American bumped their four-year-old and then it downgraded the rest of the family

How egregious can an airline’s actions get before it fails to deliver on its contract?

That’s what Gloria Howard wants to know in our latest tale from the help forum.

The normal disclaimer applies here: We have neither asked nor received a statement from the airline about this.

It all started with a little pixie dust. Howard and her husband decided to take their grandsons, 4 and 8, on a Disney cruise. To add to the fun, they purchased four first-class, round trip tickets from St. Louis to Miami on American Airlines.

Sounds like a perfect trip in the making.

But the magic faded shortly after arriving at the St. Louis airport. Due to maintenance delays, the family was moved from one flight to a later flight, and then back to their original flight. In the middle of that, they lost their first class seats and had to ride in coach to Miami.

It only got worse. Somewhere in the airplane shuffle, their luggage didn’t make it and they went two days without it.

You would really think that American couldn’t possibly mess up their trip home worse than their trip down. But for once, they exceeded expectations.

Howard tells the story the best.

When I left the Miami International Airport, we were all four still on the same flight record with seats 2 a,c,d and f. However, on the Saturday before our Sunday flight, the cruise line checked us in.

I got back to my stateroom and looked at the boarding passes, there were only three. There was no boarding pass for Ryder, our four-year-old.

We started working on this problem Saturday afternoon on the ship. We were still working with American Airlines trying to get this taken care of while we sailed out to international water.

They finally told our purser that Ryder had a seat blocked for him and we would need to go to the ticket counter to get it.

That’s right. AA had decided that their four-year-old grandson didn’t need to fly home with the rest of the family.

The situation only got worse at the airport.

Well, my gut feeling caused me no sleep Saturday night and we left the ship early to get the boarding pass. Once at the ticket counter, the agent stated there were no seats available, I would have to check in with the gate agent, who is not available until an hour before flight.

We went downstairs to the gate and spoke with the agent that was working another flight out of our gate. She stated that the flight was overbooked and perhaps I could get something done through customer service.

I left my husband and grandsons at the gate and off to the customer service desk I went. I stood in line. Once I got up to the desk and explained my situation, they stated there was nothing they could do when a flight is overbooked.

I asked to speak with a supervisor. Amilia came down about 20 minutes later and was very rude and hostile. I asked her to look at my flight record and the printout we had, she said no. She was not looking at anything and said there was nothing that could be done.

I then asked to speak with her manager.

He was nice, looked over my paperwork and stated that the computer will pick out the passengers when a flight is overbooked. He did get us another seat in coach.

American’s response to not delivering the first class seats they paid for, much less the horrible service? $165 per person in vouchers for the trip down and $250 in vouchers for Ryder for the trip back.

So, the airline’s response to not providing the service you contracted for is … airline funny money.

Now, the difference in airfare between their first class airfare and the coach airfare when they paid it — not the airline’s funny math trick where they subtract your first class airfare from the full coach or walk up fare — plus the vouchers would have been fair.

Vouchers are for customer service errors like rude, hostile employees, but not for when you fail to provide a contracted service.

Howard sent American a registered letter, but the company has so far spent its time making excuses and refusing to provide anything but vouchers.

I’m not sure how anyone at American can say it’s acceptable to bump a four-year-old from a plane. I’m not sure how anyone at American can find it acceptable to repeatedly downgrade a family on their vacation.

But maybe you can help us understand. Join us in our help forum to help us help Howard resolve this.

Is this airline downgrade disaster a lost cause?

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I’ve been struggling with this case for months and am about to place it in the “can’t be fixed” file. But before I do, I wanted to run it past you.

This one’s got it all: peculiar airline math, an intransigent online travel agency, a credit card dispute and, of course, a referral to a collection agency.

But I don’t want to get ahead of myself. Meet Steve Cary, who was flying from San Francisco to Shanghai last March. He’d booked his reservation through Orbitz on a US Airways flight operated by EVA Airways.
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Case dismissed: They downgraded Dad and now they’re ignoring me

Sriram Singa paid $929 for a business class ticket from Chennai to Kuala Lumpur on Malaysia Airlines.

It’s not that Singa demands first-class treatment. The ticket was for his father, who suffers from back problems, and on the 1,615-mile flight, he needed the room.

But he didn’t get it.

“On the return leg, my father was downgraded to economy due to an equipment change,” says Singa. “The agent at the airport wouldn’t give my father a refund or any compensation for the downgrade, instead telling him to contact his travel agent.”

That would be Expedia.
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Are car rental companies downgrading their categories to rev up revenues?


P.J. Zornosa is a longtime Alamo Rent a Car customer. He knows what to ask for when he’s renting a car, and knows what to expect. Or at least, he thought he did.

This week, Zornosa rented a midsize car from Alamo. But instead of being given the key to a Pontiac G6 “or similar” he was offered a Volkswagen Beetle. Could that be correct?

I inquired as to how could a Beetle be a “midsize.” I was defensively told that it and the Toyota Corolla were midsize cars. They said, “I don’t determine the classification of cars and their size.”

Zornosa is right. Even VW classifies its Beetle as a compact car.

Are car rental companies quietly changing their categories to make more money? An Alamo spokeswoman denies it.

Alamo has always classified the Volkswagen Beetle as a midsize car. No changes at all. However, car classes obviously are subject to change — as fleets change over time, criteria may be revised here and there. Also, while there are some similarities among car rental companies’ classifications, there are also differences.

If you’ve seen a car rental category downgrade in the recent past, .

Walking down: 5 tips for avoiding the latest hotel scam

Jack Taras and his friends thought they would be checking in to the Occidental Grand hotel on the Dominican Republic’s postcard-perfect Eastern shore for Spring Break. But when Taras, a 19-year-old sophomore from Providence College, arrived at the resort, he was greeted with the hotel industry’s latest trick: he was walked down.

“They were sent to hotel that wasn’t as nice,” says his father, John Taras. He phoned his son’s online travel agency,, and asked about the downgrade, which lasted the full five nights of Jack’s stay. It deferred to the hotel, which offered an apology and a vague explanation of a “computer mishap” that resulted in an overbooking.

“Walking” is a practice that’s as old as the hotel industry. When a resort is overbooked, it typically sends a guest to a comparable property, covering the cost of transportation, a phone call and accommodations. But somewhere along the way — probably at the start of the current recession — the word “comparable” was conveniently dropped, and hotels quietly began sending guests to lesser properties.

That’s not supposed to happen, according to Joseph McInerney, president and CEO of the American Hotel & Lodging Association, a trade group. “It’s most often the hotel’s policy that guests are provided accommodations in a facility of equal quality,” he told me. “The last thing that a property wants to happen is to compound the problem by sending the guest to an unacceptable facility.”

But problems are being compounded. That’s the bad news. There’s also some good news: Walking doesn’t happen as often as it did before the economy started going soft. The latest lodging industry forecasts predict more empty rooms in the months ahead, in an historic downturn that a recent PKF Hospitality Research study predicted would be “deeper and last longer” than previously thought. “With lower occupancy rates, I’m sure hotels are not having to walk as many guests,” says Robert Mandelbaum, PKF’s director of research information services.

The Occidental Grand offered Taras a voucher for a two-night stay, which he doesn’t want, and has told him his case is being escalated to a supervisor. I contacted both the resort and the site on Taras’ behalf, but neither has responded.

It’s easy to understand why a hotel would want to walk a guest “down” when it’s overbooked. The property must cover the cost of your room when you’re “walked” and even though it often pays a discounted industry rate, it can save a few bucks by sending you to a lesser property and pocketing the difference.

Question is: what to do when it happens to you? Here are a few tips for guests who have been walked:

1. Refuse the room
Richard Carson wishes he’d done that when a four-star hotel in San Diego decided to downgrade him to a motel recently. “We arrived about 3 p.m. and were told we had no room, because 15 guests had decided to prolong their stay,” he says. “I’m sure that if I had been a no-show, they would have pocketed our deposits, even though there were no rooms available.”

He’s right. If Carson had politely stood his ground, pointing out his guaranteed reservation for a medical convention that had blocked hundreds of rooms at the same property, he probably would have been sent to a better hotel, if not offered a room at that one.

“The next time, I will simply start disrobing in the lobby, and wait for them to suddenly find a room,” he jokes. Now there’s an idea.

2. Know what’s happening behind the scenes
When someone tells you they’re out of rooms, it doesn’t necessarily mean the hotel is full. It just means there’s no room for you.

“It’s totally political,” says Kitty Cayo, who used to walk people for a hotel in the Midwest that she prefers not to name. “No frequent-stayer status? Walked. Not a corporate client? Good-bye. Booked through central reservations and an infrequent pleasure traveler? Hasta la vista.” She says at times there were rooms available, but they were being held for a VIP or two, “who managers hoped like hell were going to show up.”

Knowing that full doesn’t always mean “full” can be useful when you’re negotiating the terms of your walking papers. If a hotel employee admits that a few rooms are being held for late-arriving VIPs, you might talk your way into a better hotel.

3. Invoke your status
Speaking of which, if you’re a frequent guest, and you’re in danger of being walked down, this would be a good time to whip out your program membership card.

When Lyn Greenhill tried to check in at a Hilton Garden Inn recently, and was sent to “some other property I’ve never heard of,” he called the Hilton HHonors phone line. As a gold-level member of its frequent-stayer program, Greenhill had more clout than the average guest.

Like it or not, better customers are often singled out for preferred treatment, so having a card can protect you against a walk and a downgrade. But it’s no guarantee. A Hilton representative said the best it could do for Greenhill was to offer him a room at the Garden Inn the next day. So he phoned the nearby Marriott property, which had room.

4. Crack a joke
No, seriously.

That’s what Jonathan Yarmis did when a Marriott property in Los Angeles tried to walk him to a less desirable hotel. “What would you do if J.W. Marriott were in town?” he asked the clerk. “Well, I’m sure we’d find Mr. Marriott something,” the employee responded. “Well,” said Yarmis, “I have it on good authority that he’s not coming — and I’ll take his room.” The clerk laughed and asked him to wait a minute. “Sure enough, they found a room,” he recalls.

Moral of the story? There’s always a room or, at the very least, it’s someone else’s problem.

5. Be nice
It may make the difference between a downgrade and an upgrade.

When Anne Wiggins checked into a luxury hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica, a receptionist told there was no room at the inn. “I asked what the problem was and they said the education convention was still in progress and no rooms were available,” recalls Wiggins, a retired college administrator. She politely asked to speak with a manager, who declared, “No problema” and ordered an employee to walk her to a condo. “What a lovely place,” she remembers. “It had two bedrooms, each with its own bath, a kitchen, dining room and living room. There was a gorgeous view out each window. We stayed there for several days and were not charged extra.”

Being nice is your most effective weapon against an involuntary downgrade. Niceness often trumps status and hotel employees can — and frequently do — go out of their way for a friendly guest.

Ideally, when a hotel runs out of rooms, it should do everything it can to make you happy. Right down to the last detail.

Consider what the Sheraton Old San Juan did for Clyde Permenter when it couldn’t accommodate him. “They reserved a room at the DoubleTree, paid for it, paid for my taxi fares, for a complimentary buffet breakfast and returned my deposit,” he recalls. When he returned the next week after a cruise, he was upgraded to a suite. “What more could they have done?” he asks.

Until every hotel guest is “walked” like Permenter, these tips will ensure you get what you paid for.

Downgraded without a refund

Question: I’m having a problem with an involuntary downgrade. I bought a ticket on Virgin Atlantic Airways last March to fly from New York to London in premium economy class. When I arrived at the airport, Virgin canceled my flight but rebooked me on the next flight out on British Airways.

When I was issued my new ticket, it was in economy class. I tried to explain I should’ve been booked in the same class — in this case, World Traveller Plus — but British Airways wanted to charge me extra for it.

I’ve complained to Virgin that I should’ve at least been issued a partial refund, but haven’t heard anything. Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated. — James Simon, New York

Answer: Virgin should have either put you in the British Airways equivalent of premium economy class or refunded the price difference between the tickets.

But that’s easier said than done. Even though Virgin’s premium economy and British Airways’ World Traveller are essentially the same products — they have roughly the same amenities and services, including in-flight entertainment, meals and seats with about the same amount of space — the airlines treat the products differently in their reservations system.

It turns out you were holding a discounted ticket for Virgin Atlantic’s premium cabin. When the time came to transfer your ticket to British Airways, the airline bought you a seat in the equivalent class for that fare — which was economy class.

That’s understandable from an airline’s perspective, but I think someone should have taken the time to explain why you were being downgraded. Virgin Atlantic could have also found a way of making this up to you, either by crediting miles to your frequent flier account or by offering you a flight voucher.

Instead, you were unceremoniously sent to the back of the plane. And when you asked for compensation, you were ignored.

How could you have prevented this? I think the ideal time to resolve a problem like this is at the ticket counter, not after you land. When you saw the involuntary downgrade, you should have protested the seat reassignment politely, but firmly. As far as I can tell, Virgin’s customer contract doesn’t specifically address a downgrade such as the one you encountered. However, the fine print seems to suggest that you should be sitting in the class of service for which you paid.

I contacted Virgin on your behalf, and a representative promised to offer you $250 in ticket vouchers or 25,000 miles. It also assured me your frequent flier account would be credited with the miles, as if you had flown on Virgin instead of British Airways.

Too bad the story doesn’t end there. A month later, you had received nothing. I contacted Virgin again. It didn’t respond. So you threatened to take the company to small claims court.

Finally, the airline sent you a belated apology, depositing the promised 25,000 miles into your account and crediting you with the miles for the flights. Better late than never.