Can this trip be saved? “This was the worst vacation any of us have ever taken”

Whenever I get complaint like Ashish Kapila’s, my first reaction is, “Oh no, not another laundry list.”

Companies almost never respond to laundry lists, because they look like pointless rants. (I always advise picking the most egregious offense, and focusing on it.)

But then I read Kapla’s litany of complaints against Carnival. And I understood why she couldn’t decide which part of her cruise was the worst. The whole thing was bad.

“This was the worst vacation any of us have ever taken,” she told me. “I have been on several cruises on Carnival and other lines, as have the others in our party, and none of us have ever seen something like this.”

What was so bad about it?

Kapila was on the Carnival Destiny Western Caribbean sailing on May 26. She and a friend were staying in room 6332, a balcony cabin on the ship’s upper deck.

Our stateroom was located above one of the nightclubs, which on the first night, played music so loud that we might as well have been trying to sleep in the club.

It was so loud in our room that everything from wall panels to furniture and lights shook and vibrated from the bass until 1 a.m.

Worse, she later found out that the club was practically empty that night. So why blast the music?

Second issue: Several other passengers in nearby staterooms.

They were extremely rude and disrespectful to everyone in our wing of the ship, and even began to make threats to myself and members of our party.

There was yelling, screaming, hollering and doors slammed repeatedly all night until 5 to 6 a.m. every morning.

One night, there was also a confrontation in the middle of the night outside our door because of a drug deal that had gone bad, with vulgar language and people arguing over money not paid to them for marijuana.

OK, I was shaking my head until I read the drug deal comment.

Drug dealing on ships? Seriously?

It got worse. After the disruptive, drug-dealing guest found out Kapila complained about his behavior, he retaliated, she says. He began harassing guests in the other staterooms by “banging on our doors and screaming all hours of the night with the intention of keeping everyone awake and making threats through the door,” she says.

Kapila lodged multiple complaints and asked to be moved, but was told there was no available room.

This cruise was an awful experience. The fact that there was no alternate accommodations that could be provided to us, with the exception of us getting off the ship, was absurd.

After the cruise, she contacted Carnival in writing. It sent her a form apology and refunded two days of her cruise and gave her a 15 percent discount off a future cruise.

It’s not enough for her.

Carnival, like other cruise lines, does an excellent job keeping alcohol brought from the outside on its ships. BYOB is strictly verboten, since it cuts into the cruise line’s profits.

I’m surprised they couldn’t keep illicit drugs off the ship, too. (At least, if Kapila’s account is to be believed.)

I think Carnival owes her more than a boilerplate apology and she’s entitled to a detailed explanation of why it allowed a disruptive passenger who was allegedly dealing drugs to board.

But can I help? I don’t know.

I don’t know if I can advocate for a full refund, which is what she wants.

Even if I could, Carnival’s no-nonsense attitude when dealing with customer grievances (and particularly laundry lists) mean it’s unlikely that I’d be able to influence the process in a meaningful way. Also, the refund and discount offer isn’t half-bad.

But I’m not opposed to trying.

(Photo: bosh amite/Flickr)

  • Sadie Cee

    I voted in favour of mediation.  However, my vote relates to the the OP’s complaint regarding the alleged drug dealing and NOT to her complaints regarding noise.

    Many factors when taken together relegate her experience with the noise to a low level of importance for me.  Loud noises 24-hours per day on  cruises geared to pleasure-seekers are not unexpected.  On the other hand, there are specialty cruises for people seeking a more sedate form of entertainment.  The OP should have sought out one of those. 

    Of greater concern to me is the OP’s experience with the disruption outside of her room at night caused by the drug dealers.  It is easy to say that “drugs are everywhere” and that we shouldn’t become too concerned.  Nevertheless, these are illegal activities that have a great potential to erupt in violence.  The OP and all the PAX in that area could have been physically harmed. 

    It doesn’t seem to me that the staff to whom the OP complained identified her as the complainant. That would have been too irresponsible for words!  The perp knew where the confrontation took place and went back and to intimidate the occupants of all the rooms in that area.

    However, the incident should never have happened.  Carnival needs to beef up their security and to do more to protect the safety of its PAX.  Frequent patrols of all areas would be a good starting point. 

    BTW under U.S. law, do captains of ships at sea not have the power to detain or arrest PAX whom they have reasonable and probable grounds to believe have committed crimes on board?

  • Andi330

    Actually, Raven has a point. Speaking as someone who worked on a customer service 800 line for 6 years, starting your complaint with something like “I’m a single mom, I’m on a fixed income, My child/parent/spouse has special needs” actually makes you less likely to get sympathy or help. The reason for this is that we have no way to verify the information and a LOT of people call in and try to lie about their situation to get money back. If you called in and said “Hey, I went over my minutes last month is there anything you can do to help me out?” I was much more likely to try to find a solution for you than for someone who called in and complained that the reason their bill should be fixed because they were a single mom or on a fixed income or whatever. Those things don’t entitle you to special treatment in the eyes of a company. If you can afford to buy their product, you can get treated like everyone else. 

    The only time that might be a factor is if it was something you spoke to the company about ahead of time. For example, you have special needs and book a cruise and at the time of booking you discussed those needs with the company, and they agreed to make specific accommodations and then they failed to follow through with those promises. Then, it would be appropriate to address that issue in a complaint.

  • Rachel Danetz

    Agreed completely.
    (mine was in response to Sweetartcat)

  • Vivi

    Having been on a cruise from h*ll, I sympathize with the OP but there is something not right here on both sides. 

    If the situation was as described by the OP what was ship’s security doing about it?  Did she report the fight or door banging when it was happening or wait?  Moreover, if the situation is as described, what did the other passengers similarly affected by this behavior do?   Did they complain, too?  I’ve cruised over a dozen times and can tell you from experience that ship’s security takes drug use/dealing very seriously, even low-end ships like Carnival.  The mere allegation of drugs being dealt gets the alleged dealer talked to and perhaps even their cabin searched.  (There are stories just in the last year of drug dealers being held on ships and then turned over to authorities at the next port.  The dealers were reported by crew and/or passengers; their cabins were searched and drugs were found.)  As for the threatening behavior and banging on doors until 5-6 a.m., again these things would have been investigated by ship’s security because it would have affected several passengers. 

    As examples:  On one cruise a newlywed couple in their late 60s were fighting (in their cabin) so loudly and often, disrupting passengers on both sides of them, that the ship’s hotel director disembarked them.  On another cruise four young men (mid-20s) were drunk morning to night and disrupting to many others that they were put off the ship. 

    And if she really felt threatened why didn’t she get off the ship?  If a drug dealer was threatening me, I would be out of there.

    So it sounds to me like the only people complaining were the OP and her cabin mate.  Which sort of makes me think her real complaint was having a cabin over the disco–and as a person who has cruised before surely she knows enough to check her cabin location before booking.

    But then Carnival refunded 2 days of the fare and gave her a 15% discount on a future cruise.  Cruise lines are notorious for not giving refunds so they must have felt there was some validity to her complaint but I suspect the refund was because of the noise from the disco. 

    Two days of fare refund and 15% off next cruise is sufficient.  I don’t think mediating would result in any additional refund, nor do I think she should receive further compensation.

  • Lindaj

    And this is why large cruise ships hold no fascination for me!  Give me small and intimate any day.

  • Sershev

    Drugs dealing on cruise ships are common:
    http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/17/are-drugs-on-cruise-ships-on-the-rise/

    It is unfortunate that authorities are very selective to when they bust and also it is unfortunate if you are neighbouring a dealer on the boat. As of this case, I think the cruise line should have called authorities to investigate an issue or maybe they called and law enforsment didn’t have available resources or didn’t care? I don’t think Carnival should honor full refund, I think maybe they could offer free or deeply discounted (not 15, more like 75% off) next cruise.

  • Jebaker

    Chris, I bet 95% of the issues you get would never have happened if people used a travel agent.  I am a veteran frequent flier (30 years plus) who knows the ins and outs and still books non business travel through a travel agent (my company uses a travel agent for business).  I can’t count how many times my agent saved me time and inconvenience.  He always knows my preferences and my quirks (quiet room, suitable hotels).  If you can’t afford a travel agent, you are leaving yourself open to issues.  

    I have limited time off and my travel budget is tight these days.  I want my vacations to be smooth and trouble free – or at least with a recourse if I have problems

    The only issues I have had are when I have had to book thru a convention site – travel planning is for travel professionals!!!

    And I am NOT A TRAVEL AGENT!

  • GDP

    You really do get what you pay for with the “Fun Ships” of Carnival.  If you want a more laid-back cruise, you have to pay more, otherwise, you’re stuck with young honeymooners and college kids on vacation.  If you like the Carnival businesses, try Princess Cruises, or if you’re a Royal Carribean fan, try Celebrity cruises.  You pay a little more, but the cruise passengers are a little better behaved.

  • http://www.AMIEN.org Mark Gottsegen

    No security?  Gimme a break.

  • Anonymous

    I thought the U.S. Coast Guard can seize any vessel on which drugs are being used or transported?

  • GeorgeG

    Really?

  • GeorgeG

    Really?

  • GeorgeG

    I’m pretty sure a travel blog will not be held to New York Times standards when it comes to names…..

  • GeorgeG

    I’m pretty sure a travel blog will not be held to New York Times standards when it comes to names…..

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    I love your sense of humor!

  • Anonymous

    They found the bottle of wine someone in my party packed in their checked luggage! It was bubble wrapped and hidden between their clothes, so I doubt it was a random check!

  • Sasha

    I voted ‘no’ because I just don’t believe her, with the possible exception of the loud nightclub.  But, having been on more than a few cruises, the possibility of a club that loud just does not ring true.

  • Sasha

    I voted ‘no’ because I just don’t believe her, with the possible exception of the loud nightclub.  But, having been on more than a few cruises, the possibility of a club that loud just does not ring true.

  • Sasha

    I voted ‘no’ because I just don’t believe her, with the possible exception of the loud nightclub.  But, having been on more than a few cruises, the possibility of a club that loud just does not ring true.

  • Carver

    Is that a real question?  Do you honestly believe that a mainstream cruiseline is going to allow passengers to be packing?

  • Guest

    To that point regarding the name – are you sure it is a “she”? Ashish is usually a man’s name…

  • Guest

    To that point regarding the name – are you sure it is a “she”? Ashish is usually a man’s name…

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  • Wrona

    Yes, all bags, both carry-on and checked, are x-rayed going onto the ship, also at all port stops as well. 

  • MikeZ

    “I view “conditions were so bad that I want my money back” the same as if you’re in a restaurant and get a bad meal.  If you ate it, it wasn’t that bad and you should pay for it.”

    Sorry, but if you get a bad meal at a restaurant, you can get up and leave, or not eat and go elsewhere right after. On a cruise ship, where exactly are you going to go? You are being held captive until you are allowed off the ship, and even then, there can be a significant expense involved with getting home.

    i think that if she is able to back up her story with documentation from other passengers that were harrassed, then she deserves a 100% refund.

  • Brooklyn

    Wow – so because the ticket was non-refundable, the OP had to suck up whatever Carnival dished out – noise, refusal to respond to multiple complaints, and so on.  And I suppose it’s the same for disabled kids and other “pity parties”.  And of course, your solution is to bring along your gun! I can’t imagine what you do for a living, but I hope you never have any control over any aspect of my life – you’re disgusting.

  • Michael K

    All the research in the world wouldn’t have prevented:
    “banging on our doors and screaming all hours of the night with the intention of keeping everyone awake and making threats through the door,”

    Surely you don’t mean that passengers should expect this and deserve this if they book on a budget cruise line?

  • Michael K

    All the research in the world wouldn’t have prevented:
    “banging on our doors and screaming all hours of the night with the intention of keeping everyone awake and making threats through the door,”

    Surely you don’t mean that passengers should expect this and deserve this if they book on a budget cruise line?

  • Linda Bator

    Actually having a tough time buying her story.  I have sailed on almost every cruise line out there (work as a travel agent) and have gotten to see some behind-the-scenes things most passengers never will.  IF they questioned the “dealer” he would have no way to know who reported him, unless her own behavior would had led him in that direction.  And I have also been privy to the cruise lines turning over a troublesome passenger to the local authorities at the next port of call, so if this was a complaint that was legitimate, and could be proven, I assume the same would have happened there.  I wonder if she hated the cabin’s noise level, and is just fabricating the rest to get more money?  Hate to say it, but I know it happens a lot (I know of a client who will write up a nasty complaint, totally false, each time in order to get a freebie or next to freebie their next time out!)

  • Linda Bator

    Actually, you have to really compare apples to apples.  Short cruises (3-4 days) tend to garner more partiers, regardless whether Carnival or Royal Caribbean.  Once you get the longer cruises (7 or more days), you are looking at those not treating the event like a lost weekend, and it is more to the majority of passengers’ tastes.

  • Vivi

    If the drug dealing and threats were in fact happening and if Carnival did nothing, you would be correct.  However, I have serious doubts about what happened other than the noise from the disco.  Cruise lines take potential drug dealing or transport and threatening behavior toward other passengers very, very seriously. 

    Any passenger reporting another for alleged drug dealing would NOT be identified to the alleged drug dealer.  Security would speak with the alleged drug dealer and perhaps search his/her cabin.  If threats were made security and/or the hotel director would have put the offending party off the ship at the next port.  I’ve cruised over a dozen times and know that even less offensive behavior (but still disrupting) has resulted in passengers being disembarked at the next port. 

    Further, if she felt so threaten why did she stay?  She says they offered her the option to disembark but she stayed.  If someone was threatening you, you felt unsafe, wouldn’t you get out of there?

    I believe the OP completely about the noise from the disco and believe she heard drunks in the hallway, not necessarily drug dealers.  I also believe her complaints about alleged drug dealing and threatening behavior were investigated.  Carnival didn’t willy nilly decide to refund money, something cruise lines very rarely do.  They refunded her 2 days of fare because of the noise and that is sufficient. 

  • cjr

    I never said that research can prevent everything.

    But it can prevent you from being located above/below clubs and such.

    Also, depending on the ship, you may also be able to narrow areas where there would be less traffic in general, such as at the back of the ship, rather than in the middle.

  • Vivi

    Absolutely right that research does nothing to prevent one from being located near unruly passengers. 

    I seriously doubt the “banging on our doors and screaming all hours of the night with the
    intention of keeping everyone awake and making threats through the
    door,”  happened quite the way the OP describes.  If it had a whole section of cabins would have been affected and complaining and ship’s security would have spoken to the offenders and depending on the severity would either put them off the ship or give them a warning.  If it happened again, they would be put off the ship.

  • Michael K

    It’s awfully easy to dismiss someone’s complaint by saying you doubt their story, without offering any evidence that they’re lying.

    Chris confirms that the OP “lodged multiple complaints.”  It appears that the cruise line shared her identity with the unruly passenger(s), which IMO was a very irresponsible, amateurish mistake.

    I’m open to hearing the cruise line’s version, and hearing about any efforts they made to question the unruly passenger(s) and monitor the hallway in question at night.  If we just doubt the OP and ask Chris not to mediate then I don’t expect that will help us find out.

  • Chicky

    In my opinion, here’s the crux of the matter: the unruly passenger was making THREATS! Now, we don’t know whether he was a drug dealer, for certain, and we don’t know what he might or might not have done. However, in my opinion, a passenger making threats against other passengers should be put off at the first available port and flown home. Period. It’s not up to the threatened passenger to determine whether the threat is credible or not. A police officer once told me in person that, if a person PERCEIVES a legitimate threat, then a threat exists, because that person is not necessarily qualified to determine whether a threat is credible. That’s up to law enforcement.
    Any passenger making continued threats is a danger to himself and others. I don’t see how that’s even arguable.
    Not because of the club below, not because of an alleged drug deal, but because Carnival did not respond to its passengers being threatened, I feel the OP deserves a full refund. You don’t go on vacation to have one of your fellow travelers harassing you the whole time. Carnival could have done something during the cruise, and did not.

  • LS

    I am a Platinum member with Carnival, and I know for a fact that if you make enough fuss, they (Carnival) will listen.   I also know that cruise ships have a brig onboard and I have seen several passengers who have actually been locked up.  I recall on one cruise a lady had too much to drink and was trying to pick fights with other passengers.  The ship’s security promptly escorted her out of the club, then restricted her to her cabin, and put her off of the ship at the next port.    I am surprised the security team from this ship did not take more action. 

  • Xylopolitana

    Have to agree with Trifster. If you take a Carnival cruise, you get what you pay for.

  • zt

    Carnival should have searched the room of the alleged drug dealer. Usually if a cruise line finds the stuff, the person gets booted at the next port (and probably also arrested).

  • DavidS

    How do we know they didn’t? Next week Chris will have a column: “Is This Enough Compensation? Carnival Called me a Drug Dealer and Searched My Room…Found Nothing”.   :)

  • Anonymous

    Never said that. I said I think she received enough compensation already. It is always the same for the “pity parties”…I can’t stand seeing those in letters. While I believe some people deserve extra consideration, they certainly shouldn’t get a free ride because they are “a single parent” or “seniors on a fixed income” etc.

    Phrases like that don’t help when appealing to a company for assistance. They just sound like whining. So, why include them?

    I always travel with my firearm where and when it is legal. If that makes me “disgusting” then so be it.

  • PauletteB

    Considering incidents of cruisers being arrested for drugs in Bermuda and elsewhere, I don’t know why you’re surprised at drug dealing aboard ship. All the recent arrests appear to be for drugs the cruisers brought with them. I would imagine that it’s a lot easier to hide a baggie of drugs than a bottle or sixpack.

  • judyserienagy

    Another ridiculous whiner.  If her description of events is true, why didn’t she call Security WHILE the disruptions were going on?   Competent cruiseline management would have off-loaded the bad guys at the next port.  Again, may I point out that she was cruising on Carnival.  I’ve not experienced a Carnival cruise precisely because it’s a cheap cruise and attracts the kind of passengers that I don’t want to be with.

    If you shop at Target, do you expect someone to hem your new jeans?  No, in order for you to receive that service, you need to buy your jeans at Nordstrom.