Telling airline time

When it comes to travel, there’s airline time, and then there’s actual time.

It’s an alternate reality that Evan Myrianthopoulos learned about on a recent American Airlines flight from Los Angeles to JFK. The New York-based executive checked in early for his transcontinental flight and then strolled over to a newsstand to catch up on some reading. When he came back, nine minutes before the flight was scheduled to leave, gate agents had already closed the door and wouldn’t let him board.

“But the plane was still there,” he remembers. “I said, ‘What’s going on here? Can you open the door and let me on the plane?’ The agent said he needed to check with the pilot. A few minutes later, the plane pulled away. I couldn’t believe it. I was shocked.”

Myrianthopoulos wasn’t the victim of an overzealous ground crew or a coldhearted pilot, as you might suspect. Instead, his plane left early because of a focus group.

“Our own customer surveys continually show that travelers are much more concerned about an on-time departure,” says American spokesman Tim Smith. “Think about your last trip – the moment you feel the aircraft start to back off the gate, what do you see most the people around you do? They look at their watch and make mental note of whether they’re leaving on time or nearly so. I know I do it, and I see those around me doing the same.

“Those same surveys tell us customers feel on-time departure is most important because it at least gets them going on schedule and usually results in a decent arrival time, too.”

Sure enough, American’s leave-early policy out of LAX is paying off. Of the four major carriers to service the west-to-east route during the last two years, American flew the most flights per week, and its flights arrived an average of three minutes early, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Flights by TWA and United arrived in New York an average of five minutes late, while Delta’s arrived an average of almost eight minutes late.

All well and good, but, when an airline says its flight leaves at a given time, what does that mean now? That the doors close at the stated departure time, that they may close at any moment after the check-in deadline (generally 10 minutes before departure for domestic flights, 30 minutes for international flights)?

I asked the DOT to comment on this apparent rift in the time continuum. Don Bright, the Bureau of Transportation Statistics’ data administration chief, says his agency requires airlines to report departure and arrival times. The government also mandates that airlines notify passengers when they must check in to make the flight.

Just because a flight is scheduled to depart at a given time doesn’t mean the crew has to keep the doors open until that point, says DOT spokesman Bill Mosley. “We would not consider it deceptive if the carrier left after its check-in deadline,” he says.

Translation: Airline time is OK with Uncle Sam. What’s not OK is how American handled the Myrianthopoulos incident.

American, for its part, didn’t want to talk about it.

“I have no specific knowledge of the incident cited by your reader,” says Smith, “and have no desire to debate what may have happened and who said what to whom that day.”

Myrianthopoulos says he got the runaround from American when he tried to find out why it wouldn’t let him on the plane.

“The staff said that there were signs at the gates saying that boarding closes 10 minutes prior to departure,” he says. “But there were no signs anywhere.”

An airline supervisor refused to rebook him on a Continental flight to New York which left an hour later, so Myrianthopoulos had to wait six hours at LAX for the next American flight – the redeye. To make matters worse, he had to attend a board meeting the following morning.

“I got one hour of sleep that night,” the irritated executive says, adding, “I’ve told my travel agent that I’m never going to fly American again. They don’t care about their passengers.”

Perhaps American Airlines could have handled his grievance more competently. But it’s tough to argue with a carrier when it’s doing what its passenger surveys tell it to do, even if it means running the clocks a little early and leaving some of us behind.

I guess travelers should be careful what they ask for.



  • Michele N

    I missed a United flight out of Milwaukee the same way last year. I arrived at the gate 15 minutes before departure time. They had just closed the door and would not reopen it. The attendant told me their policy was to close it 15 minutes ahead for security reasons. The other passengers were still in line in the corridor. I had to watch them board and leave. I was able to get on stand by the next flight. What really urked me was that as I sat in my seat, literally 5 minutes before the flight was scheduled to leave, they let another woman on the plane. How can that be ok? United can’t even be consistent in their “policy” an hour later?

  • http://BangkokAtoZ.com Mekhong Kurt

    I had a particularly distasteful experience some years ago when I was flying from Bangkok to Los Angeles on Eva Air.

    I arrived at the airport way too early, but went through immigration and customs formalities straight away so as to be in the international departure area. My boarding pass had a note boarding “began” — but wasn’t required — 40 minutes ahead of the scheduled departure.

    However, by then already a seasoned traveler out of Bangkok, I knew that was nonsense. The airlines also routinely said to arrive “at least two hours early” for any international flight, when, typically, the check-in counters opened a maximum of about an hour ahead of time. Similarly, if you did go to the gate the advised time, no one was *ever* there to let you process in until well after that.

    Anyway, I was wandering around the international departure duty-free area, which had a public address system that was mostly incomprehensible. As I was walking around two Eva employees came striding along calling out my name, almost half an hour before departure. I went to them, and they curtly told me everyone else had arrived early so I had to come right now. Because of their attitude, I objected, though I did go along to the gate. But there, people were still boarding, so I told them I’d board just before boarding and that they would be well-advised not to stop me (which they didn’t). They fumed and glared at me — until a batch of about 15 passengers arrived some 10 minutes before departure and boarded without incident. I strolled up to the 2 employees and asked, “So, all the passengers besides me were already aboard, huh? Good thing *I* waited so you didn’t leave *dozens* of paying passengers behind, isn’t it???”

    Now let me be fair. That’s absolutely the ONLY problem I’ve ever had with Eva; I think it’s a great airline. But that incident sure stuck in my craw.

  • Anne

    You know you need to get on the flight. All airports have a frequently repeated message saying that flights close before departure, don’t be late, don’t miss your flight. When it is getting close to time for boarding to start, you really ought to be at the gate. That is the time to eat the food you bought, read a book or make that “I’m getting on the plane” phone call. That is NOT the time to be off browsing in the stores. I agree with American here. If he had been delayed through no fault of his own it would be different but being absent less than 10 minutes before the flight is supposed to leave? The flight attendants do need time to be sure everyone is seated, give the safety speech and secure luggage bins. The whole flight shouldn’t have to wait for someone who gets bored to easily to wait to board.
    I have been the person let onto a closed flight. I was caught in a security traffic jam when 4 international flights landed at the same time. They prioritized the people on the flights that left the soonest but all of our connections left within a hour of each other. I was literally the very last person through. They held the flight, picked up my carry-on and literally ran with me to the gate. Thank you Narita Airport Staff! I really appreciate it, even if all the other travelers did have to wait a whole 11 minutes for me. The next flight to Singapore didn’t leave for another 14 hours which would mean I had to sleep in the international terminal OR find lodging in a country with pricey taxis and a language I don’t speak. I think it was fair. The inconvenience of holding the plane was less than the inconvenience that I would have been put through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/julie.kohayaleonard Julie Kohaya-Leonard

    Ugh…just got back from the airport. I arrived 25 minutes before stated flight time, but doors were already sealed. I arrived an hour before at gate, but meanwhile got a water, snack, used lavatories. They changed departure time 15 minutes earlier while i was gone and gave away my seat when I wasn’t present 15 minutes before the new earlier flight time. I had never missed a flight in 23 years of flying. I was in pure shock. I was put on standby 5 times and never made it on board. I went home in dispair. My luggage was in Chicago, but not me. A missed trade show, thousands of dollars in missed revenue, I will never fly American again.

  • Russ

    I have had nothing but problems with American. Massive flight delays, early cabin door closure, and rude gate and cabin attendants. The last one I don’t fault them for so much, because I can only image that once your company has tortured the customer so much that all you get all day is griping. Regardless, I will not fly with them again under any circumstances.

  • Russ

    I have had nothing but problems with American. Massive flight delays, early cabin door closure, and rude gate and cabin attendants. The last one I don’t fault them for so much, because I can only image that once your company has tortured the customer so much that all you get all day is griping. Regardless, I will not fly with them again under any circumstances.