Ticked at seat kickers

Who owns the space between airline seats – you or the passenger in front of you?

It’s not an academic question for a traveler like Dean Burri. At 6-foot-3 and 325 pounds, he can hardly debate the finer points of law with a passenger in front of him who leans back.

“I make a quick yell when they recline and say something like, ‘Hey, that won’t work – those are my knees,’” he says. “They usually don’t argue.”

But in this summer season of overbooked flights and scarce seat pitch, not everyone is being cooperative, particularly if they’re in front of someone less persuasive than Burri. So frustrated air travelers are fighting back.

Kicking back, to be exact.

Maura Kayal, a bruised passenger on a Virgin Atlantic flight, first brought this jarring trend to my attention. A traveler “forcefully kicked the back of my chair” when she tried to recline on a recent trip, Kayal reported.

I asked around and found out that her punting passenger incident wasn’t an isolated case. More than ever, people are getting pushed, booted or nudged in the derriere by fellow travelers.

The most common – and least offensive – variety of this is the simple blocking maneuver. Jim McDonough, a 6-foot-1 computer programmer from Richardson, Texas, says he places his knees “firmly against the seat in front of me” to prevent someone from leaning into what he considers his personal space. “Most of the time they just think the seat doesn’t recline,” he says.

Next is the nudge. Being slightly more than 6-foot-1 myself, I’ve experienced this a time or two during the last few months. Once, a woman sitting behind me decided I wasn’t entitled to lean my seat back at all, even though the person in front of me had decided to recline completely, so she kneed me in the spine at regular intervals until I surrendered my seat to its upright position.

Finally, there’s the violent outburst that Kayal experienced. Strictly speaking, they could be classified as bona fide air rage incidents, exacerbated, perhaps, by luggage problems or delayed flights. But mostly, it’s the fact that standard economy-class seats – except for those in the back and near emergency exits, which don’t go back at all – recline by about 18 degrees. That translates into as little as 26 inches of wiggle room for the seat behind you, which is almost enough to leave anyone kicking mad.

“The question I’ve never been able to get answered regarding seat kickers is this one: Does the person behind you have a right to demand that you not put your seat back?” asks Ron Lieber, a magazine writer who lives in Brooklyn. “Whose space is it, anyway?”

Good question. There are no hard and fast rules regarding the personal space on commercial aircraft. The United States government regulates the seats in emergency exit rows, but other than that, Uncle Sam is laissez faire when it comes to leg room.

So is the Air Transport Association, a trade organization representing the major U.S. airlines. The Washington-based group does not have a formal policy regarding the allotment of personal space to economy-class passengers, nor has it issued any guidelines for mediating seating-related disputes between travelers.

“We let our members decide what to do on a case-by case basis,” says ATA spokeswoman Diana Cronan.

“It depends on whether I’m the guy leaning back or whether I’m the guy with the knees,” jokes Allan McArtor, president of the startup Legend Airlines. It’s easy for him to laugh, since his airline seats features a generous 46 inches of pitch, thereby eliminating the kneeing problem.

“I suppose when you’re paying $1,500 per ticket and sitting in economy class, you can get pretty jealous about the space,” he adds. “I think if I were to side with anyone, it would be with the guy with the knees. If there’s someone behind you with long legs, you shouldn’t lean back, out of courtesy.”

In a previous column, I suggested that airlines ought to lock the seats in the upright position and be done with it. By scrapping the “sit back, relax and enjoy the flight” nonsense and bolting the seats at 35 degrees we’d at least eliminate the seat-pounding problems.

For anyone concerned about getting drawn into these midair melees over space, the locked steerage seats would be good news.

“Right now it seems as though the recliners have the rights and the workers are out of luck,” says Virginia Dudley, a Denver computer consultant. “When someone reclines their seat, I can’t open my laptop on my tray.”

But will the carriers ever stop the dreaded “domino effect” in the main cabin? Probably not. Seat kicking hasn’t become enough of a problem to warrant any action – after all, it hasn’t interfered with an airline’s ability to make money yet.

If it ever does, I’m sure my modest proposal to end the reclining seats will be implemented. On the double.

How to prevent yourself from becoming a seat “kicking” victim – and what to do if you feel like booting the passenger in front of you?

- Ask before you lean back.

- If the answer is no, try to find a seat with no one behind it.

- If the answer is yes, don’t lean back all the way.

- If someone leans into your personal space, tell him or her – politely.

- No response? Then try to move to a seat with more legroom.

- If that’s not possible, call a flight attendant and ask for help.

- Still not happy? Then take names and contact the service desk after landing.

- Avoid kicking or kneeing the passenger in front of you, even if you feel it’s deserved.



  • Eric Taylor

    I’ve got one better. I’ve been kicked in the back when I specifically chose a seat that had no one behind it.

    On my last flight to JFK from LHR, I chose the next to last row, aisle seat, port. It was three seats wide, and the row behind me had only two- no seat behind mine. I figured great, no worries about reclining complaints.

    The two girls who sat behind me, both in their 20′s, with their hello kitty stuffed dolls (need I say more?) decided to have a slumber paty, and literally rested their feet on top of my headrest. When I turned around, giving my best look of surprise, they took them down, and then wedged them into the space between the seats in the armrests.

    As they fell asleep, the one in their aisle seat (our middle seat) had sleep twitches.. and her knee kept hitting the back of my chair. My complaints to the attendant fell on deaf ears. I’m a fairly big man (6’3″ and 260 lbs) and an amateur bodybuilder. I didn’t want to confront the ladies in question to avoid intimidation claims. I got up to use the bathroom, and I overheard the attendant complain to the others “That guy? I hope he doesn’t get steroid rage..” At that point, I stepped into view. The embarrassed silence was deafening, but enjoyable.

    I truly sympathise with attendants. I’ve seen cases where passengers have been undeservedly rude, and I’ve actually confronted passengers over their behaviour to them. I’ve worked in customer services all my life.

    In most industries, there are standards for the work environment to protect their workers. By reducing the seat pitch to ridiculous numbers, they are neglecting the work environment of their workers, raising the tangible stress level to unfortunate extremes.

  • Phil

    If the seats were not meant to recline then they would not, since they do then too bad for the person sitting behind, it’s my right to use the seat as I wish, if they don’t like it then they can recline also to give them more room.

  • http://twitter.com/DonNadeau Don Nadeau

    Love that @allegiantair seats do not recline (at least on the planes I’ve been on). Its fees are another matter.

  • fedup

    Airline travel has become a shit show. People are rude and will talk on cell phones oblivious to other passangers. The seat recline is just another stupid example of poor design.

  • ami

    I agree with Phil. It’s not pleasant to have someone’s seat recline into “your space” but essentially you are paying for an economy seat and should be able to recline for a little added comfort, especially on long haul flights.

    Can you imagine if everyone had to ask for permission to recline? How would a flight attendant handle those confrontations? Or if your seat were sat behind a reclining chair, but the person behind you refuses to allow you to do the same. Kick my chair and I will turn around and tell YOU off for being rude and then tell the flight staff for being aggressive.

    As for your laptop, take it into business class. The first priority is safety, then comfort, not how many emails you can fire off on your flight.

  • http://twitter.com/w_jackson w_jackson

    Finally someone who thinks like I do and is not afraid to post it. I have sometimes approached the person in front of me at the beginning of the flight asking them that if they are going to recline to please let me know since my laptop will likely be open and I don’t want to break it. The result is often no reclining and no confrontation.

    I’ve always thought that the airlines should change the seat designs so that when you”recline” you shift the bottom of your seat forward keeping the top of the seat back just where it was.

    You are thus using your “own” space differently (i.e. less room for your knees, feet in return for the recline in the seat)

    yes, a more complicated (and probably heavier) seat design, but one that would make a lot more passengers happy.

  • Frequent Frequent Flyer

    Ask for a bag of peanuts or that cat food they give as a free snack. Chew until finely ground, then sneeze into the persons hair who has insisted on reclining their seat into you. They’ll move really fast. If you don’t have any snacks just sneeze, it still gets their attention. If they fly into a rage it is obvious to anyone that sees it that they went berserk. If your luck you might even get a bonus-passenger ejection!

  • JLeeWilson

    Just aim the cold air vents right at the recliner’s head. Most of the time they don’t even know why they are uncomfortable and move the seat back up. The only time it got testy was with a guy who was sitting the exit row of all places.

    In my experience tall people are more attuned to this issue than short ones. I suspect that they just don’t realize how uncomfortable they are making the person behind them. Or perhaps the short folks realize this is one area of life where they can strike back at the tyranny of the tall.

    Normally if I think the person is an amateur I’ll tap them on the shoulder right up front and politely ask them not to recline all the way. 99 out of a 100 people react well to being asked nicely.

    FWIW I never recline – even when someone like Phil is in front of me.

  • J

    This post is nearly 13 years old…

  • tom

    this guy is only six feet and regularly falls asleep on planes, regardless of duration, and disturbances from seat knockers. recline! the pitch? youre not minut bol, dude. slide your legs down so your feet are under the chair, einstein relax and shut up. if you dont like it, buy the fare in front of you like the real bigguns’ have to. nation of whiners.

  • Kat

    Best solution of all is to mandate that the airlines leave more space between seats…period!

  • FlyingBlueCat&

    same story w/Spirit. To get over all the hassles, I started flying 1st class about 7 yrs ago.

  • juls

    i have back injuries from breaking it in several places a few years back, the only way I can sit for any longer than 20 minutes is reclined back due to my extensive lumbar injuries. In my experience on most occasions people choose to assault instead of asking me to sit up. Boy, would I love to turn around and slap them :)