I didn’t do it! Subrogation company says 10 percent of damage claims are disputed by renters

Frivolous car rental damage claims are a hot topic. Not a day seems to go by that I don’t hear from someone complaining about a bogus repair bill from a car rental company.

But there’s another side to the story that’s easily overlooked: the car rental company’s side. So I asked Randy Harris, president of Khoury Alternative Claims Management, a subrogation management company based in San Antonio, Tex., for his take on the issue. Here’s our interview.

Many of my readers have rented cars, but have never come across the term subrogation management. Can you define that, please?

True subrogation is when an insurance company pays a claim on their insured’s behalf, regardless of fault and then attempts to get reimbursed by an at-fault third party, or their carrier.

Most rental car companies with fleets over 300 cars cannot afford, or opt not to carry collision or comprehensive insurance coverage. They are self-insured. A subrogation management company acts on the rental car company’s behalf to collect whatever damages are owed when a vehicle is damaged.

What kinds of cases get referred to your company?

We handle all recoverable damage claims suffered by our clients regardless of the amounts. So if an employee damages a vehicle, it has unsubstaniated damage, or the renter purchases the loss damage waiver, we would not get that claim.

Do you accept every case that you get?

We accept every claim sent to us and then evaluate it on its merits. If the renter purchased a collision or loss damage waiver and is found not to be negligent in their actions we would return that claim as there would be no recovery source.

Of the cases you work on, what percentage are disputed in some way by the customer?

Approximately 10 percent of the claims are disputed by the renters. It is important to remember that if the renter signed a contract and the vehicle is damaged in any way while in their possesion, they are responsible for that damage. So a vehicle may get bumped in a parking lot on the passenger side. The renter never sees it or knows it happened. When the vehicle is returned and the damage is discovered they are responsible for it.

What advice to you have for someone who really didn’t damage the car, but is dealing with a company like yours? How do you prove your innocence?

When a renter disputes they did damage to the vhicle we ask them to put their dispute in writing so we may present it to our client. If they take the time to put it in writing it adds credibility to their dispute. If the renter has a valid dispute most companies will drop the claim. They are very customer-service oriented and certainly want to retain that renter as a customer.

What percentage of claims turn out to be errors — in other words, the renter didn’t do it?

Of the disputed claims we have not seen an increase or decrease lately, roughly 50 percent are dropped by the client. That doesn’t mean they were wrongfully submitted. Usually those types of damages are minor and no one can be certain, so better to drop and save a customer then continue pursuing.

You say the odds of a renter denying damage they clearly did, or simply not paying for damage they acknowledge doing, far outwieghs the few rogue operators who may misrepresent damages. Can you explain what you meant?

Approximately 25 percent of the damage claims go unpaid by the renter or third party who struck the rental vehicle. An independant company that rents to local market people suffer more of these unpaid losses then a major rental car company like Hertz or Avis who rents to corporate travelors. Since they are self-insured for comprehensive and collision losses an unpaid claim is a direct loss to the bottom line.

A totaled vehicle unpaid for can be $20,000 loss, or more, depending on the value of the vehicle. Usually these claims aren’t paid for because the renter did not carry their own coverage which would transfer to the rental vehicle and they did not purchase the loss damage waiver offered by the rental car company.

I see some ads for subrogation management companies in the trade press, and they seem to stop just shy of saying, “Use our company and we’ll turn damage claims into a profit center.” Am I reading too much into the ads, or are there unscrupulous third-party companies that do this?

Three of the major disputes between rental car companies and insurance carriers are the loss of use, loss of market value, and administrative fees that become contractually owed to the rental car companies.

A company such as ours have the expertise to help collect those fees. There are legally and contractually owed and they are a loss to the rental car companies if not paid. So no one is profiting from the claims at all.

We and our competitors are simply making our clients whole for their losses. The biggest problem is that the credit card companies imply that they will take care of everything for their card holder and yet their own rules, they are not insurance but card memeber service providers, usually will not allow payment of these fees.

Hence, the renter feels the rental car company is pursuing fees not owed when they get billed, when they are only pursuing fees not covered.

There’s another side to this that I don’t often report on, which is car rental customer that intentionally damage a vehicle. Can you talk about that a little?

Ninety percent of the renters are good responsible customers who do their best to take good care of the vehicle they are in and hope to return it undamaged. However, like any area in today’s society, a small percent — 10 percent — do not take the same care.

Vehicles are rented to commit crimes, such as drug dealing. Keys are left in vehicles or left unguarded and someone grabs them and takes the vehicle. Many times a renter will keep the vehicle beyond their deposit and the rental operator only gets it back after the renter damages it and leaves the scene of the accident.

Do you have any tips for someone who is about to rent a car, and wants to avoid having to deal with a claim dispute?

The two most important times for the renter to do to avoid a disputed claim is during the check out and check in of the vehicle. They should try to get an employee to walk around the vehicle with them when they get the vehicle and make sure they mark all of the existing damage. Then when returning the vehicle have an employee walk around again and sign off that there is no new damage since they rented the vehicle.

  • Eric

    I don’t understand this answer from the article.

    “We accept every claim sent to us and then evaluate it on its merits. If the renter purchased a collision or loss damage waiver and is found not to be negligent in their actions we would return that claim as there would be no recovery source”.

    If I purchase the CDW, it doesn’t matter whether I’m at fault in a crash. The only way I should be liable for anything, if I purchase the CDW, is if I damaged the car intentionally, or use it in a way it was not intended to be used, taking a Toyota Camry off-road, for example.

  • Josh

    Most of the complaints (and presumably the disputed claims) are not $20,000 “totaled” cars; they’re nicks and dings.

    If the costs of unpaid damage are really so high, then it surely makes sense for the car rental company to prove their case by taking pictures before and after the rental to prove that particular damage was caused during that particular rental. The fact that they don’t do this proves that the “losses” really aren’t that big of a deal.

    And no, not all “damage” needs to be repaired or affects the value. A minor non-paint-breaking ding is simply normal wear and tear, and is expected on a 3-4-5 year old car when it is sold. It certainly doesn’t reduce the car’s value by the $400-800-1600 that they claim the repairs cost.

  • Josh

    ..and I meant to also address the attempt to make the customer justify their dispute in writing — basically saying the customer has to prove a negative, that they *didn’t* do something.

    The general advice here is that the first response should be to ask the rental company to prove *their* allegation that you did do something, since they’re in a position to do so (with the before/after photos and documentation) or to drop the claim. That request should be put in writing, of course…

  • Joe Farrell

    10% of the claims made are disputed by the renter.

    Of that 50% are dropped [for whatever reason] and the renter is not responsible.

    So – the car rental company is wrong 50% of the time, unable to prove the damage came from this particular party or otherwise drops the claim, or whatever. Glad to see that complaining is the way to go.

    Now – on the other 50% where claims are challenged – what is the resolution and why?

  • Scott

    Hi Chris,

    I would like to make some remarks from an insurance side of this interview. Mr. Harris stated “Three of the major disputes between rental car companies and insurance carriers are the loss of use, loss of market value, and administrative fees that become contractually owed to the rental car companies. A company such as ours have the expertise to help collect those fees. There are legally and contractually owed and they are a loss to the rental car companies if not paid. So no one is profiting from the claims at all.”

    What Mr. Harris is not telling you is that they (the collection company) is abusing the intent of the law.

    1. The amount of these “fees” are NEVER disclosed to the customer.

    2. “Loss of use” was imposed by the courts to allow an individual or company to be reimbursed for the time it takes to get the vehicle repaired. It was never meant to be designed to reimburse a rental company for a vehicle to just be sitting on the lot. Not all cars are rented by the rental company are out at one time. If the company is unable to rent one car because it is in the shop, but have ten more just like it, sitting on the lot waiting to be rented, where is the loss of use? That is “loss of profit” and must be proven with tax receipts and other documentation that the rental company does not want to supply.

    3. Collection companies typically attempt to obtain “Loss of Market Value” based off the retail value of the rental car, however rental companies buy the vehicle at wholesale prices, and then turn around and sell them to the public after a couple of years, at a large markup. If the companies want to talk about loss of value, how about disclosing the real price of the vehicle. If not, then the rental company is certainly making a profit on the “loss of value”.
    (By the way, making a profit on an insurance claim not drives the cost of insurance up for everyone, it is also illegal. Insurance must put you back into the same position you were in prior to the loss. It is not for a person or business to make a profit from an accident.) Also, rental cars lose value just for the fact that they are rental cars. Companies like Carfax even alert potential buyers to the fact that they are rental vehicles.

    4. As far as “administration fees”, These fees are for the collection company, NOT the rental company. It is how the make their money. Again the amount of these fees are never disclosed to the customer prior to renting a car. They make up the exorbitant fees and try to demand the insurance company pay them.

    Let me give you a real life example. I am looking at a file on my desk right now. The actual damage to the vehicle ( By the way, we were never allowed to inspect the vehicle prior to the subrogation claim being submitted, to even see if these damages truly existed, or that our insured did the damage.)

    Estimate : $1,400.00 for damages to the front bumper. The photo supplied shows the damage probably could have been fixed, but a new bumper was calculated.

    $455.00 Loss of use of 7 days @ 65.00 per day. (this is the rental price, so again it is loss of profit, even if the car wasn’t going to be rented)

    $210.00 Loss of Market Value ( 15% of the estimate, without explanation as to how they arrived at that figure.

    250.00 Administration fees. Again, no explanation. It costs about $90.00 to have an independent company write an estimate.

    So, we have a bumper, which they have failed to substantiate was damaged by our insured, costing $2,315.00. It could have been repaired for $500-$600, and we don’t even know if the damage was repaired. Who isn’t making a profit!!!

    Oh, and the nations largest rental company, get’s most of it’s business from renting cars to people who have been in an accident. Those bills are paid for by the insurance company. I would say that this makes the insurance industry the biggest customer of some of the rental companies. Yet, this is how we are thanked for the business.

  • Meredith Putvin

    I have been warned by collection agencies to Avoid Collection agencies in Texas, Florida and a few other states. These tend to be the states with the fewest controls and the most abuses by the agency.

  • Joe Farrell

    @Scott – the key is that the insurance companies know all these things – and they know not to pay the silly claims.

    I’ve repped people in these cases – the question to ask in the loss of use case if their utilization records and their profits and loss for the vehicle, district, and locale. If a company is losing money, then renting the car will result in their losing more money. . . . it makes an interesting argument because loss of use is merely loss of the profit potential of the vehicle. The key word is potential. Asking for $65 a day without subtracting the cost of operating, insuring and maintaining the vehicle from that $65 a day is meaningless. If they make $3 a day it would be a surprise. ‘Use’ is not ‘profit.’ Characterizing the issue as one of lost opportunity means their entire business practice and experience becomes relevant. Just because they CAN rent a car does mean that they DO rent a car. Loss of use mean loss of use – what did they lose by not having the car. That is a complex question.

    loss of value – yeah – they buy 5000 Ford mid-size sedans of a certain type. They can tell you within pennies how much they get for each vehicle when sold. They have internal reports which describe their retail value at sale – they sell vehicles every day. Some fuzzy number which they place on loss of value without offering their extensive records can be turned against them at trial and they can be made to look like fools – at which point they lose.

    What everyone misses is that the loss of value is the damage. If they did not fix the bumper the loss of value would be the loss of value – once the bumper is fixed – its fixed – it is as good as new. They are like the medical profession, offering up a bill for three times what they know is reasonable and customary to be sure of collecting what the work performed is worth. An insurer, assuming there is proof of loss to their insured, would pay the cost of repairing the bumper, $50 for lost profits, and close out the claim.

  • Mike Z

    @ scott and Joe Farrell. Very good posts and it just shows how these companies think and how the companies they hire think. They can not prove that administrative costs total $150 a pop if they have to go to court. In fact given their business models, I doubt that they would ever want to divulge that information to the public. (discounts on new cars, selling prices averages, cars sitting idle daily, etc) The cost to go to court isn’t worth the $150 they are trying to get for a collection fee, so they drop it.

  • Ed

    Hmmm…His answers sound a little too “pat” for comfort…it sounds like he’s reading from a script and his answers are carefully crafted to sound like he isn’t committing to any specific answer. He really didn’t answer anything if you read it carefully.

  • Scott

    @ Joe Farrell

    Good points.

    The Collection companies are now pursuing the claim directly against our insured. Their argument is that any money due, not paid for by the insurance company, is collectible under the contract signed by the insured.

    The collection companies threaten our insured with ruining their credit, harassment, etc, to try and force our insured to force us to pay the claims. They habitually violate the FDCA and the FCRA. Taking them to court becomes the challenge, as it usually cost more then the entire claim.

    You have hit on the one deterrent against the Rental companies and collection agencies. Typically the threat of subpoena for records against the rental company for profit/loss and actual costs of the vehicle tend to make the collection agents back off, but not always.

  • http://www.clarkecomputer.com Charles Clarke

    @Scott and @Joe Farrell – Great points! Gives me a good idea of what to ask for the rental car companies to provide me with if they claim damage.

    I also find it interesting that these 3 areas of contention are also 3 areas that I don’t have to worry about while renting a car with a USAA member discount through, at least, Hertz. Sounds like USAA is smart enough to have already dealt with them. If you or some relative are or were military, check out USAA!