“I cried through the whole experience”

You were right.

Last week, several readers reported an intrusive, new screening procedure being used by the TSA — activity the agency suggested was not new at all.

But this week, I received fresh reports that the TSA is stepping up its aggressive — and some say illegal — searches.

Here’s reader Deedee Mac, who was flying from Chicago to Richmond, Va., recently. A TSA officer approached her in the terminal.

I was pulled to the side, and asked to open my handbag, and carry-on bag for search. I had not exited the secure area since going through security in Chicago.

I was not given an explanation for why — except, “TSA requires it.”

Again, random stationary checks before boarding are not unusual or new. But roaming searches are. They essentially give TSA agents the ability to ask anyone in the terminal to be subjected to an ID check and search at any time. Even when you’re waiting, or having lunch, or God forbid, in the restroom.

Perhaps the most disturbing response to my story came from a reader named Moe. He asked me not to use his last name, for reasons that will become apparent in a second.

Moe was flying from Seattle to Phoenix last week, when he was pulled over for a secondary screening. To say it was a thorough search would probably be an understatement.

As they went to the room, a rather large TSA officer who let them in says to them “have fun”. I must say, as shameful as it sounds for an almost 56-year-old man, I cried through the whole experience.

The one man watching held his head down low as he watched realizing what this experience was doing to me. The other continued with what I considered an illegal sexual molestation of my body.

After that, they took their gloves and ran them through a machine and found nothing and said I could get the rest of my things on and go. There is nothing that an X-ray can show that would need this sexual pat down to run gloves through a machine.

Could things get any worse? Yes. This week brought even more evidence that the TSA is out of control.

Unsafe scanners? TSA is in trouble after admitting reports about the radiation levels in its full-body scanners included “gross” errors. “If TSA contractors reporting on the radiation levels have done such a poor job, how can airline passengers and crew have confidence in the data used by the TSA to reassure the public?” asked Maine Senator Susan Collins. Bottom line: Despite TSA’s claims to the contrary, we just don’t know if the full-body scanners are safe.

Ban scanners? Remember that lawsuit by the Electronic Privacy Information Center that I mentioned a few weeks ago? The group wants to stop the TSA from using the scanners that show a naked image of a passenger’s body as a primary means of screening. Well, they had their day in court last week, and it didn’t go well. You can read the whole account here. It looks as if no court is willing to tell the government to stop these allegedly illegal screening practices.

TSA ‘cooks the books’ on federal screeners? TSA misleadingly claimed that the cost of the privatized screening program is at least 17 percent higher than the cost of using screeners who are TSA employees, according to Rep. John Mica, the Transportation Committee chairman. “In essence, TSA cooked the books to try to eliminate the federal-private screening program,” he said. TSA Administrator John Pistole has made no secret of his disdain for private screening programs. But cooking the books? C’mon.

More states move to stop TSA. Texas is the latest state to propose measures that would stop the TSA’s screening practices. The Lone Star State joins New Jersey, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania — all of which want to limit or stop TSA from illegally searching their citizens. Maybe the states will act if the courts won’t. That could be interesting.

Interesting week. And very disturbing, if you ask me.

How do you think this is going to end? Will the TSA prevail, and will its invasive new screening techniques become the new “normal.” Or do you think the lawsuits and legislative measures will push the agency back?

This was a close one. But the TSA wins.

(Photo: A la mode stuff/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Carver

    @Lisa

    No, Thalassa is not a slave. She is a person expressing a choice and opinion is a clam collected manner. Of course, since, it doesn’t agree with yours, then that gives you license to hurl invectives.

    I wonder if you similarly criticize and browbeat your interviewees when making your compilations so that they give you what you want to hear?

  • Komal

    I wonder if this will continue if every passenger carries a dosimeter badge and actually measures the veracity of TSA safety claims – we can atelast make Rapiscan accountable for their machines….

  • Eric

    You know, if I have to go thru a full-body pat-down. I’m gonna take some Viagra on the way to the airport. I’m gonna make it just as creepy as I can for that TSA agent.

  • MarkieA

    I’m a little late to this discussion, but

    @Tom
    No, in fact, we do NOT live in a democracy; we live in a republic. The people we elect are SUPPOSED to listen to us and pass laws FOR us. They don’t have to. And that’s the point some folks are making. The representatives are scared to pass any law that may make them look “soft on terror”, regardless of the voices opposing them.

    And “Man up!” Really? You would say the same to a 56-year old female? Who are you to say how one person should feel when facing what was clearly a traumatic incident?

    Again, I’ll repeat my request to you and the other TSA apologists. You Man Up and tell us all, What action by TSA would be considered by you to be too far? What line do they have to cross? Strip searches? Stopping all cars into and out of the airport? Stopping you on the street within x miles of the airport? Just name it. I bet you won’t. Because then, when it happens, you’d be forced to agree with the rest of the so-called nutcases you deride.

  • Carver

    @MarkieA

    We actually don’t know that it was “clearly” a traumatic experience. We know how Moe’s reacted, but we don’t know what was done or not done to him. At best, if we assume that Moe’s reaction was reasonable under the circumstances, we are left to make an inference.

  • Sommer Gentry

    Who are you empathy-challenged bullies? Seriously, when you see an injured person, do you kick them in their broken leg? When you pass a car accident, do you stop to laugh at the victims? That’s all I can think when you repeat over and over that you don’t care that thousands of Americans are reporting serious psychological trauma. Sexual assault leaves lifelong scars, and I will never forget and never get over my attack. Yet you cruelly dismiss the victims by saying that of course, you wouldn’t have been upset if the same thing happened to you, or you pester the victims to reveal salacious details of shameful crimes perpetrated on them. Moe’s story isn’t an isolated incident. It isn’t even rare; I know twenty thousand people who are traumatized enough to alter the course of their lives over this. You don’t care about thousands upon thousands of agitated and distressed, sleepless and tormented, and yes, crying, fellow Americans. What a bunch of heartless bullies.

  • MarkieA

    @Carver

    By definition, it was traumatic. Moe said it was, so it was. Now, whether or not YOU would have been traumatized by the same experience, or whether a “reasonable” person would have or should have been traumatized is what you’re debating, I believe. But you simply cannot tell someone, “No. You were not traumatized by that event.”

  • cjr

    “and I will gladly volunteer to strip naked if they ask me to in order to make sure my plane is safe.”

    Gee, thanks for so willingly being part of the problem, and not part of the solution.

  • Carver

    @MarkieA

    Read my post carefully. No one is debating that Moe was traumatized. Or at least, I’m not. I accept him at his word. However, his trauma does little to advance the discussion as to the TSA’s action unless we know whether his reaction was reasonable. I think you would agree with that.

    @Sommer

    “[Y]ou cruelly dismiss the victims by saying that of course, you wouldn’t have been upset if the same thing happened to you”

    Well, since none of us know what happened to Moe, then that’s hardly the case. I have no idea if I would be “meh no big deal” or “WTF”, get some bail money cause I’ll be kicking the TSA agent’s ass.

    ” …or you pester the victims to reveal salacious details of shameful crimes perpetrated on them.”

    That’s just silly. No one is asking for salacious details. But it is silly for you to ask me to take any action based on Moe’s non-account. TSA made a grown man cry so TSA must be at fault. That’s a patently ridiculous position to hold.

    ———————–
    I know twenty thousand people who are traumatized enough to alter the course of their lives over this.

    20,000 people. ’nuff said.

  • Lisa S

    Seems that flying is going to be something I do less and less. The first time the TSA attempts to sexually assault me, I will cancel my flight (God bless Southwest!) and then contact a reporter. Given that people have videoed and posted the TSA behaving poorly, it seems like filming and streaming this criminal (and it should be criminal regardless of how cowardly the legislators and judges are) activity is the best thing we can do at the moment.

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    Oh, look — another story to mock — I wonder if their bosses also told them to “have fun” like the sadist in Moe’s case:

    http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/post911/aviation/iteam_reaganstripsearch.html

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    And yet another. But let’s not get pissed at our security overlords, oh no; let’s get pissed at a statement instead: “In a democracy, people get the government they deserve.”
    Because so many of them are just fine with these searches and just fine with the assault of their fellow citizens — as long as it doesn’t happen to them personally.

    “. . . We were therefore surprised when, 10 minutes before take-off, a uniformed TSA Supervisor, two uniformed TSA agents, and a plain-suited Supervisory Transportation Security Officer (TSO) made their way down the aisle of the fully-loaded plane to where we were seated and ordered us to go with them . . . I could thus only conclude that it had been staged for the sole purpose of demonstrating to the entire captive audience of passengers that those who do not comply quietly will be made examples of. I have subsequently been bombarded with emails detailing experiences ranging from petty humiliations to horrifying, including an inordinate number of women reporting overly intrusive groping of their breasts and pubic areas . . . .”

    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20110315/OPINION/103150305/1049/Revolutionary-calls-freedom-8212-where-they-America-

  • Dixie

    @Joe Farrell wrote … “In order to force you to leave the terminal AFTER you have been screened they must call the police. Let the cops make the call. Turn on the recording feature of your cell phone. Dollars to donuts the local cops will NOT force you to leave…”

    Did you see last year’s video of the mother who was bullied by the TSA after requesting the breast milk she was carrying not be x-rayed, but rather hand-inspected (which is her right)? On video, a cop is seen consulting with her, and he basically told her if she’d shut up and go along with it, it would all be over quickly. (If you haven’t seen it, Google it. Insanity.)

    I don’t expect any airport police to come to anyone’s aid in a disagreement with the TSA.

  • Nobody

    “Take your pants off.”
    “I don’t even know your name.”
    “Bend over!”
    “Ben?! Nice to meet you! Victor Hugo.”
    –Fletch

  • Mariel

    Does anyone know if famous people (artists/actors/musicians) have to go thru these scans/pat downs too? I’ve never heard or read anything about that. Do they have a special treatment? what about politicians?

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    Mariel, there have been many accounts of well-known people also singled out for abuse — er, searches. Penn Jillette wrote about his experience of being groped years ago, even before the current insane procedures. He called a cop on the spot and told him he’d been sexually assaulted. The TSA backed down. Kate Beckinsale was pulled aside, with the guards laughing and chuckling as they wanded her and checked out her ass. Dave Barry also wrote about his treatment, by goons who recognized him, said they were “fans,” then pulled him into a private room for a private grope, and had the nerve to ask for his autograph. Alaska state delegate Sharon Cissna refused to let them humiliate her and pull out her prosthetic breast implant — she’s a cancer survivor — and left the airport, returning home by car and boat afterwards.

    You can easily read about all these incidents on the web. As for other famous people with clout, like Speaker of the House John Boehner, Supreme Court Justices, etc., they don’t have to go through security like we do. They get a pass. This might be why they don’t see it as a big deal.

    And, of course, the really rich just fly by private jet, thus bypassing the whole thing.

  • cjr

    TSA refuses to send people to a gov’t hearing involving non-government witnesses
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/03/16/tsa-republicans-spar-as-agency-skips-scanners-hearing/?mod=google_news_blog

    Isle TSA worker arrested in theft of cash from travelers
    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110316_Isle_TSA_worker_arrested_in_theft_of_cash_from_travelers.html

    Remember, these people are going to keep you safe!

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    cjr,

    Yes, I’ve just been reading about the TSA no-shows at the hearing. The Salt Lake Tribune also has a story on it:

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51443570-76/chaffetz-tsa-agency-hearing.html.csp

  • Thalassa

    No, Ms. Simeone, I am no slave. I speak my opinion, and I am a firm believer in civil rights and equal rights for all.

    If a very rich person is able to afford a private plane, then I’m not overly worried about that person using a weapon on that plane. There’s always the possibility of that person using a private plane to hit a building, of course, but it’s not as likely because it doesn’t strike as much fear into the public.

    You are choosing to submit stories here of individual cases in which certain TSA workers have allegedly committed crimes and abuses. And by doing so, you are painting every single TSA worker with the same very broad brush. I suggest you look at numbers. Of all the people flying through American airports, how many TSA incidents have been reported? Are there isolated incidents? Of course. There are isolated incidents of abuses in day cares, in police work, in elder care. That doesn’t mean we should immediately assume EVERY day care employee, cop or elder care worker is bad. Nor that in every allegation, abuse has actually happened.

    As I said in my first post, I’m sorry Moe felt he was abused, but without more detail, one cannot assume he was actually abused under any definition of actual abuse. There was another article here about a cruise ship in which the “victims” felt they had suffered inhumane cruelty. Surely you don’t think that just because they used that term and felt that way that they were actually subjected to inhumane cruelty?

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    Of all the people flying through American airports, how many TSA incidents have been reported?

    We don’t know, because it’s impossible to get hard numbers. As I’ve said several times before, the only incidents we hear about are, obviously, the ones that get publicity. The ACLU has been collecting stories of abuse. So has EPIC. So have individuals, like Chris, and me, and Sommer Gentry, and Patricia Stokes, and Amy Alkon, and Daniel Rubin. But again, many people don’t report their stories of abuse to any official organization either because they don’t know they can, don’t see the point, don’t want to get put on a watch list, can’t be bothered, just tell family and friends, or for whatever reason. Logic dictates that if a couple of thousand stories of abuse get publicized, there are many thousands more that don’t.

    The numbers are a red herring anyway. Is the point supposed to be — gee, only a hundred people have been abused, so what’s the big deal? Let those hundred here and there put up with assault and abuse, as long as the rest of us get to travel unmolested? What an ethically indefensible point of view.

    Are there isolated incidents? Of course.

    You don’t know that. And if they’re so “isolated,” how in god’s name are we hearing about so many of them?

    Americans have reacted to 9/11 and its aftermath with hysteria and paranoia. No procedure is too base, too degrading, As Long As It Keeps Us Safe From The Terrorists! Because The Terrorists Are Hiding Around Every Corner!

    There was just yet another incident on a plane of passenger hysteria and stupidity because some Jewish guy tried to pray. The passengers — and crew — got their knickers in a twist and the plan was put in lockdown upon landing:
    http://www.salon.com/technology/ask_the_pilot/2011/03/17/overreaction_passenger_vigilantism

    This is not the reaction of a mature, rational people. It’s the reaction of a populace who wants to believe in the fantasy of 100% security. The same people, I might add, who blather on their cellphones while driving, which will get them killed a lot faster than flying in a plane will. But we’re not talking about logic here. We’re talking about unwarranted fear-mongering.

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone
  • cjr

    That doesn’t mean we should immediately assume EVERY day care employee, cop or elder care worker is bad.”

    The irony here, of course, is that acts of terrorism are also very isolated events, yet TSA assumes that every traveler is a potential terrorist.

    So, Thalassa, why do you not hold TSA to the same standard that you choose to hold the rest of us?

  • Thalassa

    CJR, I’m not sure what standard you believe I’m holding you to. I’d like to believe that every person out there has common sense and won’t overreact to things, but I know for a fact that isn’t true.

    Earlier today I was at a mall. A child’s balloon popped in the food court, and several women literally screamed and began diving for the floor. Is that rational behavior? Of course not. But it happened. People overreact, and I don’t know what to do about that. Scold them? Have nervous people wear earplugs?

    And Ms. Simeone, I don’t know anyone who is quite as ignorant as you seem to think the American people as a whole are. You also seem to be contradictory when you say people believe in a fantasy of 100% security, but then say that the ignorant crew and passengers got upset when “a Jewish guy” prayed on a plane. It was a group of men, btw, and even I, who have taken a number of classes in world religions, had no knowledge of that particular sort of prayer where the people praying wrap themselves in leather bindings and stand to pray out loud. I’m not sure how you expect the average American to know that was harmless.

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    “Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”
    — Frederick Douglass, 1857

  • Dgoggin

    I recently returned from a trip to the Hawaiian Islands on Hawaiian Air. Coming home, I flew from Kona to the Honolulu airport to transfer to a flight to San Diego, Calif.  I am 73 years old and in a wheelchair, but the TSA people pulled me aside for one of those extreme searches.  I was very embarrassed but endured it all without complaining.  During this, they were taking my carry-on back and forth to keep examining it.  Later I discovered that they had lost one of my medicines that was in a prescription box.  Only the box was there. 
    This is one of the most humliating experiences I have been through, and it makes me want to never fly again.  Diana

  • Brothercanyouspareahdime

    America is NT a democracy; it is a Constitutional Republic.  Think back to the Pledge of Allegience,  “And to the Republic for which it stands…”.  Or perhaps I should say, America WAS a Constitutional Republic, it is being rapidly directed into a fascist police state.

  • http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2010/11/five-words.html Lisa Simeone

    MarkiA, they never answer this question.  Just like they never answer what happens if somebody detonates a bomb in the arrivals or departures concourse, à la Moscow’s Domodedovo, or in an airport cafe, or in the parking garage, or in the sitting-duck security line.  We’ve asked umpteen times, and they never answer.  It’s like they stick their fingers in their ears and go “Lalalalalalalalalalalal!”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PGTC2ABTKY7HNEQNKAZCE6DTYI Chubit

    Why would you think that we are living in a republic not a democracy country?