Our host died and Dad’s not well — how about a refund?

Life happens, they say. But it really happened to Dee Nemeth and her husband, Don.

They had nonrefundable tickets from Chicago to Huntsville, Ala., on United Airlines, to visit a family friend, last year. But they never made it.

“The day before our departure, our friend’s daughter called to tell us her father had unexpectedly been taken to the hospital,” she says. “Obviously, we needed to postpone our trip which we did, initially. But sadly, our host died at 1 a.m. on the day we were to leave.”

The Nemeths accepted United Airlines’ terms, which are the industry standard: A $150 change fee plus any fare differential, to be used within a year of the initial booking date. United even agreed to waive the change fee because of the medical emergency.

But then, life happened again.

Within the year, my dad became more frail (having broken his hip and suffering from black-out episodes) and his doctor suggested that he shouldn’t travel.

When my husband and I re-booked our flights in January of this year, we asked that my father’s ticket cost be applied to ours, but the agent told us that was not possible.

Nemeth was left with the impression that because of her father’s medical condition, he might get a full refund. And that’s where she and United Airlines couldn’t come to an agreement.

We were told that $300 would be credited back to our card, and that it would take two billing cycles. We waited for three billing cycles, but nothing.

We called again and were told we should re-submit the request with all supporting documentation, which we did. We waited again, but nothing. So we called again, and were told we had to re-submit everything again. Which we did.

Then came United’s final answer, a tone-deaf form letter denying everything:

We regret the circumstances described in your letter. Our thoughts are with you and your family at this difficult time.

We understand that a loss of a loved one one is a time of stress, in which hastily planned travel is often a necessity.

United Airlines offers a compassion fare in the event of the death of an immediate family member. Since your request is not for an eligible family member, we are unable to honor your request.

I am sorry that we cannot do more for you during this difficult time.

I suggested Nemeth appeal to someone higher up at United, but United didn’t bother to respond.

I’m moving this into the “case dismissed” file, but I’m not happy about it. United Airlines has several inquiries from me that are have as much merit as Nemeth’s, and it hasn’t bothered responding to them. I’m left with the impression that it simply doesn’t care.

There’s a valuable lesson for all of us in this case. First, to be clear, United didn’t have to refund anything. Her tickets were nonrefundable.

But if it was going to make an exception, Nemeth should have gotten the promise in writing — not by phone. Talk is cheap, as they say.

I can understand the airline industry’s reasons for having these strict nonrefundability rules, but if it’s going to bend them, then it should at least stick to its promises. But absent any documentation that an airline would make an exception to its rules, there’s very little anyone can do.

  • TonyA_says

    My son won a spot in our magnet school. If he decides not to go there, he cannot transfer that privilege to his cousin.

  • TonyA_says

    No Carver, these Travel Taxes and Fees are specifically levied because you WILL USE something. If you don’t get to use that something then they should be returned.

    For example, the Airport Passenger Facility Fee (typically $4.50) and the  (TSA) Security Fee $2.50 is charged PER ENPLANEMENT. If you never enplaned (departed) then there should be no charge. Same for US immigration, customs, APHIS fees, etc.

  • TonyA_says

    Carver, did you ever do TRANSPORTATION work before deregulation? We had books and books of tariffs just to make sure every shipper PAID the same price.

    Shippers who were cut some slack (given a discount) off tariff could be charged at some point in the future for the difference they did not  pay.

    Your example of Frequent Flyer Program is flawed. Everyone CAN JOIN an airlines FQTV program. But all similarly situated FQTV members must have the same rules applied to them for fares.

    UA can give away vouchers as hush money when people come to Elliott to complain. That’s how they can go around the implementing the rules equally. But to outright say we will EXCUSE THIS ONE from the rules is verbotten.

  • TonyA_says

    Re: people have issues with all airlines.

    In that case people should begin to accept reality or stop flying.

    I specialize in International Air travel. I sell tickets of the 5-Star rated Airlines day in, day out. The 5-Star year-to-year mainstays are Singapore (SQ), Cathay Pacific (CX), Asiana (OZ) and Qatar (QR) airlines. If you still don’t like these airlines, perhaps you should consider buying your own jet or chartering one.

    That said, all of the four 5-star airlines offer DISCOUNTED fares to their destinations. If you look at the RULES for these discounted fares, they are also most NON-REFUNDABLE or REFUNDABLE WITH A SUBSTANTIAL PENALTY FEE. All of them are NON-TRANSFERABLE. In other words, even the world’s best airlines have strict rules that most people can whine about.

    Frankly, I don’t know what “all the people” want or think they can get. But my message to them is “get real”. If you want to be treated better ride in the front cabin. Money talks and BS walks.

  • bodega3

    They use to.  But the phony Doctors notes caused them to change their policies. 

  • bodega3

    Hertz and National get complaints, too, maybe not to this site like Enterprise does.  Many of the high end hotels have issues and I have given two of my own with 5 star properties.  It could be that guests who have issues/problems with those hotels know have to go about getting their problem resolved and don’t have the same foot stomping, I want something for my problem need to write to an ombudsman?

  • finance_tony

    “No employee of UA has the authority to alter, modify, or waive any provision of the contract of carriage or this tariff…..”

  • TonyA_says

    You are 100% correct. That’s standard in all COCs and tariffs for common carriers. Been trying to say that all along but Carver does not believe it.

  • judyserienagy

    It’s a cruel world.  If you can’t afford to lose the money you pay for a trip, then book tickets that you can change without a fee.  The penalty to rebook tix you’ve already paid for is annoying, but that’s how the seller wants it and you’re agreeing to it when you buy the ticket.  People don’t like it, but it’s pretty simple stuff.

  • Bill Armstrong

    Here;s a good heads up:  United Customer service doesn’t seem to read or comprehend letters that are sent to them.  There is no sense explaining something to them.  They will pick one key word or phrase out of your letter, even if it isn’t the key point, and respond with a form letter.

    They might as well not even use people to craft the response, it often has little or no bearing upon what  you’ve talked about.  Follow up letters are often ignored, even if you take pains to explain it to them.

    I have written to United Airlines customer service twice, and both times it has been an exercise in frustration.  They are utterly and completely useless.