Can this trip be saved? Caught in the middle of an in-flight altercation

They say there are two sides to every story. But in today’s installment of “Can this trip be saved?” there are three.

That would be the passenger’s, the crewmember’s and Christina Ernst’s. She’s the travel agent. Ernst isn’t sure what to do about this case, and after hearing about it, neither am I.

Maybe you can help.

Her client contacted her last month because she needed to get to Germany quickly. Her mother was dying.

“I found her a last minute consolidator fare saving her $500 into Frankfurt,” says Ernst. “Her mother did pass away, and she tried to change her ticket coming home, since she had to settle her estate.”

Her airline, US Airways, told her it would cost somewhere between $1,300 and $1,500 to change her ticket to a week later. Ernst told her to go to the airport instead, to see if she could do better. She ended up paying a 700 euro change fee, plus a $176 euro re-issue fee, even thought her client showed the ticket agent a death certificate.

To add insult to injury, US Airways insisted that she pay a 55 euro fee for her second checked bag.

After the flight was in the air, they told passengers they would be charging for head phones and drinks. My client asked, “Since when?” and a crew member told her “For years.” But my client did not have to pay on her way to Germany for either.

About an hour and a half into the flight the crew began serving meals. The crew member offered her a meal but my client informed her that she had ordered an Asian vegetarian meal three hours earlier when she checked in. My client stated the crew member was not friendly and told her they had no vegetarian dishes.

At this time, my client had reached a boiling point and said, “What the F#@% is wrong with you people?”

Uh-oh.

You can imagine what happened next.

A crew member was brought over, and she told the Ernst’s client that she’d be arrested after they landed. Her offense? “Interfering with a crew member.”

The client began crying. She tried to explain she’d had a horrible week, with her mother dying. The crewmembers didn’t buy it.

One crewmember left and returned with a NOTICE OF FEDERAL REGULATION VIOLATION. The crewmember told my client that the authorities were already in place in Philadelphia to arrest her immediately upon landing. She told her she had no rights nor would be served anymore, including water.

Two hours before landing, Ernst’s client, feeling a little dehydrated from all the crying and lack of water, apologized to the crewmember. The apology was accepted and the arrest was called off. She was also offered food.

“The attendant that gave her the original warning came by and threw a sandwich in her lap an hour after everyone else’s snacks were given out,” she says.

So now what?

I am truly in the middle. I do believe my client, but also do not know what to say or send into US Airways.

She really just wants them to work with her on her fees, even with proof of bereavement, and she feels they were too hard on her. She swears she did not curse at the crew member but ‘just in general’ because of the service.

Where should I go from here?

Well, this one raises a few interesting questions, doesn’t it?

1) Is dropping the F-bomb the same thing as “interfering” with the crew, or is it merely offending a flight attendant?

2) If the flight was from Germany to the United States, and they were over the ocean when this happened, how can they invoke federal law? I’m no lawyer, so maybe someone can clarify.

3) Did US Airways deserve this treatment for luring Ernst’s client in with a low fare in her hour of need and then bilking her with ridiculous fees? Or is this just the way the game is played — you offer a low fare and then sock it to the passenger when life happens?

Ernst is sending this to US Airways. “I have no problem going to bat for my clients but this one crosses a fine line that makes it difficult in my line of work,” she says.

If US Airways tells her client to take a hike — and I’m pretty sure it will — then should I take the case?

I don’t know. I’ve always been a big believer in the power of politeness, and I think Ernst’s client should have tried to handle this through more conventional means, instead of swearing at the attendant. But on the other hand, I think if my mother had died and the airline was trying to bilk me for more than a thousand bucks, I’d be tempted to give a crewmember a piece of my mind.

Should I get involved?

Update: Just heard back from Ernst: “US Airways responded with a $150 travel voucher and a note stating they are very sorry about the incident they will speak to the flight attendant involved, but due to confidentiality laws that’s where it ends.

(Photo: The Wingy/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • eeeema

    @Sarah J  - If you read the account of what happened, she cursed at the flight attendant AFTER multiple instances of poor treatment both by airport personnel and the flight attendant.

  • eeeema

    @Sarah J  - If you read the account of what happened, she cursed at the flight attendant AFTER multiple instances of poor treatment both by airport personnel and the flight attendant.

  • eeeema

    @Sarah J  - If you read the account of what happened, she cursed at the flight attendant AFTER multiple instances of poor treatment both by airport personnel and the flight attendant.

  • eeeema

    @Sarah J  - If you read the account of what happened, she cursed at the flight attendant AFTER multiple instances of poor treatment both by airport personnel and the flight attendant.

  • http://www.cutcat.com ChelseaGirl98

    I am surprised US Airways doesn’t have bereavement fares. But if they don’t, there isn’t much one can do about it and you have to accept that a last-minute change is going to cost you. I do think it is appalling that they would have someone arrested for cursing, as this does not at all come under the heading of “interfering” with a crew member. If they ever do that to someone else I hope they get the pants sued off them for false arrest.

  • Anonymous

    OR … they offered her a choice of meals, and she picked one, and then they didn’t have it.

    The story above isn’t specific about it, but her outburst makes a lot more sense in my context. She’s not a raging b***, just someone who is receiving unrelenting carelessness and callousness. After getting charged $1200+ for a flight change  — after showing a mother’s death certificate — the unapologetic failure to deliver a meal that *they* offered *me* would probably make me say exactly what she did, quite possibly even worse. And under the circumstances of this scenario, I would have perhaps apologized for one word, but nothing else. And if arrested, I’m 100% sure I would not be charged with a crime, much less convicted.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, everyone’s mother dies. But not in the past week. Are you saying that people who have just experienced a tremendous loss should not be treated with a little extra kindness, if possible?

    Apparently it’s becoming a rarity, but for many years, airlines would offer reduced fares for: last-minute tickets to attend funerals; ticket changes resulting from the death of a near relative; serious illness on the part of a ticket holder; and other circumstances, on a case-by-case basis, that involved a ticket-holder being unable to travel on the reserved date through no fault of their own.

    It was the flip side to the times when the airlines had weather or mechanical delays. We all mutually agreed to cut each other a little slack when the unforeseen/unavoidable happened.

    But now the airlines take no responsibility for their own unforeseen/unavoidable situations, but insist on cashing in when their customer have unforeseen/unavoidable situations of their own.

  • DavidS

    Unlikely. Asian vegetarian is a special meal requring 24 hours notice. A standard vegetarian is usually an option on board. All this info is available on USAirways website.

    More likely she asked at the counter, was told it was on request but not guaranteed.

    I am beginning to think the bereavement fare concept is pointless. These are a throwback to the day when there was one, expensive, last minute fare…like $2000 one way cross country. These were only bought by business travlers on expense accounts. The airlines offered a discounted fare for these purposes to appear more compassionate.

    Since deregulation, as fare structures and competition have made air travel more affordable, is a walkup ticket really that out of line on most routes? New York to LAX is less than $400 one way for a ticket tomorrow.

    Why demand a discount from an airline? If I need to attend a funeral, do I get a discount on my black suit? Flowers? Casket for the deceased? Parking at the airport? Motels? Meals while traveling? (Granted…a motel may offer a discount for out of town guests, but that is to get the group business.)

    The client bought a highly restictive ticket…not even sold by USAirways. The question is the reasoning behind this, knowing there may have been a possibility of changing it.

  • wondermutt

    A question out of ignorance:

    If the “US claims jurisdiction over all US-registered aircraft” as originally posted by johnb78, then doesn’t this also mean that US laws should apply, including that little first-amendment one about freedom of speech?  And if it does apply, then how can any language short of a threat of physical harm to person or plane be grounds for arrest?

    I understand that stupid use of language has its limitations (like the fact that it’s stupid, and in some places illegal, to yell “fire” in a crowded theater), but this incident seems to call to light this question for me and I’d love to hear back from someone with credible/legitimate constitutional law background on it.

  • wondermutt

    A question out of ignorance:

    If the “US claims jurisdiction over all US-registered aircraft” as originally posted by johnb78, then doesn’t this also mean that US laws should apply, including that little first-amendment one about freedom of speech?  And if it does apply, then how can any language short of a threat of physical harm to person or plane be grounds for arrest?

    I understand that stupid use of language has its limitations (like the fact that it’s stupid, and in some places illegal, to yell “fire” in a crowded theater), but this incident seems to call to light this question for me and I’d love to hear back from someone with credible/legitimate constitutional law background on it.

  • Traveling man

    Let’s address the airline ticket 1st.
    1.The travel agent stated that she purchased a “consolidator ticket” and saved $500.00.
    2. There are rules that are beyond USAIR’s rules when buying a consolidator ticket. They require special booking classes that are unique to themselves and USAIR’s revenue team.
    3. Generally there is a $250.00 change penalty and you simply have to book the new ticket in the same class of service to get the fare. We do it all of the time. The catch to this is that it must be in a specific class of service to change the flight.
    4. The client should have contacted Christina Earnst to contact the consolidator to change the ticket. In USAIR’s defense, they had no idea in hell (oops, did I drop the H-word, sorry USAIR.) what that ticket fare basis was, so they exchanged it against a full “Y” fare. I looked it up and would have done the same were I behind the USAIR counter.
    Sorry, no money back – mis-handled in the end by the customer.

    Not to the attack of the Attendent
    5. Cussing in a public area – not cool. Cussing in a public area to an airline employeee in today’s world – bad. The attendant threatening the passenger with starvation, dehydration, and jail and seriously throng a sandwich at the passenger? – instant dismissal, hand her from the highest beer stein! The F-bomb is not a threat until attatched with a statement like I’ll F#$@% kill you. Shame on USAIR for intimidation tactics. Fly the foriegn  guys, they are nicer.

  • Traveling man

    The travel agent did absolutely right at the time. Save the money. A fully refundable ticket would have been in the several thousand dollar range. Nobody could have assumed that there would be a death. The airlines are heartless.$$$$$ that is all they want. The refund rules are for the death of the passenger alone, after that it is up to the airlines PR to decide $$$

  • Traveling man

    Wrong! It is very easy to change a consolidator fare if you follow their rules. I use them 10 times a day for normal travel, emergency travel, even 1st class travel. You just cannot make the change with the airline.

  • Traveling man

    Special meals requires a longer time to request. This again sounds like the counter tried to pacify her and let the next airline moron handle the fallout.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PYBPKMCHPLHDPKJJGCOLESY7HI Rabbi Pedro Goldstein

    There are NO “confidentiality laws” any of the airlines operate under. I am so fed up with the way airlines and their employees treat passengers. I am a million mile flier with AA and I no longer ask for preferred treatment, I beg that they treat me at least as well as prison guards treat inmates. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PYBPKMCHPLHDPKJJGCOLESY7HI Rabbi Pedro Goldstein

    There are NO “confidentiality laws” any of the airlines operate under. I am so fed up with the way airlines and their employees treat passengers. I am a million mile flier with AA and I no longer ask for preferred treatment, I beg that they treat me at least as well as prison guards treat inmates.