Is this enough compensation? A mechanical flight delay, an automatic mileage credit

What does your airline owe you when your flight is delayed?

Airline terms and conditions — those difficult-to-read contracts of carriages — are often unclear or don’t address a specific type of delay. And if you’re flying to Europe, as Candice Sabatini was, there’s also EU 261, the much-discussed consumer protection law. But that’s widely interpreted as applying to flights from or within a EU member state.

Sabatini is a frequent reader of this site, and her recent American Airlines flight from New York to Paris was held up for mechanical reasons. One other thing to know about her is that she’s a gold-level elite customer booked in business class, so American should want to make her very happy.

She explains,

At regular boarding time, we all started down the jetway. I was person number two, and as we got to the door of the plane, we were told by a flight attendant to go back to the gate. There’s a minor problem to fix with the computer and the lights are off in the plane in order to do the work.

So, back to the gate.

Approximately a half hour later, we were told to board again by the gate agent. We started walking. Once again, we were told by the flight attendant that they’re not ready and to go back to gate.

A few minutes later, we were told to board and that they’re still fixing the computer problem, but it’ll only take a few minutes, and the lights are now on so we might as well all be settled in our seats and ready for take-off.

We sat on the plane for an hour. And then we’re told they need a new part. It’s been ordered from LaGuardia, and no reason for us to sit in the plane. It’ll be at least an hour, so we should all go back to the gate or Admirals Club.

None of the repairs worked, and eventually, a new plane had to be brought in.

These “creeping” delays can be irritating, but everyone understands that it’s better to fly with a working aircraft than to crash into the Atlantic. American makes some customer-service provisions for mechanical delays in its contract of carriage. But they’re pretty vague.

American didn’t offer Sabatini any meal vouchers or drinks during her five-hour delay. As a result of the hold-up, she missed an important meeting in Paris. Before she could complain to the company, it emailed her with an apology and a 5,000-mile credit. (This pre-emptive offer is the subject of an upcoming column. More on that soon.)

I wrote them back on their website’s customer service form and told them that I appreciate the gesture, but didn’t feel it was enough.

I told them that two mechanically-challenged planes, plus one broken replacement part doesn’t inspire confidence in them. I asked them how much they’re cutting back on maintainence staff. I told them I missed my business appointment. I told them my frequent flier history.

They sent me a polite email again apologizing for my troubles, but they are not in any financial position to offer me any more than that.

Technically, American is right. It doesn’t have to do anything more. But should it?

Close vote. Very close.

  • Tom

    Life is full of these types of annoyances. The electricity goes off for a couple of hours; the cable stops; the battery on your new car dies; even e-mail and websites fail from time to time.

    If this person is really a Gold Elite flyer, she must have experienced flight delays before. 5000 miles is a standard payment for a delay that wasn’t a cancellation. That the five-hour delay caused her to miss an important meeting in Paris suggests she was cutting things very close and this time it didn’t work out. Could have been a problem with the Metro in Paris too. She rolled the dice and lost.

    As to the creeping nature of the delay: it wasn’t a corporate conspiracy despite what your angry mind tells you. The mechanic got in there and couldn’t fix it easily and required a more extensive repair. Anybody who owns a car or house knows what this is.

    The trick with any such glitch in travel is to move on quickly and not a mull a five-hour delay in your minds for months.

  • SirWired

    A snarky note referring to “mechanically challenged planes” is unlikely to produce results of any kind, however satisfying it may be to write.

    Delays happen;it’s a fact of life when you are trying to operate one of the most complicated machines ever built while maintaining a safety record unmatched by any other form of transportation.

    And I fail to see why her frequent flyer history is relevant to the mediation request. A frequent flyer should be no more deserving of compensation than an infrequent one; her trip was no more important than that of some poor guy in coach.

  • BillC

    I think she received enough. I do not think that a five hour delay for a mechanical problem is excessive.

    On a side note if I have an ‘important’ meeting across the ocean I would plan it so that a five hour delay would not be a problem. I would probably try to get there the day before.

  • Dan

    I voted no. When I was an elite FF, miles were all but useless to me. Hey, I needed the EQM’s to maintain my status… the airline should have at least given her a nominal credit. Besides, it’s not as if you can actually get anything of value with only 5000 miles.

    Does EU261 actually apply here? You suggest it might, but then you suggest it doesn’t. A little clarity would be in order here.

    Aside from all of that, the OP isn’t really entitled to a whole lot here. Her lack of confidence not withstanding, this is a run of the mill mx delay, which calls for run of the mill compensation.

  • John

    This is a “that depends” case for me.

    If the delay took them over a “meal period” that they would have received on the airplane, AA should have given them vouchers for the meal or, now, offer them an in kind equivalent (ie FF miles are said to be valued at about $0.01) plus something for their trouble.

    The offer that was made was worth about $50 using the formula above (but as a FF miles have no value to her because she has so many) which would cover a dinner but little else. If it was a late flight to Paris that didn’t occur over a meal period, it is about right.

    I’m sorry but AA is not responsible for her planning on the other end. If the meeting was that important, she should have scheduled time in for weather delays and mechanical breakdowns. I always come in a day early when I have meetings like that and I’m flying over the water.

  • http://www.asdfghjkl.org Soapy

    I find it hard to see how you would/could mediate this, since Sabatini already tried to ask American for more compensation.
    Delays happen for many reasons, and you just have to accept that is part of traveling and everything else in life. It could have been a weather or ATC delay (5 hours wouldn’t be impossible in New York, and the 3 hour rule doesn’t apply since it’s international) and chances are that you wouldn’t even get the extra miles for compensation.

  • Peter

    Regarding the AA Flight delay. A preemptive offer of miles is welcome, but not quite enough, in my opinion. However, there is personal responsibility as well. If the person is an AA Gold flyer as stated, they will have at least a basic understanding of what shoudl be offered. Did the traveler askthe gate agents for food coupons, or did she just wait untilt he trip was over to gripe? I also sympathize with the problem of a missed meeting, but if was truly an IMPORTANT meeting, then flying in just a couple of hours ahead seems misguided. Treat it like you would a cruise – show up a day early to accomodate flight delays.
    It seems to me that a number of peole that have their stories published on this site arejust trying to shift their issues to a company even when a reasonable person might give the organziation a break. Please note – I have read plenty of stories here as well of shady service, bad offers, and downright rudeness and inconsideration on behlaf of the travel industry, but every once ina while a story like this comes across that sounds more like a whine.

  • Eric

    While I feel like there really isn’t more that AA can do for her, I wonder about people who are saying she should have planned ahead better. This is in no way to be construed as sarcasm as I am genuinely interested, what kind/length of delays do you routinely plan for depending on the nature of your trip? I think there’s a point where always assuming and building in a 5 hour delay into one’s travel plans can be a bit ridiculous.

    Living in NYC, one encounters this dilemma when travelling around on the subway. Of course, one takes a cab to important appointments, but should I always assume that I MIGHT have to wait 20 minutes for a train when they are scheduled to run about every 5 – 7 minutes.

  • Rick

    Those who say she should have anticipated delays, must not travel for business very often. It is common in today’s world to cut things that close due to the high demands on people’s time.

    This is an every hour is precious world that we work in.

    I agree that it was better that the plane was fixed, and I say her snarky comments were a justified blowing off of steam from this event.

  • http://nmdfreelance.com Nancy

    I’m sorry but, I feel the OP has received enough compensation. She was delayed five hours and missed a meeting? Why did she cut it so close? If the meeting was so important, she’d have arrived sooner, perhaps the day before? I mean, c’mon, it’s Paris. Surely she’d have found something to occupy her time.

    Now she just sounds greedy. While I understand she’s an elite flyer with AA, had that been me on that plane, I wouldn’t have gotten the 5,000 miles.

    My feeling is, she should say “Thank you for being so concerned about my safety” and move on.

  • John

    @Rick I own a business. Travel for it all of the time. Flying over the water, I never plan any “must have” meetings until the 2nd or 3rd day in country just to allow stuff to happen. Especially since the average airline only flies once or twice a day to a given overseas airport (there are some exceptions like London).

    I fill the rest of the time with meetings that I can delay if I get caught in a travel SNAFU.

  • Unicorn

    When it comes to travel, I can be as anal as the next person. I always try to arrive at the airport at least 2 hours early and allow lots of extra time when driving.

    But that’s not always possible. It sounds like the OP– as well as many frequent business flyers– has had her share of last minute flights and perhaps this was one of them.

    I do think American should have offered something at the time of the flight disruption but after the fact I think what she got offered is the best that can be hoped for.

    Her comment about the “mechanically-challenged planes” (and as far as I can see it was only one plane) did seem a bit smarmy but you do have to wonder, given some of the stories that have come out about airlines outsourcing and shortchanging maintenance, whether the problem could have been solved sooner. In any case, it would have been a perfect opportunity for whoever responded to her note to say something like “we have a strong commitment to keeping our planes healthy” along with some facts & figures.

    Lesson learned: next time, teleconference.

  • Brooklyn

    “Technically, American is right. It doesn’t have to do anything more.”

    I’m not sure you’re right in saying that EU 261 doesn’t apply to flights headed to Europe. I carry a copy with me when I fly, just in case, but I haven’t read it lately. I was stuck in Europe over the holidays and while I didn’t appreciate the three-hour wait to rebook, Air France immediately provided a self-service cart with coffee, tea, water and soft drinks. Consequently, we were tired and frustrated but there were none of the meltdowns I would have expected in the US. Why weren’t these people looked after while they were waiting? We need to crack down hard on the airlines in every way we can while waiting for Congress to adopt more stringent legislation on passenger care and apparently, on the basis of this story, mechanical inspections of aircraft.

  • Harry

    @ Eric

    Yes you should leave yourself an extra 20 minutes

    a less than 5 hour cushion for a flight to europe is cutting it close.
    Besides Mechanical problem there could also be issues with Weather, Customs when you land, If she flew into CDG, it takes a while to get the bus to the airport from the plane.

  • Dang

    No, getting called 3 times for unsuccessful boarding is not acceptable for a Premium Service. When I fly Thai Airways on First Class, I see Premium travelers staying in the Lounge and getting called for boarding when all the others are almost finished the process. First Class passengers are the last to board, I was brought to the plane by an agent by an electric cart, and she announce constantly to the crew that we arrive soon. I got the same treatment with Lufthansa, but the Germans roll out their Mercedes.

  • John

    @Brooklyn … Last time I read EU261 (last year during the volcano mess) so I could advise clients, my reading was that it always applies to EU airlines and any flight departing from the EU. Since AA is US flagged and it departed from a US airport, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t apply but I could be wrong. I’m not a lawyer.

    As a side note, even if it did, complaints have to go through the country where the flight departed from or the country where the airline is from. I don’t see DOT doing anything to enforce a EU law here.

  • Mary Graham

    Wow, no food/drink for a gold level elite customer? If this is how American treats that level, how must they treat the rest of us? If I were her, I’d take my business elsewhere, not that they would care.

  • ValB

    What can you do with 5,000 miles?

  • Wrona

    @ValB, on American, 5,000 miles can be traded in for 10 500-mile domestic upgrade stickers. So it could be a decent value for the OP as a low level elite.

  • Melissa

    I have said it before, and I will say it again. Flyers want the prices kept down, and the competition has gotten so firece that the airlines can not stock all the spare parts they need to, nor keep all the maintnace staff around they would like (cuts needed to ensure competitve pricing). Then the second someone has a mechanical delay, they are casting blame exactly where their rock bottom price came from. I think it was a nice gesture the airline proactively recognized her delay, apologized and made a gesture of good will. It is time for her to move on.

  • Thalassa

    I don’t care about her status. I think that ALL of the passengers on the plane should have at least been offered a food/drink voucher. Delays happen, and it’s a shame she missed her meeting in Paris because of it, but American doesn’t need to do more than they have, other than they should have offered food/drink vouchers to everyone.

  • Clifw

    As others have commented, this is an inconvienance and annoyance, not a genuine problem. Meetings get rescheduled- particularly in France, home to the transport strike!- all the time. A five hour delay is an irritant, just as is a SNCF industrial action, an unexpected snowstorm closing JFK, lost baggage, a congested sinus the day you fly, a TSA meltdown closing the terminal or anything else that can go wrong.

    What compensation is the OP looking for anyway? Is AA required to somehow compensate her for the lost meeting? Would it then have to extend that to anyone else on the plane who missed their meeting/five hours of the vacation/lunch with the in-laws/picking up the hire car etc etc…

    She also certainly did not help her case by throwing around innuendo about the safety of AA’s planes.

  • Mark K

    I have traveled numerous times to Europe over the past few years and I know I will not be able to conduct any type of business when I first arrive since I simply can’t sleep on the plane. My employers have always allowed me to go at least one day early. While I have been lucky to not have had any delays in getting there, that extra day to sleep and try and adjust however much I can to the time difference is appreciated. I could not imagine taking the flight to Europe and trying to conduct business immediately on arrival. I know not everyone has this flexibility, especially if you are working for a smaller company, but not allowing for the possibility of delays is impractical with today’s airlines.

    I understand the OP’s frustration, but what else could the airline do? She got there. She received a small token of apology which I feel is enough; at least she got an apology which is more than most travelers receive from airlines today. And she had to know that with the delayed flight time she would miss her meeting before even leaving the US so she could have made arrangements to postpone her trip and meeting.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ SirWired – “And I fail to see why her frequent flyer history is relevant to the mediation request. A frequent flyer should be no more deserving of compensation than an infrequent one; her trip was no more important than that of some poor guy in coach.”
    - – - – - – - – — -
    At United Airlines (UA), the standard pre-emptive e-certificates ($ 100, $ 200, $ 250 and $ 300) are based upon your frequent flyer (FF) status. For example, if your IFE was inoperable during the flight, you will receive $ 100, $ 200, $ 250 or $ 300 e-certificate from UA depending upon your FF status.

    You might disagree with the UA policy but most companies treat their better customers in a same\similar way.

  • Mel

    I fly quite often on business as a government consultant. I wouldn’t dream of arriving (especially overseas!) within 5 hours of a meeting. If the OP is as experienced a flyer as she indicates, surely she knows that sh*t happens when you’re flying and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS factor in a buffer zone of time. The elitist mentality of “they owe me because I’m special” … well, everyone on that plane was delayed the same amount of time, even those in the cattle cars and in the grand scheme of things, 5 hours isn’t that big a delay. It would have been NICE if they’d offered more, but what is the going price for missing a meeting or being annoyed?

  • DFW ROAD WARRIOR

    I see two issues here.

    One the lack of communication between the gate agent who boarded the passengers and the flight crew who turned them back because the mechanical problem was not fixed. That should not have occurred and I can see her frustration.

    The second is the mechanical issue. Things happen regardless if the aircraft is properly maintained or not. I have witnessed passengers abuse equipment (seats, tray tables, lavatories) in flight that have delayed the next flight because the equipment was not qualified to fly until those broken items had been repaired or replaced.

    Sometimes line mechanics can fix the problem and other times they can’t. I’m sure the five hour delay was caused by finding the right equipment for an overseas flight.

    Nothing was noted as to whether Sabitini attempted to find another flight either on American or another carrier. I don’t know what American does for their gold members but as a platinum member if the flight is delayed for more than an hour they automatically look for another flight to book me on.

    I understand about managing time but if you are traveling today you have to factor in delays not only for maintenance but also weather, crew changes and airport conditions.

    Two years ago we traveled to the UK in February. The day after we arrived the worst storm Europe had seen in several years forced Heathrow and other major airports to close for several days. We checked the weather before leaving and there was no forecast for inclement weather and the day we arrived the weather was perfect.

    Also she does not say whether she asked for food vouchers just that she did not receive any. Sometimes gate agents get busy and forget or perhaps they did not believe it would take as long as it did to get new equipment.

    I think American did the right thing and the OP should be satisfied.

  • MVFlyer

    EU261 does not apply to non-EU carriers originating from a non-EU airport. It does apply to EU-flagged carriers from any airport to or from the EU. I guess the EU figures they have no way to dun a non-EU carrier for a flight outside of their physical jurisdiction. Kind of unfair to the EU carriers.

    Getting back to the question at hand: i voted ‘yes’, she did get enough. Did the OP *ask* for a meal voucher? She could have asked at the gate or the Admiral’s club. And, not being offered beverages isn’t a problem if she’s hanging in the club, since you can have free non-alcoholic bevs (maybe even alcoholic bevs–I haven’t been in an Admiral’s club recently). Just sounds to me she’s ticked she missed her meeting and wants revenge–missing the meeting was her problem for cutting it so close.

  • DJP

    Arent there rules that for an international flight if you are delayed by 2-4 hrs in arriving at your planned destination then compensation is required??

  • Nobody

    5000 mile credit? sounds about right for AA.
    What can you do with 5000 miles? a nice subscription to receive 444 issues of the Wall Street Journal from Mags for Miles (or is it Miles for Mags?)
    We received 3000 mile credit each (after documenting to the AA address the gate agent gave me when cornered) when our HNL bound 757 broke in DFW. After pulling away from gate, waiting 1 hour 100 feet from the gate for determination the gauge or the alarm failed, move to another gate to disembark, walk to another gate/terminal to wait for a backup plane to materialize, we boarded older model with CRTs, less in QTY than LCDs, and received the compensation given to EVERYONE. Free vs. $2 earphones to watch TV for 8 hours. We were seated in a ~10-row section where the sound system did not work. One free drink would have gone a long ways, but the attendants were given no authority to provide.
    And to think we paid extra for this flight in case the plane broke, figuring there would be a better chance DFW had spares than non-AA hub flight. Well, we didn’t miss the cruise ship….

    But who am I?

  • Richard Trilling

    And if you’re flying to Europe, as Candice Sabatini was, there’s also EU 261, the much-discussed consumer protection law. But that’s widely interpreted as applying to flights from or within a EU member state.

    CHRIS and EVERYONE ELSE.

    YOU’RE WRONG. It applies to all community airlines flying INTO Europe, paragraph 6.

    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:046:0001:0007:EN:PDF

    The OP is just another poor sucker getting taken to the cleaners by US consumer protection laws.

  • Richard Trilling

    Chris et al.

    I made a mistake in my previous post.

    EU 261 also seems to apply to US carriers flying INTO Europe.

    The definition of Community carrier is found below in Article 2 paragraph c).

    ‘Community carrier’ means an air carrier with a valid operating
    licence granted by a Member State in accordance with
    the provisions of Council Regulation (EEC) No 2407/92 of
    23 July 1992 on licensing of air carriers (1);

    It’s about time that most of the people posting here should realize that European consumer protection laws are different then the US, they protect the consumer, and to stop quibbling on “contracts of carriage”. By European law the OP is entitled to more. If you, US quibblers, don’t like that, tough!

  • Bill

    Like the first commenter I read about on here, I too was subject to a delay on AC. The plane took off, developed a mechanical problem and returned to London for an emergency landing.
    Air Canada took immediate ownership of the problem, arranging busses to the terminal, accompanying groups of passengers and taking them to hotels. They had printed up letters detailing the room arrangements and meal arrangements as well as the bus arrangements back to the airport the next morning.

    They had reps available to answer questions and were with the passengers every step of the way. I did have meetings to go to but they had already rebooked me through to my final destination – and although it meant I would have to change a couple of arrangements (another person was coming on another flight, we were meeting at the airport then driving to a meeting the next day) – I made those changes. I ended up taking an extra flight, arriving several hours later, and driving a 3 extra hours the next day.

    Something happened – everyone lived through it, Air Canada did their part and I did my part.

    I was very thankful that the pilots aborted the flight and that we landed safely. I was not thinking about how many points I could score out of the issue. I thought it was good to have not lost my life (it was a rudder problem).

    The next morning, we flew to Toronto and upon arrival, were greeted with letters of apology and $100 vouchers. It was a nice gesture and although it wasn’t necessary, it was appreciated.

    I overheard one woman say “Your life is only worth $100″? I told her, “they didn’t take your life”.

    Things happen pretty seldom to me in the travel world. This was one of the more major things and it was not something I enjoyed. However, it was handled very well by AC and their employees worked long and hard to ensure that all was taken care of.

    It was nice of AA to offer her the 5000 miles. If she missed her meeting, they should have refunded her ticket and she should not have flown.

    I realize that some people have really hectic schedules and can’t book enough in advance for important meetings, but guess what, you’re going to miss a few. Weather, mechanical, earthquakes….it’ll happen.

    Now dig into your pockets and help out those poor Japanese who have lost everything except their frequent flyer miles and haven’t eaten in days.

  • Thalassa

    @Richard Trilling – I have to say, you’ve given me quite a good laugh. Your first message, with the Caps Lock so prominently telling us that we were ALL WRONG followed by you admitting that you were wrong. Of course, then you’re still rude in the second message as well. Wow.

  • Tom

    If the EU imposes penalties if a flight is delayed even with mechanical problems, doesn’t that encourage European Carriers to take off if the mechanical problem is relatively minor — just go, it’s cheaper to fix it later than incur financial penalties.

  • Mort Brown

    Apart from any question of possible compensation by an airline in such an instance, the basic fact remains that, as has been pointed out by many commentors, one ought NEVER to schedule one’s arrival for an important event (business meeting, wedding, etc) – it’s just too risky. Let’s hope that in future, the OP will bite the bullet and program her travel so as to avoid cutting things too close.

  • http://oussamastake.blogspot.com/ Oussama

    With weather, natural disasters and mechanical failures it is not very prudent to schedule meetings on the same day of travel. However, creeping delays are very frustrating for the airline as much as it is for the passengers. Maintenance crew were always told to err on the side of caution and give a realistic time instead of this half hour from now and then another hour. In a way it was fortunate there was a relief aircraft available at short notice otherwise it could have been a much longer delay.

  • Jason

    Two of the most recent delays for mechanical reasons I experienced resulted in about 5 – 6 hours late arrivals on United and Delta. United sent $150 voucher in response to my e-mail to customer relations and provided meal voucher at the airport after I asked for it. Delta provided meal vouchers at the airport while re-booking flight and credited 10000 miles to my account after I complained. I am Silver Medalion with Delta and no status on United. Both were deeply discounted tickets. Therefore in my experience and compare to other airlines 5000 miles credit is not enough especially when a person was booked in international business class. In business environment sometimes you don’t have time to leave for a meeting a day earlier that is why businesses will book in business class so a person can make it to the meeting and not be exhausted. I would ditch AA, any other airline will match your status.

  • Richard Trilling

    @Thalassa my dear, irony is nice. Your comments are not relevant. What s relevant is the chapter and verse I sited on EU 261 which you conveniently forgot to comment on.

    90% or the people here are WRONG, including Chris.
    Virtually all the wining and self soul searching about the OP is irrelevant and serves only to protected US carriers.

    EU 261 does apply to US carriers flying INTO Europe, paragraph 6 & article 2 c). If US carriers don’t like, they can take their business elsewhere.

    @Chris, it’s not out about mediation, it’s about US carriers obeying the the law. Can/could you mediate, most probably not, the company would not want to acknowledge that they are violating the law. You’d have to take them small claims court. You don’t need a lawyer for that here. French courts are relevant in this case because the flight terminated in Paris & the company is registered to do business here.

    But Chris please don’t say that: “Technically, American is right. It doesn’t have to do anything more. ”

    It is simply NOT true. I repeat look at EU 261 paragraph 6 & article 2 c).

  • http://www.thetravelinggiraffe.com Crissy

    If I have an important meeting, or important anything I always try to build extra time – if it’s a 20 minute drive I give myself 30 minutes. If I have a cruise to fly to, I try and fly in the day before. Sometimes you can’t, but then you can’t complain about missing your meeting because if it was really THAT important you would have found a way to give more of a buffer. Basically, if you can place a dollar value on missing that meeting you should have placed the dollar value on the meeting when scheduling your flight, not after a delay. I’m not saying it’s not annoying and inconvenient, but it’s not the airlines responsibility.

    I have no idea if it falls under EU regulations, but if it does and more complensation is due then they should get that.

    As for meal vouchers, the OP could have gone to the Admirals club, don’t they offer food there? It’s probably better then the crap they offer in the terminal anyway. But the OP never complained about food anyway.

  • Dang

    DFW ROAD WARRIOR was right about asking for rerouting when the delay exceed 2 hours. It happens to me when I flew UNITED from Chicago ORD to Bangkok via Shanghai PVG. The process took very fast and smoothly when you are still in the Premium Lounge. When the personnel at ORD UNITED First Lounge learned there is some delay of my flight they rerouted me when I still in the shower. The rerouting brought me to Bangkok 2 hours ahead of my original schedule. I don’t even ask for the rerouting. It happened another time with Delta/NW too, and the Detroit Sky Club personnel are superb, 15 minutes for rerouting me on Korean Air.

  • Sadie Cee

    What does the OP expect to be compensated for? The repeated attempts to board? Missing her meeting in Paris? In the whole scheme of things, these are merely petty annoyances, not earth-shaking events. Things happen and we have to get a grip! What I expect from an airline is a safe trip. Get me there safely and bring me home safely. If there are delays, I must live with them and modern means of communication now allow me to phone ahead to explain.

    If a flight is delayed, have a variety of means of entertaining oneself while waiting. These days we even have to be prepared to buy our own meals if meal vouchers are not forthcoming. Do remember, “For the want of a nail…etc.”

    @Bill
    “Like the first commenter I read about on here, I too was subject to a delay on AC. The plane took off, developed a mechanical problem and returned to London for an emergency landing.”

    I had the very same experience with Air Canada at YYZ once and they acted in the very same way as they did with Bill. We were bused to a nearby hotel, given red carpet treatment there all day and frequent updates as to the status of things. AC had to wait for a plane to come in from LHR to fly us to KIN. We were about 10 hours late in arriving, but we were one happy group on arrival.

    In the OP’s case, there could have been better communication between the gate and onboard personnel in order to avoid the futile attempts to board. In my opinion, AA has done enough.

  • Molly

    This is Sabatini, the flyer you’re talking about. For the sake of length Chris left out a couple of points:

    1. The flight was scheduled to depart at 5PM and to land at about 6AM. My meeting was at Noon, giving me a 6 hour window for delays. The 9PM fllight went off without a hitch and landed in Paris at approx 10AM, and Yes, I did request to be put on that flight and was told no. No reason given. (there were empty seats as of the night before).

    2. Being that it was dinner time, I believe that everyone should have been offered meal/drink vouchers. Some pax asked the gate agent for them and were told “no”. So I went to the Admirals Club and asked if they’d offer a glass of wine for the delay and was told “No”. So I bought one. I asked if there was any food compensation and again told “no” again, so I bought a sandwich.

    I do believe that an elite status FF traveling in int’l biz class deserves a little more compensation that a coach pax, and I feel that 5000 miles wasn’t enough. The point of the post was how much compensation is due after 4 misboardings, 2 planes w/ mechanical failure, 2 broken parts and no one offered a meal or beverage during dinner time. This has nothing to do with my meeting and don’t need travel advice, thanks very much. Getting there one day ahead was impossible for my schedule.

    2. I did write to AA and ask for either an upgrade on a future flight, additional FF miles OR make the 5000 miles EQMs, which are worth something to me. They wrote back “no” to all.

    It’s interesting to note that others here received food, beverage, monetary compensation and 10,000 miles from Delta and United.

    I’m aware of EU261 but thought that since I was on a US carrier I wasn’t entitled to monetary compensation. Honestly, don’t even want it, the upgrade or EQMs are worth more to me as a Frequent Flyer. Thanks Richard Trilling for pointing out paragraph 6. I’ll look into that.

  • http://twitter.com/FlightDelayedUK Flight Compensation

    If you fly from a destination outside Europe to a European destination with a non-European airline company, then you have no right to compensation.

    If the delay arose outside Europe you only have the right to compensation if the flight is carried out by a European airline company.

    More info: http://www.Flight-Delayed.co.uk