I’ve fallen and I can’t get a refund for my cruise

Question: My partner and I were recently booked on a cruise to the Caribbean through Carnival Cruise Lines. It was to be our first cruise and we were so excited. Unfortunately, we had some extremely bad luck. We flew to Miami two days early to spend some time there before the cruise. That first evening, I slipped and fell on some wet plywood that had been placed in a public park.

I broke my tibial plateau into several pieces — an injury that required immediate surgery. So we had to cancel the cruise and fly home.

We had booked the cruise through an online travel agent and they advised us that we would need to write Carnival a letter explaining the circumstances and inquiring about rescheduling the cruise or getting a refund. We did that in early May. We just found out that Carnival has decided to award us half our money back in shipboard credits if we book another cruise with them.

I find this “resolution” utterly unacceptable. I find it inconceivable that a company would willingly alienate a customer. We are not asking for special treatment; we just want to go on the vacation that we paid for. Can you help Carnival realize the error of its ways? — Jeff Allen, Denver

Answer: Ouch. It sounds like you took a painful fall in Miami, and Carnival’s response only added insult to an agonizing injury. In a perfect world, the cruise line would have offered you either a full refund or a redo of your cruise.

Unfortunately, it’s not a perfect world.

Carnival’s ticket contract — the legal agreement between you and the cruise line — is clear about your rights. Check out paragraph six. “No refunds will be made in the event of “no shows”, unused tickets, lost tickets, interruptions, partially-used tickets, or cancellations received late or after the start of the cruise,” it says, adding, “Carnival strongly recommends the purchase of trip cancellation insurance from your travel agent.” (Here’s a copy of the contract on its site.

Would travel insurance have helped? Without a doubt. A fall like this would have almost certainly been covered by your policy, including your return airfare, any medical attention you received in Miami and your cruise fare. Your travel agent should have recommended a comprehensive insurance policy, and in your case, it would have been a sound investment.

I remember there was a time just after 9/11 when cruise lines routinely made exceptions to their nonrefundability rule. That’s no longer the case. There’s a good business reason why a cruise line would deny a request like yours: It can’t resell your cabin when you’re a no-show, meaning that it’s basically offering you a free cruise.

But there’s an equally compelling customer-service reason to cut you a little slack. The goodwill would go a long way to ensuring you’re a repeat cruiser. You would also tell your friends and family about how compassionate Carnival was, and that may persuade them to try a “Fun Ship” cruise.

Someone at Carnival apparently thought a compromise would work best — neither a redo, nor an outright denial of your request. I thought it was a good offer, but could Carnival do better?

One of the hardest parts of my job is knowing when to push, or when a company has done enough. This was a borderline case, but I still thought it was worth asking Carnival about it, knowing that it had already done more for you than it would for the average no-show passenger.

When Carnival re-examined your file, it found that it had miscalculated your refund, which gave you a $545 cruise credit instead of a $528 credit. That’s the good news. The bad news? It’s sticking to a 50 percent refund toward a future cruise, arguing that if it went any further, it would “undermine the integrity of purchasing travel insurance.”

I’m not sure how issuing a full credit would undermine travel insurance any more than giving you half a refund. You’re not happy with this resolution, and I’m not sure I am, either. But I think it’s Carnival’s final answer.

(Photo: Adje M/Flickr Creative Commons)

  • John Baker

    Chris … If Carnival simply refunded no shows, regardless of the reason, who didn’t buy trip insurance their money, why would anyone ever purchase it.

    I feel that Carnival did more than expected although it didn’t hurt to ask them to look on more time. This is a great example of why you need to purchase travel insurance for non-refundable vacations.

  • http://Www.accessamerica.com Daniel Durazo

    Chris,

    Thanks for reminding everyone of the importance of travel insurance, especially when taking a cruise.

    We hear stories like this one everyday from our customers and they’re very happy that they purchased Access America travel insurance.

  • Craig

    I agree that travel insurance is the way to go with a cruise. Did this online agent not offer it, or did this individual just not accept it?

    I also find that companies offering any kind of refund by way of credit – meaning you are still forced to spend your money with that company – to to be a despicable practice.

  • Ray McDonald

    Geez, I think a 50% credit is fantastic since they didn’t have the insurance. It wasn’t Carnivals fault that he fell and as mentioned they could not resell that cabin. I would be very pleased if I received that under similar circumstances.

  • Sarah Di

    Carnival only owed them what was due to them per the cancellation terms in their contract. If Carnival is required to pay everyone in full when they cancel a day or two before their cruise, that makes my cruise prices go up. Considering that I buy trip insurance in case something does happen, I am sympathetic for their problem and missing their cruise, but they were not owed 100%. If you don’t purchase trip insurance, you choose to go by the terms of the contrct you agreed to and you are liable for the rest, regardless of the reason you missed it. Otherwise, what’s going to stop every person who books a cruise from cancelling the day before and expecting a full refund?

  • Lisa S

    I agree with everyone above. The people should have bought travel insurance. I think Carnival did a great thing to offer 50% credit for a future cruise. Of course, the people could still go on the cruise and enjoy the sun and view, if it is that important to them. Now, these people could also go after the careless indiviuals who left the wet plywood in the park!

  • Sarah Di

    And technically since the cancellation charge 14 days before the cruise is 100%, they weren’t owed anything according to the contract that they agreed to. Carnival was generous to give them 50% in credit.

  • Jean Farmer

    Chris,

    You need to give the cruiselines a break sometimes. Carnival had to think about the lawsuit Princess faced (Carnival is the parent company) for making exceptions for cancellations as who is the person that decides who’s excuse is better than the next persons and remember there is no discrimination so if you give one person a refund you give everyone a refund. This person should have done some investigating before booking a trip and because he didn’t read what he bought doesn’t mean he isn’t in agreement with their contract as sometimes people have to be responsible for their own actions. He definately should have purchased travel insurance.

  • SirWired

    “We are not asking for special treatment; we just want to go on the vacation that we paid for.”

    The OP most certainly is asking for “special treatment.” (And, with that 50% credit, the OP most certainly received it!)

    The OP got the vacation that was paid for, as the cabin was ready and waiting, and was probably not filled with another customer. It is tragic that he/she wasn’t there to occupy it, but Carnival held up its end of the bargain.

    One of the things unique to cruise lines (vs. a no-show for an airline, hotel, or restaurant) is that the cruise line’s costs do not decrease simply because nobody is in the cabin. Airlines overbook to account for no-shows, preventing a financial hit. For guests of a hotel that don’t show up, they can simply send the staff home early, saving labor costs. Restaurants can simply save the food for another day, and send staff home. Cruise lines have already purchased the food for the week; since the staff is on-board (and not paid hourly), the labor costs don’t go down; and cruise lines never come up to sailing day with an overbooking (they do overbook, but they will offer truly crazy bribes if needed in advance to make sure nobody gets stuck at the pier.)

    My point is, that just because the OP didn’t show up doesn’t mean that Carnival saved a single cent in costs because he wasn’t there. His fare paid for things that he unfortunately was not there to enjoy. Indeed, the staff that would have received the auto-tip for his cabin lost money since he wasn’t there to pay it.

    Trip insurance exists for a reason! If you don’t purchase it, sometimes that gamble doesn’t work out.

    I purchase trip insurance every single time, and I have indeed had to use it. When I had to cancel due to my father needing a last-minute triple-bypass, I received a 25% refund from Princess (I was two days from receiving a 0% refund), and the remaining 75% from my insurance policy. Filing the claim involved some paperwork, but nothing unreasonable, and the $1500 check arrived in three weeks.

  • http://www.icruise.com Uf

    Chris you wrote . . . “You’re not happy with this resolution, and I’m not sure I am, either.”

    Really? You’re not sure if you’re happy that Carnival gave a guest a 50% credit towards a future trip knowing full well that they didn’t buy travel insurance?

    You’ve spent years writing about Travel Insurance and Travel Protection both with cruise lines, cruise agencies and other travel products. How some agencies automatically add it (online agencies in particular) and require you to check a box stating that you don’t want it or unchecking that you don’t want it. Is it possible that this guest “unchecked” that box during the booking process or declined it in writing as many agencies require? Did they simply find themselves invincible and use the “I’m going no matter what” mentality.

    A broken tibial plate would have definitely been covered by travel insurance. Thank God they didn’t fall and break their leg in a port of call and required medical attention in a foreign hospital and then had to fly home. Would you be helping them get a refund from a hospital in Cozumel or the airline who sold them their tickets home? How about the unused portion of their cruise? Would you recommend they contact Carnival for that? Of course not.

    You have many thousands of readers out there. They should know what travel insurance covers and the risks associated with traveling without it. Volcanoes, hurricanes, floods, home fire, snow storms, a fender bender on the way to the airport or pier, falling off a ladder, a 6 year old with a 103 fever the day before the cruise, death in the family, lost luggage, and breaking a tibial plate are all reasons to miss a cruise and most likely covered by travel insurance.

    In all your years, you know this guest got way more than they deserved from Carnival, especially if they knowingly opted out for the travel insurance. 50% is a VERY generous resolution. It’s a good thing that they didn’t book with Princess because I can absolutely positively assure they would have done nothing for these guests.

    Chris, based on your article, it’s a wise that you didn’t pursue this one. Your efforts are best spent and appreciated by readers like me on the guests who have truly been wronged by a travel provider. This was not the case with Carnival. I’m sorry Mr. Allen broke his leg and missed his cruise. And based on Carnival’s response. So were they. This was truly a gesture of good will.

    Keep up the good work.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    This situation points out two important things: 1) Purchase a comprehensive travel insurance policy and 2) deal with a traditional brick & mortar travel professional because it is more likely that a traditional brick & mortar travel agent would have probably strongly recommended the purchase of a travel insurance policy, explained the reasons to purchase a policy, etc. over an online agency.

    Since it wasn’t disclosed in the article, we won’t know if the online agency recommended the purchase of travel insurance, if the online agency failed to recommend travel, if Jeff Allen knew to ask about travel insurance; if Jeff Allen refused to purchase travel insurance or etc.

    What I found disturbing about this article was the attitude of Jeff Allen. He needs to take responsibility for not purchasing travel insurance on this cruise regardless if the online agent didn’t recommend it or if he refused to purchase it. It was his fault but he expected Carnival to lose 100% on a cabin that they couldn’t resell.

  • MeanMeosh

    I have to agree with the majority on this one. While I sympathize with the traveler, I think Carnival acted appropriately. Carnival’s terms and conditions are pretty clearly disclosed, as I recall. Not to mention, every time me or my family has bought cruise tickets or a tour package, we get prompted by the agent to by travel insurance. If you buy a nonrefundable ticket and choose to roll the dice, you run the risk of coming up snake eyes. Now if Carnival had decided to cancel the cruise/alter the itinerary for some reason, my answer would be different, but that’s not the case here.

  • http://www.adventuresingoodcompany.com Marian Marbury

    I am so in agreement with these comments. We have had people in a similar situation and the fact that they could have done something to prevent their loss but chose not to, does not make it our responsibility. For my own travel, sometimes I purchase insurance and sometime I don’t – but I always accept that I am gambling when I don’t and assume responsibility for that.

  • MIke T

    I can’t believe that Carnival offered only 50% of the cost, and only if they chose to go back! That’s like a mugger taking your money, then offering to give half of it back if you’ll take them to your house and give them your TV! This is an absolute outrage! I can’t believe you failed to do the right thing, Chris, and set these people straight!

    Namely, that he got a fantastic deal that he didn’t deserve, more compensation than most, and was a complete and utter ninny for thinking that he didn’t need travel insurance. Travel agents DO push insurance for more than just referral fees–Namely, clients that are less likely to be miffed about being out of pocket large sums of money.

  • http://www.ctravel.bm Gary Kent-Smith CTC, ACC

    Hello Chris – really enjoy you columns. Since my office (and clients) are located outside North America most of the cruise lines’ insurance prorams do not cover them. Most cruise lines offer (through travel agencies) isurance to cover cancellation “for any reason”. However, here in Bermuda these policies do not offer any coverage due to the fact that the clients do not live in North America. We had a call last winter where the flights were all cancelled due to weather and a family could not get to San Juan for their cruise. In this case the cruise line, Carnival, have refused any sort of compensation – not a refund nor a credit towards another cruise. So, it is not under all circumstances that travel insurance works – though it does for most situations. Weather is one factor that is not covered by the travel insurance available here, so these clients were out of luck. If the OP lives in the USA or Canada then he could very well have purchased travel insurance to cover his misfortune and this would not even be a matter for discussion.

    Regards

  • Roberto

    Carnival’s offer was already generous. There was no reason for you to take up this cause.

  • bunny

    I’m getting bored/tired of Chris going to bat for those who choose not to cover the risks of “unusual circumstances” causing a missed trip. Are there really any “usual cicumstances” that would cause someone to pay big bucks and not go on a cruise (etc) that has a clearly stated NON-refundable policy. So if I buy a $1000 worth of lottery tickets and don’t win, do I get my money back if I need the money for unforeseen medical expenses? NOT! If you are told the money is non-refundable, then it’s gone no matter what your unusual circumstances are. There will always be people who think their situation deserves to be an exception or who don’t read the contract of carriage but they should just be reminded that they agreed to the terms, period.

  • http://ckbtvl@ma.rr.com Geoff

    Shame on Carnival! They had no business refunding 1 single $$$. That is what insurance is for and a good ASTA in house travel agent would have made sure the client was advised of the need for insurance.

  • gerard olin

    Forget booking on line for a cruise. He should have used an on street and ASTA travel agency, that agent would have offered travel insurance.

  • Sean

    Chris – keep it up, I love to see how stirred up people get when someone gets a little favorable treatment.
    Sure, the OP should have had travel insurance, but just like people live without Health insurance, life insurance, car insurance, some times people think they’re immune to problems and need it. Is it a gamble? Heck yeah it is and this time the OP lost.
    Also, the OP didn’t get a “refund,” he received a credit, which means he has to pony up the additional $500+ to use the credit. And I’m sure there is a limitation on that credit (I’d guess a year) so unless he can afford to pay half again, he’ll lose the credit all together and be out the full cost and Carnival isn’t out anything . . . other then an upset customer.
    Does the OP deserve anything, no. Did Carnival go above and beyond the contract, yes. Should have Chris intervened, heck yeah, I love it when he does and the comments are this active.

  • carver

    @Chris

    I checked with my Pastor and yes, hell has frozen over. The Flyertalk mentality has hit your blog.

    We’ve given up compassion for smug self righteousness. None of us ever needs help for our mistakes, because none of us ever makes mistakes. We have all achieved perfection.

    Have we all been traveling so long that we’ve forgotten what its like to be a newbie? Apparently so.

  • Brad

    Gonna have to say it is a pity that they could not take the cruise, but the contract was very clear about their refund. Seems Carnival was actually generous.
    People have to realize that cruises and airline seats are a perishable item. Once they are not used, you can never resell that seat or cabin. If cruise lines or airlines allowed people to just “no show” at will they would lose even more money than they have.
    The circumstances are indeed unfortunate, but a lesson learned for us all. Travel or Trip Interruption Insurance

  • carver

    @Jean Farmer

    What lawsuit are you talking about?

  • Barbara

    I like your informational columns and I appreciate the things I’ve learned from them over the years. However, you go too far in your incidents of advocacy and I think you are often successful only because the parties don’t want the adverse publicity. I’m sorry the Carnival Cruise man fell and had such a serious and painful injury. However, we are instructed time and again to purchase travel insurance to protect our financial investment in such circumstances. This couple chose not to do so knowing full well the possible risks of their decision. Why should any of us spend money on travel insurance if we can get our money back without doing so?
    I purchase travel insurance for every major trip. I’ve only had to use it once but it gives me peace of mind like any other insurance. If I can’t afford the additional cost I don’t go on the trip. I don’t expect others to pick up the slack for me. That’s the kind of “parenting” that raises mature, responsible citizens, not crybabies who expect others to rescue them. Why do you continue to encourage the latter kind of behavior? Is that what sells columns?

  • barbie45

    I am with the majority on this one. Arizona Road Warrior provided the most cogent argument for Carnival’s decision. On the other hand Gary Kent -Smith did provide an informative post on travel insurance outside North America. Good try of you though Chris. I am assuming this was a young not very sophiticated couple . Remember even the most savywell- traveled person has to ask Chris to intervene.

  • http://www.cutcat.com Regina

    I agree that the cruise line was correct. I am about to book a cruise and plan to buy travel insurance, because you never know what might happen. It’s surprising that the online travel agent did not advise the customer to buy trip insurance; or maybe they did and it was declined. I also find it surprising that a traveler would not know about this option or would choose not to take it when booking an expensive vacation such as a cruise. It’s obvious that he didn’t read the contract. Once again, a case of someone not taking personal responsibility for his actions–or in this case, lack thereof. Carnival has already done more than it needed to do, by issuing the shipboard credit.

  • Rose

    I understood the OP to say that the refund offered by Carnival was in the form of shipboard credits, rather than a credit toward the basic cost of a future cruise. If this is the case, he & his partner will have to pay the full cost of another cruise before enjoying any of the refund. won’t they?

  • http://www.shipcriticblog.com Anne Campbell

    If this person tripped in an airport would she expect a refund for the flight she couldn’t take? I’m amazed someone would even entertain the idea that Carnival owes them a refund when it didn’t even happen on the ship. Carnival doesn’t owe them a nickel.

    Travel insurance is necessary these days. For example, you buy an airline ticket to meet a ship and the flight is canceled or delayed. The ship leaves without you. Travel insurance will pay the cost of flying to meet the ship in the first port you can reach. You get sick aboard ship and need to see a doctor, which is extremely expensive, the insurance company pays. One doctor asked me: “Does your personal insurance cover you in Liberia? Because that’s where you are now.”

    Today all cruise agents suggest insurance so you’re covered for mishaps like this. If you turn it down then you’re liable.

    All cruise lines sell travel insurance. I recommend third party travel insurance instead. AccessAmerica and TravelGuard are the best.

    Thanks, Chris, for writing about this important subject.

  • Elaine Carey – Travel Advisor

    I agree with most everyone here, especially Roberto. Chris, why in the world would you even waste your time on something like this?! This is one of the examples I use when I advise clients of the importance of purchasing travel insurance! If, after my explanation, the client still refuses to take it, they have to sign a waiver stating that I explained and offered the insurance and will not be held responsible for any losses incurred.

    This is standard procedure for us and I’m not surprised that an online agent didn’t offer it or he didn’t accept it. He might not have jumped so fast to EXPECT a refund or compensation had this been explained in detail to him.

    I feel bad that he fell and hurt himself, but that’s the problem with people that either don’t pay attention to details or prefer not to spend just a little more to protect what money they did fork out for their trip! What a shame :(

    Better find a real travel advisor next time Jeff!
    Elaine

  • El Cee

    Considering Carnival didn’t cause the accident that required the surgery that made Mr. Allen and his partner miss their cruise, the $545 cruise credit was rather generous.

    Carnival had nothing to “resolve” with Mr. Allen and his partner when they provided the cruise credit except to extend good will by inviting them back on another cruise at a lower cost. I would recommend that Mr. Allen step into Carnival’s shoes and imagine saying these words,”Mr. Allen, what an awful accident you had before your cruise! We had everything prepared for a wonderful time with us. We’d still love to have you so here’s something to help towards your next cruise.”

    The boat left on the vacation you paid for, sir. Don’t take your frustrations out on those who were prepared to welcome you and are making it easier to come back. It’s a really awful way to learn to buy travel insurance, but don’t spend another moment fighting and do take the cruise you wanted go on. Be careful as you go.

  • Harry Baxter

    I’m sorry about your accident, but whatever the cruiseline offers you over and above their obligation, which is nothing, be happy about it. I’ve posted often on this board about insurance issues, but in all cases, my criticism has been about bogus insurance. If you’re paying more for a trip than you can afford to lose, get travel insurance! A $4000 trip won’t cost you more than $300 in most cases.

  • MeanMeosh

    Carver – with all due respect, I think you’re missing the point. The issue isn’t whether Carnival should exercise compassion and discretion in bending their policies. As with any private business, they’re free to do so as they see fit. But where exactly do you draw the line? I’m sure this is only one example of a thousand that happen everyday, where something unfortunate happens and someone has to cancel or cut short a trip. If you ran a cruise line, are you telling me you’d issue a refund to every traveler who came up with this, that, and the other excuse for why they couldn’t make their cruise? Unless you plan to do that, somebody has to make a value judgment on what situation deserves an exception and how much that exception is worth, and it would appear that’s exactly what Carnival is doing.

    My point is, the reason given by the traveler doesn’t seem to rise to the level of granting a full refund. A different set of facts might change my opinion.

  • Thalassa

    @ El Cee said Considering Carnival didn’t cause the accident that required the surgery that made Mr. Allen and his partner miss their cruise, the $545 cruise credit was rather generous.

    Exactly. If Mr. Allen pursues a lawsuit against the person or business who made him fall, that’s where he can get reimbursement.

    It is not Carnival’s issue to make him whole, because they were not the problem.

  • John

    It’s funny how the passenger finds the resolution “utterly unacceptable.” What’s untterly unacceptable is that he didn’t take time to review the policy, purchase travel insurance, and that he wants Carnival to break its rules, which are clearly spelled out. Chris, maybe you shouldn’t have published this story and saved the passenger a lot of embarrassment.

  • Carver

    @Mean

    You’ve created a strawman argument which is per se in valid. I am not suggesting that every Tom, Dick, and Harry gets a refund. Yet, many people are creating the absurd argument that granting a refund in this case would be to open the floodgates and impoverish the cruise lines.

    The OP “broke [his] tibial plateau into several pieces — an injury that required immediate surgery.” That hardly qualifies as a silly excuse. I take the position that there are certain compassionate exceptions to the no-refund rules: death, severe illness, legal issues, i.e. arrest, jury duty, etc.

    And even if you don’t want to give a refund, give them a full credit against a future cruise, usable only during low occupancy. That way, the passenger is not out anything, nor is the cruise line. A win-win for everybody.

  • Monica

    I agree with most of the comments. Yes, the OP should have bought insurance. No, the cruise line didn’t owe him anything. They were generous by giving him 50%, regardless of whether it was cash or credit towards another cruise. It’s certainly better than being out 100%, which is what should have happened.

    I hate “exception” policies. I work at a company that has no-refund, no-return policies that are put into exceptions all the time. It’s to a point now where making an exception is now the SOP. Customers expect it. Sometimes a company has to push back. Bottom line is a comapny’s objective is still to make money. The cruise still maintains all operating expeneses, whether this OP was on the cruise or not.

    Again, this is a case where someone who claims the don’t want “special treatment” is asking for it. This is a hard lesson to learn, and hopefully he will rebook the cruise and buy insurance this time.

  • Sean

    @MeanMosh – No, that wasn’t what Carver said, read it again. What was said was that the posters here have no compassion. Everyone is screaming that Chris shouldn’t have even offered to help in this case. Carver never said that Carnival should give a full refund, but rather it sounded more like a rookie/noob mistake and if Chris could help, good for him.

    Sorry Carver, didn’t mean to speak for you, but I agree with you.

  • Brian

    I have to agree with Carnival on this one. This would have been a PERFECT example of how travel insurance could have saved the day.

  • Carrie Charney

    Carnival has no responsibility here. However, if it is known who left the plywood and whether or not there was negligence in the way it was left, then that party is responsible. For instance, if there was active construction going on where the OP tripped, but there was no warning signage or roping off of the area, then the construction company should be responsible.

  • MeanMeosh

    Carver – again, with all due respect, you’re proving my point exactly, in that SOMEBODY has to make a value judgment in these cases, whether it be you, the cruise line, an insurance agent, or some other independent 3rd party. Just because you disagree with the value judgment that Carnival made in this case (a 50% cruise credit) doesn’t make them wrong, or uncompassionate. For that matter, it doesn’t make you wrong, either, to advocate the the traveler should get a refund, or a 100% cruise voucher, or whatever. But my point was, this is not a black-and-white situation, and at the end of the day, a human being has to make a decision one way or the other. That’s why we have appeals processes, people like Chris, and the courts to get second opinions when we disagree with the decision.

    And for the record, I never said the option is to either refund everybody or refund nobody. If you read my response closely, I said unless you want to issue refunds to everybody, someone somewhere has to make a value judgment to decide who gets what. No need for ad hominem attacks like declaring opposing points of view as “strawman arguments” or “invalid per se”, just because you happen to disagree with them.

  • http://bulharsko.dovolena123.com Conway Olson

    I like your informational columns and I appreciate the things I’ve learned from them over the years. However, you go too far in your incidents of advocacy and I think you are often successful only because the parties don’t want the adverse publicity. I’m sorry the Carnival Cruise man fell and had such a serious and painful injury. However, we are instructed time and again to purchase travel insurance to protect our financial investment in such circumstances. This couple chose not to do so knowing full well the possible risks of their decision. Why should any of us spend money on travel insurance if we can get our money back without doing so?I purchase travel insurance for every major trip. I’ve only had to use it once but it gives me peace of mind like any other insurance. If I can’t afford the additional cost I don’t go on the trip. I don’t expect others to pick up the slack for me. That’s the kind of “parenting” that raises mature, responsible citizens, not crybabies who expect others to rescue them. Why do you continue to encourage the latter kind of behavior? Is that what sells columns?

  • Ed

    I am utterly amazed in the responses to this problem. Almost 100% in agreement that the client wasn’t due any refund at all since he didn’t have travel insurance. If one were to go back and look at the same scenarios with airline tickets and hotel rooms, the readers responses are almost 100% against the airlines and hotels. Is an airline seat or a hotel room any less perishable than a cabin on a cruise ship? Absolutely not! The situations are one in the same.
    As some readers have suggested, and are correct, dealing with a ‘brick and mortar’ travel agent would most likely have avoided this issue, as a professional travel agent would have stressed the importance of purchasing travel insurance.
    For those who so often damn airlines and hotels for not refunding non-refundable fares / charges, I would like to point out that any business when setting their rates takes into consideration their losses. Thus, for those who chastise airlines and hotels for not refunding, I would like to point out that if they do refund and take these losses, each of you will pay for them when booking your next trip, Just economics and the cost of doing business, they pay or you pay, really pretty simple.
    Although not all travel insurance policies are the same, we had a client who became severely ill in Fiji and required a med-flight from Fiji back to the US at a cost of almost $25,000 which was covered by their travel insurance. Did they foresee this happening? No. Can anyone say with uncertainty that they will not need coverage of this kind, or simple ‘cancel for any reason’ travel insurance? No. In my opinion, better safe than sorry.

  • Jake

    As much as I hate large corporations, I agree with the majority on this one – OP got more than deserved. In this case Carnival was not in the wrong in the slightest – it was the OP’s dumb mistake of stepping on some plywood that caused this. There was absolutely no reason for Carnival to refund a cent (I’ve been on several Carnival cruises, and their refund policies are made EXTREMELY clear both during purchase and after the fact), yet they generously extended a 50% credit. This company went above and beyond what they needed to do, both legally and morally, and should be commended for their actions – one only need to think of how airlines behave in situations that are of their own making to see that Carnival is making the extra effort to retain a customer!

  • Carver

    @MeanMosh

    “If you ran a cruise line, are you telling me you’d issue a refund to every traveler who came up with this, that, and the other excuse for why they couldn’t make their cruise? ”
    =====================================

    Its not an attack it’s simply a correct description. It’s a strawman argument because it makes two implications that I didn’t make then attempts to refute them. The first is that I suggested a refund was due, and the second being that its my position is that every excuse is a valid excuse for a refund, hence the phrase, “this, that, and the other”

    Neither is true. If the OP plans merely change, the OP is SOL. No consideration is due. But I am amazed that broken bones and emergency surgery no longer appeals to people’s sense of compassion.

    Having been on many travel sites, I notice that each board develops a culture. This culture of this one is basically buy travel insurance or else.

  • Cheryl

    If Jeff Allen knew enough to ask Chris for help, then Jeff should also know that Chris ALWAYS suggests purchasing travel insurance. Someone very close to me got deathly sick on a vacation, ended up in intensive care and was returned home with a nurse who traveled from Montana to MA, everything was paid for by the travel insurance company. I have purchased travel insurance when I know that I cannot replace the travel I have purchased, specifically a Caribbean Cruise and a trip to Scandinavia.

  • patathomas

    I rravel out of the country 3 or 4 times a year for curiosity. Having read about how badly travellers are disadvantaged by cruiseline contracts, I made the decision to never travel with one. I do go on a small Finnish expedition ship that is a family operation and that has wonderful continental amenities. After reading about Carnival’s policies for years, I woul stay home rather than give them a dime for anything. Because I travel so much, people come to me for tips. I always discourage people from taking cruises in this hemisphere. I tell them they can go to Europe or Asia with a package that includes air, hotel, and some meals for less money. Read the cruiseline contract. They can cancel, strand you, and do just about anything convenient to them and passengers have no recourse. Screw them…

  • riroon

    I’m going on a cruise in two days, and hope reading this post isn’t a bad omen.

    Anyway, as a guy with two chronic health ailments, and 16 surgeries in the past five years, I DID NOT opt for the travel insurance. However, while not opting for it, I realized it was a big gamble. Carnival had enough clear info on their website for me to know exactly the risk I am taking.

    Fingers crossed, I will be boarding Monday. If something happens in the meantime, I know exactly how much $$ I’ll be losing and I will not be begging Carnival for my risk.

    The guy should just smile, be thankful of Carnival’s efforts to meet him halfway, and rebook ASAP.

  • Joe Farrell

    Seems to me the OP has a claim against the City for the rest if the plywood was wet and there was no place else to walk . . . thats what the city has insurance for.

    That all being said, well, this is another sob story that was created by the assumption of the risk of not being able to travel by the poster. The cruise contracts are pretty clear that once the final payment is made 60 days out- the cruise is NOT REFUNDABLE. Thus, without travel insurance protection you bear the risk of not being able to travel . . .

  • Carlo

    Here’s the thing…out of 3 cruises, I’ve booked 2 online and 1 through an agent. Both times online, I was PROMINENTLY offered insurance. I know all the big online “agents” do this, and I know Carnival does this when you book direct on its site. So it’s highly unlikely Mr. Allen wasn’t offered insurance – he simply didn’t buy it, thinking like most folks that he wouldn’t need it. It was a gamble that he lost.

    Here’s the other thing…if he had read his cruise documents, it states very clearly on which dates how much of a refund you can get if you cancel – 100% before X days before sailing, 50% between X and Y days before sailing, No refund after Y. In fact, if memory serves, that information is stated in several places, including a spot or two during the booking process.

    It’s not that I’m unsympathetic to his situation. I might have written to the cruise line myself and explained the situation to see if there was anything they would be willing to do for me. And I am impressed that Carnival had a heart about it. Yes, he will have to spend more money with the cruise line to use his credit, but $545 is a HUGE credit. Remember, that’s half a cruise. They didn’t legally owe him a penny. I thought that was a very nice goodwill gesture. On the other hand, while I might have written to the cruise line myself in the same situation, I actually have never taken a cruise without insurance. And this is a nice reminder why.

    So I say Mr. Allen was in the wrong about his situation, I think Chris is wrong to be unhappy with the resolution, and kudos to Carnival for their generosity on this one.

  • Andrea

    @ Ed

    I think the difference has to do with overbooking practices. Airlines and hotels regularly overbook seats and rooms. They do this because they are aware that people cancel or just don’t show up, and they are banking on those cancellations. Those that don’t refund cancellations are essentially making double the money on that seat or room. Particularly in exceptional circumstances, you can then make the argument that the airline or hotel should refund the customer’s money, because they are probably not actually taking a loss on the seat or room.

    Hotels and airlines can overbook because it is usually possible to reschedule some passengers on a later flight or different airline, or walk the customer to a different hotel if there aren’t enough cancellations. Cruise lines don’t have that option. There probably aren’t other cruise ships making the exact same trip at the exact same time that they can send the extra customers to. As a result, when a customer doesn’t show up, for whatever reason, they are losing money, because there is little to no chance that they will rebook the cabin before the ship sails. As pointed out by other posters, the cruise line has already bought the food, and scheduled staff based on the expected number of travellers. They are going to lose money on that room.

    I think that’s the difference. The customer was offered travel insurance and didn’t buy it. The cruise line gave them a 50% credit if they book another cruise. Considering that the contract clearly states that they have a no refund policy, and that by giving the credit (if the customer rebooks) they will lose money on the cabin on the future cruise, they were very generous with the customer. I think that’s why people seem less than sympathetic for this traveller’s situation, when they might have been more outraged if it was an airline or hotel that refused a refund.