Is Glenn Monroe’s bed and breakfast really a “horrible” place? Let’s ask TripAdvisor

Glenn Monroe and his wife own the Westbrook Inn, in Connecticut, which he describes as the “perfect” place to “step back in time to the romantic Victorian era.”

But that isn’t how some TripAdvisor reviewers see it. Although the Westbrook Inn is fairly highly ranked on the site, it has a few critics, some of which claim his rooms are overrated and that Monroe’s staff is “not nice.”

That’s not Monroe’s problem.

It is this: Some of the reviews about Monroe’s bed and breakfast are fabricated, he contends. And TripAdvisor has dragged its feet in removing the bogus reviews, costing him valuable business.

He asked me to look into the problem, and although I rarely mediate business-to-business disputes, I’ll make an exception for this one.

The problem started earlier this year when someone — Monroe isn’t sure who — posted a one-star review that claimed his hotel was a “horrible place” and said he was “rude and classless.”

“They said that they stayed with us in February,” he adds.

But that’s impossible, he says. The property was closed the entire month.

“I provided proof that my wife and I, who are the owners, weren’t even in the state by faxing in documentation of a reciept of our Florida stay for the entire month of February to TripAdvisor,” he adds.

Yet he contends TripAdvisor allowed the “smear campaign” to remain on its site for three weeks.

“I called countless times and got the runaround,” he says.

Finally, TripAdvisor removed the review.

End of story? If only.

We though we dodged a bullet, but the reviewer wrote another review, and it was even worse. It stated that a condom was on the bed, and much more.

We hired an Internet company to help us and to track down who was writing this review. TripAdvisor was no help and left the review posted for another three weeks before the company was able to convince TripAdvisor that this was the same reviewer.

We just got that review removed.

Monroe is upset that TripAdvisor moved slowly, costing him potential business. But he’s even more irritated at the tedious process of disproving a user-generated review, which involved seemingly countless calls, emails and faxes — a process he’s undergone three times now.

I share that concern.

Wouldn’t it be easier if guests verified they actually visited the property, instead of the hotel having to disprove they were there?

At the very least, Monroe says, TripAdvisor should release the IP address of the reviewer in question, so that he can know who’s behind the campaign. But it won’t.

(Hmmm, anonymous reviews? You know, hiding behind the Internet is so 1990s. If you’re going to say something publicly about a hotel, shouldn’t you have to use your real name?)

I asked TripAdvisor about Monroe’s problems. It acknowledged that it had reviewed and removed three reviews.

In all three instances, we immediately followed up with the owner and in two of the cases, removed the review within 24 hours of being contacted.

The third case required us to follow-up with the owner several times, and, following further investigation, we removed the review in approximately three weeks.

In every case the owner was informed by email of the actions being taken.

In regards to the owners’ request for the IP addresses of the reviewers to be released, we are unable to share this without a subpoena as it is a violation of our privacy policy.

TripAdvisor also sent me a boilerplate statement about the integrity of its reviews and the effectiveness of its fraud-detection algorithm.

I asked Monroe what he thought of the rebuttal.

TripAdvisor’s comment that two of the reviews were removed within 24 hours of our complaint is blatantly false.

The fact is, one of us is telling a tale.

They refused my request and said the review met their guidelines on all accounts.

They even refused to post our owner’s response which we tried to write since they would not remove the review. Our inn’s reputation was allowed to be comprimised each time while they took their time doing their investigation.

The latest one maintained a three-week time frame and then was reposted by the same user with different writing but the same general attack tactics and content.

I showed TripAdvisor Monroe’s answer, and it said it had nothing to add and stood by its original rebuttal.

Of course, this is a can of worms.

In coming months and years, you’ll probably decide if the TripAdvisor model of anonymous and unverified user-generated reviews is preferable to the professionally-written and verified reviews published by Frommers and Zagat, which are both now owned by Google.

(Full disclosure: My column appears on Frommers.com, which was recently acquired by Google. Something tells me I’m not going to survive the acquisition. But that’s life on the Internet, isn’t it?)

I can’t do anything more for Monroe. If another bogus review pops up, I can’t guarantee it will be fixed in 24 hours or three weeks — or ever.

But maybe you can help me figure out who’s telling the tale.

Update (8/24): TripAdvisor has sent me a chronology of events, which it asked me to publish.

Review 1/3 reported:

• On April 17, a 1 rating review appeared on the site, referencing a stay in February.

• On April 18, Chris Monroe (property representative) contacted Customer Support (CS) staff on the phone and within minutes of the call ending, reported the review through the Management Centre, stating: “Owners not at property as reviewer stated – on vacation in Fl. Supporting documentation provided by fax.”

• On April 19, the review was removed after indications of suspicion were found in data which suggested a connection between the reviewer and the property in violation of our guidelines

• The owner was emailed regarding the removal of the review.

Review 2/3 reported:

• On May 27, another 1 rating review appeared on the site.

• On May 28 the owner reported it

• On May 29, Chris Monroe called CS twice, both times requesting to speak with the staff member they had spoken to the previous month (on 4/18, see first review above). As she was unavailable, staff offered to walk them through the process of reporting/disputing a review, and they declined.

• On May 30, Chris Monroe called CS staff again and outlined her concerns that the review was submitted by their neighbor. CS indicated that the review had been through the appropriate procedures; Monroe requested to speak with a manager, and Sibu subsequently left her a message the following day (no response).

• On June 13, property representative called CS staff requesting escalation; on June 15, CS Manager received an e-mail regarding the review and email sent to reviewer for verification. E-mail sent to property noting that we take reports of fraud seriously, and that our process would require 7 -9 days (to account for the verification process).

• On June 22, the review was automatically removed by the system, following failed verification.

Review 3/3 reported:

• On June 26, a 1 rating review appeared on the site indicating that a condom was found on the bed.

• On July 5, the owner reported it and on July 6 it was pulled down and removed. An email was sent to the owner stating the review was removed.

These three particular cases did not seem one of the more common types of fraud, as these reviews were from public IP addresses from a standard internet service provider in NY (the majority of positive reviews also come out of the same area).

  • Joe_D_Messina

    I don’t even see an easy non-cost-effective way to verify every review. It would require some cross-check between the reviewer and the hotel to verify they’d stayed there which would be cumbersome for all involved.
    And small places like B&Bs would know who had been problem guests and would just deny they’d ever stayed there to effectively block negative reviews. The only people who would jump through all the hoops would either be completely in love with the place or vengeful against it; the middle ground which is what makes reviews useful, would be lost.

  • SoBeSparky

    I entirely agree. When we read the anecdotal, however, we must be careful not to then assume the general. TA is successful because people generally get accurate reviews and successfully stay at well-reviewed places. No free site can stay alive with bad info. This clearly was a mistake, but I would not say one or the other lied. When dealing with a corporate bureaucracy, sometimes mistakes are hard to correct. This took three weeks.

    Compare this to an airline which does not refund real money ($$$) for 14-18 months or so, a complaint Chris has written about many times.

    People must become savvy if they wish to use free review sites. They must dig into the background of the reviewer, and if it does not exist or the site does not allow background info, then just forget about the reviewer or the site.

    It is common sense to trust a review as one person’s honest opinion of a TA member since 2009 who has made over 50 contributions and traveled on three continents, rather than a reviewer who joined last month, has posted one contribution, and does not list his/her home city.

  • Michael__K

    I agree, but I wonder how easily TripAdvisor could rigorously verify people even if it wanted to. Someone willing to go to the extraordinary efforts described here to repeatedly post fake reviews might also be capable of producing a fake email confirmation or invoice.

    I imagine TripAdvisor would need to get all of the OTA’s (and hotel chains) to agree to collaborate with them to allow for electronic verification of name + date + confirmation number. And that still might not account for walk-up and phone-reservation guests.

  • Kevin Mathews

    Carver,
    While on the surface, I would agree with you that they simply provide the forum, but they actually go a step beyond that on their website that could put them at jeopardy. They Specifically state on their website a one thing that might make them more then a simple forum:
    * “TripAdvisor offers trusted advice from real travelers”
    By claiming that it’s trusted, that could put them in the line of fire for a Libel lawsuit by allowing it to be posted and stating that they trust it. That’s like giving it their stamp of approval… Their only saving grace is their ability to quickly remove the comments from the site. But a good lawyer could argue that if they trust it, they should be required to vet it before it’s posted…

  • Joe_D_Messina

    I’ve never read the fine print in hotel policies but I know some leases include clauses requiring the renter to promptly inform the landlord of issues. Failure to do so would put them on the hook for extra damages done as a result of the delay. (Like not reporting a leak for months.) Of course, this case would be a question of waiting hours and not months. Plenty of room to argue over how severe it would have to be to require an immediate report as opposed to waiting until morning.

  • Guest

    Actually, Adam1222: You made it three personal attacks, first on Glenn Monroe with your “Get over it” line and hostile attitude, then to Lisa with your “you must be confused” and finally to Chris with “if you think this blog is about the truth…” And your exit line “Have a good day in your search for “the truth” does not inspire anyone to take your side of anything.

  • Adam1222

    I wasn’t hoping for an anonymous poster to take my side, dearie. And I don’t think its an insult to Chris to say his blog isn’t dedicated to rooting out “the truth.” It’s not a fact-checking site, it deals with consumer complaints and sometimes seeks happy resolutions – which will rarely end up discovering the “truth.”

  • Joe_D_Messina

    I doubt hotels would ever buy into such a system because of liability concerns in the event of a data breach. Sure, Trip Advisor would make reviewers agree to the verification, but there’s payment info that would need to be safeguarded and what of the info on all the other guests in the system? All their data would need to be safeguarded.

    But even looking past the security concerns, a system like that would scare the crap out of me if I ran a mid-classed hotel that provides affordable accommodations but rarely knocks customers’ socks off. The vast majority of would-be reviewers would say “forget it” the second they were forced to find their reservation number or had to figure out if it was them or their significant other who was the one attached to the reservation. The only people left willing to jump through the hoops would either be fanboys or have an axe to grind. If you’re a Best Western, get ready for a ton of one-star reviews. And as the number of reviews fell, Trip Advisor would lose significance and eventually disappear.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    True, its not conclusive proof, but they’ve made the prima facie case.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    I seriously doubt that would fly. Tripadvisdor has thousands upon thousands of reviews from all over the world. No reasonable person could believe that they vet each review before its posted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jennifer.finger.37 Jennifer Finger

    First of all Adam, lose the “dearie.” You don’t mean it affectionately. I’m the one who posted. Unfortunately, the And yes, you did insult a number of people here. Knock off the snideness. You lower the level of civility for everyone.

  • Adam1222

    Thanks for the tips! xoxox!

  • http://www.facebook.com/CarverFarrow Carver Clark Farrow

    Perhaps. Although the nature of a lease and a hotel stay are so different, I’d be hesitant to use one as an analogy for another. I’d probably look first at the innkeepers laws of said state.

  • http://profiles.google.com/saucywench S E Tammela

    Who’s lying? How can we answer that (and it’s not really the point, anyway)?

    I find it ridiculous to call for the company to release the IP. They are 100% correct that it’s not appropriate. It’s akin to demanding someone’s phone number. If I have the right to write an anonymous review (which is what TripAdvisor is about) then how dare someone think they have the right to know the identity of the reviewer?

    Incidentally, it’s not necessarily useful to have the IP anyway. Many people’s IPs change frequently, often the IP will represent MANY different people, and if I were intent on smearing a business, I can use technology to fake my IP anyway.

    I can certainly understand how frustrated this owner is, but ultimately, TripAdvisor shouldn’t need to investigate every claim of “fake” reviews. Anyone can fax a fake itinerary proving their hotel was closed… I’m not saying the owner was dishonest, I’m saying TripAdvisor can’t possibly always know when reviews are fake.

    The most constructive thing an owner can do is to look after their customers, encourage feedback and leave a guestbook out for testimonials. If you culture the good reviews, the odd negative one-star will look ridiculous and be ignored by most readers anyway.

  • flip44

    Yes, a competitor or someone with a nasty grudge.
    The BNB should add a banner to its site with “We have been hacked with erroneous bad reviews. Our good reputation is intact. We are dedicated to good service. You defintely will enjoy your stay here. Promise”

  • Bill___A

    I went to tripadvisor, the only negative comment was left by some less than stellar guests who left the toilet running all night rather than call someone. The rest of the reviews seem to be from people who are quite happy.
    I know that all of the tripadvisor reviews are not completely true. I get suspicious when they are too good or too bad, unless they are all good or all bad. I also try to be truthful when I write a review there – and I have written quite a few.,