The latest car rental scam: hail damage?

A few years ago, car rental companies made a small but profitable change to their contracts. They said if one of their vehicles was damaged by an Act of God, you were on the hook for the car.

Since then, I’ve received reports from time to time about hail damage claims that may or may not be legit. Usually they get worked out long before I have to get involved — after a little back-and-forth, the claim is quietly dropped because the car rental company can’t be sure the hailstorm happened before or after the drop-off.

But Spencer Gorman’s case was a little different. In September, he rented a Nissan SUV from Enterprise in downtown Philadelphia. When he returned it, he says an Enterprise representative told him he needed to fill out a damage claim form since there had been a hail storm in the area. He says he began taking pictures of the vehicle, which he claims was undamaged by hail.

“I knew something was wrong,” he says. “I was asked to leave and she threatened to call the police when I started [taking] the photos.”

Gorman says Enterprise moved quickly on its claim. By the time he phoned his insurance company half an hour later, the car rental company had already filed a claim, saying there had been hail damage to the vehicle.

“The next day I noticed a $500 charge on my credit card, which had also been charged at around 4 p.m., just after my insurance company was called.”

Gorman searched for evidence of hailstorms within a 150-mile radius of his home, but couldn’t find any. His insurance company had doubts about the validity of the claim, and after conducting its own investigation, refused to cover it.

Then Gorman received a package from Enterprise with copies of photos of his car, none of which showed any damage to the car, he says.

I received a bill for $2,575, which had the $500 already deducted, and a nasty threatening letter saying I was responsible for damage to the car. There was nothing about hail being mentioned.

I am accused of damage to the right fender, the left fender, the liftgate, the hood, the roof, the pillars rocker and floor, headliner right and left sun visor and the map lamp, as well as the left and right inside panel.

No point of impact is mentioned, no accident, but the odometer is logged in at 15,968. I turned the car in at 15,216 miles.

Gorman thinks this is a scam. I asked Enterprise if it could review his case.

A representative called him back and here’s how the conversation went, according to Gorman.

The person you called on my behalf called me. He was rude and said, ‘Enterprise has every right to use black lights or whatever methods they deem necessary to see damage that a customer may not see.’

He said, ‘Enterprise has every right to charge renters for this damage.’

He said, ‘Just because damage is not visible at the time of rental does not excuse the renter. The contract is ironclad and Enterprise does not negotiate.’

That’s a strange response.

Certainly, a car rental company has the right to inspect for damage any way it sees fit, although black lights seem a little over the top. I agree, too, that Enterprise has the right to charge for damage to a car.

But there’s no excuse for being rude about it. And driving a car another 700 miles before making the repairs strikes me as odd.

This isn’t the first car rental hail damage claim I’ve received in the last few weeks. Are car rental companies capitalizing on the weather? If they are, it seems like a stupid way to make extra money. The law will catch up to them, eventually. Indeed, Gorman has taken this case to the FBI, asserting that Enterprise is engaging in insurance fraud.

I’m not sure. I haven’t seen photos of the car, and Enterprise’s response to my request for a review is so out of character, I just can’t believe it would act that way.

Is Enterprise trying to scam Spencer Gorman?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/colgan102001 Aaron Miller

    I have had to call the police on customers who were screaming at me within an inch of my face over a gas charge. It’s not something we like to do, and never something we do as a first resort. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I do not believe, FOR ONE SECOND, that the threat to call police came because of the pictures. Here is what I believe the sequence of events was:

    1. ERAC employee pointed out damage to Mr. Gorman.

    2. Mr. Gorman became angry and belligerent.

    3. Employees asked Mr. Gorman to leave, which they have every right to do, as it is a private business on private property.

    4. Mr. Gorman refused to do so and started taking pictures of the car.

    Sorry that I don’t accept what the OP says as 100% fact without questioning anything, like you do apparently.

    DISCLAIMER: My views are mine alone and do not reflect the views of EHI, Enterprise, Alamo, National, or any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Your nonsensical defenses of this scam are becoming comical. But thanks for the entertainment! And thanks for letting us know the type of people who work at Enterprise. They are now permanently off my list as a company with whom I will ever do business.

  • pauletteb

    And you just proved what most of us think: You’re either an Enterprise employee or, more likely, a franchisee/corporate honcho. As such, your comments have no merit. THAT’S the end of the story.

  • http://www.facebook.com/colgan102001 Aaron Miller

    Proof that the OP declines to share, for some reason, either with Chris or publicly. Yeah, reeeeeeeeal credible.

    DISCLAIMER: My views and posts are mine alone and do not reflect those of EHI, Enterprise, Alamo, National, or any of their partners or subsidiaries.

  • pauletteb

    We really didn’t need additional proof of your corporate affiliation, but thanks anyway!

  • LeeAnneClark

    Too late, Aaron Miller. You spoke up for Enterprise. You can offer all the disclaimers you want, but the damage is done. You have shown us the type of employee Enterprise has working for them – someone who is clearly anti-customer, considers customers to be pains-in-the-arse that you detest and will fight with every chance you get, rather than the reason your company exists. You support a clearly illegal scam being perpetrated against your customers. And you speak rudely and belligerently to potential customers.

    I will be sending a letter to Enterprise Corporate thanking them for the years of business, but letting them know that due to their recent practice of attempting to scam customers for false damage claims, I will no longer use them. And I will be sure to mention your name as a contributing factor in my decision.

  • LeeAnneClark

    DISCLAIMER: Your disclaimer is useless. You are speaking for Enterprise. You have cost them business. Face it, accept responsibility for your actions. And good luck on the job market.

  • DavidYoung2

    The best defense against this is to have a big, vicious dog on your side. We use the Amex insurance (in California it’s like $18.00 per rental) and it’s PRIMARY. So two years ago Thrifty tried this with us (uh, oh, those scratches weren’t there when you rented it), I said, “Go ahead and fight with Amex, I really don’t care.”

    Guess what — nothing ever came of it. They might intimidate Joe Renter into paying for a bogus claim. That ain’t gonna work with Amex.

  • pauletteb

    Car rental companies shouldn’t get to choose what parts of the contract they want to follow either, but they try to do it all the time. Hey, tomorrow’s Friday; you can swing by Enterprise and pick up your paycheck.

  • LeeAnneClark

    According to the story he’s gone beyond that – he’s contacted the FBI. Good for him! These illegal scams need to be stopped.

  • TonyA_says

    Below, he says he works for Enterprise…

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    For what it’s worth, your version of what happened is very plausible. Those of us who have ever worked retail have probably encountered at least one enraged customer.
    Your defense of your company is admirable. It’s nice to know that some people stick up for their employers. I’ve never had a bad experience with Enterprise, but I’ve also never had an agent go around the car with me for a pre-inspection nor for a post-inspection.
    I have had employees with other rental car companies get genuinely cranky with me for taking pictures before I would accept a car and before I would leave after returning a car. Customers aren’t the only people that become irrational.
    I’d also like to point out that Mr. Gorman’s original damage claim (per Enterprise) was for hail damage, but the current damage under dispute was for interior damage. You point out that we don’t have both sides of the story, but this change in claimed damages sure puts Enterprise in a bad light and discredits all of their statements.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1426036114 Marilyn P Daggett

    I have seen a lot of Philly desk agents in rental companies and at the airport copping an attitude, even if asked a simple question without any implications. It’s as if they are just there to collect a paycheck and not to help the client. This doesn’t surprise me and I would take it all the way to the top if I was in this situation. The City of Brotherly Love sure ain’t that friendly…

  • LeeAnneClark

    Loving these disclaimers. They are meaningless. You are speaking for Enterprise, and that’s how we’re taking it. Thanks again for showing us the type of customer-hating employee Enterprise hires. It seals the deal on whether or not any of us reading this blog will ever use Enterprise again.

  • JB

    Enterprise and their other company National are Scam experts! Should be avoided at all times!

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    I’m planning to fly into Philly and rent a car for a week sometime in the spring. Thanks for the heads up. I’ll have to research car rental companies very carefully – any of them NOT give you an attitude?

  • sara8032

    “…told him he needed to fill out a damage claim form since there had been a hail storm in the area. ”
    It doesn’t say he had to fill out the damage claim form because of apparent hail damage; but strictly based on their vague claim of there having been a hail storm “in the area”. Kind of like “wind cause some tree branches to fall somewhere in the area, so we’re going to have you fill out this damage claim form now just in case we in some hundred driven miles later decide that a branch fell on THIS car under your watch.” Not that much different, just bigger falling objects, but to point out the ridiculousness of it.
    And then it seems as though they have tried to charge him for every single bit of wear and tear and damage the car has received throughout its entire rental history.

    Both my vehicles received hail damage recently. One dark blue, the a very shiny silver. The dents, both tiny and larger, are pretty obvious at various angles, and I don’t even need black light to find them all, though I respect their right to inspect their vehicles with it. And none of the damage appeared in the inside of the vehicle.

    And isn’t it a little odd that the company wouldn’t even respond to Mr. Elliott, but rather give the OP another supposed threatening call instead? If they had actual proof, it would seem that they would make a reasoned statement of this in response to Mr. Elliot, as most other companies do that he writes about?
    As he said, the behaviour described sounds odd for Enterprise as a company, so I have a feeling it is more that there is something going on at this particular location. I agree with you that the OP likely said a lot of things that he shouldn’t have and that he’s leaving out of the story, but this Enterprise location’s actions in regards to just the claim itself seem a bit bizarre that unless corporate Enterprise gets involved and investigates, the OP should probably bring it legal attention.

    (Personally, I’ve never had any issues renting from Enterprise, most of the times though it’s been because they’ve got ties with my car dealer and I’ve taken my car in for repair. Only a couple of the times have there been any damage on the rental, once just a couple of scratches that I had them note ahead of time, and the other vehicle had so many things that the poor guy ran out of space to note all the dents, scratches, and various damages when I pointed them out. But it was obvious he would’ve just glossed over the damage during the pre-inspection if I hadn’t forced him to stay while I made the inspection and pointed everything out.)

  • y_p_w

    You don’t seem to get it.

    Mr. Gorman claims that there was no damage when he returned the car and that he was threatened with the police if he continued to take pictures at the time of return. When the bill came, the mileage on the damage report was several hundred miles higher than when he returned it.

    What to make of this? Probably that the damage occurred while in the care of another renter or Enterprise itself. That’s what any reasonable person would gather.

  • Annette

    I have never, not even once, been taken on a pre-rental inspection of a car. I’m always just handed the keys and told where to find my car – and sometimes not even that is correct.

  • Annette

    I agree, hail damage is VERY easy to spot and very identifiable. One of our cars was outside in a hail storm once, it looked like a golf ball afterward with dimples everywhere.

  • DougG

    Personal attacks against commenters who have different opinions than your own? Come on, I thought this community was better than this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/asiansm Dang Ph

    By my own experience with the insurer of my car. Hail damage is cover, because it consider a “collision” between the hail and the car, even the car is not moving. So if you have a collision cover with the car-rental insurance or your own car insurance, it must be cover. Of course we are not cover by the bad purpose intention from the car-renters.

  • tomjuno

    The contract? You are referring, I take it, to that impenetrable document that would take any ordinary mortal an hour or two to read, absorb and digest, let alone understand, but who is pressed to sign immediately. Clearly defined. you say. Yeah, right. Those roiling phrases, when taken to court, have been proven again and again to be vague, unfair and hilariously unreasonable, and the rental company’s case thrown out forthwith – no matter what the contract purports to say. Though the rental company often backs down before a wronged, but knowledgeable, customer can make his/her case. I’ll say it again: rogue franchisees are ruining the rental trade for solid, responsible franchisees, and the franchises must rein in the rogues to protect the reputation of their names. If they don’t want government to do it for them.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Not sure how it’s a personal attack to point out that it takes a distinct lack of integrity to defend a blatant criminal scam. But like I said, different people have different standards.

  • emanon256

    My actual experience at Enterprise the last time I rented there, and it was the last time for this very reason.

    1. I rented the car, and waived insurance as I had $0 deductible coverage through my credit card. I did not see any apparent damage on the car. The car was wet from just being washed.

    2. I returned to the parking lot to see paint on the side of the car as if someone sideswiped it. No dent, just a paint line. So I called the credit card and was faxed the insurance forms and a letter to give to enterprise explaining how the claims process works. The credit card agent told me not to pay any deductable to enterpirse, and warned me they would try to collect a deductible.

    3. I returned the car and told enterprise about the damage, gave them the claims forms, and asked if they needed me to fill out any paperwork.

    4. Enterprise employee demanded I pay $500 on the spot as that is the standard deductible.

    5. I pointed out that the policy is a zero deductible, and that they need to file the paperwork with the credit card company. I was very calm and polite.

    6. Enterprise employee said they would call the police unless I paid $500 immediately.

    7. I stated I had to leave to catch my flight, and that I gave them the paperwork and that I would not pay the $500 as its a zero deductible policy. Again, I was calm and polite.

    8. Agent became belligerent yelling that he is calling the police and I will be arrested for theft, etc.

    9. I told them to call the police if they much, but that I needed to leave. I left, and later learned from the adjuster that the claim was denied as the documentation showed that they claim had been reported multiple times, and was noted on multiple return documents from the same car. According to the adjuster it was the type of scrape that you cant see when the car is wet, but it appears again once its dry.

    So I would say based on my experience, others experiences, and the OPs experience, that its SOP for Enterprise to threaten to call the police. That is just the way they do business.

  • barb

    I hope you do a follow-up piece on this, would LOVE to hear how the FBI investigation goes (and/or how quickly Enterprise backs down once they’re involved)

  • LeeAnneClark

    Was your agent’s name Aaron Miller?

  • emanon256

    HAHAHAHA!!! I wish I remembered. :)

  • Raven_Altosk

    I’m willing to bet our resident rat gets a bonus for every $500 “deductible” he extorts from people.

  • TonyA_says

    Thanks I like this idea – AMEX for PRIMARY insurance.
    It’s $24.95 outside of CA but at least I can sleep better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/colgan102001 Aaron Miller

    Yes, when all else fails, respond with personal attacks! Also, way to go showing your true ignorance regarding the industry. I don’t know of a single rental company that rewards employees for damage claims.

    DISCLAIMER: my opinions are mine and mine alone and do not reflect that of EHI, Enterprise, Alamo, National, or any of their partners or subsidiaries.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    “But hey, rush to conclusions all you want. I prefer to think over issue more critically.”

    Okay, let’s look at it critically. Let’s assume the calling the cops thing is totally bogus and the OP was horrid to the employees. Still doesn’t explain why they got billed for non-existent hail damage. Or why Enterprise would claim that black lights are perfectly acceptable for detecting such damage. (Because invisible damage on a rental car needs to be repaired?) The fact the OP’s insurance declined payment says a lot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/colgan102001 Aaron Miller

    I would never take anything Leeanne says seriously. I mean, this is a women who has called every TSA agent evil. Literally, every single agent. She made the distinction herself on a past blog post. Just the rumblings of a left wing lunatic…

  • LeeAnneClark

    Ah, I see we have a real courageous troll here, using an anonymous profile to blast people. And of course he brings up politics…because that’s what anonymous trolls do when they have nothing of real value to add to the discussion. :::rolling eyes:::

  • LeeAnneClark

    LOL! Your “disclaimers” are some of the funniest stuff I’ve seen in here in a long time. I’m sure your employers at Enterprise will be real thrilled that you drove away untold numbers of customers by speaking on their behalf, and then trying to take back your words through these hilarious “disclaimers”.

    It brings to mind an ostrich shouting out something offensive, then sticking its head in the sand, thinking that we can’t see its butt. Guess what, Aaron? We can still see your butt!

  • MarlaM

    Chris contacted Enterprise and they could have given their side of the story at that time. They chose not to. Therefore we are left to believe that the Op’s story is accurate.

  • mikegun

    Actually, I just rented last weekend with Enterprise and got a thorough walk around with the agent at pickup. There were some scuff marks on the back bumper, I pointed them out and he said “Don’t worry about that.”, so I asked if it was OK if I took a picture and he said “By all means, please do!”….so I did.

    Upon return I also had a walk around and pointed the scuff marks out to the agent and again was told not to worry about it. (I didn’t even say it was there when i picked it up, she was genuinely not concerned with it.) She marked the car as returned with no damage and I was on my way.

    I usually don’t rent much with them. This was a direct bill account with another company and they arranged it.

    Of course….as we can see from the story…a big YMMV with Enterprise!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=567490502 Barry Moss

    Thanks for sharing Chris. I’d be really interested to find out if this is a corporate level issue for Enterprise, or if it’s just one location running a scam. In any case, I’ll be avoiding them for now.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Just a note to the Enterprise management staff whom I know are now reading this blog: all of the comments in here that say they are from “Guest” originally were attributed to “Aaron Miller”. It appears he has deactivated one of his profiles, so the name now says “Guest”. But be assured that the name that was there earlier today wherever you see “Guest” in this thread was “Aaron Miller”.

  • LeeAnneClark

    This post was previously attributed to “Aaron Miller”.

  • Jim H.

    This is why we don’t rent with Enterprise; we’ve heard so many stories like this. They charged our daughter-in-law’ credit card months after the fact for “damage” she hadn’t caused and which they couldn’t explain. She said that she wasn’t paying, and they said that if she couldn’t pay, she could never rent a car again… so she paid.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Please. Let’s keep this civil, folks.

  • y_p_w

    I’m guessing the account has either been deleted or that a moderator has banned Mr. Miller from any further participation. In my experience many message board and comment systems display participants as “guest” when one of those two things happen.

    As for the comments by Mr Miller, I would note that he didn’t merely state that perhaps we’re only hearing from one side of the story. He was seemingly adamant that if Enterprise as claiming damage, it must have been the fault of Mr. Gorman and not some scam to pin the blame or get some sort of revenue. In the past many car rental agencies would have considered small things to be the cost of doing business. These days I realize they’re running on razor thin margins and are looking for ways to recoup their investment even if it alienates potential future customers.

  • y_p_w

    It all depends. I’ve rented from Enterprise at SNA and MIA. I actually had a pretty good experience, although I wasn’t renting or returning at a peak time. I didn’t quite get the car I wanted (I wanted something with a trunk in Miami) but nobody broke into it.

    Of course I had no damages. I remember when “no problem” was the key phrase, especially since most rental agencies were operating on reasonable margins with hefty fleet discounts. I understand the discounts are still there, but not as great as they used to be with the Big 3 trying to turn a profit.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    Do you work for “Rent-a-Wreck”?

  • LeeAnneClark

    My guess is that Enterprise made Mr. Miller delete his account. This was being discussed on the Enterprise facebook page, so management is well aware that Aaron Miller was posting on their behalf in here.

    And I agree with you about the tenor of Mr. Miller’s comments, which is why I found them so egregious.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    Rent-a-Wreck.

  • RetiredNavyphotog

    The FBI is too busy sending shirtless photos to rich women in Tampa.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Just trying to keep it real, Christopher. As someone who was victimized by one of these false damage claim scams (which I’ve written about in here before), I don’t take too kindly to people who defend such criminal behavior. And neither do many others in here who’ve also been victimized.

    As for Aaron Miller’s now deleted profiles, I happen to be aware that Enterprise management is now viewing this article and felt they should know what was posted under the name “Aaron Miller” which now shows as posted by “Guest”.

  • l2y2

    Scam, pure and simple. The threat of the cops should have been the first clue this was going to get nasty. I take pictures before and after at AVIS all the time and they are ALWAYS polite and accommodating. It seems most of the damage scams you report come from Enterprise, Dollar and National. I will never rent from any of them. Go after them, Chris!