Is this the latest car rental scam?

Your rental car is fine — just sign here.

Next time you hear that, remember what happened to Chuck Johns when he picked up his rental car from Europcar in Paris.

“The agent asked me to sign that there was no damage,” he says. “How did he know there was no damage, I asked. He said, ‘I know’.”

He didn’t.

Fortunately, Johns didn’t take the employee’s word for it.

I went to get the car and there was a significant dent on the rear. We had a few words and he came out and confirmed on my application the damage.

When I returned the car to Paris on 9/16, the agent did not even wish to look at the car. There was no damage caused by me but they did not want to even look. I found that strange.

What do you think is up here?

We already know that damage claims are a significant revenue-generator for some car rental agencies. But this is the first time I’ve heard of a car rental company interfering with a pre-rental inspection for what appeared to be questionable reasons.

Is this a new car rental scam — or just an employee who was too tired to do a walk-around with a customer?

Have you ever come across the “trust me” line when you rented a car?

(Photo: Prescott/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Chris

    Similar thing happened to me… between the employee positioning herself in front of the rear wheel with a partially slashed tire and enthusing about what a great car it was with low mileage (distraction technique?) – and the very low lighting of the car rental garages typically found these days in most large airports, it can be a challenge to properly protect yourself from this kind of setup prior to driving off the lot.

  • Cindy

    No but I have had them refuse to acknowledge or sign off on damage that was there when I rented..I not only take pictures of all of the damage now but I always let them know that I have taken pictures..I immediately send them to my email and keep them there for at least 3 months..
    I would never sign any document at the desk saying there is no damage until I inspected the car myself..
    Sad but I now keep a travel file with all receipts (gas,etc) and docs for a minimum of 3 months..

  • http://www.tandemworld.org Tandem World

    This does seem to be fairly prevalent nowadays. While we have not had a claim against us for preexisting damage (knock on fiberglass), we have noticed a certain laissez-faire attitude when it comes to inspections. In some cases, this seems to be a customer-centric policy (as it appears to be with agencies like Alamo – note the use of the word “appears”) but does seem much sketchier in other cases. I think Cindy is spot on in with her above advice.

  • Glen

    When we rented a car in Perpignan France last summer, it was only after that I went out and looked at the car did I notice a big scrape down the side of it. I went back to the counter and had them adjust the contract to reflect the damage. When I returned the car a couple of weeks later to Paris-Charles deGaulle, I made sure to point out to the attendant that the scratch was documented at the time the rental was made. In his best attempt to not understand my English/broken French, he said it was no problem. About 3-4 weeks later I received a charge on my credit card for an additional 800 Euros stating the repairs required for damage to the car. I disputed the charge with my credit card company and it was cleared up within 2-3 months.

  • Katie

    I don’t rent cars often, but I’ve had to get loaner cars several times this year when my car goes in for repairs. Every time, I’ve had to point out damage to the car that isn’t noted on the form when I’m asked to sign it. When I return the car, I always have to ask for a rental agent to come look at it before I hand the keys back–they don’t do it automatically. It might just be laziness (it’s not exactly in the car repair shop’s interest to cheat a frequent customer), but you never know. And so I always check and ask them to, as well.

  • Chris in NC

    Perhaps Chris Elliott can confirm, but could damage claim reports be further stratified based on location? It seems that many of the horrible cases come out of Europe. Perhaps this is due to language barrier? Has anyone ever experienced this type of behavior in the US?

    I’ve never had anyone refuse to sign or acknowledge a damage report in the US. A lot of times they say “don’t worry” but if I insist, they will reluctantly do it. I haven’t had to rent a car in a while, but have 2 rentals coming up later this month. Perhaps I should go to video mode and record the whole check-out/check-in process?

  • Richard Trilling

    @Chris

    I’ve rented cars over the years in the US, Europe and Asia. I’ve run into 2 problems.

    1. A parking ticket that AVIS claimed I received while the car was in my possession rented the car in Cordoba Spain.
    2. They tried to over charge me by a day in Palermo 5an in correct subtraction of the days.

    Those are the only problems I have had ever had. I speak fluent french but the language barrier has never been a problem in Italy Spain Jordan or elsewhere.

    Perhaps I have been lucky but after 40 years with no problems I have to admit I am a bit scared reading this blog.

    Richard

  • Cindy

    Chris in NC..
    Yes these things have happened in the USA! My hubby and I travel quite a bit and it has happened to us.. Of course my vigilance in recording (pictures and keeping all important documentation) has prevented them from being able to get away with it..
    I would always recommend looking out for # 1 (yourself) when it comes to renting a car..

  • http://gottogovacationrentals.com Dave

    It does seem like the rental car companies I have used in the last few years are searching for way to “get you” for damage that you didn’t do. I have had 2 bad experiences in the last 2 years. It has made me become overly critical in my review of the cars and insistent on documenting even the most minor blemish on any surface. It take forever.

  • http://insidethelinespainting.com Tom

    I don’t think it is an orgnaization effort to generate damage claims. I think it is the employees who are slack and don’t check the cars correclty when they are returned. They don’t seem to mind submitting claims for damage against whoever used the car last regarless of when the damage was done.

  • Scott

    While I can’t prove this is true, I have a strong suspicion that it happens quite regularly.

    If a customer takes the “Collision Damage Waiver” (CDW), then the rental company is out any damage.. i.e. it is self-insured for the damage to the vehicle caused by the customer. The rental company will often not inspect a vehicle upon return, where the CDW has been taken out.

    Now if the next customer who rents that car doesn’t take out the waiver, and the rental company didn’t really inspect it after the return from the prior customer, then the newest renter on the hook for any damage, even if they really didn’t cause it. Rental company isn’t out of pocket for the damage, yet still made a tidy profit from the 15-20 per day charge for the CDW.

    Only a suspicion…..

  • O. Berkeley

    I guess that I always buy the car insurance. That way, any damage is not my problem. Someone backed into our rental car while it was in the hotel parking lot. It caused a good size dent, but it didn’t matter since we had the damage insurance. We handed in the car and walked away — no further problem about it. Why drive paranoid your entire vacation?

  • Carver

    I’ve been traveling since 1986, moderately since 1993, and extensively since 1998. In the past I rented from whomever was cheapest, then Budget, and now I basically rent from Hertz. I’ve had exactly one damage claim, and that was from Alamo. I ignored them and they went away.

    @O.Berkeley

    we had the damage insurance. We handed in the car and walked away — no further problem about it. Why drive paranoid your entire vacation?
    =========================

    Because 1) your own insurance probably covers it, 2) your gold or corporate card probably covers the remainder, and 3)the insurance is highly overpriced.

    I guess if your car rentals are limited to one week for vacation then its not a big deal, but if you travel often for business, that overpriced scam insurance adds up really quickly

  • http://www.usascan.com/water Ken

    I recommend you take photos, of all sides of the car, including interior shots when you pick up and drop off your vehicle. Be sure to include the license plates of the cars surrounding your parking space as this can help prove time and date of your photos from other rental cars on the lot at the time. Even better is to use your video camera and shoot at least 30 seconds of car video as you circle the car. Most video cameras capture 30 frames per second.
    Think of each frame as a still photograph. When you shoot 30 seconds of video, you’ll have 900 separate photos. This is usually enough to have the evidence you need that there was prior damage to your vehicle. Don’t forget to get a photo of your spare tire (tyre for Australians). You might find out you don’t have one.

    When an agent says “trust me there is no vehicle damage,” I reply, “before I sign, let’s walk around the car.” With my video camera recording and the agent in the video, we walk around the car. When damage is noted, the expression of the face of the agent is priceless and says it all. You were about to be scammed. If you then ask to see previous inspection reports for the same car, they almost always refuse to show it to you because they knew there was reported prior vehicle damage. They simply wanted to bill one or more car renters to help increase their profit.

    While we are talking about car rental scams, be careful when you drop off your car and the drop off inspection area is on an uphill grade. Even though I filled the tank less then 1 km from the rental agency, my “full” fuel tank only read 7/8 full and they wanted to charge me an additional $15.00 for toping off the tank even with a receipt. I said to the agent, let me turn the car around, so the car was now facing downhill and the gas gauge then registered over the full mark. The rental agent was not impressed, but waived the “refulling charge”. Two other renters saw what was going on and requested their rulling charge be waived.

  • Josh

    Last time I rented from a Hertz location at a hotel, the lone employee there was in a room near the lobby, and the cars out near another wing. Got to the car, and it had clearly been scraped past something, with minor damage all down the left side. I took pictures and went back in; the guy wrote it on my checkout form and said he’d put it in the record (this was a one-way rental to a Local Edition in another state).

    When I returned the car, I started to explain to the employee there; he said yeah, no problem dismissively and signed off on the checkin. I’m Hertz Gold with a large corporate affiliation (though this rental was personal), and I gather they are more lenient on damage anyway. Hopefully they didn’t stick it to the next person.

    But thanks to Chris and all the posters here — I always walk around and take pictures now, instead of just driving off.

  • Jerry

    I think it’s high time to strike back! How? Pick the worst overall large car rental company & organize a boycot. Try & get as many people on board & boycot for a period of 1 or 2 months. Then move on to the next company. How long would it take for them to wake up

  • Christine

    When I recently rented a car (Budget), damage was not even discussed when I was checking out. I knew once I got to the car I would do a walk around. And sure enough there was clear damage to the front bumper. I brought the car up to the front on my way out and went inside. I told the agent their was damage I would like them to note. He sent a guy over (not an agent but someone who looks like they wash and deal with the cars when they are returned but not customers). He noted the damage on a form and gave me a copy. So while they did not try to hide the damage, I find it interesting that they are now putting the responsibility completely on the renter to look for damage. This was not the case when I rented from Hertz recently. They did a walk around with me. At the airport the current trend is to get you to your car as soon as possible and often you have to walk a distance to even get to it so the standard walk around is no longer happening.

  • O. Berkeley

    @Carver That’s the problem with assuming that your car insurance covers any damage to a rental car; it may not. Check this with your insurance agent. And, your insurance is almost certain not to cover their “loss of use” claim. I agree this whole dent thing is a total scam, but the hassle for me is SO not worth the worry of saving $10-15 a day.

    The other problem is assuming that damage only occurs to the car before you rent it. Accidents can happen while you have the vehicle. One good accident that you are liable for is going to wipe out any savings avoiding the daily insurance charge.

    I guess that it all boils down to how lucky do you feel?

  • Mark M

    The line that I’ve had recently is that a particular scratch is too minor to warrant attention. Twice, of late, I’ve had rental agents call damage minor and unworthy of mentioning that I’d consider to be something I’d want fixed on my own car (and I’m not overly fixated on pristine condition). I force them to document it anyway. No idea whether the scratch would have proven grounds for additional fees later on if I had not been vigilant.

  • Joe Farrell

    Trust me is one of the three great lies in the world . . . .