Airline seat fees separate mom from five-year-old twins

Ever since airlines added new economy-class seat reservation fees, they’ve insisted that the new charges would not lead to families with young kids being separated.

And I believed it — until I heard from Vicki Wallace.

Wallace was flying from Philadelphia to San Diego on US Airways recently, when the fees led to her being separated from her five-year-old twins, she says.

Her case is important because airlines have insisted they aren’t forcing their customers to book these “choice” seats for their kids, and that they’ll do everything in their power to make sure families with young children are seated together on a flight, whether they paid more for their seat reservations or not.

It all began when Wallace started planning the trip to Philadelphia for Thanksgiving.

I reserved my seats ahead of time and was peeved to find I had to pay $67 for a “choice” seat in order to pick four adjacent seats for my family.

Okay, not too big a deal. However, when I checked in the night before, I found that my “choice” seat was worthless, since they moved the other three seats all over the plane – all separated from one another.

Eventually, she remedied the situation by paying more to reserve better “choice” seats. But it came at a price: Wallace says she paid $112 extra for the initial reservations and then another $180 after her “choice” seats were reshuffled. That’s on top of her $675 airfare.

But the real seat problems happened on her return flight. “The flight was full, so there was no option to even purchase adjacent seats,” she says.

The family was separated — one member was sent to row 35 and the others were in rows 8 and 9.

“I asked the agents at the gate about getting seats together and they told me they could not help and to ask the flight attendants,” she says. “Of course, once on the plane, the flight attendants were of no help and we were told to ask passengers to swap seats.”

She continues,

My husband disappeared to his seat in row 35 while I hovered around rows 8 and 9 and reached out to passengers to swap seats.

One was an even swap for one aisle seat to another aisle seat, so that was easy. Another woman was not willing at all to move over one seat so we could be adjacent and another by the window was not initially willing, but later changed her mind as I sent the one five-year-old to her seat between two strangers.

So, to recap, Wallace paid the “choice” seat fee on her outbound leg, but the airline moved her seats anyway, forcing her to pay even more in order to sit with her family. Then, on the return, it didn’t offer her any “choice” seat options and separated the entire family again. And for at least a short amount of time, one of her five-year-old twins sat between two strangers.

Wallace thinks the airline seat fees are out of control.

“I am outraged that I can no longer expect to sit with my young children on a flight anymore,” she says. “We travel from one coast to the next at least three times a year. It is already expensive. Is there any way you could help me get either a refund for the extra fees — especially the ‘choice’ seats I never used?”

Of course.

I asked US Airways to review her case. Here’s what a representative said:

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We got with the customer … gave her some tips on how to book together, and offered a refund of her choice seat fees – which she accepted.

As you know, we work really hard to accommodate families traveling together — whether with small kids or not — and the vast majority of the time it works out just fine. Then we can always try at the gate with no-shows or with other volunteers … lastly, on the aircraft itself.

I’m happy this was resolved, but I’m troubled that this case even came to my attention. Airlines have long insisted that they won’t separate families, and that there’s no need for the government to regulate their seating policies. I’ve agreed with this position, citing a lack of evidence that young kids are being separated from their parents on planes.

Wallace’s case makes me wonder if I’m on the right side of this argument.

Should the government require airlines to seat families together?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    Family boarding for Southwest is after the A group and before B, so there should be more than just middle seats left.

  • LBJROCK

    Nope…not kidding… you want to sit together, you pay the $10 early check-in fee or check in online 24 hours in advance like the rest of us do. No way would I have traded my aisle seat for a middle so you could sit by your kid cause you didn’t check in soon enough! NO WAY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sommer.gentry Sommer Gentry

    I don’t have any children. But I have absolutely no problem switching seats to allow a parent to sit next to his/her child, not even if it means I switch to a middle seat. I’ve done that more than once. I don’t understand why people have to be such jerks.

  • LBJROCK

    I don’t like puppies much either.

  • EMF

    If one buys multiple tickets together, at the same time, on the same reservation, the seats should be together, regardless of the age, sex, religion, race, or any other fact. Obviously, if people are travelling together, they should be able to to stay together.

  • LBJROCK

    If your 3 yr old would have been placed between two WOMEN would that have been different, why emphasize that it was two MEN!??

  • LBJROCK

    Yeah, cause this is the same thing as what happened to you.

  • TonyA_says

    Raven, what exactly are these gov’t issued scooters? These are not the electric carts that transport people between gates, right?

  • TonyA_says

    Some airlines will only honor an extra (adjoining) seat because the passenger is too big or has a cabin baggage like a cello.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Why not angry women? Why be so sexist?

  • Raven_Altosk

    Aside from the small percentage of people who have a legitimate medical condition, explain to me how people get fat?


    …..
    …….

    Yup. Like I said, too many trip to the buffett.

    Are “persons of size” now a protected class?

  • Raven_Altosk

    No, I mean the TV commercials for “The Scooter Store!” and the like where they “guarantee” to get you approved for your “free” scooter.

    The one that ran me down was a Di$ney visitor on one of those ridiculous rental scooters.

  • Raven_Altosk

    I don’t see why gender has anything to do with this. Stating that two strangers would be just as effective.

  • TonyA_says

    Oh, those chariots. I stay away from those when I am in Costco or the supermarket. They are dangerous because you don’t hear them even when they are almost touching your behind. They need some kind of beeping noise.

  • TonyA_says

    I’m curious. Why didn’t your airline ask the 400 lb guy to buy an extra seat?

  • calbff

    Since the title of the article refers to “five-year old twins” and my comment is obviously referring to young children, your reference to a twelve year-old is a straw man.

    To answer your question, YES, parents of a five year old are responsible for their young children 24-7, unless they choose to place someone else in charge of them such as a bus driver or teacher – and this is the point I’m making. The airlines are stopping the parents from being able to watch them, and are not taking the responsibility themselves. This is completely unacceptable.

  • dr44

    Airlines’ stupid behavior irks me as much as anybody, and I’m not defending their idiotic choices. But your knee-jerk “greed” comment irks me. Airlines are trying – and barely succeeding, most of them – to keep themselves solvent in a horrible economy and faced with rising fuel prices. It isn’t “greed” to try to make enough money to pay their employees and their bills – it’s simple economics. We can argue all day about the choices they DO make – and like you, I think many of them are beyond stupid – but like everybody else nowadays, they’re just trying to keep their head above water financially.

  • dr44

    And would the airline pay legal damages if the child was molested by the stranger sitting next to them? Parents should be able to sit next to their kids, for protection if nothing else.

  • TonyA_says

    Did you bother to read my other post where I explained and showed an example of a typical allocation of seats and how the portion of blocked seats for handicaps and families are getting smaller and smaller compared to choice seats that require additional fees? The result is families that need to seat together might now have to buy one or more of those choice seats. Why make it more difficult for families?

    As Gordon Gekko said, greed is good. Oh by the way, if airlines, as you say, are having a hard time keeping their heads above water maybe you ought to examine where the money is going to. Try high interest debt, oil speculators, executive compensation, M&A fees, you name it. Don’t blame the poor families because they dont wanna pay those seat fees. If airlines are such a rotten business, they should be dead by now. Why are many of the largest private equity guys still around owning them? These greedy bastards are not stupid. They will keep sucking the airline till its dry. Then the big bailout will come.

  • technomage1

    Exactly. Then we’re the bad guys for saying no. I pick aisle seats due to a bad shoulder. If I sit in the middle I am in pain for the duration and several days afterwords.

    When there are mechanical changes or I miss a connection, etc, and I get put into a middle seat I suck it up. Life happens and you have to adjust to it.

  • TonyA_says

    It sucks. You paid extra for a lousy seat. Airlines gets to keep your money for a while until you get your refund. It’s the FEE Game again and again.

  • technomage1

    Oh, obviously. Because seating on a plane is a life and death situation. (Sarcasm)

  • cowboyinbrla

    If it were simply the case of these particular children, you would be correct. But the question asked by Chris – the one we’re all addressing – is “Should the government require airlines to seat families together?” with no mention of age limits. Several folks on here have thrown out 12 as a potential cut-off point.

    Five-year old kids? Sure. 12 years old? Not so much.

    I’m in favor of reasonable accommodations. If the parents book months in advance when there are lots of unassigned seats, sure – the airlines should (for free) allow the parents to lock in a block of seats together. If it’s last-minute, that’s fine too, as long as people who booked earlier aren’t majorly inconvenienced in the process – ie bumping people from aisle or window seats to middle seats. As long as people who paid extra for economy plus legroom or whatever aren’t being bumped out because the only way to accommodate last minute Mom & kids is to move one of those people back to regular economy.

    It should have been a lot easier – as people have noted – to put the husband with one child next to him in a middle seat somewhere and the wife with the other child in a middle seat somewhere else. I’m pretty sure a person traveling alone in a middle seat would have been happy to take an aisle or window seat in exchange. Three together, however, is a lot harder to arrange while the plane is loading.

  • bodega3

    I think we agree that ideally they should, but others should not be made to give up their seat for this. Because, as another poster stated, she was late in checking in and didn’t get on when parents with young children are allowed to board, she shouldn’t expect those who got there on time to accommodate her. She could wait for another flight.

  • Kimberly

    This seating thing is becoming quite a mess. I’d just say give up seating period and have passengers pay extra for priority seating. Families with children under 5 will get priority seating for 1 parent per child or 1 assistant for disabled. The rest will have to pay a fee for priority seating. It is PREFERABLE for families to sit together. Children under 12 should always be seated with an adult in their party. Do airlines really want to risk sitting a minor next to a stranger that may be…uh…less than respectable?

  • http://gspirits.com/ Zod

    wow…did *I* pick the wrong thread to subscribe to!

  • CeeJay

    No, it’s not your fault – sounds like you did everything you could. But it’s the fault of the passengers sitting around you, either. It’s the airline’s fault, so place the blame on them.

  • CeeJay

    Oops, I meant it’s NOT the fault of the passengers sitting around you.

  • MarkKelling

    Not saying that it is you who does this, or that it is necessarily parents with children. But I have seen it happen more than once and it is usually the adult couple who just can’t be separated for the two hours the flight is going to take. One has a premium seat and the other is in the back of the plane. So back-of-the- plane just has to move to the front because the airline should have known that they just can’t be separated so someone in another premium seat will just have to move.

  • MarkKelling

    I don’t think ANYONE should be stuck between “two hostile strange men” for hours. But what makes you assume that any two “men” on a plane would be strange or hostile?

  • MarkKelling

    But on a bus and most trains you don’t get to reserve a seat an you are free to move around as you want. I have moved many times on a bus and even stood for the length of my trip because I saw there were people more in need of a seat than I am.

  • TonyA_says

    For some Economy Plus seats, there is a notice that says you may be asked to move for a handicapped passenger.
    Since it is not free seating the desk or gate agent might ask you to move before boarding, or the FA while already on board.
    In other words, if you are seating on this “KID PRIORITY” seat, you might be asked to move somewhere else (where the kid was before maybe).

  • TonyA_says

    For some Economy Plus seats, there is a notice that says you may be asked to move for a handicapped passenger.
    Since it is not free seating the desk or gate agent might ask you to move before boarding, or the FA while already on board.
    In other words, if you are seating on this “KID PRIORITY” seat, you might be asked to move somewhere else (where the kid was before maybe).

  • MarkKelling

    You can use the Early Bird check in option. It guarantees you get a “good” boarding number (usually in the A group) and is only $10 extra per ticket. When on vacation or anywhere you can’t be sitting in front of a computer, I feel it is a great use of my $10.

  • MarkKelling

    Nope, the airlines don’t “guarantee” you will get the premium seat you paid for and specifically state you will not get the fee refunded no matter what happens.

  • MarkKelling

    The only seats on a SW plane that have extra pitch are the exit row and row 1 (and row 1 has no tray tables of any kind). The rest of the plane is the same size seats and legroom. So even in group A unless you are one of the first 12 on the plane, and it is not a connecting flight, you will not be able to get one of those seats. Also, if you board early because of mobility issues, you cannot sit in the exit rows.

    Before SW redid their seating earlier this year, the first 9 rows on the right side of the plane (as you are seated and facing forward) had about 2 extra inches of leg room. But they added another row of seats on all of their planes so all the seats are now uncomfortably close.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    @MarkKelling:disqus – I’m not sure that is correct. I’ve had a case where a scheduled & equipment change caused me to cancel a ticket and DL refunded the seat fee. I don’t think the airlines would have a leg to stand on if their action, ie a schedule change, caused you to lose the seat. Now a change on your part would be different.

  • TonyA_says

    Maybe one of them was named Raven A. :-)
    Peace bro …

  • y_p_w

    I don’t even bother trying to get a child fare. We’re leisure travelers and the adult discount fare is better than whatever we can get as a child fare. All we ever did was take along our kid as a lap infant since that was free.

  • bodega3

    Domestically that is the case, but internationally, in many markets you can still get a child’s fare and it can save you hundreds of dollars per child. There can be restrictions on the discount in that an adult must be traveling with the child to be able to obtain the child’s fare.

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Thanks. The only benefit “A” seating would confer is that my husband would be more likely to win the race for the aisle seats. Luckily, he’s been training!

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    But then, you are being far too reasonable and intelligent! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    true, but you book more international flights, right? sad that these folks only want to be seated up front, though, when the back makes so much more sense. Board first and take your time without bothering anyone else, closer to bathrooms, closer to galley if needed, time to gather all belongings before leaving, again without needing to halt everyone else getting off the plane.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    true, but they have enough to do getting the flight ready for departure – referee should not have to also be added to their job description.

  • TonyA_says

    Sorry, I am in a state of shock now !!!

    26 or more young kids have just been shot and killed here in Connecticut according to reports.

    Please pray for them. Thanks.

    Now you know why kids are so precious.

    Correction: at least 18 of the 27 are young kids. News still very blurry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    Sounds like they got there AFTER B boarded – late, and expect everyone to accommodate them – sad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.bator Linda Bator

    you know you’ll just make him laugh for that!

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    (Moderators: this is off-topic)

    Was wondering how to reach out to you.

    When the shootings at the Von Maur in Omaha occurred in 2007, people across the nation reached out to us here in Nebraska, whether we lived in Omaha or not. I know that based on that outpouring of support, the entire nation is grieving with you and that our prayers are with the entire community.

  • TonyA_says

    Thank you very much.
    I’m speechless. This is a horrible and very very sad event.
    Everyone here is in shock. A lot of the folks from Newtown work here in Stamford or Danbury area.
    Hug your kids well and pray for those who lost a loved one.
    Once again, thank you.

  • Ann Lamoy

    Raven, I normally like your comments-including the snarky ones, but your comments about overweight/obese people aren’t snarky. They are hurtful and judgmental. Do you really think that the biggest percentage of large people don’t care about being overweight? That it simply a matter of eating too much/not exercising? Weight is a complex issue that cannot be boiled down to something so simple and brushed away as people “not caring”.

    You can’t look at people and make such nasty snap judgments.

    Fat people are still fair game for being made fun and picked on in this country. PoC, LGQTB and other groups that used to experience that are not. (Not that it doesn’t happen but society in general finds this to be wrong. But fat people? It is still completely acceptable to make fun of/discriminate and otherwise treat as second class citizens). And no, I don’t expect fat people to get special consideration. But I don’t want them to be treated like shit either.

    That being said, I do sympathize with your flying experience the other day. That sucks. That passenger should have bought two seats. (and honestly the airlines shouldn’t make seats designed for Hobbits in the first freaking place). And if the guy was spilling over that much? Maybe the airlines SHOULD put a policy in place that says people that are over a certain size-to where they are taking up a seat and a half-buy two seats for themselves. But get the second seat at a discounted price.