If you love the TSA, read this story

It happened again.

At a time when the federal agency assigned to protect America’s transportation systems can least afford it, there was another dust-up involving a young passenger — this time to Lucy Forck, a three-year-old with spina bifida flying to Disney World with her family.

When the little girl in a wheelchair is pulled over for a pat-down, her mother starts taping the procedure on her phone, which is permitted.

“It’s illegal to do that,” an agent says off camera, as Lucy sobs.

“I don’t wanna go to Disneyworld,” the girl cries.

After a 20-minute delay, the family was allowed to board their flight. The TSA eventually issued a tepid apology. The agency watchdog site TSA News Blog documented the controversy and added its two cents.

“The tactics here are insensitive and unkind on their face, as well as pointless,” wrote blogger Deborah Newell Tornello. “Not only is this little girl so obviously terrified to the point of crying out loud, and desperately upset that her comfort toy — her stuffed animal — is being taken away, she is distraught that her parents’ attempts to protect her are being summarily ignored.”

And that’s where it would have probably ended. Except that another site, which is probably best described as “pro” TSA, caught wind of the post and the predictable outrage being generated in the comments.

And it had a very different perspective.

“If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times,” the blogger wrote on a Boston-area sports site. “There is no bigger supporter of TSA on the planet than me. I’m team TSA loud and proud. I pretty much side with them 1,000 percent of the time in situations like these. And guess what? I’m siding with them again here.”

The Boston sports fans collided with the civil liberties activists on TSA News, creating a digital mushroom cloud. Eventually, the comment thread had to be shut down.

Where did these apologists come from?

It would be tempting to dismiss these TSA defenders as nothing more than social media plants paid by the Department of Homeland Security to rally support for a demoralized TSA. But that explanation would be too simplistic.

While there’s plenty of evidence that the American federal government is actively engaged in blogging and other forms of social media, it’s also an undeniable fact that some air travelers stand behind anything the TSA does — no matter how ill-advised or constitutionally problematic.

One of those voices belongs to travel guidebook personality Arthur Frommer, who comes to the TSA’s defense at regular intervals.

“We should be grateful to have a serious, dedicated TSA working hard to prevent terrorists from taking weapons onto a passenger airplane and seizing control of it,” he wrote on his blog recently. Frommer has also dismissed the TSA’s critics as “alarmist” and “sensation-seeking.”

Is there common ground?

Are these TSA defenders right? Are the agency’s critics just a small group of activists hell bent on letting the terrorists incinerate another plane over America’s skies?

I don’t believe so. Based on the support and readership of my TSA coverage, and the many other critical voices that cast doubt on the agency’s current procedures, I’m fairly certain that the “Team TSA” passengers are a misunderstood minority.

What’s more, I think they can be persuaded to come over to the right side — to “Team Passenger” (which, parenthetically, the TSA should be on, too). Their arguments come unraveled after just a few short minutes of dialogue.

Read the comments on the TSA News story for an example. The agency’s defenders insist that if we don’t remain vigilant, we will have another 9/11 on our hands, which is a fair point. But then they suggest that bending the Constitution and the law in order to achieve security is justified, and that the proof this questionable strategy has worked is 11 years without another terrorist bombing.

The TSA critics reply with cold logic. If you start reinterpreting the Constitution and passing laws that infringe on our basic rights as Americans, it’s a slippery slope, they say. And besides, the absence of another 9/11-style attack doesn’t necessarily mean that the present measures have been effective; it’s possible that the terrorists are just looking elsewhere to inflict damage.

The response? Personal attacks, which is what TSA apologists like to use as a weapon of last resort. They call the activists “cowards” and paint them with a broad brush of unpatriotism, or worse. That’s because they’ve effectively lost the debate.

Maybe you shouldn’t make generalizations about TSA supporters based on the rants of a Boston sports blog, but you certainly can get a feel for where they’re coming from. They just don’t understand how anyone could question an agency that’s ostensibly there for our own protection.

And yet, there’s also common ground. When we fly, both the activist and apologist are on the same plane. But one group feels that as long as the flight lands safely, every step that was taken by the TSA is justified. The other believes how we arrive safely does matter.

And patting down three-year-olds in a wheelchair is not acceptable, say critics.

It’s hard to argue against that.

Should the TSA pat down kids in a wheelchair?

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  • Jill_Ion

    No.

  • http://twitter.com/litbrit Deborah N. Tornello

    “[...] the Muslim terrorists (are there any other kind?)”

    Actually, there are several other kinds, and they’ve wrought far more havoc right here in America than you seem to be aware of.

    Off the top of my head, there’s Timothy McVeigh, a nice blue-eyed white boy who wanted to terrify everyone into siding with his twisted view of America (you know, like a…terrorist) and did so by blowing up a huge government building in Oklahoma, killing some 160+ people.

    Then there are the countless criminals who bomb women’s clinics and execute doctors, usually by gunshot, in order to sow terror among women and doctors alike–make them too scared to, respectively, seek a legal medical procedure or provide one (you know, like…terrorists).

    Furthermore, once the TSA decides it’s going to paw your children, you’re not allowed to touch, reach out to, or otherwise comfort the frightened child. Take it from me, a mother who’s had her *arm* smacked away by one of these thugs.

    I’m the author of the original post Chris references above. The family had already cleared security and were going “on their way”. Their belongings, including the stuffed lambie, had already been “metal checked” along with the family themselves and their bags. TSA decided to pull them aside for additional groping and bullying. Yes, that’s what it was. And they would not permit the mother to carry the child through the metal detector again, nor would they permit the parents to film them, despite it being perfectly legal.

    You’re suggesting that all parents should just bow down and allow people they’ve never met to do things to their children that are frightening at best, illegal and unconstitutional at worst, all in the name of security theater and making the gullible anything-to-make-us-feel safe-even-if-it-has-been-proven-ineffective crowd do as they’re told.

    Do you not notice the astoundingly low depths to which we, as a so-called free society and as parents, have sunk? How derelict in our collective duty to uphold some semblance of of the country’s core principles that someone would even *suggest* such a thing–to allow this to be perpetrated against ourselves and our children alike? And for what? For the false promise of security that cannot be guaranteed in toto, no matter what the circumstances–in flight, on the ground, at a football game, in an open field when a thunderstorm approaches, at a restaurant eating food handled by unseen others, and so on and so on?

    Even as the odds of dying in a terrorist incident are so vanishingly small, they barely register on the charts, especially when compared to the likelihood that you will die in an automobile crash, an accident in the shower, a bad case of flu, a bout of food-borne illness, or even out on that open field during a thunderstorm, struck by lightning? I mean, these events claim hundreds of thousands of American lives every YEAR, yet people still drive, still take baths, still eat at restaurants, and still walk around outdoors.

    I will not live in fear, especially not manufactured fear that lines the pockets of charlatans who profit from selling dangerous and ineffective machines with which to strip away our rights as they strip away our clothes. I won’t live in fear that way. And I’m ashamed of the many Americans who do.

  • Jill_Ion

    The only terrorists in this whole wide world are “Muslim?” Flagged that post.

  • Jill_Ion

    The only terrorists in this whole wide world are “Muslim?” Flagged that post.

  • SoBeSparky

    You think you know the entire security system protecting our airliners? You must have the highest security clearances. You think a TSA screener, or even an airport director of security, knows the entire system?

    For anyone to think that what one sees looking around an airport checkpoint is the totality of our security system is simplistic and wrong. The internet, like this open forum, has lots of conjecture. A terrorist would be totally confused by using the internet as a source of the system. Even if they understood all processes in detail does not imply they know the knowledge fed into the system.

    The fact a threat could be used somewhere and the probability they will be are two different considerations. As many have pointed out here, there is no fool-proof system. The government, like private sector businesses, uses risk assessment to narrow the potential field of risks for maximum effectiveness.

    Risk exists in most everything. The effort by everyone, whether conscious or not, is to minimize that risk. It cannot be eliminated.

    Absolutist thinking, the situation is either black or white, does nothing to help protect the individual or the nation. With that thinking you would avoid walking on a sidewalk, for fear of a runaway bus careening into you. Is that a probable situation for which we should wear rear-view mirrors on our head? Of course not. That “safety measure” would be worthless, based on our common sense, and in fact a distraction from real threats immediately on the path in front of us.

    The government, however, uses far more information than common sense to determine probable threats to our national security. It has an intelligence network devoted to such knowledge. While some can mock our intelligence system by anecdotes of well-known foibles, two recent movies about real events, Argo and Zero Dark Thirty, highlighted real-life successes.

    Almost all of the successes must remain secret to preserve the integrity of the system. If you can’t understand why, then it would be futile to try to convince you of most anything.

  • SoBeSparky

    You think you know the entire security system protecting our airliners? You must have the highest security clearances. You think a TSA screener, or even an airport director of security, knows the entire system?

    For anyone to think that what one sees looking around an airport checkpoint is the totality of our security system is simplistic and wrong. The internet, like this open forum, has lots of conjecture. A terrorist would be totally confused by using the internet as a source of the system. Even if they understood all processes in detail does not imply they know the knowledge fed into the system.

    The fact a threat could be used somewhere and the probability they will be are two different considerations. As many have pointed out here, there is no fool-proof system. The government, like private sector businesses, uses risk assessment to narrow the potential field of risks for maximum effectiveness.

    Risk exists in most everything. The effort by everyone, whether conscious or not, is to minimize that risk. It cannot be eliminated.

    Absolutist thinking, the situation is either black or white, does nothing to help protect the individual or the nation. With that thinking you would avoid walking on a sidewalk, for fear of a runaway bus careening into you. Is that a probable situation for which we should wear rear-view mirrors on our head? Of course not. That “safety measure” would be worthless, based on our common sense, and in fact a distraction from real threats immediately on the path in front of us.

    The government, however, uses far more information than common sense to determine probable threats to our national security. It has an intelligence network devoted to such knowledge. While some can mock our intelligence system by anecdotes of well-known foibles, two recent movies about real events, Argo and Zero Dark Thirty, highlighted real-life successes.

    Almost all of the successes must remain secret to preserve the integrity of the system. If you can’t understand why, then it would be futile to try to convince you of most anything.

  • EdB

    “the Muslim terrorists (are there any other kind?)”

    I think someone’s prejudice is showing with that statement. Not all terrorists are Muslim and not all Muslims are terrorists. Non-Muslim terrorists? How about we start with Timothy McVeigh? Throw in a Ted Kaczynski. How about Eric Rudolph?

  • EdB

    “the Muslim terrorists (are there any other kind?)”

    I think someone’s prejudice is showing with that statement. Not all terrorists are Muslim and not all Muslims are terrorists. Non-Muslim terrorists? How about we start with Timothy McVeigh? Throw in a Ted Kaczynski. How about Eric Rudolph?

  • bodega3

    I finally had some time to listen and watch this. I don’t find anything offensive in it. The little girl is upset because of not having her stuff and once she gets them, she is fine. The TSA agent was pleasant, as was the mother. Our two year old cried when TSA took away her stroller to put it through the metal detector. She does that at home when something she wants is taken from her or if she is tired.

  • bodega3

    I finally had some time to listen and watch this. I don’t find anything offensive in it. The little girl is upset because of not having her stuff and once she gets them, she is fine. The TSA agent was pleasant, as was the mother. Our two year old cried when TSA took away her stroller to put it through the metal detector. She does that at home when something she wants is taken from her or if she is tired.

  • Annapolis2

    I can think of a reason why every single person on earth should have a full and complete list of ALL screening measures they must pass to get by TSA: because the TSA claims that by walking up to the checkpoint we have consented to these screening measures. How can I consent? I don’t even know what I’m supposedly consenting to!

    Today, as the law stands, I could walk up to the checkpoint, and the TSA could say that the security measures consist of having to have sex with the dude who stands at the little table checking IDs, and I would have no legal right to say that I refuse to do such a thing and no right to demand to leave the airport rather than submit to such “screening”. Because, you see, I’ve already consented to whatever the TSA wants to do to me. The TSA claims that this is because it can’t allow bad guys and t’rrr’rrsts to abandon the search procedure at the moment they fear discovery. But I claim that I need to know what the screeners want to do to me before I can decide whether I’m willing to let them do it.

    The TSA claimed in court while fighting the EPIC lawsuit that they have the right to require live, in person strip searches. If the TSA demanded to strip search you, SoBeSparky, or to amputate your hand, as part of its “screening” measures, after you have already given up your right to say no, then would you understand the problem with “secret” security measures?

  • Annapolis2

    I can think of a reason why every single person on earth should have a full and complete list of ALL screening measures they must pass to get by TSA: because the TSA claims that by walking up to the checkpoint we have consented to these screening measures. How can I consent? I don’t even know what I’m supposedly consenting to!

    Today, as the law stands, I could walk up to the checkpoint, and the TSA could say that the security measures consist of having to have sex with the dude who stands at the little table checking IDs, and I would have no legal right to say that I refuse to do such a thing and no right to demand to leave the airport rather than submit to such “screening”. Because, you see, I’ve already consented to whatever the TSA wants to do to me. The TSA claims that this is because it can’t allow bad guys and t’rrr’rrsts to abandon the search procedure at the moment they fear discovery. But I claim that I need to know what the screeners want to do to me before I can decide whether I’m willing to let them do it.

    The TSA claimed in court while fighting the EPIC lawsuit that they have the right to require live, in person strip searches. If the TSA demanded to strip search you, SoBeSparky, or to amputate your hand, as part of its “screening” measures, after you have already given up your right to say no, then would you understand the problem with “secret” security measures?

  • JohnKeahey

    I won’t call anti-TSA folks as “haters” if they will stop calling me an “apologist” when all I am saying is that, as a frequent traveler, I have not experienced any problems with TSA. Deal?

  • JohnKeahey

    I won’t call anti-TSA folks as “haters” if they will stop calling me an “apologist” when all I am saying is that, as a frequent traveler, I have not experienced any problems with TSA. Deal?

  • James Penrose

    “Oh, and the TSA stole your necklace? Really? Not the baggage handler at the check-in desk,”

    Yes, TSA *must* take the blame for items stolen from checked luggage. Have you not figured out if light-fingered Larry can *take* things from baggage he can also put things *into* luggage, like say a small bomb? A surprising number of people with “backstage” access do not have to go through any kind of screening as they enter and exit secure areas dozens of times a day and as long as they aren’t holding a cartoon bomb with sizzling fuse int heir hands, they can bring just about anything into the secure areas.

  • James Penrose

    “Oh, and the TSA stole your necklace? Really? Not the baggage handler at the check-in desk,”

    Yes, TSA *must* take the blame for items stolen from checked luggage. Have you not figured out if light-fingered Larry can *take* things from baggage he can also put things *into* luggage, like say a small bomb? A surprising number of people with “backstage” access do not have to go through any kind of screening as they enter and exit secure areas dozens of times a day and as long as they aren’t holding a cartoon bomb with sizzling fuse int heir hands, they can bring just about anything into the secure areas.

  • James Penrose

    So, you have not been bothered, therefore it does not happen?

    “Yes, Italian (and other Mediterranean) men pinch bottoms
    and rub up against women, usually in crowded places, and make the most surprising and sometimes raunchy propositions. (Greek shopkeepers sometimes corner solo women and offer to show them some more “special merchandise” upstairs.)”
    http://www.reidsguides.com/t_sc/t_sc_women.htm

    The State Department routinely publishes warnings about women being routinely sexually harassed in some parts of the world but perhaps that too is fiction?

  • James Penrose

    So, you have not been bothered, therefore it does not happen?

    “Yes, Italian (and other Mediterranean) men pinch bottoms
    and rub up against women, usually in crowded places, and make the most surprising and sometimes raunchy propositions. (Greek shopkeepers sometimes corner solo women and offer to show them some more “special merchandise” upstairs.)”
    http://www.reidsguides.com/t_sc/t_sc_women.htm

    The State Department routinely publishes warnings about women being routinely sexually harassed in some parts of the world but perhaps that too is fiction?

  • Jill_Ion

    I think I can make that deal with you. I will not call you an apologist and will be more careful about whom I call an apologist. Sound good?

  • Jill_Ion

    I think I can make that deal with you. I will not call you an apologist and will be more careful about whom I call an apologist. Sound good?

  • Stereoknob

    Great, thanks for the info GrantRitchie!

  • Stereoknob

    Great, thanks for the info GrantRitchie!