Can this trip be saved? Flight attendant spills boiling water on my hand

Tea time didn’t go as planned for Star Rivera.

On a recent Virgin America flight, an attendant accidentally spilled hot water on her hand, she says. Accidents like this happen all the time — in fact, I’m surprised they don’t happen more often, with all the turbulence planes encounter — but she needs to know what to do next.

I’ll get to the specifics of her case in a moment. But first, a few words about mishaps that occur when you travel by air. There’s no easy way to know where to turn when something goes wrong, and it all depends on what phase of your trip you’re in. If you’re at a screening area, and you slip and fall, it could be the TSA’s jurisdiction. At the gate? That’s the airport. On the plane? Start with the airline.

Every airline has a special department for claims. In Virgin America’s case, it’s referred to as “guest care.” Details are in its contract of carriage (PDF).

Here’s Rivera’s story: Late last year, she was flying on Virgin America with her nine-year-old stepdaughter.

About two hours before the flight was over, I ordered a hot tea. The flight attendant came and brought the tea, but instead of handing it across the front, he handed it to me over head. I was in the center seat in a three-seat row.

The hot tea was in a styrofoam cup that was then placed in one of the plastic cold drink cups. I assume it’s to account for spillage. However, the cup doesn’t rest in the other cup flat. It’s kind of tilted.

In any case, as the cup was “handed” to me the flight attendant released before it was actually in my hand, and as a result, I had to “catch” the cup over my head and as a result of that, the boiling hot water spilled on my hand.

Ouch! Rivera had no place to go, so she says she sat in her seat while the hot liquid burned her hand.

The flight attendant did not react quickly, and when he did finally walk away, it was only to return with another tea, after I had obviously been burned.

I calmly asked him if he could please bring me some ice immediately. He seemed like he was confused, but returned with the ice after some time.

Needless to say, my hand bubbled up and was clearly badly burned. He then returned with some toothpaste and told me he heard that that works on burns.

It didn’t work. I kept asking for ice, since that was the only thing that offered some relief.

At this point, a piece of skin fell off of my hand.

I then asked him if there was anything else that could be done because I was in extreme pain and trying not to faint since I was traveling with a child. He took me behind a curtain and put lidocaine cream, which I now know should never be applied to an open wound. Since the ice was the only form of relief I was getting, I just kept asking for ice until we arrived at our destination.

She visited the hospital, which diagnosed her as having second-degree burns.

The flight attendant comped a movie for my stepdaughter and me. And offered me a free drink saying that I “probably needed a drink.” I don’t really drink, so no thanks.

It’s unclear if she filed an incident report, but if she did, she probably missed the 21-day deadline in the contract of carriage to make a claim. She says she’d been in touch with an attorney who is interested in taking this case. She has a year to file a claim in court.

Should she just sue Virgin America? I think I’d try that as a last resort, but working through the “guest care” department might be far more productive and less expensive.

I could get involved by bringing this case to Virgin America’s attention. But at the end of the process, the airline will probably insist on having all the paperwork done correctly, which would include an incident report and any medical documentation of her injuries.

So while my involvement might expedite the process, it wouldn’t allow her to take any shortcuts.

(Photo: Birdseye/Flickr Creative Common)

  • Joey

    I voted “no.” If the airline had blown off her complaint I would have voted differently, but it sounds like she hasn’t bothered contacting them at all. And that tells you all you need to know–contacting the airline might lead to better first aid training and might save another passenger what she had to go through, but she’s too busy finding an attorney and trying to set up her lawsuit. Let her attorney help her.

    And the “trying not to faint” line was completely over-the-top. I don’t doubt it hurt, but she’s clearly trying to play it up as being more severe than it really was. She calmly stays in her seat and waited for ice to be delivered even though she’s ready to pass out and skin is falling off her hand? Hard to buy that version of events.

  • Vivi

    A couple of thoughts: (1) It seems suspicious that the customer would sit calmly asking for ice if her hand was so badly burned that she had to fight off fainting from the pain. (2) If the burn was so severe why didn’t she ask for medical assistance immediately when deplaning? (3) If the burn was so severe why didn’t she insist on filing a report?

    Accidents happen, that is why they are called accidents. Merely being an accident does not void a person’s or company’s responsibility to reimburse/compensate for injury. Think of someone backing into your car in a parking lot. The driver didn’t do it on purpose but your car is damaged and must be repaired. Should the damaged car’s owner have to pay because it was an accident? No, the driver who caused the damage should pay. If the OP has medical statements proving a second degree burn (dated within a day or two of the accident), she should be reimbursed for her medical costs.

    Some personal injury lawyers would pursue it if they have medical reports showing injuries. Virgin would most likely see it as a nuisance suit, settle it quickly for a few thousand dollars (of which the lawyer would collect one-third as his/her fee). At best she could get a bit more than her medical bills but subtracting the attorney’s fee perhaps not, which is why I think she is shopping it to Chris for free mediation. You don’t seek mediation if you are looking for a big payoff.

    If she is looking only for reimbursement of medical, I vote for Chris to mediate. If she is looking for damages on top of actual costs, she should roll the dice with the lawyer.

  • Steve

    At a bare minimum, she deserves reimbursement for her medical expenses; I think the airline ought to refund her flight, too, in compensation for the pain and suffering. That said, I agree with others who’ve said that she needs to address this with the airline before thinking about a lawsuit, and at least finding out what they would be willing to do.

    @Jennifer: “Although I feel bad that she got hurt, it was nobody’s fault and the attendant did try to help her. It was just bad luck and it happened. I feel bad that the airline is even having to deal with this!” Interesting. If you’re in a parking lot and someone accidentally backs into your car (but apologizes and says they feel really bad about it), are you going to shrug, absorb the cost of the repairs, and say “it was just bad luck”? I agree that this is not something that the airline owes her a large settlement for; the fact remains that she was injured by their flight attendant, albeit accidentally, and they should at least have to make her whole.

  • Sadie Cee

    I voted ‘yes’ for mediation. As I see it, the OP was injured by the actions of the FA. The FA should have filed an incident report, the airline should have contacted the OP and offers of compensation should have been made. It appears that these actions were not taken and explanations are in order. As I see it, contact with the airline should be limited to this and to the lack of first-aid knowledge amongst its personnel.

    As soon as the OP returned home from the hospital, she should have written to the airline herself about the incident. It was not stated categorically in the facts above that she hadn’t. What I know after more than 40 years of dealing with people of all types, is that some people do not act reasonably or responsibly when they should or when it is expected. This is hard/impossible for some of us to understand because we think we would have acted differently in the same circumstances.

    The first FAs or stewardesses had to be registered nurses. This is no longer a job qualification, but for obvious reasons basic first-aid training should be a requirement for this type of employment. It is the airlines’ responsibility to ensure that their personnel have this training.

    It seems obvious that the FA involved here had no first-aid training and took the incident lightly. (This example is given to show that some airlines do take onboard injuries seriously. On boarding an aircraft a few years ago, I bumped my head on the TV that overhung my seat. I didn’t think anything of it, in fact I had forgotten about it, when about 5 min. later an FA who turned out to be the senior one on the flight came to find out how I was. The FA who had witnessed it had reported it to her. I was pleased to say that I was fine.)

    Toothpaste – sounds hokey I know, but it works. My dinner hostess two weeks ago lifted a pot from the stove without gloves. Both hands were burned and she raced to lather them with toothpaste. She sat out the rest of the event. Two days later on returning home, I e-mailed to find out how she was. She said both hands were fine and there was absolutely no evidence of burns. I had never heard of this treatment before, had been skeptical, but now I’m a believer.

  • Sadie Cee

    Please pardon this second message, but I am furious at all the statements made that the OP could never have been burned as badly as she claims. These people have obviously never been burned by hot tea or coffee themselves. I was and the volume of my hollering brought the entire household running at a quick clip.

    I was severely burned when I took a seat on the sofa with a freshly-made cup of tea on a tray. As I lowered myself to the sofa, the cup turned over and the boiling tea spilled on my lap. Nightmare!! I had to rip my pants off and I saw with my own eyes, the skin on my stomach and below coming off in folds. The burns went down to the dermis and the pain was awful. I was screaming like an animal being slaughtered and could not control myself. I called for iced water and used this to cool the burning.

    Because of the areas that were burned and my ingrained sense of modesty, I refused to go to the hospital. I called upon my first-aid training and sent someone to the pharmacy to get the needed supplies. I dressed these wounds myself with utmost care, night and day, for three months until they healed. Then I had to work on the scars.

    By the way, this was an ordinary cup of herbal tea without cream or sugar.

    Much more could be learned from these opportunities to be involved in others’ experiences if we asked Chris for clarification when we think we need it in order to give our best comments.

  • http://margerywilson.com Margery

    Does anyone know why airplanes are about the only place in the known universe where lids are not put on beverage cups? Is it about saving weight?

    It defies reason that lids are not provided in an environment where turbulence and confined spaces are the norm.

    I have had all sorts of beverages slopped on me during flights over the years. When my kids were young I learned to travel with my own lidded cups because it made me a nervous wreck watching them with airline provided unlidded ones. Recently in a first class seat the man next to me spilled his full glass of wine. Luckily most of the spillage that affected me was limited to my shoes and not my clothes, but having wine soaked shoes was not very pleasant.

    How many burns and other beverage disasters does it take to mandate lids? Where is a clever inventor when we need one?

  • http://margerywilson.com Margery

    @Sadie Yes, white toothpaste! I work in a medical urgent care center, and white toothpaste (the kind that is minty, not bubblegum or fruit flavored) is recommended for minor burns. It does take the sting out.

    The general advice is never put anything on a burn except cool water compresses or ice. (Careful with ice, no need to get frost bite in addition to the thermal burn!) Blisters are best left intact, but if they break then I’d be cautious about putting toothpaste on the exposed flesh.

  • Bill

    It looks to me like the airline did not provide proper first aid and this is a real eye opener.
    It looks like they have some serious gaps in their training.
    I suggest the airline be grounded until it can be proven that they have properly trained their in flight staff.

    How were they even allowed to become an airline?

    As for the passenger, she should be compensated – not only because she was scalded (what it is called when you are burned with a liquid) but also because they didn’t know what to do.

  • Eric

    I’ve never been on a flight where the FA hands a passenger a cup of hot beverage. It’s always poured out or brought out on a tray. Even with coffee refills they insist that the empty cup be placed onto the tray for pouring.

  • MeanMeosh

    I voted no. While I do think she deserves some kind of compensation (medical bills and perhaps a voucher for the trouble), I have a couple of issues with you getting involved:

    1) Ms. Rivera doesn’t appear to have gone through the proper channels to try and resolve this. I have problems with those who immediately go to the media or an attorney without attempting to resolve the problem with the offending party first. It’s not like she filed a claim, and now Virgin is stonewalling her. Instead, it doesn’t appear that she’s done ANYTHING except call you and an attorney.
    2) If Ms. Rivera has already contacted an attorney, there isn’t much you’re going to be able to accomplish, anyway, because Virgin isn’t going to talk to you.

  • barbie45

    I am shocked by some of the responses to this OP. I can understand voting no on the basis of ambiguity concerning a lawyer being involved and confusion over Virgin’s response. However comments such as ‘get over it’ are sadistic. These same people probably have probably tortured cats when young or are child abusers.This woman is not going to become a billionaire because of this accident.

  • Jen

    I wouldn’t phrase it as “get over it” but do we really have the 100% story? What if the FA didn’t realize that he had spilled it on her, just that it had spilled, explaining why he brought the second cup of tea. Did she tell him right away that she was burned? It doesn’t sound like it. Then when she asked for ice, did she say why she needed ice? Maybe he was confused because he brought her tea and she was asking for ice.

    I do agree with the fainting from pain; a couple years ago I accidentally cut through my finger and the pain was so intense that I was really lightheaded and couldn’t stand up straight. However, without knowing more to the story, it sounds like she didn’t make it as big of a deal to the FA at first. Her fault.

    So why did she wait so long in the first place to make a claim? Why didn’t she do something sooner? I don’t want to say “Get over it,” but that’s how I feel.

    And fyi “barbie,” I like children and absolutely adore and spoil my two cats absolutely rotten.

  • Darby

    I would like each of you who are saying no to please provide me with your address and car info. I will “accidentally” back up into you – hey, it would be no one’s fault! It wouldn’t be permanent damage, and it would be just an accident, so no need to assign blame or contact insurance!

  • http://aletterfromhome.wordpress.com Megan

    The carrier should have at least compensated the medical bills. I thought all flight attendants had to have First Aid training in case of emergencies. Putting toothpaste on a burn is not first aid.

    I used to work at a fast food restaurant and have in fact seen many burn injuries, including second degree burns with blistering and bubbling. All of them were covered by workman’s comp.

    I cannot believe that medical assistance (ie. paramedic) was not called when she got off of the plane. It would also help if she happened to take pictures of her injuries.

  • DFW ROAD WARRIOR

    I voted no for the following reasons.

    One, I have flown gazillions of miles on many carriers and have NEVER had a hot beverage on any of them that was hot enough to cause a second degree burn. In fact, I have complained more times than I can count that the coffee or tea was not hot enough.

    Two, her first contact was an attorney. Why did she even bother to post to this site? I suspect her attorney suggested she document her case where she could get supportive feedback to use in her case.

    Three, had this occurred on a “legacy” carrier I would give the story some credibility but Virgin is a new carrier known for its attention to service and customer care.

    To paraphrase the late Paul Harvey I’m like to hear the “rest of the story”.

  • Jason

    I’ve heart if you pee on a burn it helps. It doesn’t mean you should let someone do it. Ice is good enough to keep pain away. I burnt myself recently taking pizza out of 400 degrees oven recently. Yes it hurts but as long as I kept ice on it wasn’t painful. I did have a red spot later and possibly skin pilled off a little. Hot water on the plane is not boiling. It is 85 to 90 degrees. Yes it will be painful if you spill it on but with ice you shouldn’t be feeling much pain. Maybe also some advil will help as well. I am sensing here more drama than what actually happened. If Ms. Rivera had to go to a doctor I think the airline should cover a bill, but I don’t see a reason why she actually had to go to a doctor.

  • PauletteB

    @ Sadie. The very fact of YOUR intense reaction to being scalded by hot tea should make you suspicious that the OP says nothing about her screamimg, jumping, crying out, or any similar reaction to her personal tea mishap. I’m also not buying the “skin falling off” part of her story, not that fast anyway.

    Like another poster, the OP lost me with her “trying not to faint” line. Give me a break! If her burn were that serious, she wouldn’t have waited this long to seek compensation. Sounds more like she was relating the story after the fact and someone told her she could make money off the deal. Nuisance cases like this prevent people with legitimate claims from getting their timely day in court.

  • Sadie Cee

    @PauletteB. My second comment was in response to the comment made in the Facebook section of the blog that no one can be burned by tea unless there was something caustic in the tea.

    In my preceding general comment on the OP’s situation, I said that intervention should be limited to an explanation of why the FA had not filed an incident report and why the airline had not contacted the OP. I also pointed out that the airline had failed in its responsibility to ensure that its personnel had first-air training.

    I am giving the OP the benefit of the doubt as to the severity of her injury for the reason that some people are more restrained in their reactions than others. LOL