Is this enough compensation? A broken toilet, a busted shower — and you’re offering a voucher?

It was Alicia and Dean Winicks’ first cruise — a seven-day sailing from from San Juan to Dominica, Grenada, Aruba, and back again on the Caribbean Princess last month.

It looks like it will be their last cruise, too.

The Winicks encountered a series of troubles at sea, from plumbing problems to stained sheets. Princess has offered to compensate the couple, but the first-time guests aren’t impressed.

Let’s get right to their grievance.

“Our time aboard the Caribbean Princess was a complete disaster, and we left feeling like we had completely wasted our time and money,” says Dean Winick.

First, the toilet in their bathroom didn’t flush.

Or rather, flushed only when it felt like it — sometimes thirty minutes to an hour after it had been flushed originally and sometimes not at all. On the last day of the cruise, it did not flush at all.

Due to the concern that the toilet would not flush, we would have to leave the room every time we had to use the bathroom. We could not relax in our room knowing that if we had to use the bathroom we would have to leave the room.

For an average person, this would be a problem. For us, it was a health concern. One of us has a gastrointestinal disease which requires a working toilet nearby at all times.

Despite repeated efforts to get the toilet fixed, no one bothered to repair the Winicks’ WC.

The shower didn’t work, either.

I was only in the shower for two minutes before the water was up to the level of the side of the shower and about to overflow on the floor of the bathroom. We called the front desk, and they sent a maintenance person to deal with the issue.

The maintenance person solved the problem by plunging the shower drain. When we saw what came out of the shower drain, it was completely disgusting. From that moment on, we could not feel clean in the bathroom.

It is understandable that a ship bathroom has been used in the past and would have stuff in the drain; however, it is completely unacceptable for a guest to have to see that. It should have been checked before we checked in to see if the shower drained. Then it could have been cleaned prior to arrival. Instead, it was not and we had to suffer the consequences.

The problem cruise didn’t end there.

I wish that even those two items would have been our only problem with our room. After dealing with the toilet and shower on our first day, we were finally able to get into bed around 1 a.m. We were exhausted from the travel and from the room mishaps. We just wanted to get into bed and go to sleep.

However, when we pulled down the comforter, there was a large stain on the sheets. It was unbelievable that someone could have put sheets on a bed that had such a stain or that the sheets would not have been changed in between cruises. We called the front desk again and complained. They said they would send someone but we were so exhausted from the day that we told them to wait and change them in the morning. We just wanted to sleep.

Four days later, someone changed the sheets.

Our last major concern with our room was the minibar. Our minibar was not cleaned and restocked prior to our arrival. There was an open bottle of water that had been partially drunk still in the fridge at our arrival.

This is disgusting.

Initially, we were charged for this water. Again to the credit of the staff, when we told them about the issue – that it was already opened and partially drunk – they did remove it from our bill. However, this does not change the fact that it still appeared that our room was not cleaned prior to our arrival. It did not change the uneasy feeling we had throughout the whole trip of uncleanliness.

OK, that’s just gross.

Our room was substandard with inhumane conditions. When we complained, we felt as though our complaints were not heard. This was not what we paid for when we booked the cruise. Based on the disrespect and inhumane conditions we received aboard the ship, we feel that it would only be right for Princess to refund our room expense.

The Winicks sent a polite letter to Princess, asking it to address their grievances. The company sent them a response, asking them to call. So they did.

The response was completely unsatisfactory.

We were told that Princess was sorry for the inconvenience and would give us two $175 credits to use on a future cruise before March 2012. The person was very abrupt and would not entertain my husband’s questions or alternative suggestions.

This is unacceptable on multiple fronts. For one, their “compensation” requires us to spend more money and book another cruise with Princess which at this point we are strongly hesitant to do after our last experience. They are in essence forcing us to give them more money as compensation for our terrible experience.

Secondly, in order to use their “compensation”, we are required to take another vacation within the next year. We have no plans to cruise within that time frame. The credits are nontransferable so we cannot give them to someone else who would be traveling.

When I look at the Winicks’ grievance through the eyes of a customer-service representative, I see the dreaded “laundry list” complaint. Unfortunately, those are quickly dismissed as whiners, even when they sometimes aren’t.

For example, I think the non-working toilet was inexcusable. The shower? I might have let that slide. I would have probably dismissed the stain and the half-drunk bottle of water, and just focused on the fact that there was no working toilet in my cabin.

The other issues, oddly, don’t strengthen the complaint — they invalidate it, at least in the eyes of many companies.

I agree with the Winicks that they shouldn’t have to spend more money in order to be compensated for their substandard accommodations. But a full refund of the cruise might be a tall order.

What do you think?

(Photo: wirral water/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Ed

    @Tom,
    You said “And frankly, since they claim they will never go on a cruise againk, what’s Princess’s interest in making them happy?”

    The point is *NOT* to make them happy, but to compensate them for the outlay in cash they made for a substandard experience.

    If I purchase a TV and it only gives me 4 channels, but is advertised for 500 channels, then this is substandard. I expect to get a refund of my money because of the fact that this TV does not function as advertised!

  • Michelle

    I definitely don’t think they received adequate compensation. It does appear that the cabin was NOT correctly turned over between cruises. While I agree that they should have let the situation with shower go (and not watched the repair), I disagree that this would not have been caught in a proper turnover. Had the shower been cleaned properly, a conscientious steward should have noticed, noted, and reported that the bottom was filling up quickly when he/she rinsed it. The situation was certainly unacceptable, but I think “inhumane” is being a bit melodramatic. Inhumane is refugee camps in The Congo, not a properly-furnished cabin on a cruise ship in the Caribbean, despite its mechanical and cleanliness deficiencies. They deserve additional and appropriate compensation that is not predicated on their spending additional monies on Princess Cruises. They don’t seem to have complaints about the other ship facilities, excursions, etc., so maybe a 25% TRUE refund is sufficient.

  • http://www.friendlyplanet.com Peggy M. Goldman

    I am wondering why the Winicks didn’t insist on getting a different cabin once the broken toilet was discovered. Lianne is absolutely correct in her comment about sitting at the desk until a new cabin was uncovered. If the toilet is broken, the shower doesn’t work and the sheets have a stain, there is no reason to stay in this cabin. I wonder if the cabin was simply missed when the rotation of cruises took place. Travelers need to speak up, at the time a problem occurs, and on the spot. Once they endure the problem and wait until they return to file a complaint, it’s typically up to someone like Chris to get some compensation. But isn’t it better to just speak up at the time, thereby avoiding having to endure the problem for the entire cruise? In my experience, you don’t even have to shout and scream at the desk. It’s enough to firmly insist on other accommodations. If another cabin is available (and there is almost always at least one or two available) the crew will want to solve the problem for the passenger.

  • Jeanne in NE

    @Raven: The gastrointestinal thing really might be a valid excuse. I agree with you about the “special card”, but my mother has been dealing with a Crohn’s disease lookalike for the past couple of months, and let me tell you, you really, really want a toilet that flushes, completely and promptly, when she’s around. And a good exhaust fan.

    To others pooh-poohing the Winicks:
    If I’d been on that cruise, in that situation, there would have been a major discussion with managment, right away and until the issues were resolved. I *wasn’t* on that cruise, the *Winicks* were. If the room wasn’t clean and serviced, they didn’t get what they paid for. Vouchers don’t cut it.

  • Traci

    Funny…I just got off the Ruby Princess on Sunday. The toilet in our stateroom flushed instantly 19 out of 20 times, but on occasion did not. No harm, no foul (literally). The shower was slow to drain but did not come close to overflowing. Again, I was having an otherwise great time so I blew off the little stuff. The problem with this person’s issue (I think) is that it was repeated small insults one after another. That kept adding to the ire so that any little thing became part of the big, ugly picture. I personally think a credit was compensation enough.

  • larry b

    Slum next to the Continental Hotel in Belgrade. Inhumane.
    Cabin on Princess Cruise Ship. Spare Me

  • Roberto

    When you truly do have a laundry list of complaints, try to reduce the number to the 1 or 2 most egregious issues (the ones most likely to generate some compensation).

    You can even do this by grouping. For instance, the OP should have reduced the issues to “no working toilet” and “cabin wasn’t cleaned before their arrival”. Once you start listing every little thing that went wrong, you’ll get into nit-picky territory pretty quickly. That business about the nasty stuff that maintenance snaked from the drain made them sound like complete whiners. Good lord.

    There was a good complaint in there somewhere, but it got buried in all the whining.

  • Melissa

    I think to know whether or not the compensation was fair requires more information than we have. For instance, we know it was a 7 day cruise – but we do not know what they paid for the cabin. If two couples go on the same cruise and have the exact same issues, but one paid $1000 per person, and the other couple paid $500 per person…should they get the same compensation? Should it not be somewhat reflective of what they paid to begin with? And Chris is 100% right, the longer your list of complaints is, the shorter the amount of time someone will take to look at them…less really is better if you are looking for compensation.

  • WilliamK

    My family stopped cruising with Princess and Carnival for similar reasons. There is no respect for the customers and when problems arise, you are just SOL… Princess ruined a couple of our cruises with mechanical problems in the cabins including a busted drain line from a bar one deck up. Could not get it fixed, the stink was enough to send people puking, and the kept the bar going with the crude still flowing. Would not move us to other cabins as there were none avail.. Found out later suites were available but not for us pesants in lower cats. Spent half the cruise sleeping on the deck and stored our clothes in a ‘friendly’ passengers’ cabin to keep the stink out of them. Carnival pumped paint stripping fumes into our cabin three mornings in a row and could have killed us… Comp was a few drinks… never again for anything under Carnival Corp… Now take my approx 40 cabins a year to RCL and others… Sad thing is back in the early 90s (pre-carnival), Princess was REALLY nice…

  • Joe Farrell

    Whats wrong with a laundry list if in fact there were multiple issues? how else do you get the point across about multiple issues? The problem is that most people don’t know how to complain – and the whole I have special needs is just acting like a spoiled child.

    I had a similar experience with a clogged toilet on a Holland America cruise – was our first cruise and the room STANK – obviously there had been a back up -and part of it was still backed up on the bathroom floor of our cabin – it was very bureaucratic response that after 3 hours on board and nothing being done –

    I parked myself by the place where they were selling soda and wine plans – asked for a magic marker and extra piece of cardboard -they were very cooperative at that point. I then made up a sign that said: “Back up toilet, been on Board 3 hours- no one cares – not fixed”

    I parked by rear in a chair right there and held my sign up and refused to move until the Hotel Director showed up. He asked me to move to a ‘quiet place to talk about the issue – - and I told him I would move when a) my room was cleaned up, the carpet shampooed, the toilet fixed and the smell gone, or b) they moved us to another cabin.

    People were coming up to me asking me about my problem – and it was making a stir. We had sailed by then – and were out in the Atlantic.

    Within the hour we were comfortably ensconced in a different, identical class cabin, with a bottle of champagne for our trouble.

    you GOTTA act when the effect is the highest- going home and whining is just that . . . . whining – and it sounds like you want something for nothing –

    As I sat there I had my first digital camera and was showing pictures of the ‘crap’ on the floor to anyone who wanted to see . . . .

  • http://www.santafecheapskate.wordpress.com ChelseaGirl

    Let the shower and the stained sheets slide? Um, I don’t think so…a working shower is essential, particularly on a cruise when you may be going to the beach. Stained sheets are just gross. Their room was completely unacceptable and the lack of service was completely unacceptable. It is not clear if they just called housekeeping, but after their requests were not responded to, they should have gone to the customer service desk. I assumed cabins on cruise ships are cleaned daily, so it’s puzzling that their sheets were not changed…but they could have been proactive. If I’m in a hotel and I need towels or sheets, I find a housekeeping cart as it’s going around and I ask for them. Was the ship full? Did they ask to be moved? None of this is clear.

    Nonetheless, the only complaint that is trivial is the water bottle in the fridge. Everything else: very bad. They are not whiners. They had to leave their room to use the john! That alone is enough reason to for a refund or at least a partial. When you pay for a cruise, one of the things you pay for is a room with a properly working bathroom. They did not get it.

  • Dave

    To address some of the commenters: I got the impression that they DID address the issues immediately, onboard the ship. Maybe they didn’t request a new cabin (maybe they did and one truly wasn’t available; this wasn’t discussed in the article), but they did bring the problems to Management’s attention.

    Is the compensation adequate? Maybe, in terms of amount. I firmly believe, though, that vouchers are NEVER an adequate compensation. They’re like product rebates in the on-shore world: the companies expect a high percentage of them will never be used.

  • http://www.nslphotographyblog.com Ned Levi

    As others have said, the room was substandard. It clearly didn’t meet Princess’ standards, or reasonable expectations for the room.

    The toilet should have been fixed immediately (by the next morning) or the couple moved to another equal or better cabin, if available, by the 2nd day of the cruise.

    As to the drain, what did they expect. Drains get filthy, especially when they’ve been clogged. I’d bet it would have been just as ugly if they had to plunge their own shower or tub drain at home. I’m sure Princess sent in housekeeping after the drain was fixed to thoroughly clean and sanitize the shower and the rest of the bathroom. That should have been enough.

    As for the sheets, they decided to sleep on stained sheets themselves. No one held a gun to their head to do so. Were it me, I would have insisted the cabin’s steward get the bed changed immediately with fresh sheets, pillow cases, blanket, and mattress pad. I can’t believe that Princess wouldn’t have accomplished that within an hour of the request.

    The minibar slip-up happens periodically in all cruise ships and hotels. When prior guests place partly drunk refreshments back in the minibar with the cap on, it’s not hard for the housekeeper to miss it. It sounds like the problem was properly handled.

    It more or less sounds as though the room might not have been used in the last cruise, but someone got in the room. It happens. From the story told, it sounds to me as if the Winicks weren’t nearly forceful enough upon discovering their problems to insist on an immediate remedy.

    I once had a broken toilet upon embarking on a Celebrity cruise a number of years ago. We found the toilet wouldn’t flush when we got to the room. We called for help, asked how long it would take, and were told it would be about an hour or so. We went to the pool for about 90 minutes. When we got back to the room, it still wasn’t fixed. I personally went down to guest relations and explained the situation. I knew the cruise was sold out, so we weren’t moving anywhere. I didn’t actually complain as much as “explain,” but I was insistent that the problem would have to be addressed immediately. By the time I got back to the room, the plumber was there. It took about 45 minutes, to fix it, but what a mess. The cabin steward had the bathroom immediately cleaned, and while at it, had the carpet vacuumed, and changed all the bathroom linen.

    I don’t know for sure what the Winicks did to try to get things fixed, but regardless, by the follow-up complaint about the toilet, it should have been fixed. That is the only complaint the Winicks made which deserves compensation, based on what I’ve read above other than a small $50 courtesy credit for the two of them.

    I personally believe a couple of $250 refunds would have been more in order concerning the toilet, but a couple of $175 refunds would have been satisfactory, as opposed to future credits, which doubtless have a time limit.

    At the same time, I have a feeling that the Winicks blew it on the ship by not properly escalating their complaint on the ship’s complaint tree, and their litany of issues in their letter surely didn’t help their cause, by taking the focus away from the toilet problem which was inexcusable.

  • Jules

    @Raven,
    As someone who suffers from 3 separate gastrointestinal disorders (IBS, Ulcerative Collitis and Diverticulitis) I can assure you that when one or a combination of the 3 decide to flare up, it is crucial to be close to a working toilet. As I had found out, not having that luxury can result in a need for clean clothes. While I am quite sure you are in perfect health, and financially well off, please do not belittle someone by saying they are pulling the “I am special” card. Believe me, I wish I didn’t have to deal with this. It makes ordinary activities like going to the zoo, movies, and even dining out an adventure.
    Also, I am a single mother. If I were to want to take my son on a Disney cruise, I would have to save up for months in order to do this. If I found my room in such a state, I would make sure that my issues were taken care of. However, it sounds like this didn’t happen for the OP. Being in a clean and sanitary room is something someone would expect on a cruise ship. They didn’t get that, so they should at least get some compensation. Not full credit, but something.

  • John

    I’m sorry but this person has melodrama written all over them. The toilet did work except for the last day (by her own words it would flush on its own but this wouldn’t prevent you from using it as she implied in her melodramic way).

    She never stated what the stain was but it wasn’t so bad that she couldn’t sleep on it one night so it couldn’t have been that bad. I would guess the sheet itself was stained (aka miscolored) and that in and of itself is not a sanitary issue.

    You watched them service the plumping in your cabin and then was disgusted by what was in the sewer. Ummm…. its a sewer… it carries nasty stuff away. I imagine the same stuff is in your drain at home. If you don’t want know, don’t look.

    Their mini-bar wasn’t serviced correctly prior to sailing. I’m sorry.

    Ultiimately, this is a lesson on how not to complain. The entire note is incredibly melodramatic and over the top. If you have an issue, the time to complain is then not when you get home.

    The only reason why I would be interested in Chris doing anything with this would be to hear the Princess side of the story.

  • Vivi

    I agree with Traci it was the cumulative insults that really made this couple unhappy and I think justifiably so. The toilet not working properly is completely unacceptable for health reasons. While I wouldn’t have watched them clear the shower drain, it sounds like the cabin attendant for this cabin simply wasn’t doing the job–four days to change a stained sheet and the minibar clearly hadn’t been checked during the turn around cleaning.

    I also disagree with the idea that a “laundry list” of issues should be shortened to the biggest issue only. I had the horrible experience of being a 13-night cruise on which the water in my bathroom was brown from rust everyday, the safe was broken and couldn’t be replaced, the cabin door would only open about 30% of the time b/c of a problem with the lock requiring maintenance to come and admit me to my cabin and the cabin attendant stated he didn’t think women should be traveling alone and treated me very badly. Each of these things impacted my daily experience on that cruise. It was a misery and a complete waste of my precious vacation time and money.

    I spoke with the Hotel Director and he, the head of maintenance and a couple other crew came to my cabin, investigated the issues and agreed all were unacceptable but there were no other cabins available in my category, I would have had to downgrade from a balcony to an inside cabin without any monetary compensation. I had to use bottled water to brush my teeth and shower in the gym daily. By the 5th day the maintenance guy who had to come to open the door was annoyed and the cabin attendant, although management spoke with him, continued to be surly.

    In over 30 years of solo travel this was the worse experience I’ve ever had. The ship offered me a couple of bottles of wine (to dull the misery) and that was it. The cruise line offered 50% of my next cruise but since I would never sail with them again it was meaningless. They finally sent me a 25% cash refund. I felt that was fair as I ate the food, enjoyed the entertainment and other ship board amenities but I wouldn’t have gotten it if I had only complained about the brown water or door lock which were the biggest problems.

  • Jeanne in NE

    @Joe Farrell: My kind of response; love it! Not all of us are quite that, umm, direct, though. I know that my husband would be hiding somewhere else on board while I pulled a stunt like that! A little sympathy for those who are less direct, though, ok?

  • L2Y2

    Absolutely mediate, Chris!!! The Winick’s experienced unacceptable cabin conditions. From their first complaint the cruise line should have tried to find them another cabin. Or given them ship credit to use to help compensate them. I would have been totally grossed out by the toilet not flushing, the disgusting shower drain, the partially empty water bottle AND the stain on the sheets. STAIN on the sheets!!!!! It is questionable as to whether that room had been cleaned before they boarded. To offer them a voucher for another cruise (with an expiration date!) is like telling them they really don’t care at all. Even if they don’t go on another Princess cruise, they will certainly tell other people how they were treated by Princess. Does Princess not care what people say about them?

  • http://www.middle-aged-diva.blogspot.com Carol (Middle-aged-diva)

    I side with the commenters who felt that the number of items on the “laundry list” was a valid part of the problem. I don’t really understand why a “laundry list” would be ignored–it’s potentially a sign of a bigger problem than, for example, just a toilet that won’t flush. Any reasonable, customer-service oriented cruise line would want to know about it so they could rectify it. Especially if it were consistent with other issues and potentially a systemic issue. If a whole bunch of things happen, they should all be reported. I’m puzzled at the advice that to get any kind of compensation, a customer would need to omit valid issues from their complaint. Every issue should be taken seriously. The passengers should have felt free to list their issues. It’s the CRUISE LINE that should be concerned about 1) their passengers 2) their service levels given a “laundry list” and 3) their reputation.

    Now, I do wonder why they slept several nights on stained sheets, why they didn’t camp out near the cruise director’s office and why they watched a drain being unplugged. Nonetheless, if they had valid complaints, as paying passengers their complaints should have been logged and handled.

  • Thomas

    WAH, WAH, WAH. Get over it!

  • http://jennymcb.blogspot.com/ Jennymcb

    The more I read about cruises, the less it becomes a vacation destination for me. Given that this was a first time cruise, the Winicks’ probably wouldn’t have thought of camping out by a desk/store, but what a great idea. Hope Princess cruises recognizes that this was not a vacation worth repeating and provides better compensation.

  • suz

    I agree that the laundry list doesn’t help their case. It is better to pick the biggest problem, get thier attention and start there. It is just the way customer service reps think — when someone complains about a bottle of water in the mini-fridge, you gotta wonder if this is legit or just a person that likes to be critical.

    I agree that the service was not acceptable and they should have been offered a real refund of some type. Toilet issues are no fun and deserve a refund of some type.

  • Chris

    While I wouldn’t be satisfied, I think the lady sounds like a whiner. The whole “One of us has a gastrointestinal disease which requires a working toilet nearby at all times” thing just sounds made up. There is no medical literature that says a person “requires a working toilet nearby at all times” sounds like mealy-mouthed drama-speak.

    As far as the drain, why on earth would you go look at it? Did the maintenance guy just LEAVE it there for you? And you “could not feel clean in that room” again? Really? What if I told you that someone’s feces had once been in your toilet? Would you never feel clean again?

    As far as the sheets, I don’t buy it. Not one bit. If they were as bad as you said, you would not have slept in them for FOUR DAYS (C.E. said they were changed four days later; this was not in the posted portion of the letter), especially if you’re as frail and sensitive as your previous complaints made it sound.

    The water? Meh, who cares. It’s a misstep, not a reason for a refund.

    In short, I don’t believe half of this and much of the other half is histrionics. I can’t imagine being the customer service rep who listened to your complaint.

  • Carver

    @Joe and Raven

    I strongly disagree that one shouldn’t disclose special needs in a complaint letter. The OP is not asking for special treatment, but rather that the travel provider fulfill its obligations.

    The reason why the OP should disclose his/her special needs is so that the readers understand that the OP is not being whiny but that particular failure by the travel provider cause a major negative impact to the OP.

    For example, a non-working toilet, can be remediated by using a public bathroom. But if you can’t make it that far, the result is defacting on oneself, repeatedly. That brings the problem to an entire different level.

    Remember, the OP is using the illness to get something special, just what he/she is entitled to.

  • Mark K

    The fact that they were OK with sleeping on the stained sheets for FOUR DAYS makes me wonder about the remainder of the complaints. I would never sleep on sheets for even one night that were stained to the degree that they make it sound. Also, if they were throwing words around like “inhumane conditions” I’m sure whoever they were talking to immediately thought they were simply whiners. I’ve found the responsiveness of the staff to correct your problems depends on how you report the issues to them.

    It is an unfortunate side effect of how the cruise lines run their boats that things get to the point where they need to be repaired but there is no time. When the ship arrives on a Saturday morning and departs the same afternoon there simply is no way everything can be checked. An unclean room is not acceptable since every room should be stripped and cleaned at the end of every cruise. There definitely were issues with the room in this case, it is unfortunate that the issues were not really addressed.

  • Linda Pearl

    I think when someone composes a letter of complaint, they should pick and choose adjectives that state the facts, not over embellish to the point of corporate eye rolling, as this line must have gotten.
    “Our room was substandard with inhumane conditions. When we complained, we felt as though our complaints were not heard. ”
    I understand they were unhappy, but inhumane? C.mon!

  • Thalassa

    I’m rather surprised by how many people are completely horrified by a stained sheet. We don’t know how stained it was, and clearly, it wasn’t anything fresh, or the OP would have said so. It could have been just a bit of discoloration that you see on sheets that have been laundered thousands of times. It couldn’t have been too horrible if they were willing to sleep there anyhow.

  • Emanuel Levy

    I also agree that normally a laundry list of problems would equal a complainer but not tin this case.

    There was apparently (based on the OP) the issue that the room may have been overlooked for cleaning. I would assume the Minibar would be cleaned out between sailings. If that is the case the facts that the Mini Bar had a half used bottle of water in it and the sheets had a stain or discoloration would be a strong indicator to me of an uncleaned room.

    Also when cleaning the shower I would assume water would be used and someone would notice if it was not draining.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Carver – “I strongly disagree that one shouldn’t disclose special needs in a complaint letter. The OP is not asking for special treatment, but rather that the travel provider fulfill its obligations.”
    - – - – - – - – - – - – -
    My question is did the OP disclosed this special need to the cruise line before the cruise (i.e. “one of us has a gastrointestinal disease which requires a toilet nearby at all times; therefore, can you email a map of the ship with the location of the public toilets?”) and/or during the cruise (i.e. “one of us has a gastrointestinal disease which requires a toilet that flushes; therefore, can you fix the toilet in our cabin ASAP or transfer us to a cabin with a working toilet?”)?

    If you have a special need, it should be disclosed before the ‘trip’ or during the ‘trip’ NOT after the trip. The toilet should have been working but things do break down, fall through the cracks, etc. Most companies do respond quickly to customers with special needs.

  • Mike Z

    As I read all the newer comments I see there is a trend in saying that when there is a lot of issues wrong, a list is necessary to point out the gravity of the problems. What I do not agree with is all the other “fluff” that was added in to the OPs letter.

    For example, their toilet complaint took 3 paragraphs. It should have been one simple one. Something like “Our toilet did not work properly despite multiple attempts to call for service. At one point it stopped working completely, which is unacceptable for someone with health issues who needs constant access to a restroom”

    Then the shower issue should have been one sentence. “The shower did not drain properly and we could not shower until maintenance came and fixed the drain”.

    The last two issues should have been rolled in to one. “It also appears that our room was not given the attention it required. The sheets on the bed were stained and took 4 days to be replaced. At least one item in the minibar had been opened previous.”

    then a final summary “I can understand perhaps one item, but multiple items such as this show me the cabin was not cleaned and working to the cruise line’s expectations. Because of these issues, I am requesting a $xx cash refund as compensation. I’ll expect these funds to be credited to my charge account by xx date. thank you.”

    Simple, to the point, and contains the entire list of complaints. Something that short would not put the reader to sleep nor make it look as if they were whiners or that they were “special”.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    @ Mike Z: I agree with you…most people don’t know how to complain effectively.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    My take of the situation is

    1) that the OPs purchased a cruise directly from Princess or from an online booking site. It didn’t seem like they dealt with a travel agent where they would have spent the same amount of money for their cruise. The bottom line is that cruising is not for everyone. A professional travel agent would have made sure that a cruise was suitable for the OPs; give tips, suggestions, etc. to the OPs; recommend certain cruise lines; set the proper expectations; etc.

    2) it turned out that the OPs didn’t like cruising and they started a laundry list along with their ‘colorful’ descriptions of their problems. Why are they asking for a full refund of their cruise?

    I think that Princess should give the OPs 5% to 10% of the price that they paid for their cruise in CASH as their compensation for the problems that they encountered.

  • Sally

    @Mike Z – I agree with you completely. I do feel that all relevant complaints should be listed, and they way you did it was perfect. I don’t think something like a half bottle of water left in the mini bar is enough for a separate line item on the list. The OP apparently had a legitimate complaint, but the melodrama was over the top resulting in many of the commenters calling them whiny instead of seeing the real issues. I too had to say “huh?” when they used the term “inhumane”.

  • count Florida

    We had two pretty good cruises on Princess, one on the Caribbean Princess with a local group, everything went relatively smoothly so we didn’t have to complain or ask for help. The other, a Panama Canal transit from Los Angeles to Ft. Lauderdale in a suite, was even better in some respects although the main dining room food and service didn’t seem quite as good, more rushed, fewer choices. Then, on our third Princess cruise, a short one R/T Ft. Lauderdale early last year, just about everything went wrong. When a crew has two embarkation days in one week, they really have a (perhaps too) heavy workload.

    That said, the front desk people on that cruise (Ruby Princess) never answered the phone, stonewalled after I waited in line to see one of the two agents on duty, until I wouldn’t leave the second time and demanded to see the manager, and finally got a little loud about it. He explained they couldn’t revise the bill, that the computer was “locked” and gave me a business card for Princess Customer Service ashore, which turned out to be in England! I never noticed till I got home. Luckily, I had written documentation of the dispute plus a witness, so after I found that the only phone # I had was overseas, I called my credit card company and disputed the charge – which had to be the entire charge for the cruise, as everything was in one single charge. I was disputing something less than half the total charges.

    Well, unfortunately for them, Princess was less than candid with AMEX Platinum, so when I submitted my documentation and gave them the number of my witness, AMEX approved the entire reversal and (I believe) told Princess to collect any legit charges from me directly. That was over a year ago, and I haven’t heard from them, but I half expect to hear from a collection agency at some point. BUT, I still have all my documentation and my witness, and if they try something like that, I’ll see them in small claims court, unless I can find a creative attorney who can figure a way to go for more than $5,000., the small claim limit here. I even have a copy of the false explanation they submitted to Princess, and the Princess documentation to disprove what they said. The amount ‘written off’ was less than $300. in total, so maybe it’s so little they won’t worry about it.

    We won’t be going back on Princess though, and I’ve warned some of my friends who’ve asked. We had cruised with Princess before Carnival bought them. I think they have gone down in quality and class since that buy-out; they are more of a mass-market line now than the premium line they used to be, in my opinion. Just one example: they used to have legions of professional European waiters that were very good, but after the buy-out, it seems they are too rushed, spread too thin, not quite as good. The last cruise was chock full, too rushed, too many people seated at the table; even the wonderful Italian restaurant was understaffed. So be it!

  • Carver

    @Arizona

    My question is did the OP disclosed this special need to the cruise line before the cruise (i.e. “one of us has a gastrointestinal disease which requires a toilet nearby at all times; therefore, can you email a map of the ship with the location of the public toilets?”)

    I see your point, but am not convinced in this specific instance. Since a working toilet is a basic amenity that is always expected, I don’t think the OP needed to disclcose her illness beforehand. One expects a cruise ship to have adequate facilities. Now, if the OP were traveling outside where quick access to a toilet is not necessarily a given, then the OP would need to be more proactice.

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    and/or during the cruise (i.e. “one of us has a gastrointestinal disease which requires a toilet that flushes; therefore, can you fix the toilet in our cabin ASAP or transfer us to a cabin with a working toilet?”)?

    I agree with that. Once remediation is needed, I see no reason why the OP shouldn’t explain why her situation merits prompt attention.

  • EricR

    I just cruised on the Caribbean Princess in early February, and I’m not sure I was on the same ship as the Winicks.

    Perhaps it was because this was their first cruise that issues such as a broken toilet, clogged shower drain, stained sheets, and unstocked minibar “ruined” their cruise. But I’ve had all of those happen to me in the past — even all on the same cruise — but those inconveniences never caused me to miss buffets, shows, culinary demonstrations, ship’s tours, shore excursions, meals in the dining room, island night parties, and all the other activities offered on board in which the Winicks were able to participate.

    For the Winicks to demand more than $350 total compensation on a future cruise is ludicrous, IMHO. Having a broken toilet and clogged shower drain didn’t cost them money…they were just unfortunate inconveniences that could have been overcome with some polite assertiveness. For example, they slept four days in stained sheets? Really!? All they had to do to get clean sheets was strip their bed the next morning and grab clean sheets from any of the myriad of steward carts lining the hallways; then page their room steward to make the bed or risk a complaint to to the Hotel Services Dept. What drugs were they on that something like this was so difficult?

    My impression is that the Winicks are the type of people who prefer to complain about every little thing in an effort to get money back or discounted future cruises. Calling the conditions of their cabin “inhumane” because of bad plumbing is gross hyperbole that will usually cause even the best customer service personnel to roll their eyes and tell a complainer to kiss off. It wasn’t like a herd of animals came in and crapped on the carpet, vomited on their deck, bled on the couch, and spit on the desk, allowing insects and vermin to cohabitate with them. Sheesh!

    Seriously, Princess is better off without the whiney Winicks.

  • Melissa

    To revisit the “Laundry List” topic: the reason you don’t want to present a laundry list of issues is because it appears to the person who could potentially help you that you will find fault with everything. Therefore the person who has the power to step in and maybe fix some of the issues will feel that it is a lost cause and no matter what they do for you, you will still find more fault. This person will think to themselves “my God, what is the point? This person will never be happy”. However, by presenting only a couple major issues that are fixable, the person with the ability to help the traveler sees the realistic opportunity to take an unhappy passenger and make them happy, and will probably therefore go the extra mile.

    Parking yourself in a common area with a handwritten sign only sends the message that you have no negotiating skills. It says that if you don’t get your way, then throwing a tantrum like a child is an effective solution. Which it never is (unless of course you really are a child).

  • Aaron

    > “Our room was substandard with inhumane conditions.”

    Substandard? Clearly.

    Inhumane? Give me a friggin’ break.

    This is another problem I have with complaints – so many people try to make every problem sound like a major disaster.

    Do they think the customer service reps are stupid?

    A non-working toilet that never got fixed, a clogged shower, stained sheets and an opened bottle of water in the minibar are adequate reasons to request compensation. The facts are the facts. Perhaps if the Winicks hadn’t tried to make their room sound like the solitary confinement wing of a Cuban prison, they would have received better results.

    I, for one, think it’s silly to let your vacation get ruined by stuff like this. All their problems are legit, to be sure. But for goodness’ sake, go to the front desk, give them a list, and then get out on the Sunshine Deck and enjoy the ocean. I’ve traveled in places where the facilities are always going to be substandard. Part of the adventure of travel is to roll with the punches. If you can’t see the sunny side, why bother to leave home? Enjoy what you can, then go home, email and say “We had a lovely time, but X, X and X failed to meet our expectations.” Then see what happens.

    For the record, if I was Princess Cruises, I wouldn’t want them back on my boats either.