Did yet another fake review slip past TripAdvisor?

showerSara Jensen had such an awful stay at the Hotel Toshi in New York that she decided to write about it on TripAdvisor. Little did she know that a hotel representative pretending to be a satisfied guest would promptly post a positive review to counter her comments. Or that TripAdvisor would allow it.

This is just the latest in a series of developments that have called into question the reliability of user-generated reviews on TripAdvisor. (Since my latest post about the company, it has stopped responding to my requests for comments. I have, however, asked for its side of the story.)

Here’s an excerpt of the letter Jensen wrote to the hotel after her stay. The couple and their child had to be moved to another room because of unsafe conditions. This is what awaited them in the second room:

I walked into the kitchen and found the spring-loaded mousetrap in the doorway to the bedroom.

The couch was not a nice leathery shiny couch as depicted in the flickr photos sent to us by the office, it was a dirty misshapen futon type thing, kinda different!

We proceeded to unpack and give our son a bath, it was late and we were very tired. Mid-bath, we noticed water dripping from the bathroom ceiling and fragments of the sheetrock began falling on our heads, stripes of wall were hanging down. Once more we called the office, to the usual routine of whoever answered the phone incessantly interrupting and talking over us instead of letting us explain the situation. Our son was asleep and they again suggested that we move to another unit, as if we were gypsies. We had just unpacked, again!

The super came down to the apartment, ripped a chunk of the ceiling off and left. We waited around for some time as the leak slowed and eventually stopped, not knowing if the super would return. Eventually we had to call the office to discover that he would not.

OK, so the place was a little run down. So the Jensens were unhappy with the Hotel Toshi.

It’s safe to say the hotel was unhappy with the Jensens, too. Here’s what a hotel representative had to say when I inquired about their visit:

Sara Jensen and her husband were a real disaster for us. We have thousands of bookings each year at Hotel Toshi and having one toxic customer can be ruinous for a small business. Our entire staff were traumatized by the whole experience and absolutely nothing we did would appease them.

Indeed. At checkout, she voiced her dissatisfaction with their accommodations.

Hotel Toshi’s response was initially “We can’t give you back your payment, that would be unfair to us.”

Then, as we were leaving the premises, they agreed to give us back half of our payment but we would have to agree to not say anything publicly about our stay as that would “not be a settlement” and they would only pay it by PayPal (which would allow them to cancel the payment if we did).

Considering that our refund was solely for our incredible discomfort and aggravation, and we would be horrible people if we let Hotel Toshi rip off another traveler like they did us, we told them no dice and refused the refund.

A half an hour later, the manager called us frantically trying to “resolve the situation,” asking us to “just forget about the whole thing.” I got the impression that this kind of thing happens to them a lot. We refused the refund on the grounds that buying our silence about their shady operation would be doing a disservice to any other travelers who would make the same mistake in booking there.

After that, the Jensens posted a lengthy review of the Hotel Toshi on TripAdvisor under the headline “This was the worst lodging experience of our lives.”

At this stage, we feel that the misrepresentation of the rooms borders on false advertising and we feel that our full payment that was promptly delivered was unwarranted. We have not received what we paid for and would seriously be in Hotel Toshi’s best interest that some portion of our fee be refunded.

Not long after that, another review on the Toshi by a user named “Chanuts” popped up just above hers, headlined, “Had a great time! Would stay again.” It raved:

Overall, I would stay again – definitely get a good bang for your buck. I think the apartment was in good condition given that a lot of buildings are pre-war buildings. I think it would be ideal for groups of friends or couples. Maybe not for you if you’re looking for a 5 star romantic getaway or if you have small children.

Ouch! That looked like a direct response to Jensen’s post.

Jensen decided to do a little investigative work, to find out where “Chanuts” was coming from. She found a Flickr user by the same name with promotional photos of the Hotel Toshi — seven months before the date of her stay. Chanuts also had posted a video (I can’t link to them because of its adult content) that strongly suggests she’s affiliated with the hotel.

“I thought that you’d at least get a laugh at how horrible they are at covering their tracks,” she told me.

Well, it’s funny in kind of a sad way. If it’s true.

I’m not entirely convinced that Chanuts is a hotel insider. Yes, the review looked a lot like a rebuttal. But having attractive photos of a hotel in your Flickr account doesn’t necessarily mean you’re employed by the property.

The hotel denies it has an employee that goes by the name “Chanuts.”

But I do agree with Jensen about one thing: This looks bad. Not just for the Toshi Hotel, but also for TripAdvisor.

TripAdvisor’s infamous fraud-detection algorithm should have at least flagged Chanuts’ review before it was posted.

(Photo: stevendepolo/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • Michelle

    Unfortunately it does happen.
    I once worked for a hotel who had a few negative reviews posted about them in a row (they weren’t overly bad but as it was a new and up coming hotel, no one wanted negative press). A few days later I would find a string of positive reviews out of no where.
    It was so obvious they were fake – the account was made on the same day the review was posted – and it was too detailed, it sounded like a commercial/campaign listing things about the hotel that only people working there would know about. I spoke with manager to say that I thought someone was posting fake reviews on our tripadvisor site and that it didn’t look good. My manager was caught off guard on how I would know such a thing, and, as I come to find out, sure enough they had one of their relatives make fake accounts and post the “good” reviews! Of course tripadvisor caught onto it and removed them – if it was obvious to me it must have been so blatantly obvious to them.
    A few weeks later I found a couple other fake ones on the site. I knew the hotel had people post them that hadn’t been actual guests, but I don’t think tripadvisor ever removed them. Maybe after I had told the manager how I knew they were fake, they took those things in to account and made sure not to make the same mistake twice. It’s quite easy to be convincing and manipulate the system if you try hard enough.
    I can understand why some of the hotels which are notorious for their substandard service and conditions would want to post these fake reviews – they want good publicity. It’s wrong – but they’ll do it anyway and some of them will get away with it. It’s just sad that these hotels want to resort to that method instead of fixing the actual problems to prevent these things from happening again. Until they fix those problems, they’ll continue to get bad reviews – and not only on tripadvisor.
    I use tripadvisor to get an overall feeling about a hotel – if the majority of the reviews are negative, I’ll do some researching and find out why and maybe try to avoid that hotel. But I take each review with a grain a salt. Most people tend to over exaggerate their experience if it was the slightest bit disappointing or didn’t meet their expectations. It doesn’t always mean it’s a bad hotel, maybe it just wasn’t the hotel for them. Everyone is titled to their own opinion!

  • Steve

    i use tripadvisor to post and most importantly to find nice places. If they are not credible, then who should i use??

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    I use TripAdvisor to research hotels. I take each review with a grain of salt.

    I think that it is easy to spot the fake reviews.

    There always going to be fake reviews no matter what safe guards are in place. I believe in “buyer be aware”.

  • Paulette Baker

    So some false positive reviews get through, big deal. False negatives get posted too. A guy I work with unfairly bashed a hotel because something completely outside the hotel’s control pissed him off and he wanted to “make someone pay.” Regarding the apparent direct rebuttal to Jensen’s posting, I’ve written one or two rebuttals myself when I knew a property well and felt it was being misrepresented. Anyone with an ounce of brain matter knows to take all user-generated reviews with a grain of salt. You throw out those that are over the top and under the floorboards and look for the median.

  • Phil

    I use and post to TripAdvisor most often. When I read reviews I then try and check other websites to see if the same hotel has been posted by other guests. Sometimes this works and at other times it doesn’t, as one poster above points out, take the posts with a grain of sand, I also check out how many posts have been posted by each poster.

  • MidMom8949

    We don’t allow hotel reviews on our corporate intranet for just this reason: they are essentially worthless. (Bear in mind almost all our hotels are 4-star hotels.) If one person gets upset about anything, warranted or not, he/she will post something horrible. Then a someone who loves the hotel will post something positive and accuse the first poster of lying. Then someone will go the Travel Office and complain: How are they supposed to compare hotels when the reviews range from terrible to fabulous?

    Use the word of someone you trust.

  • Jasper

    Oh Chris, get of TripAdvisor’s back. The point is not that every single post is completely fair. The point is that everybody can post, and that in the end the volume of true posts will dilute the false ones to a negligible level. The internet is not print. It has minimal fact-checkers, and can not be perfect. But, it’s open to everybody, unlike print. And let’s not pretend that print is so objective.

  • Mike

    Wow, I read the review and am horrified that any property would not only hire people like that, but have accomodations in such disrepair. Sara even had photos to back up her comments on the site and offered to prove via phone records that she was indeed telling the truth.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the poster who let the review immediately after Sara was working on behalf of the hotel, wether directly or indirectly. The post of the good review made to much mention of the area attractions, price, and amenities for my liking, and as was pointed out, the user had a past account with photos.

    The newest posting about location at least sounds more honest, though I would wonder how everything was remedied so quickly when the Jensen’s had such a tough time even getting anyone to help them out with anything.

    I wonder if something like this could even be disputed on a credit card statement. The pictures are clearly there for proof and I would think that some type of refund would be in order.

  • Ames

    I was curious about the hotel and looked at their website. 48 apartments scattered in 18 buildings in Manahttan and Williamsburg. It must be a nighttmare to keep track of the units and their conditions. The website also indicates that the rooms are generally one night at a time so for a stay of a week, one might move every night, although there may be ways to make better arrangements than that. Interesting concept, but certainly open to many pitfalls as the letter writer has experienced. Prices as low as $100 a night in Manahattan could lead one to an interesting adventure.

  • charlie

    Is it just me?
    After reading all the reviews on Tripadvisor’s NYC travel forums about most if not all the apt. vacation rentals in NYC being scams or illegal;
    After hearing the Mayor is really cracking down on these con artists who advertise their places for the ol’ ‘too good to be true’ price and, if the place is really there when the tourists arrive after sending all their money already…if the address exists (and so often it hasn’t) then there are people living in it who know nothing about the ‘vacation rental’ or the vacationers run the risk of being reported and tossed out of the place;
    If the recent story of the 600 residents and tourists who were tossed out of the NYC Broadway Hotel because it was short-term renting illegally;
    After seeing the posts on tripadvisor travel forums complaining about the toshi and seeing responses that said things like ‘too bad you didn’t ask about it here first. we would have told you it was illegal and a scam’;
    After even a brief “lurk” on the NYC travel forum without posting…after seeing the warnings against the toshi by extemely knowledgable people;
    After seeing the link on a TA NYC travel forum post to the Dept. of Buildings Violations for construction with no permits of a 2 story building erected at the address of the building Ms. Jensen rented in ;
    After seeing that horrible toshi film site…
    After all this easy, at-ones-fingertips stuff on TA or just googling…why be so greedy you’re willing to take the risk?
    And, where it’s not cheap…hey, no excuses.
    Again, I guess it’s just me.

  • Chris in NC

    Michelle says it best : “Unfortunately it does happen.”

    I still think that Tripadvisor is a valuable tool in trip planning. However, it naive and a mistake to use Tripadvisor as the ONLY trip planning tool. After all, different people have different expectations.

    Throw out the extremes (the good and the bad) and if there are enough posts, you can generally get an accurate impression of the venue.

    Actually, the problems with Tripadvisor aren’t limited to Tripadvisor. Anyone want to see a similar (but way more absurd situation) look up Yelp and the Lehigh Pub (after a news report was published about an incident there, Yelp was flooded with hundreds of “fake” reviews (some good, mostly bad). Yelp has removed most of the “fake” reviews, but they keep coming.

    TA seems to be mostly on the mark. I’ve had some misses. A hotel that received good reviews was absolutely a disappointing experience for us. It could have been the fact that there was a convention at the hotel that particular night. Nevermind that there were at least 2 dozen smoking guests gathered at the front of the hotel and there were empty beer bottles lying in the lobby and hallway. At least our room was quiet.

    Last weekend, we stayed at a hotel that I have previously wrote a very positive review about. Needless to say, this time, the experience was really not so good. Perhaps thats why some hotel reviews seem to be schizophrenic. Maybe there really is a stark difference between experiences.

    Chris

  • Bill

    The readers have to become very good at filtering out these fake reviews.

    You’re going to run into it, we know it is there, so buyer beware. I have avoided more than a few properties because of too many conflicting and suspicious reviews. In fact, one of ‘em was in New York and I just went somewhere else,

  • charlie

    PS For those who don’t do research and get themselves in trouble….you do get from my post that I said “travel forums”, right? Not “hotel reviews”. It’s so silly to go just by hotel reviews when there is so very very much more valuable info to be had from the Destination Experts and other travelers on the Travel Forums.

  • LeeAnne

    Something else to bring to the table in this discussion: some hotels DO read their reviews, and actually take action based on them! I stayed at a hotel in Stockholm recently that had received a few negative comments in TA reviews about their unsatisfactory breakfast and unfriendly reception staff. The hotel posted a “management response” apologizing for the less-than-satisfactory issues and promised to make changes. By the time I got there they’d added MANY items to their breakfast bar, which I found to be excellent. And the staff at the front desk couldn’t have been friendlier. I posted a raving review about the hotel, which turned out to be one of the best places I’ve ever stayed.

    Moral: just because a hotel has received some negative reviews doesn’t mean that’s the experience you will have. Some hotels will fix the reported problems.

    Which brings up another thing to pay attention to with respect to TA reviews: HOW management responds to bad reviews. TA does offer the option of a “management response” to reviews, and I look for those. If you find management responses to bad reviews, that’s a good indication that the hotel is playing the game properly – meaning, they are RESPONDING to bad reviews through appropriate channels, rather than posting fake positive reviews to counter then. And HOW they respond is also important. One of the reasons I chose that hotel in Stockholm was specifically because of their response to the bad reviews – they took responsibility for their deficits, and promised to fix the problems. And they did!

    I’ve also seen hotels where there are a plethora of positive reviews, but then one really bad one…and the management response explained the truth behind it. For example, in one case a couple were angry because they tried to cancel their holiday stay on the day of their arrival so they could go stay with friends instead, and the Inn (which was on a small island and had no way of filling that room) said no dice…so the couple stayed there, but unfairly trashed the place in their review. This same Inn had many positive reviews, and a couple less-than-positive, to which they’d responded with apologies and promises to resolve the problems. Overall, what I saw was a hotel that takes its TA reviews seriously, responds appropriately, but doesn’t let unreasonable clients unfairly trash them. I stayed there, and loved it.

    On the other side, I’ve seen hotels that post a management response to every single bad review basically calling the reviewers liars. Yeah…not a good sign. I will avoid those hotels at all costs.

  • http://www.tripadvisor.com April Robb

    Thanks to both Sara Jensen and Chris Elliott for bringing this particular review to our attention. We’ve determined that this is not an authentic review, and have since removed it from our site.

    We have three primary methods to insure review integrity: a dedicated team of quality assurance specialists; proprietary automated tools; and our large and passionate community to help screen content and report suspicious activity. This is a great example of a member of the TripAdvisor community helping to identify a suspicious review, and helping to keep TripAdvisor unbiased for the millions of travelers who visit us each month to plan their trips.

    April Robb
    TripAdvisor

  • Marty

    To add to this confusion, there are now companies (albeit small, I most certainly hope) who write reviews for pay. They are professional contributors to rating services (Trip Advisor?) and forums.
    How do I know this? In apologizing for keeping us waiting, my accountant told us that the new client that took up so much time just started a business writing reviews for restaurants, hotels, etc., for a fee, and, he said, “they are going to make a lot of money.” If there is one company doing this, you can expect that there are more. Further, if you have a business and are approached by such people, and tell them you do not want their services, there is the unspoken threat that they might submit a bad review.
    Sadly, they are spoiling their own nest. We may never be able to trust a review again, but neither can they.
    There is definitely something to be said for professional reviewers, like Michelin Guide or a good, by-lined restaurant reviewer. Not everything, but something.

  • sara jensen

    Its hard to dispute your credit card statement when Hotel Toshi demands cash in full upon arrival. They state that it is to make the stay less expensive but the more we thought about it, the more we thought maybe they were trying to avoid taxes.

    I thought it was deeply weird that they wanted cash but I had already made the reservation and they have an extreme cancellation policy.

    There are other bad reviews of Hotel Toshi on http://www.airbnb.com so I know that we are not alone.

    I find it sort of hilarious that the Hotel’s response was to call us toxic customers! I think that the toilet water coming from the ceiling was the toxic part.

  • LeeAnne

    Kudos to Trip Advisor! In spite of the repeated media attention given to the “fake review” issue, I find their site to be the most reliable for travel-related reviews. It’s not perfect, but then perfection is impossible when you are dealing with user generated content. They are making the effort…which is more than can be said about many other travel review sites out there.

  • Ronda

    personally I dont even bother with trip advisor, As long as it has a bed and no bugs or mould I dont care, I only use a hotel to sleep in so I dont care about the issues with it. However I know that Im not the majority, Most poeple care alot more about the condition of they’re hotel, especially when they’re travelling with family, or doing business. Family, because usually if the condition of the hotel is bad, its also unsafe, and business, because you never know when your boss, or client, or co worker will show up at your hotel to meet for lunch, meeting, etc.
    I think those who use trip advisor need to assume that the really bad reviews and the really good reviews 80% of them are fake (not to say this one is, My friend stayed at Toshi hotel and said much the same things about the condition, she actually moved hotels half way through the vacation.) But When I do use review sites, I only read the ones that are in the middle.

  • Sarah

    Christopher,

    We appreciate your efforts to provide both sides of this review. As an employee of hotel toshi I am not aware of any employee by the name Chantus or anything similar. Indeed, we have an international clientele and receive raving feedback daily, so from our perspective it is not uncommon that someone posted a wonderful review following Ms. Jensen’s. In fact, please see our most recent review on Trip Advisor from Javier– awesome dude, our pleasure to meet him last night!

    At hotel toshi we provide a great product for an excellent price and our staff is always eager and proactive in assisting our diverse clients and accommodating all requests and needs.

    The guest in discussion here arrived in a frantic rage and proceeded to rain hysteria during her visit. Her life with her husband and small baby must be very challenging and for this I am sorry on a personal level, but this should by no means be a reflection of either the quality of service or product that hotel toshi has to offer. Ms. Jensen was particularly fond of highlighting for hotel toshi staff her propensity for non-traditional lodging, particularly in her bombardments of emails, phone calls, and in-person rants, to which we listened and responded to patiently. She was a nightmare guest and I cannot fathom how we could possibly have done anything more to please her.

    hotel toshi now has 84 different apartments in Manhattan and Brooklyn, with clients coming from just as many if not more countries all over the world. We expect to have guests with diverse and broad expectations and backgrounds. Ms Jensen is an atypical client and person who has gone out of her way to maliciously attack the reputation of our company for no other reason than that she is a fundamentally, inherently and chronically, dissatisfied person. She and her husband were nasty in the face of our hospitality. Not only was I personally offended by their attitude and behavior towards myself and my coworkers–honorable, hardworking and genuinely considerate and caring individuals–but I am saddened that she persists in spewing her malice.

    At hotel toshi we would never allow one bad experience with a customer to tarnish our attitude towards our guests and we are pleased that our repeat and new clients are equally capable of rising above one bad review.

  • Carrie Charney

    It’s too bad there were no photos to document the toxic conditions of the room. As we’ve seen in some of Chris’s previous columns, they go a long way in backing up a complaint.

  • Bella

    I think she did take photos. And Hotel Toshi’s misdirected and uncalled for attack on Sara’s character and personal life is the final nail in the Hotel Toshi coffin. This place needs to be investigated by the Feds.

  • Maria

    April, thank you for taking down the fake review. It restores our confidence in Trip Advisor.

    Carrie, they do have photographs of the nasty room – check out their tripadvisor review. The place was basically uninhabitable.

    Sarah from Hotel Toshi? You’re laughable. The photos that are provided on tripadvisor say everything. How can you deny the absolutely horrible conditions of the lodging you offered her? Instead of providing factual responses, you attack her personally. That makes it very clear to anyone that you are the one who can’t be trusted, not your hotel guest.

  • LeeAnne

    @Sarah from Hotel Toshi – Just FYI, what you have just done is the worst possible thing you could have done: trashed your customer as a *person*. Not just questioning her behavior, or disputing her assertions about your hotel, but actual personal insults. Comments such as “Her life with her husband and small baby must be very challenging and for this I am sorry on a personal level,” and “she is a fundamentally, inherently and chronically, dissatisfied person” are unprofessional and exceedingly tacky, at best.

    Regardless of whatever actually transpired at your hotel, she was your customer, and this was a business relationship. Insulting her personality and character is just the height of unprofessionalism.

    Even if I didn’t believe anything that Ms. Jensen said about your hotel, after your unethical and unprincipled character assassination of your former customer, I wouldn’t stay in your hotel if you paid me.

    You also seem to have forgotten that Ms Jensen posted actual photos of some of the horrific conditions in your lodging. So your attack on her character seems even more disingenuous given the fact that there is proof that her review, at least the part about the conditions of the room, was accurate!

    A wiser choice would have been to come on here and acknowledge that things did not go as well as you would have liked for this customer, and assure everyone that the situation is being carefully reviewed and that any necessary changes, to either your accommodations or your service, will be made. Even if you didn’t want to accept responsibility for all that went wrong, and even disputed some of her specific accusations, you would at least have come across as a professional business person, rather than a spiteful witch.

    Rule number 1 in business: never trash your customers. We’re the ones that KEEP you in business. Lose us and you have no business.

    Here’s at least one potential customer you have permanently lost.

  • LeeAnne

    Can’t help but laugh that apparently Bella and Maria were posting pretty much the exact same thing as I was, at the same time. Good to see it wasn’t just me. I think that pretty much says it all. Hotel Toshi has served to effectively throw gasoline on what would probably have been a minor story about one bad hotel stay, and one fake review. Instead, they’ve publicly exposed themselves as one of the most unprofessional lodging businesses many of us have ever encountered…and given all business owners an ojbect lesson in what NOT to do.

    I will be sharing the link to this article to many of my friends…including a few in the media. I suspect it will get LOTS more attention now!

    Oh, and one more interesting twist: “Chanut’s” flickr account has mysteriously dropped all of the promotional photos of Hotel Toshi! Hmmm…how coincidental is that? What with Trip Advisor removing that review and stating that they’ve determined that it was fake, the photos suddenly disappearing from the flickr account, and now this preposterous, not to mention slanderous, post from the hotel, methinks the true story is only too obvious.

  • Jennifer

    This is hysterical. I wasn’t impressed with the Jensens’ review of Hotel Toshi on Trip Advisor (too wordy, not specific enough, exaggerating minor isues) but the attitude of the Hotel Toshi employee, Sarah, has made me sure I will never stay there and I will warn everyone I know about Hotel Toshi. I have never heard any business owner or representative refer to any customer in a public forum like this one as a nightmare guest, comment on the customer’s personal life, etc.

    Sarah, everything on the internet lives forever. Every time someone searches for Hotel Toshi, they’ll see this page and your response. Do you honestly believe you did yourself a favor by posting a response? Good luck with that. And perhaps spend a little less time on the internet and more time fixing the plumbing problems in your units.

  • Nancy

    Nancy Drew here!

    I would be willing to bet that “Chanuts” is this person:
    http://www.facebook.com/chachang
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/chachang
    http://twitter.com/cha_chang

    Her Twitter feed publicly reports:
    “personally visited 15 @hoteltoshi apartments today for quality control. pretty nice apartments!
    6:35 PM Nov 17th from Seesmic”

  • Nancy

    Nancy Drew Back With More!

    This website:

    http://www.askanewyorker.com/phorum/read.php?34,80296

    indicates that someone named “Cha Chang” was a manager at Hotel Toshi at least as recently as April of this year. So if “Sarah” from Hotel Toshi really doesn’t know anyone with a name similar to “chanuts”- or who looks like the woman in Chanuts’ Flickr stream- she must be really new to the company and VERY uninformed.

  • LeeAnne

    @Nancy – that is HILARIOUS! And there’s this Twitter entry on there as well:

    “get them before prices go up again – toshi halloween tickets oct 31, 2009 http://www.bit.ly/3wYkTY

    Yeah, okay, and Sarah from Hotel Toshi REALLY thinks anyone here is going to believe that “Chanuts” is not a friend of the hotel? BAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Oh, and Chanuts may think she hid her tracks by deleting the Hotel Toshi photos from her Flickr account…but she completely forgot to delete “toshiparty” from her contacts list…and it’s her ONLY contact! TOO funny!

    Hotel Toshi could easily have survived the bad review. Especially if they’d done the right thing and posted a professional “management response” as I suggested above. But this whole keystone-cops comedy of inept deception has surely cost them a bundle. And as Jennifer hilariously points out, it will be here on Christopher’s site for eternity. I can’t stop laughing!

  • Encyclopedia Brown

    Following up on my colleague’s reports, look, it’s the “Cha Chang” aka Chanuts woman from the above links:

    http://www.brazencareerist.com/profile/cha-chang/resume

    Look at her job title: President, Hotel Toshi. February 2008 to Present.

    The woman in the photograph on that page is the same woman self-identified in the Chanuts Flickr account. Sarah from Hotel Toshi has just bald-faced lied, in public, that this person was not affiliated with their company. Nice.

  • David Z

    If they are not credible, then who should i use??

    Your own gut feel. :)

  • Mike

    Sara, Since they asked for cash and cash only, I suspect that you are correct in your assumption that they are avoiding something. A credit card would add maybe 2% to 3% to a bill, so if the room really was $100 a night, who would complain about a $103 charge instead, especially if the rooms were so much less than normal hotels in the area.

    Sarah, as everyone else just said, you just took something that could have been fixed and remedied and made it a completel blunder. Why on earth would you attack a customer who actually has PHOTOS of the condition of your properties? not very bright and I will make sure I avoid the place at all costs.

    Jennifer, I actually appreciated the review. It cited specific addresses or unit numbers and gave specific examples of how the service was a let down and how management was inept. There wasn’t any generalization at all, which is something that I really appreciate. The reviews that I dislike are ones taht offer generalizations and not specifics. At least when the poster puts in specifics, you can tell if they are just whiners or honest to goodness people who got screwed.

  • Joe Farrell

    I think perhaps we need to know what the OP paid for her stay. . . that will tell us alot.

    If you are going to Rome, and you see that all the 3 star and above hotels are in excess of 150 Euros a night and you find a 4 star hotel for 60 Euros a night – should that not tell you everything you need to know about this 4 star hotel? Unless its a fat finger rate, a mistake or simply a sale at a well known hotel selling the room next to the elevator and ice machine across from the clock they chimes every 30 minutes 24/7?

    They CHOSE this place based on SOME criteria – if it was because it was the cheapest place to stay by far – well – you get what you pay for. and if the room was truly a total dump, repacking and waking your child to move to a new place would NOT be a problem. Thats whining, not effective complaining.

  • KathyJ

    Found another relevant tweet from cha_chang’s Twitter page. Note this is three days after Sara Jensen’s Trip Advisor review.

    “2BR garden carriage house now available 12/5 – 12/9 for $175/night all inclusive (via @hoteltoshi)
    “8:41 AM Dec 5th from Seesmic”

  • LeeAnne

    I would almost feel sorry for Hotel Toshi – if it wasn’t for the fact that they are deceitful liars who publicly trash their own customers! And I can’t feel sorry for liars.

    I must commend my peers in this forum for their skillful sleuthing. You have helped to expose this company for what it is.

    Hotel Toshi may not realize how many travelers read this blog. But they will.

    @Joe – while I understand your point about “you get what you pay for,” the fact is that the MINIMUM any hotel should offer its customers is a clean room that is not falling apart. Did you see those photos? That room wasn’t fit for human habitation…and it shouldn’t have been rented out to them at ANY cost.

    And in line with your “you get what you pay for” comment…yes, a customer SHOULD get what they pay for. If a hotel touts itself as 3-star, it should offer a 3-star accommodation, regardless of the price paid. There are many reasons for a hotel to sell rooms at lower-than-market rate…but to advertise that you are selling something that you are not is simply false advertising. Clearly this room wasn’t up to ANY livable standards…so in the end, what they paid for it really doesn’t matter.

  • Brian

    Looks like the “Fake” review has been removed. I don’t see the review mentioned in the article on Trip advisor any more.

  • LeeAnne

    @Brian – look at the comment above from April Robb. She is a representative from Trip Advisor, and she stated that they determined that the review was fake, and removed it.

  • Joe Farrell

    I saw the photos – yeah – ugly. Given the cash they take – and the suspicious reviews online – well – do they even have the right to rent the apartments?

    I’m a suspicious guy but you could easily take furnished apartments you are a management company for, sell them at a premium rate by the night instead of as monthly rental, tell the owner its not rented yet- roll them over month by month with new units, and pocket the money- take the cash and no one ever knows any different. I mean, the units are all over the place.

    and hey. Sara Jensen, you lived in NYC and you come back for a visit and you stay in Brooklyn? What are you thinking!!!??? ;-)

  • Topher

    Wow. The staff at Hotel Toshi should be ashamed of themselves. I feel like there’s so much more that I could say about the issue, but if I did I doubt my comments would make it past moderation.

  • Bella

    Wow. So guess what guys? I think Hotel Toshi is up to their old tricks. That took…what…a whole two days?

    Those new reviews look highly suspect. And they created with accounts all during the past day or two. Hmmmm. Maybe they found friends to cover their tracks this time.

    http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g60827-d1594711-r51039496-Hotel_Toshi-Brooklyn_New_York.html#REVIEWS

  • mmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Here is the problem with the articles that you write and back up the guests on, there is not another side to them, they are very one sided. I am the GM of a hotel that you have blasted for over a year for an article that was blown out of proportion and the guest was given back their funds. I think that is very unfair and I believe that you should interview the folks that are taking the time to “tell” you their side of the story a little more in depth. There is no reason in the world when we have done a great turn around and put a lot of money into our property, especially in this economy, that you should still be putting us on blast infront of the country when we are nothing at all like we are being portrayed. We have always taken pride in what we do and feel that we run a good business. If there are too many slow news days maybe there is something else you can write about.

  • JC

    Original Post:
    [The hotel] would only pay it by PayPal (which would allow them to cancel the payment if we did).”

    But if the customer withdrew the money to her bank account, can PayPal still cancel the payment? I don’t get this.

    Somebody knowledgeable about PayPal, pls explain.

    Since there’s no automatic email-notification of replies here on elliot, pls send me a message here: http://sn.im/txudj

  • G. Arnold

    Paypal can put a negative balance on your account. So next time you go to buy on ebay you’ll find that you have to pay off the negative balance before you can buy that lamp.

    Actually it’s no secret that Cha is Robert “Toshi” Chang’s girlfriend. She helps run all of his shady business.

    Yes I said Shady!
    1. Apartment Hotels are illegal in NYC! Period!
    Apartments cannot be rented out for less than 30 days! This guy is running a cash business (Paypal doesn’t report to IRS). He’s for sure not paying hotel taxes.

    2. Toshi is a party promoter here in NYC who has this sidline business of throwing sex parties where underage girls staff the bar in body paint. In this case the truth is stanger than fiction!

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/party-planners/color-parties-inc/color-parties-inc-color-toshi-bd7cc.htm

    3. Robert Toshi Chan has been arrested for welfare fraud.
    Robert Chan, a former bond-trader who gave up a lucrative job to pursue acting? Though he owned his apartment building in Brooklyn and collected more than $11,000 a month in rent, he also helped himself to $11,617 worth of welfare and food stamps in 2002.
    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/protecting-welfare/78550/

    So do you feel safe now?

  • http://travelswithnathan.com Nathan

    I responded to this article a day or two ago. I just posted a review on Trip Advisor that was rejected. Here’s what I wrote and their response. Food for thought.

    Fake Reviews on Trip Advisor – In My Opinion

    The reviews on Trip Advisor rate the Hotel Malarrimo in Guerrero Negro as being 4.5 out of 5 stars. This is utter [--]. When we got to the hotel (today – Jan 20, 2010), we booked a room based on that info. What a mistake. The first room stank of cigarette smoke and when we asked for a second room the situation wasn’t any better. In fact, they used disinfectant sin the air to disguise the smell, but it didn’t work. Also, the attached restaurant, despite the reviews, was mediocre and expensive. I wouldn’t eat there again, either

    In addition, the hotel is old, the paint on the doors is peeling and the rooms are small. The price was a hefty $500 pesos with $100 pesos more for a deposit on the remote. My rating? 1 out of 5. I would never stay here again. Also, if you need Internet or WIFI, the connection is really slow and repeatedly booted me off.

    I take major issue with those reviews on Trip Advisor. In my opinion, many of them, if not all are fake. I’ve seen this on other sites and I know Trip Advisor has had this problem in the past. From now on, I’ll use this site for info about locations, but I’ll never trust what I read until I check the place out for myself.

    Their response:

    Dear Reviewer,

    Thank you for writing a review on TripAdvisor.

    We take accusations of review fraud very seriously, and we dedicate significant time and resources ensuring that the content on TripAdvisor reflects the real experiences of real travelers. We’re constantly refining our automatic fraud filters and editorial training based on feedback like yours, so we very much appreciate hearing from you.

    We will review the property in question and make any appropriate changes to the site.

    As stated in our guidelines, we will not post comments about other reviews, reviewers or management responses. While we’re unable to post this review, we hope you will consider resubmitting a review that meets these guidelines. Your original text is included below for your convenience.

    Best regards,

    TripAdvisor Support Team

    And my final reply to them:

    Thank you for confirming how I feel about your site. Essentially you’re engaging in censorship. You let those post fake reviews get away with it, yet those of us who have a legitimate claim you conveniently ignore.

    Food for thought

  • http://blog.brooklynposh.com roni

    @ jc if you withdrawal the money from paypal and someone cancels payment, you owe paypal money. they will send you to collections.

    -in dispute with paypal now.

  • david stone

    toshi aka robert chan is a landlord in williamsburg, brooklyn that was collecting welfare checks by scamming the government. he owns two buildings and runs hotel toshi and pays illegal immigrants $5 hr to clean up the illegal hotel rooms he operates.

    see the article in the link below.

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/protecting-welfare/78550/

    i stayed in his slum he calls hotels earlier this month and he and his teenage employees made us wait hours to check in while suggesting that we move to another location because the room we booked was not available. we waited another hour for the car service he arranged and the car took us to the wrong location.

    do not believe toshi also known as robert chan and his company. no wonder new york city is cracking down on him and his scamming business with a new law shutting down illegal hotels/hostels.

    he MUST be SHUT DOWN!

  • Eddie Lee

    Chanuts is Toshi Chan’s girlfriend, Cha Chang. She lives with Toshi and helps him run his illegal operation.

  • C Bozner

    David Stone –

    I have seen your above Oct 28, 2010 anti-Toshi posting on numerous sites, word-for-word the same (with the same date), but with different names for the ‘author’. This includes postings that are actually attributed to ‘toshi robert chan’. Now who is being shady?

    FYI – NYC is not cracking down on Robert Chan – it is cracking down on all hotels of this nature. Your attempt to make it seem personal is most inaccurate, and again shady.

    Another FYI – I am not an employee or even a friend of Toshi. I simply was researching info on him and his hotels. However, I could not resist sending this comment in regarding your posting.

  • colorado wanderer

    Who’s really advising your trip? These days it could be a corporate shill receiving perks and free upgrades for what they post in the forums on Tripadvisor. This “stealth marketing” is apparent to even some new posters but those who read for years know who really is behind these posts and recommendations. Speaking up earned my account being disabled after almost 7 years of real, unbiased reviews from an honest traveler.

    For those who need someone to hold his/her hand about any vacation decision, these forums are ripe to take advantage of naive vacationers who will spend thousands because someone on Tripadvisor told them to.