These Surfbouncers really know how to sweet-talk a girl

screenOne of the first questions I ask when someone needs help is: Could I see the correspondence between you and the company? When Steven Price showed me his back-and-forth between with a company called Surfbouncer, I was speechless.

And then I asked the company for its side of the story.

Normally, here’s what happens when you have trouble with a business: You send it an email with your problem, and it replies with a pre-fabricated form response that vaguely addresses the issue and offers non-apologies like, “We’re sorry for the way you feel.”

Surbouncer, which offers VPN services for international travelers who need to stay connected, is not one of those companies.

Price used Surfbouncer on a recent trip to China, “and it seemed to work well.”

“When I returned from the trip I requested them to cancel the service,” he says. “Not only did they fail to cancel my account, but they continued to charge my PayPal account.”

When he asked the company to stop charging him, here’s the reply he says he received:

We owe you nothing. We don’t keep logs so we have no idea if you used it recently or not.

I see you’ve managed to find the cancellation feature in PayPal. So you see it was not that hard.

All you needed to do was go to your PayPal account and cancel the subscription. We advised you three time [sic] to do this. Your failure to do so is not our fault, it’s yours.

What’s so hard about taking some personal responsibility instead of blaming others for your failures?

Price says that’s not true. Surfbouncer advised him to “find the cancel” button, which didn’t exist.

“Only after filing a dispute with PayPal was the subscription canceled,” he says, adding, “As you can tell from the tone of their response, they are out to defraud people. Reputable companies when a written request for a cancelation is made it is respected. My advice is to never use Surfbouncer for any services.”

I was troubled by the exchange between Price and the company. Mostly, I wanted to know if a representative had really sent that response to a customer.

So I asked.

“It’s quite simple,” a representative told me. “The customer asked to cancel the PayPal subscription. We told him three times how to do it. He never replied to any of our responses saying he couldn’t find the button or did not know how to do it.”

Surbouncer seemed genuinely exasperated with Price. It claims PayPal sent him a notice before charging his account, which he apparently ignored. Also, its website clearly discloses the recurring nature of its charges, the company insists. In other words, once you sign up for Surfbouncer, you’ll get charged once a month until you cancel.

“The bottom line is that he was completely aware he was being charged every week,” the Surfbouncer representative told me.

Why the tone? Surfbouncer is a small business, and actions like Price’s can be costly.

“We don’t appreciate customers having the service for months and then going to PayPal and getting all their money back,” said the representative. “He wants to claim he didn’t use it. We don’t know if he did or didn’t.”

So who’s right? In fact, Surfbouncer does offer some disclosures on its site, and it makes a valid point about PayPal chargebacks.

Are the notifications clear enough? That’s debatable. Even if it does everything right from its side, it must still rely on PayPal to notify its customers of the monthly bills.

But Surbouncer is wrong – any company is wrong, for that matter – asking a customer “What’s so hard about taking some personal responsibility?”

This is customer service 101. Never lose your temper with a customer, and if you do, try not to put it in writing.

Is a company ever justified in scolding a customer?

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  • hardcoded

    As promised how to cancel a subscription payment in PayPal…

    After logging into PayPal from within the “My Account” tab you will click the “Basic Search” link under the “History” drop down. After you do that use the “More Filters ” drop down and slide out to select subscriptions. You will also need to change the dates to go far enough back to see the subscription you are looking for. If I remember correctly once you search and come upon an active subscription you should be able to cancel from there. It has been a while since I have had a subscription, but am pretty sure this will let you manage the ones you do have.

  • hardcoded

    Here are the instructions as found on PayPal…

    Cancelling a subscription cancels all future scheduled payments of that subscription. A subscription can be cancelled up until the day of the next scheduled payment.

    Log in to your PayPal account.

    Click the My Account tab.

    Click the History subtab.

    Click More filters, select Subscriptions and agreements, and then click Subscriptions.

    Change the date back to the year the subscription was created, and then click Show.

    Click Details next to the subscription.

    Click Cancel Subscription.

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    If you’re in China and want to be able to use Hulu or Facebook, you need a VPN.

  • Helio

    It is not only the case of some country blocking some web addresses.

    If you are traveling overseas, you may not be able to access some services in US websites that you are used to, because of potential copyrights infringements.

    I live in Brazil, my government doesn’t block internet access, but I cannot access Pandora or Hulu, by example. This is the message I receive if I try to access Pandora:

    “Dear Pandora Visitor,
    We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S., Australia and New Zealand. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.
    We believe that you are in Brazil (your IP address appears to be 177.148.188.61). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please email us.”

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    If you’re in China and want to be able to use Hulu or Facebook, you need a VPN.

  • Helio

    It is not only the case of some country blocking some web addresses.

    If you are traveling overseas, you may not be able to access some services in US websites that you are used to, because of potential copyrights infringements.

    I live in Brazil, my government doesn’t block internet access, but I cannot access Pandora or Hulu, by example. This is the message I receive if I try to access Pandora:

    “Dear Pandora Visitor,
    We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S., Australia and New Zealand. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.
    We believe that you are in Brazil (your IP address appears to be 177.148.188.61). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please email us.”

  • TonyA_says
  • TonyA_says
  • TonyA_says

    For countries of the Free World like Brazil, then maybe a proxy server in the USA is good enough.

    But then again, someone has found a better way:
    http://lifehacker.com/5583515/access-hulu-from-outside-the-us-without-a-proxy-server

  • TonyA_says

    For countries of the Free World like Brazil, then maybe a proxy server in the USA is good enough.

    But then again, someone has found a better way:
    http://lifehacker.com/5583515/access-hulu-from-outside-the-us-without-a-proxy-server

  • overeasy

    Years ago, in the infancy of the web, I ran a subscription-based website. Everything we did was above board, and we were a small business. Yet we still had clients who claimed that we had somehow defrauded them or “whatever.” They would complain to their credit card companies and, inevitably we would have to absorb the charge back. It was costly and it was a pain. I some ways, I can understand this company’s frustration…..

  • overeasy

    Years ago, in the infancy of the web, I ran a subscription-based website. Everything we did was above board, and we were a small business. Yet we still had clients who claimed that we had somehow defrauded them or “whatever.” They would complain to their credit card companies and, inevitably we would have to absorb the charge back. It was costly and it was a pain. I some ways, I can understand this company’s frustration…..

  • Helio

    And I’m a Firefox’s fan… ;-)

  • Helio

    And I’m a Firefox’s fan… ;-)

  • Price

    Hey folks, Price here. happy that Chris can provide a place for customer service issues to be discussed. My experience with surfbouncer was pretty difficult. Here are a few details/followup. My trip to China was in early September, while i was there I discovered facebook, youtube, blogs, and various websites were blocked. So I turned to google to figure out how I could stay connected. (didn’t wan’t to miss any of Mr. Elliott’s posts) So I found surfbouncer, I admit, I’m to blame for part of my customer service issues. I hastily found a solution, signed up, and got online. I’ll likely get some flack from ya’ll for not having throughly read the “fine print”. But I originally didn’t realize my $5 weekly access fee was self renewing. Surfbouncer claims they sent me a weekly notice of my payment, and that is simply not true. When I logged onto my paypal account (something I don’t do frequently) I noticed the auto billing to surfbouncer. At this point I write them to cancel my account. The month of charges I incurred, I never disputed. I chaulked these charges up to the tax you pay for not being smart enough to read the fine print. I exchanged a few emails with surfbouncer during which time they instructed me to push the “cancel” button located inside my payment. There is no such button. I responded and again asked them to cancel, they never responded and I frankly forgot all about it. When I returned to my paypal account some months later, I noticed they had failed to cancel and I was pissed. This is when I called paypal and began this whole scuttlebutt. Anyway, I’m thankful that Chris provides such a helpful forum to discuss and weigh in. Cheers

  • Price

    Hey folks, Price here. happy that Chris can provide a place for customer service issues to be discussed. My experience with surfbouncer was pretty difficult. Here are a few details/followup. My trip to China was in early September, while i was there I discovered facebook, youtube, blogs, and various websites were blocked. So I turned to google to figure out how I could stay connected. (didn’t wan’t to miss any of Mr. Elliott’s posts) So I found surfbouncer, I admit, I’m to blame for part of my customer service issues. I hastily found a solution, signed up, and got online. I’ll likely get some flack from ya’ll for not having throughly read the “fine print”. But I originally didn’t realize my $5 weekly access fee was self renewing. Surfbouncer claims they sent me a weekly notice of my payment, and that is simply not true. When I logged onto my paypal account (something I don’t do frequently) I noticed the auto billing to surfbouncer. At this point I write them to cancel my account. The month of charges I incurred, I never disputed. I chaulked these charges up to the tax you pay for not being smart enough to read the fine print. I exchanged a few emails with surfbouncer during which time they instructed me to push the “cancel” button located inside my payment. There is no such button. I responded and again asked them to cancel, they never responded and I frankly forgot all about it. When I returned to my paypal account some months later, I noticed they had failed to cancel and I was pissed. This is when I called paypal and began this whole scuttlebutt. Anyway, I’m thankful that Chris provides such a helpful forum to discuss and weigh in. Cheers

  • rybashka

    VPNs are often used by people who want to download torrent movies, TV shows, music, etc. but who also don’t want to get sued. The failure to keep logs is one of a VPN company’s selling points.

  • rybashka

    VPNs are often used by people who want to download torrent movies, TV shows, music, etc. but who also don’t want to get sued. The failure to keep logs is one of a VPN company’s selling points.

  • EdB

    You don’t really understand what a VPN is, do you?

  • EdB

    You don’t really understand what a VPN is, do you?