were never really about fares; they were more about the airline’s own operating costs. Airlines started after deregulation were inevitably called “low cost” or “discount” because their expenses were lower than those of the “legacy” airlines that existed before deregulation.

Fares are set by expensive machines that predict supply and demand, but also by yield managers who factor in issues that an algorithm can’t, such as customer perception. And if an airline like Southwest is perceived to have a better fare, then it can often name its own ticket prices.

It helps that pretty much the only place you can buy a Southwest Airlines ticket is through Southwest.com, which makes a side-by-side comparison with a competitor difficult. Some bargain-hunters wouldn’t even bother to shop around.

Perhaps they should.

Lissa Hoeprich did when she was looking for flights to Portland, Maine. Usually she finds a cheap fare on Southwest to Manchester, NH, and then rents a car. But she says she was shocked when she discovered she could fly directly to Portland and save $140 on US Airways.

“We didn’t need to check luggage, but even if we had, that would have been much cheaper than the Southwest tickets,” she says.

At best, this is a cautionary tale about labels in the airline business. When anyone refers to themselves as “discount” or “low cost” – be careful. (And if they have the audacity to call themselves “ultra” low fare, be extra careful.)

Labels can be problematic, if not misleading, and just because you call yourself something doesn’t make it so.

But at worst, this is a case study of several airlines leveraging a well-earned reputation for low fares to their short-term advantage. Look, I love the “bags fly free” ads as much as the next airline passenger, as much as I’m enamored of JetBlue’s stylish “you above all” advertising campaign that evokes the Pan Am era of air travel.

But if those ads make us turn a blind eye to the true cost of air travel, where does that leave us? Paying higher fares, often without knowing it, that’s where.

I think that’s unfortunate.

I’d rather knowingly pay a reasonable premium for the superior customer service offered by the likes of JetBlue and Southwest than be duped into shelling out more by a slick ad campaign. Or by my own ignorance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    1.       I provided information as a data point based on my actual searches, nothing more.  I did not make a blanket statement that every seat on every day is more expensive on WN than UA.

    2.       I have to be certain places on certain times and on certain days.  Every time I searched for this schedule WN was constantly $300 to $400 more expensive.

    3.       Just because WN has published fares, does not mean they currently have inventory for sale at the lowest published fare.

    4.       The B6 flights on the days I am traveling are red-eyes only, so I did not consider them.
     
    Tony, I don’t know what your problem is. But every time I post something on Chris’s site, you seem to tear me apart and try to disprove everything I say and make meaningless arguments over semantics rather than the actual topic of discussion.  Now you state that “If I search properly…”  Well I did search properly based on my work travel as I clearly stated. 
     
    I think you are nothing more than a cyber-bully, who is so upset about his own life that the only thing you can do to make yourself feel better is to go on forums and try to rip people apart.  We are all here to discuss things, and you seem to miss the point of a discussion entirely.

  • MichelleLV

    Marketing directors are having an easier time.   Too many people can’t do the math to figure out the price per unit even though their intention is to get the lowest price.  Is the company to blame?-Nope.  The price is posted and the size is located on the item. 

  • Tony A.

    Emanon256, you made the ff assertions:
    (1)”There are only two airlines that have direct flights between these two cities, United and SouthWest.” 
    Well , JetBlue flies up to 2 nonstops flts daily.

    (2) “Every week I checked, SouthWest was $300 to $400 more than United. That
    is shocking to me!  That’s more than 2 changes on United plus a bag
    checked in both directions.”
    Since you said you are looking at flights A MONTH OUT, then it’s VALID to include the WN fares that are ACTUALLY AVAILABLE SEATS 12 DAYS FROM NOW. My GDS cannot search WN fares, just like you I have to go to SWA website to get the actual fare.

    Here’s the issue Emanon256, if I find a incredible assertion, I check it. You and I certainly do not want to leave an impression that SWA fares are $300-$400 more expensive than UA’s. I believe that is not fair to Southwest Airlines.

  • MichelleLV

    What is ridiculous is to see that most people have voted yes.  I think asking this question might have more validity than at first thought because it puts a little insight to the number of people who want no accountability in life.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Fine, have fun policing the entire internet. 
     
    I was simply sharing what I found with my specific bookings that with those bookings, UA was cheaper than WN.  I am not trying to be unfair to WN, I am simply sharing what I found.  I also shared in an earlier post on one flight that WN was cheaper than UA and I flew them.  Was that not fare to UA?  Are you going to defend them now?
     
    I am glad you found a random flight on a random Monday (12 days from today) for less than my flight in one month so that you can defend Southwest and prove me wrong.

  • Anna

    I don’t think it’s fair to label this as the “European” model – it’s what Ryanair does, and to some extent EasyJet, but it’s not the norm. The biggest trick up their sleeve, though, is how they name the airports they fly to – their so-called Munich, Madrid and London destinations are like 2 hours by bus/train from those cities.

  • Brooklyn

    Read my post again: I use Expedia, Travelocity, etc. to compare fares, then I
    buy from the airline’s website.  Why would I add an extra step by comparing the
    best of those rates with SW’s rates for the flight I’m interested in, especially
    as we now know that SW isn’t necessarily cheaper? Since SW offers free bag
    check, I might buy a SW ticket – on its website – even if it cost a bit more,
    but only if it were included in the Expedia search.  Didn’t AA try this awhile ago and end uphaving to re-list with Orbitz?  I haven’t checked lately as I don’t fly the legacy carriers and haven’t flown within the US since the pornoscanners came in.

  • Tom RI

    I just did a pvd to cho comparison and SW$346.80 , UA $345.30, US $344, DELTA $346.80  all charged the same fare with US being the LOWEST and SW/DElta the HIGHEST.  So whats the difference?  Assigned seats?  cattle calls? Free drinks? Bags? —-for me it is the STOP over in January location.  Delta is taking me to Atlanta, US+UA it is CLT SW BWI –who is going to get the snowstorm hit ?  Then there is the last flight out SW is dropping me off at 11pm at night—bad move here.

    Even with a $25 bag fee UA or US is the better choice going into CLT and having a 9pm drop off rather then a 11pm in the DEAD OF WINTER.

  • Tony A.

    Emanon256, I actually make money selling UA/CO tickets. I can’t sell WN tickets. I have nothing against UA because they feed me. I have nothing to gain defending WN because they don’t feed me. I would fly UA/CO/WN/DL/AA/B6 etc. but I will not justify the airline I choose to buy by putting down other airlines or making incredible claims. If you love flying UA, fine. If you hate WN, fine, just say it straight.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    Really Arizona? “The same or much lower”? Never “somewhat lower”? Never “just a tad higher? ALWAYS the same or much lower?

    I realize (as you’ve made clear) you hate Southwest – for whatever reason, be it lack of assigned seating, lack of a real “elite” status, lack of first class, lack of, well, whatever. But I can assure you – if Southwest didn’t fly into Phoenix, US Airways’ fares would be a lot higher than they are now. You can take any city with low-cost carriers against comparable, equidistant cities without them, and check fares to destinations served by the low-cost carrier: the legacy carriers jack the prices up on flights where there’s no low-cost competition to make up for what they lose when they have to compete fairly for the same business. Lose that competition, and your precious US Airways would screw you to the wall.

  • Anonymous

    Southwest is pretty good when it comes to their fare specials.  They also make it really easy for people to figure out that it’s maybe $99 to fly out and $129 to fly back.  You’re not left trying to figure out which flight combination yields the lowest fare.

    They’re also pretty good when it comes to full-fare.  I think their fully-refundable fares are probably much better than those of the legacy carriers.

  • Tony A.

    Bravo! You just showed that when seats are available for each airline’s lowest fare, the price of the ticket across all of the airlines would be more or less be the same. Therefore, you simply pick the airline that will give you the most convenient flight. (Of course you need to weigh whether bag fee or change fees will enter you own equation.)

    This makes one wonder why there are many OTAs and meta-search sites doing shopping comparisons? What’s the point of making a lot of comparisons if  airline fares will likely be the same if you buy early enough and seats are widely available?  Just pick your favorite airline and fly! Essentially market competition will force airlines to offer the same fares.

    However, when seat availability tightens, it’s a different story. You are really searching for (remaining) available seats at each airlines least expensive booking classes and then comparing what you’ve found. Hence, you have to shop around because the VARIABILITY of ticket prices has increased.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    And I don’t disagree that these might all be reasons someone would choose US Airways over Southwest. But if, like 90% or more of fliers, you are never going to be paying to sit in first class, whether it exists or not is irrelevant. Scratch that – if you’re flying coach, you’re better off in a one-class airplane, because the flight attendants are divided equally among all coach seats. On a typical 2-class, narrow-body flight, you have one attendant catering to the whims of the eight or twelve people in first class, and just two to split up the 95% of passengers who are in coach. The same applies to airport lounges – to which most people will never be admitted (which is the entire point). As for assigned seating, it only helps on USAirways if you are willing to pay more for the premium seats; otherwise, what’s the point of knowing WHICH tiny coach seat you’re going to be crammed into? With Southwest, you can board and pick the best seat available at that point, and if I recall correctly, there’s greater seat pitch on Southwest than in coach on USAirways.

    Likewise, if you don’t fly internationally for work (like 90% or more of fliers), and/or you don’t plan to enter the Legacy Airlines Miles Lottery to determine when or if they *might* deign to let you cash in your miles on an international ticket with a routing you can actually use, the overseas route network of a carrier is a worthless benefit. In fact, some of the worst airports to fly into, for a domestic passenger, are the big “international” hubs like Atlanta, Chicago, LAX, the NY airports, and so forth – international flight clutter can make domestic traveling miserable.

    “More domestic flights” isn’t necessarily valid. You live at a US Airways hub, so of course you have lots of domestic flights available on them. If you live in a city that’s not a hub for one of the five legacies, and if no one of them dominates your airport, then you are unlikely to have more than three, possibly four flights a day on a given carrier, all of which will be to the nearest hub, none of them direct flights to any distant airport. Southwest’s point-to-point system, on the other hand, can actually produce far more options (and more useable ones) to your ultimate destination.

    For instance, flying New Orleans to Phoenix – your own airline’s hub – on Southwest I could take any of nine flights, eight of which are moving me in the correct direction the entire time and take no more than six hours, some as short as three and a half. On USAirways virtually every flight option routes me up through DC, Charlotte, Chicago or Philadelphia (!) with no times shorter than 7 hours and many taking more than ten.

    Sure, for those willing to pay for first class seating, airport lounges, and so forth, legacy airlines are quite nice. Otherwise, their fees and service levels are a big middle finger to the bulk of their flying customers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    You’re more polite than I would be, flutiefan. That six-month claim about fares being higher than before Southwest entered the market is so patently untrue that to write it borders on deliberately lying.

    ArizonaRoadWarrior happens to live near an airport where (a) Southwest has a large presence, but where (b) America West was formerly headquartered and hubbed, and (c) America West bought USAirways and chose to take that as its business name instead of keeping its own. As a result, his home airport is probably one of the only ones where USAirways is determined to keep prices low, probably well below cost, in order to protect its home base. Ask people who live in a city where USAirways is the dominant carrier and there isn’t a low-cost alternative how much fares are.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    This makes no sense.

    It’s the *other* airlines who have all the extra fees – fees to reserve a specific seat at booking time, fees to check bags, fees to change tickets, fees for a “premium” seat, fees for… well, you name it. If you hate fees, why NOT pay a premium to the airline that offers the fewest fees and reward them for a business model that better suits you?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    Consistent with what? Are you saying you routinely check other flight arrangements – different city pairs, different dates, different advance notice amounts – and *this* particular experience was consistent with them? Because as I read your post, you only checked one fare for one flight.

    Again, that particular flight – ANY particular flight – may be more, or less, on a given airline.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    Brooklyn – your approach works for you – so go right ahead. I would term it the “lazy man’s approach” except that if you’re already willing to look at both Expedia and Travelocity and “etc.” (whatever that encompasses-Orbitz?), I can’t see how not looking one additional place is so much work that you can call it laziness to skip it.

    I, on the other hand, think the possibility of saving some money is worth the extra minute and thirty seconds it takes to check a fare on Southwest – and if it’s cheaper, I am already right there for booking it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    Jebaker – if you can check in online, it matters not one whit whether you get to the airport “early” or whether you get there just before they start lining people up to board. You’ll have a boarding position that’s set, either way, at the time of check-in.

    Until a few years ago, yes, it paid to both check in online exactly 24 hours in advance AND to show up early at the airport, because all you got was a group (A B or C), and if you wanted to be at the head of the A line, you got to the terminal early and camped out under the boarding sign. With the new system, that’s all gone – you board in the order of check-in, period.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    And again – on any particular flight, the options may or may not be the best for you on any given airline. Even to an apparently non-existent location like “CHO”. Wherever it is, if you were flying with a checked bag, all the airlines other than southwest would immediately cost you $50 more ($25 for a checked bag each way). Two checked bags, because it’s winter and you have a bunch of heavy clothes for a vacation? Make that $120 more. The times might still be bad, but that’s a schedule issue, and those change constantly.

  • Bodega

    Delta doesn’t offer senior fares and Southwest’s senior fares have less restrictions than the Delta nonrefundable advance purchase fare. So you aren’t comparing apples to apples.

  • Bodega

    What you don’t understand about Expedia, Travelocity and the others in regards to issuing tickets is that they have to report to ARC just like the the rest of us.  Southwest isn’t on all airline reservation systems only two that I know of.  I don’t know what system(s) the OTA’s use, but if they can’t issue Southwest tickets because of the system, then they can’t have those fares on their website.

  • Jason

    There are many airports that Southwest doesn’t fly to that other airlines do. And between many other city pairs, particularly longer flights, Southwest will require to you transfer once or twice, while several other airlines fly direct (New York-Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, for instance).

    In my experience, seat pitch and service between airlines is about the same overall. Really. Southwest used to be better with these, but in the past year or two, I can’t tell a whole lot of difference. The assigned seats work both ways, too: you could just as easily get stuck in a middle seat in the back on Southwest unless you pay for early boarding, just as easily as you could on any legacy carrier.

  • Bodega

    I think you are misunderstanding Tony’s posts, as I fully understand what he is telling you. 

    The whole point of his posts and mine today are to show/tell those of you who shop online that what you see is only part of the story.  All you are seeing is what is available for the dates you put in.  If you put in for two people, there actually may be a lower fare for one and then passenger pays the next higher fare, but you don’t know that, we do on our live systems. 

    With the airlines being online for the public to book and buy tickets, they are making more money off you because of what you don’t see and don’t know.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    Thank you Bodega.  Your responses are always clear and non-attacking and I appreciate them.  I also appreciate you clarifying.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I am not justifying one airline over another.  In one post I said on a certain time and day WN was cheaper than UA and I flew WN.  I said on another day and time WN was more expensive than UA.  I am not putting either airline down.  They are just usually more expensive on the dates and times I fly, when I book. I gave an example in agreement with Chris, and an example that was in disagreement with Chris.

    If you want me to say it straight, I’ll tell you I hate both airlines and prefer F9.

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t read all the comments, but in my experience, Southwest does two things:
    1) They force the other airlines who serve the city-pair (in this case MKE-FLL) to lower their fares.   Yes you have to change on WN, but you have to do that on almost every carrier excepting maybe Frontier’s poor excuse for the corpse of Midwest Airlines.  I am sure that before Southwest served both MKE *and FLL, fares were much higher.
    2) Southwest offers reasonable last-minute or “walk-up” fares so that a trip that needs to be made can be made without a second mortgage.  But that’s not applicable in this case.

    Caveat Emptor!

  • flutiefan

    in the past year or 2 you think the seat pitch has changed on SWA? i assure you, it hasn’t.

  • http://www.pamebouzoukia.gr/club/camas-the-club-kolwnaki-kratiseis camas the club

    Ok sometimes you may have a problem.. but cause i have traveled a lot of times with ryanair… i didnt have a problem… maybe i dont think i was of the lucky ones!

  • flutiefan

    you are correct that there are “WEB ONLY!” fares. however, they are listed under “Wanna get Away” on the fare chart.

  • flutiefan

    i, too, was wondering what the heck “CHO” is. maybe he meant Charleston?

  • CTP

    Choosing an airline or flight first depends on your flying patterns which include frequency, time of year, destinations, and routing. Then based on that criteria selecting the best option for you can be made. It may well be that WN and other carriers fit quite well, or it may be that the legacy carriers make much more sense. If you know you are going to purchase a specific product (like a car or major appliance) do you only go to one store without checking to see what the price for that product is elsewhere? Why is the purchase of an airfare supposed to be any different, due diligence would certainly require anyone to figure out what the best fare for them would be. 

  • Rcil

    David Simon should consider, that although Southwest costs more, he’s likely to have a much better experience with them than with bottom rated US Airways. I’d pay the extra in return for being as sure as I can be that I and my bags will actually arrive on time.

  • Mark K

    CHO =  Charlottesville VA

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    Payless on the other hand…

  • Tony A.

    It’s where University of Virginia is. Pretty area, college town.

  • Scott

    Those of you who keep posting in favor of Southwest because you ONLY have to pay the fare difference are missing the whole picture.  Southwest sets their fares by advance purchase: 21 days AP, 7 days AP, no AP or walk-up.  If you purchased a 21 day AP fare, and want to change at the last minute, you WILL pay the difference to the walk-up fare, which can be considerable, often $200-300.

    On a legacy carrier, yes, the rule is the change-fee plus the fare difference — IF THERE IS ONE, but it is often possible that you ONLY have to pay the change fee.  There is no automatic fare difference, but there is on Southwest.  Changing your ticket on a legacy may often be only $150 flat, but Southwest’s fare difference will usually be more, especially if you purchased 21+ days in advance.

  • Tony A.

    You’ll likely have the same problem with legacy carriers since their cheapest fares also have a 14-21 day advanced purchase requirement. So you might be better off with WN since you save the change PENALTY fee ($150).

    Last July-August, we did make a change for 5 tickets (LGA-LIT) and it cost us $5 each on WN. Had I did the same on DL/UA (which we usually fly for this route), it would have cost me $150 x 5 plus fare difference if any. Note this was not a last minute change.

    That’s said a last minute change for any carrier will usually burn a whole in your pocket since there will likely be no seat allocation on any cheap fare bucket.

  • Steve R

    Exactly. Plus, the fact that Southwest doesn’t charge change fees is a benefit if you want the flexibility to change your flights further in advance. We’ve benefited from this twice already. Once, we were traveling with my in-laws and found out a month before the trip that they had accidentally booked a different outgoing flight. The prices of the two flights were identical, so we simply switched to theirs, at no cost. The other time, we found a great rate on a doable but less-than-ideal outgoing flight and booked it. After a couple weeks of searching, we found a day where the price on our preferred flight had dropped until it was almost as low, changed our booking, and paid only about $30 total.

  • Steve R

    Your mileage may vary, but checking in exactly 24 hours before the flight has gotten me an “A” boarding pass every time except once, when I was given a very early “B”. IMHO, that’s fine…I don’t need to be the first one on the plane; I just want a window seat.

  • Puck2u

    Whenever I check Southwest out of STL at least a week in advance, the fare is higher than USAir.  Usually have a stop somewhere but I’m retired so don’t care.  Every segment including on board crew were wonderful, check in a breeze except TSA as usual, etc.  Spent $112 less per ticket than Southwest.  I’ve always shopped around and usually get a better fare.  Sometimes it takes calling an airline directly and hopefully getting a sharp agent that will figure out how to give me better fare than online.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Except that on that route NO ONE checks luggage.  Go to the baggage claim section and you will notice that the carousel has one single red bag on it.  I know cause its my bag and I don’t pay to check luggage on AA.

    That particular route is a commuter route.  It’s laden with business travelers who are more likely to be elite members, or are staying for a very short period of time and can make due with a carryon

    The folks who are most likely to pay for luggage on that flight are vacationers and they’re most likely to drive that particular corridor.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Kevin

    Actually

    Business and First class fliers subsidize some of the cheaper coach seats. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    So you paid $200 as an insurance against perhaps paying $300.00 in change fees. Seems like a bad deal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    I would hope that when someone is comparing prices they consider the likelihood of needing to change fllights, carry bags, etc.

    Two weeks ago, I had to fly to LA for a emergency court hearing.  The one way fare was $165 for a restricted ticket, $178 for an unrestricted ticket.  I choose the $178 because my plans were not solidified and I wasn’t sure if I would make my flight.    I paid $13 to insure against a $150 change fee. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Because everyone has a difference time value of money.  Perhaps Brooklyn finds searching on websites to be tedious. 

    I used to shop for the cheapest car rental.  I checked the megasites and the individual sites.  In my experiences, after an hour of searching I would save $5 per day.  I quickly concluded that the $5/day saving wasn’t worth it and focused on two rental companies.

    I have better things to do with my time than messing around on the internet to save a couple bucks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    I too pay a premium to rent at hertz for a variety of reasons.  My experiences at Alamo/national and dollar were routinely abyssmal.

    The issue with discussing southwest is that different people have different needs and are actually receiving a different product. 

    Some of Southwest strengths are, 2 bads fly free and no change fee,

    Since I don’t pay for checked bags and I rarely change my flights, those two big advantages are meaningless to me

    By comparison, assigned seats are crucial to me.  I tend to be the passenger running down the tarmac asking the capitain to stop the plane.  If I booked southwest I’d always be in a middle seat in the back row.

    So, i think its really what’s important to you based on your travel habits and needs
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    No thank you.

    I made 30 round trip trips from the Bay area to LA last year.  Most at $98 round trip.  I’d rather keep that $900 in my pocket than give it to you.

    I live in the Bay Area. I lived in LA for 13 years.  I seriously doubt that you could give me $900 worth of services under these circumstances.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    you are 1005 correct.  When I shop in advance, I just pick AA.com.  I know what I am getting, it works for me, the prices are usuallly comparable with others.

    When inventory tightens and I am flying out of SFO to LAX, I often fly Virgin America.  AA usually costs about $160ish each way plus $30 to hopefuly upgrade to first class.  Virgin will guarantee me a first class ticket for $200ish each way.  About the same.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    Time = money

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEPJGQPIEB75YYDE5CJY6R3VFE Carver Clark Farrow II

    I don’t know if this is still true, but on American, if you changed the outbound flight you were basically screwed.  The outbound ticket was repriced at the current price plus change fee

    But if you changed the inbound flight, the repricing was based upon the pricing structure as of the day you bought the ticket, assuming that fare class was still available.

    Perhaps on of the TA can explain it better.  I thought that was weird but made use of that fact on vacations.