American Airlines: “We want the customer to know what the total cost of the trip is”

Cory Garner is the director of distribution strategy for American Airlines. You may have heard about American removing its flights from Orbitz this week and Expedia’s subsequent action to “de-emphasize” American’s fares. I wanted to find out why – and how it might affect customers. Here’s our interview.

Why did you remove your flights from Orbitz?

It’s important for us to be free to customize our product offerings to improve the customer experience, and to distribute our products in a way that doesn’t result in unnecessary costs.

Unfortunately, we were unable to reach an agreement with Orbitz on this point and determined it would be better to part ways, for now. We’re open to talking with them to reach a viable, mutually beneficial agreement and hope to one day return to their site.

How about yesterday’s action by Expedia to de-emphasize your fares?

We’re disappointed that Expedia is making American Airlines flights and fares more difficult to find on its website.

This discriminatory action is unwarranted, especially considering that American has taken no action against [it] and continues to operate in good faith with Expedia.

While tickets for air travel on American remain available for purchase on Expedia, its favoritism toward other airlines’ airfares may lead consumers into believing that they have fewer choices, even in situations where American’s fares are lower, and schedules are superior, than other airlines that are listed first.

Let me get back to Orbitz. Are you saying that the way you were distributing tickets through Orbitz was too expensive and too limiting?

Our desire is to continue distributing American Airlines tickets through travel agencies. We just want them to include new items.

What kind of new items?

What we’re trying to do through what we call Direct Connect provides a level of content, including fares and optional services such as checked baggage. It provides greater transparency at the initial point of sale. It also gives us the ability of tailor the offers on the basis of customers’ needs.

Can you give me an example?

Sure. A family of four traveling on a vacation has very different needs than person traveling on business. The family may be more concerned with full access to overhead bins, food, early boarding – we’d be able to make offers based on their needs.

Contrast that with a business customer. They may be concerned with having onboard connectivity.

With Direct Connect, we’d understand the customer and be able to make that kind of customized offer.

Does Direct Connect allow customers to customize their own fares – in other words, to always choose a fare with a checked bag and a meal – or would it only allow American to do the customization?

Yes, the customer can also drive the customization.

Does Orbitz have access to that information now, and was it unwilling to display it? Or is it incapable of displaying it?

Orbitz could have that access now by signing up for our Direct Connect – something that have not agreed to.

Alright. But don’t the various customers with different needs have one thing in common — that they want to know how much they’re spending for their ticket up front?

Yes. Direct Connect would allow us to do that.

What’s wrong with the way things are being done now?

The Global Distribution Services, or GDSs, were built in the 70s and 80s. We needed central clearinghouses to install lines to travel agencies in order to access our inventory.

It rewarded GDS as status as gatekeepers. Now, with the advent of the Internet, the GDSs’ status as gatekeepers are being challenged. We don’t view them as a necessary component to facilitate a connection to travel agent.

It’s my understanding that the GDSs have created a system that allows them to handle the kind of customization that you’re talking about. The systems also exist to send this data to agents through the Airline Tariff Publishing Company. How do these systems differ from Direct Connect?

They are not able to provide the type of customization we’re talking about becaused it would be based upon proprietary customer data that the airline has.

What are some of the benefits of Direct Connect to consumers?

The best way to see that is on our website, AA.com, which is a direct-to-customer distribution channel.

We have the ability to customize fares and offer products and services that we didn’t otherwise offer to a travel agency.

There’s been a gap between what we can offer through AA.com and through agencies, and that’s what we’re trying to address.

You had mentioned an all-in price. But when I go to AA.com, I don’t get an all-in price up front, yet.

That’s a work in progress. It’s something we started when we created something called a boarding and flexibility option, which we introduced in June.

It was the first time we started to price these services up front. Our approach is to make this a multi-channel launch through various services. We want travel agencies to participate.

Can you show me an example of the kind of customization you’re talking about on AA.com?

The boarding and flexibility package is just such an example. It is targeted at non-elites, who otherwise would not have the ability to stand by for an earlier flight or board in an earlier group.

Are you saying that Direct Connect is a work in progress? If that’s the case, then why is it being introduced now?

No. It will however, require some changes on the agency side to intergrate into their current system. We have been publicly discussing our plans to offer Direct Connect for some time in order to help the market prepare.

Critics have said that Direct Connect would make a side-by-side fare comparison between airlines more difficult. Is that true?

If we’re talking about a travel agency scenario, agents have difficult decisions to make when it comes to their fare displays.

When you have access to AA’s optional services, we’d have a difficult time making a comparison.

It’s going to be the online travel agency that decides whether it makes sense to display a full price at the beginning or the end of the booking path. It’s not a decision we’re going to enforce on the agency.

We just want to display the full range of products and services. We want the customer to know what the total cost of the trip is. We want to compete on service, versus price.

Wow, that’s something you don’t hear from an airline often. Are there any specific customer services are you planning on implementing?

There are range of offers we’re considering, the priority boarding and flexibility package is one example – others will come in the future and we would rather not tip off our competitors as to our plans.

Who is using Direct Connect?

There agencies in Asia, North America, Europe, and soon to come, Latin America. It’s agencies of all types.

Can you name names?

We’d like to disclose them, but we want them to choose the time and place to announce it.

  • MVFlyer

    Am I the only one having trouble believing what this guy says will be good for the consumer?

  • http://goldenruletravel.com Hans Mast

    Favorite quote:
    “This discriminatory action is unwarranted, especially considering that American has taken no action against [it] and continues to operate in good faith with Expedia.”

    Which implies that they’re not operating in good faith with Orbitz.

  • David Emery

    I strongly disliked AA before reading this, and nothing here has changed my mind. But the whole industry is freakin’ broken!

  • TomB

    In Europe all airlines have to show the upfront cost when you do a search

    if you want extras (and the airline is of the, er, gouge variety), you add them on later

    Needless to say Ryanair were none to pleased with this, but as they want to fly they now display a total price

    now if they’d only force them to include the each way surcharges for paying for the tickets…

  • http://www.twitter.com/claystorm Kevin Stuart Murray

    I must say, if they are truly talking about all included pricing (baggage, etc), then I welcome it. I also welcome the ability to choose and purchase how many bags I am going to check when I buy my air fair (and maybe a discount would be nice too).

    I have been a loyal American Airlines customer for as long as I can remember. But when they decided to start charging for checked baggage (they started this whole mess), I started to fly less and less on American and more and more on Southwest for the very reason that Southwest lets me check two bags for free (or if you will, included in the price of my ticket).

    For this Christmas season, I decided to use some of my AAdvantage miles that I’ve accumulated to fly back east to see my sister. What I did not know when I booked my MileSavers ticket was that at that level (25,000 miles), baggage was not included in my economy ticket, something AA does not tell you when you book that type of ticket.

    I only found it when I went looking to see if something I wanted to check was allowed or not. I was not happy in the least to see that. Anyway, I ended up burning another 25,000 miles and upgrading to first (so I could check 3 bags for free).

    At this point, I have decided to pretty much burn up the rest of my miles I have sitting around, dump my AA credit card, and just fly Southwest (and get the SWA credit card) for all my US travel needs. Their impending merger with Airtrans has made this even better as once the merger is complete, I can fly Southwest to 99% of the places I need.

    My biggest problem with air travel as of late is the whole baggage thing. AA charges 25 dollars for the first bag and then 35 for the second. Assuming I take 2 bags on a round trip flight, its going to cost me an extra 120 dollars on top of my base fair for just one person! Assume a family of 4, and this can be as much as $480 dollars, just for baggage!

  • DJP

    There is something hidden in this system they want to implement. Likely something that uses cookies where the first time you view a fare they offer some deal, but the 2nd and 3rd times it will go higher and higher.

    I also think they are bundling deals in a way to hide what the actual costs are to hide how much people are relly saving …errr… paying more than competators.

    I can see if they think you are a family of 4 by asking detailed booking info and then offering some package deal where you can check x number of bags for say $100 per trip. except in the fine print there will be some restrictions, and its done where people dont know how many bags they will need to check..will it be 3 or 5. so the cost may be set up where at $100 flat rate they may save money if they do bring more…or they will have discounts offerent if they book their entire vacation through AA.

    more shit is going to be hitting the fan on this….

  • http://AmateurTraveler.com Chris (Amateur Traveler)

    Travel agencies? Seriously, I have never used travel agencies yet that is what they kept talking about. This will make side by side flight comparison harder.

  • http://AmateurTraveler.com Chris (Amateur Traveler)

    By the way TripAdvisor (yes, my employer) already provides a fees estimator for luggage fees but lets you compare multiple airlines at the same time.

  • http://www.alaskatravelgram.com Scott McMurren

    “Competing on service vs. price”= higher cost for travelers. It’s so silly–NO LEGACY AIRLINE wants to compete on price (they lose).

    Any time an airline person wants to drive you to their proprietary distribution channel as opposed to another channel (online travel agency, brick-n-mortar agency, etc.), it means they want to charge you more money.

    Any time an airline person wants to avoid “unnecessary costs”, they’re talking about costs to them. It is their objective, rather, to charge travelers more.

    AA invented the GDS systems (SABRE) which they now loathe. In fact, “Direct Connect” is an old SABRE product which provided a higher level of access in the GDS (for a fee).

    Mr. Garner’s comments do not inspire travelers’ trust. Rather, they will see this effort in a different light: AA tried to do a cram-down on Orbitz and Orbitz pushed back. I think travelers are smart enough to see this. But AA may prove me wrong.

  • Cynthia

    Sounds like a whole lot of marketing flibbity flab and mumbo jumbo (apologies to Progressive Insurance) to me.

  • Bill

    I don’t know whether what American is wanting to do is a good idea or not. It makes me suspicious and his explanations don’t clear anything up.

    The last time I flew American, I paid to upgrade my wife and I to first class since it was morning and we didn’t get breakfast. We got a biscoff cookie for breakfast in first class.
    I’ve flown a lot of times since, and just never bothered flying AA again.

    Orbitz used pop up ads particularly when they were launching and since they were quite obnoxious about that, I have never dealt with, nor likely ever will deal with them.

    Bottom line: I don’t care what either of them do, really.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    It seems to me like AA wants to follow Southwest. The fares for Southwest are NOT included in any fare search engines (since they are not the lowest fares but the perception is that they have the lowest fares so they don’t want the public to know) and you can only purchase tickets from Southwest.

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    It seems like a bunch of hubris to me. It looks like to me that AA wants to follow Southwest. The fares for Southwest are NOT included in any fare search engines (since they do not always have the lowest fares contrary to the perception so they don’t want the truth to be known) and you can only purchase tickets from Southwest.

  • BucksterSF

    It sounds like they want you to be able to prepay for all of the gouges, er, I mean “options”, up front and the big sites are balking at changing their code to juggle these things for any airline.

    This is clearly one of the big airlines trying to get some more fees from the process. Orbitz told them to bugger off. Expedia seems ready to.

    I thought it said volumes when they want other companies to “sign up” for this and their own web site isn’t even connected. WOW.

    Apparently they can’t make money off themselves.

  • John

    What AA is saying here, although not untrue, is just your typical corporate BS that doesn’t really provide any actual answers. I think that the real reason behind AA terminatig the Orbitz contract is the costs that AA has to pay to the GDSs everytime someone books an AA flight via a travel agency that uses a GDS. I’ve read that airlines (including AA) have to pay somewhere in the vicinity of $12 per SEGMENT to a GDS when this happens (which is an absurd amount especially given that the costs to a GDS are next to nothing…consider that on your typical round trip with one connection each way, AA is paying around $50 to the GDS).

    That’s why AA just wants the agency to directly connect to its inventory instead of going via a GDS. There is no reason that an agency can’t do this other than the fees (commissions) that the GDSs would lose. In the case of Orbitz, the company that owns the GDS (Travelport) is the same company that owns Orbitz so it’s not a surprise that they were fighting in court to force AA to keep its flights on Orbitz. Southwest saves a ton of money by mostly making its fares available only on its website. AA is trying to make a similar move and I applaud them for it. It probably won’t work as well for AA as for Southwest since AA doesn’t have as much goodwill associated with its name but still, I think that it’s a step in the right direction for them.

  • Aaron

    American? Compete on service? How about more space on your planes so I can open my laptop if the guy in front reclines? How about less overbooking? How about dropping your bait-and-switch baggage fees? How about not selling elite privs to other flyers, so they become worthless and meaningless? THAT is what I call service.

    Unfortunately, to American, service seems to mean finding ways to charge new fees. Stuff like I’ve read above makes me think that American wants to “service” its customers the same way prostitutes “service” their clients.

    Aaron

  • Aaron

    AZ Road Warrior: How I wish AA would follow Southwest: Reasoable fares, direct flights, simple pricing structure, no baggage fees, and friendly personnel.

    Aaron

  • larry

    It’s about the money, PERIOD. These legacy airline talking heads remind me of government bureaucrat spokespersons.

  • Jack

    So I have two advanced college degrees and I walked away from AA’s explanation with absolutely nothing.

    What is clear is that they have no interest other then to talk out of both sides of their corporate mouth. “Tailoring” is code for “discriminating” rates and is anti-customer in its essence.

    One doesn’t have to steal from one’s own customers. The Southwest example is clear that fairness encourages loyalty and honesty is rewarded with passionate following.

    My experiences in the past with legacy airlines such as AA led me to stop flying with them 5 years ago.

  • Bill

    I am a big customer of AA, over 2.4 million FF miles.
    These answers sound evasive, and generally I would find it hard to believe anything the gentleman said.
    It’s all corporate speak.
    Find someone who will give you real answers. It will need to be a decision maker as opposed to the guy who is assigned to answer travel gurus’ questions without really answering them.
    That’s the guy you talked with.

  • David Z

    It’s about the money, PERIOD.

    Sure it’s about the money. AA just isn’t telling people what they probably don’t want to hear, and prefer to tell what’s (possibly) in it for them. (or remotely?)

  • Wayne

    Give me a Break ! You really believe Cory Garner ?
    He is just propagating the AA Corporate propaganda.

    Drive the Business Direct. Where’s the only place you can buy Southwest tickets online ? Southwest.com The rest of the airlines havent been able to do that, so they whine, cry, and coerce… Don’t give me the sob story you want to help the passenger? You want to help yourself. The don’t like Orbitz because it is half-owned by Worldport (Worldspan) The DELTA reservations system (who alas are competitors) but all businesses want to drive the business direct, stomp on all the “middle persons” whether they enhance the product or not. Go Expedia ! You better stand up for the OTA (Online Travel Agencies) or you are next…

  • Orcas Guy

    Another consideration from the “consumer transparency” standpoint . . . booking on AA.com is favored towards booking AA and it’s oneworld partners. What you can’t do effectively on AA.com (if at all in many cases) is look for interline itineraries and/or split itineraries using one carrier outbound and another competing carrier on the return . . . i.e., AA outbound and DL on the return. What if this combined itinerary is the best price/value. Does AA.com display that – no? Do on-line agencies – yes. Does Southwest interline – no, so not an issue with them.

  • DaveS

    There are arguments on both sides of this issue. Clearly, American wants to market its optional packages and can’t do that at the point of ticket purchase for people who go to Orbitz. Some people may know which optional services they want, and others may not know which are available and might be interested if they did. Many simply want to know the base fare. It’s hard to set up a method that will meet the needs of all those groups ideally in the same format.

  • David Z

    Go Expedia ! You better stand up for the OTA (Online Travel Agencies) or you are next…

    Just checked their site…and it seems they stopped selling AA flights too. Oh well…

  • D.A.

    Southwst Airlines doesn’t show up on Orbitz or Expedia and appears to be doing just fine. Looks like they have eliminated an unnecessary layer of expense. AA is rarely if ever the low cost carrier so they rarely if ever show up favorably on agency web sites. I can’t understand why AA needs them.

  • Joel Wechsler

    Just to clarify things, Southwest schedules and fares are available in SABRE, so their own site is not the only way to book.
    @Chris (Amateur Traveler) since travel agencies are major users and recommenders of your employer, perhaps you should return the favor.

  • http://www.middle-aged-diva.blogspot.com Carol (Middle-aged-diva)

    I’ve been a VFF until recently (mostly on American) and I am completely clueless about what this all means. Even with your attempt to clarify in plain English. All the corporate speak serves to ensure the customer has no idea what’s going on. Transparency? Ha!

    I, too, have stopped flying American when I can, after years of being loyal. I am depleting my balance of 300,000 FF miles through hotel stays, rental cars and domestic flights, because it is virtually impossible and complicated to either get or upgrade to a Biz Class internat’l ticket any more on American. My reasons for being brand loyal to any one airline are eroding every year. Even though SW doesn’t offer premium class, it’s a much bearable option, they’re more customer-friendly and costs are often much more reasonable. (not always). We’re stuck with the biggies if we want to go overseas, but it’s been increasingly ok with us to buy a $4K consolidator fare for Biz Class through a travel agent we use, rather than try to kluge together a mileage ticket with all those uncertainties. The big American lines are not getting much of our premium business if we can help it, and the reason is this kind of corporate mumbo jumbo which hides the probability that they’re screwing the consumer. Again. and Again.

  • Kevin M

    I almost would have believed the AA shill except for his comment about some of the experience being driven by proprietary AA customer information.

    The only way they can do this, of course, is if the customer provides his FF# or other identifier BEFORE searching for the fare – otherwise, they can’t access this “proprietary AA customer information.”

    Translated from corporatese, what he means is, they will analyze your flight searches and store what you look for; they’ll track not only your miles, but what you paid for each ticket, which lower-cost flights you might have passed over (bad times? too many connections?), what your apparent “deal-breaker” price limit appears to be, and so forth. In time, they will use that information to alter the choices they show you to meet THEIR goals, but in a way you think is benefiting you. For instance, if they know that you’d rather take the (popular) 8AM flight from A to B, even if the (under-sold) 6 AM flight is $75 cheaper, then they know they can probably raise the price (for you) of the 8 AM flight by another $25 or $50.

    Alternatively, if they figure out that you will never pay more than X for a flight from A to B, then they’ll put that price or a little lower on their least popular, most undersold option, and jack up the quotes on all the popular flights, because they’ll know you’ll only pay the cheap price.

    The goal will be to maximize what they can quote you for what they figure you REALLY want.

  • Barry Graham

    If they were serious about disclosing the total cost, then when they send out offers, they would quote the total round trip price including fees, with the breakdown in small print. I don’t see them doing this on AA.com.

  • Merryl Gross

    Too little, too late. Get the thing working and maybe I’ll pay attention to it.

    But then again, I’ll have to find an airport where I won’t have to make the “irradiated & naked or groped” decision, before I make AA’s “no luggage & sardine class or nickle & dimed to death” decision.