Did Lufthansa “steal” her laptop computer?

lufthansaStacey Tappan claims Lufthansa stole her laptop computer, and she wants me to help her get it back.

Before I get to her story, let me acknowledge that terms like “stealing” and “theft” can mean different things to people. We’ve seen that in several recent stories, and sometimes, we have to agree to disagree.

But Tappan stretches the definition of stealing, even for me.

On a recent flight from Frankfurt to Boston, someone grabbed her computer, and she’s holding the airline responsible.

She explains:

I had a seat in the middle of the center aisle of Row 29. I put my laptop, in a neoprene case, under the seat in front of me so I could watch a show on it during the flight, and put my knitting project bag on top of it, then put my carry-on in the overhead.

I got out a book of puzzles and did one while I watched a movie on my seatback screen. I sat in my seat like this all through boarding.

About four hours into the flight, I reached for my laptop, but it wasn’t there. I asked the folks in the row in front of me if it had slid there, and someone sitting on the left-hand side of the plane in Row 28 said a couple with a baby had found it and gave it to a flight attendant.

So the laptop had slid down to the next seat and had been picked up by the next passenger, but it was safe.

“I didn’t see or hear any of this happen,” she says. “No one asked me or anyone in my row about a missing laptop, and there were no announcements.”

By the way, if you want more details, she’s written about the experience on her blog.

When she asked about the laptop, a flight attendant told her that it had been offloaded in Frankfurt before departure. The crew had thought that it was forgotten by a passenger on the previous flight.

The purser assured me that I just had to contact a Lufthansa agent once I got to Boston and my laptop would be sent to me.

I spoke to both her and the flight attendant as well as the couple. None of them had tried to see if the laptop belonged to someone. I got a written statement about what happened from the purser.

The next day she heard back from Lufthansa. A representative told her the airline could not mail it back to her or bring it on one of its aircraft.

I would have to arrange for someone in Frankfurt to pick it up and get it to me.

This is completely ridiculous. Not only have I lost my laptop due to Lufthansa’s mistake of not checking before they removed it, but I am supposed to bear all the cost and responsibility of getting it back.

Now folks, I’m not sure if this rises to the level of stealing but it is certainly problematic. At least the crew could have made an announcement, asking if anyone was missing a laptop. It isn’t immediately clear that Tappan would have responded, though – after all, she didn’t notice her computer was missing until four hours into the flight.

I asked Lufthansa to see if it could reunite the passenger with her PC. It responded directly to her, repeating that she could pick up the computer in Frankfurt. “Kindly understand that Lufthansa is not able to reimburse you the shipping cost of your laptop since our flight crew and ground staff followed proper protocol,” it added.

Ultimately, Tappan asked a friend to pick up to laptop and she paid $93 to get her electronic device.

That doesn’t sit well with her. “Lufthansa is responsible for the mistake! If my friends do pick it up, Lufthansa should definitely cover the shipping costs, but they should be going out of their way to take care of this,” she says.

I’m not sure if Lufthansa stole her computer, but it could have done a better job reuniting it. I can understand her anger, and I wish I could have helped mediate a better resolution.

Should Lufthansa have shipped the laptop back to the States at its expense?

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  • TonyA_says

    So she does not want to pay for shipping charges and calls the airline a thief. Yet another AWESOME (ugly) american tourist.

    Correct link to the soprano’s blog http://off-coloratura.livejournal.com/174560.html
    Quote:

    I’ve written to Lufthansa’s customer service, lost property departments, the authorities at Lufthansa and United, the FAA, the DOT, and the German aviation authority, and have not heard back yet from them. Please spread the word on LJ, Twitter, and Facebook. Link this post everywhere you can. Get public about your disgust with an airline that takes people’s property and refuses to take action to fix its mistakes. Let’s make it impossible for Lufthansa to ignore this.
    If writing to the authorities or social media pressure won’t make them respond, I am calling the police.

  • TonyA_says

    So she does not want to pay for shipping charges and calls the airline a thief. Yet another AWESOME (ugly) american tourist.

    Correct link to the soprano’s blog http://off-coloratura.livejournal.com/174560.html
    Quote:

    I’ve written to Lufthansa’s customer service, lost property departments, the authorities at Lufthansa and United, the FAA, the DOT, and the German aviation authority, and have not heard back yet from them. Please spread the word on LJ, Twitter, and Facebook. Link this post everywhere you can. Get public about your disgust with an airline that takes people’s property and refuses to take action to fix its mistakes. Let’s make it impossible for Lufthansa to ignore this.
    If writing to the authorities or social media pressure won’t make them respond, I am calling the police.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Fixed the link. The curly-quotes from MS Word had confused WordPress. It’s always something …

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Fixed the link. The curly-quotes from MS Word had confused WordPress. It’s always something …

  • Adam1222

    She stole Lufthansa’s reputation by accusing them of stealing when nothing of the sort happened. She was in credibly lucky to get the computer back. She should be ashamed of herself.

  • Adam1222

    She stole Lufthansa’s reputation by accusing them of stealing when nothing of the sort happened. She was in credibly lucky to get the computer back. She should be ashamed of herself.

  • BillCCC

    Nobody stole her laptop but I do think that the airline should ship it her. Another lesson to be learned, do not let anything valuable out of your sight.

  • BillCCC

    Nobody stole her laptop but I do think that the airline should ship it her. Another lesson to be learned, do not let anything valuable out of your sight.

  • Steve Rabin

    Did she have her name on the case or the laptop? Aren’t passengers responsible for their own carry-ons? This one sounds like a case of “it’s anyone else’s fault but mine”. My opinion: if she wants her laptop back, pay the $93. This one isn’t Lufthansa’s fault.

  • Steve Rabin

    Did she have her name on the case or the laptop? Aren’t passengers responsible for their own carry-ons? This one sounds like a case of “it’s anyone else’s fault but mine”. My opinion: if she wants her laptop back, pay the $93. This one isn’t Lufthansa’s fault.

  • EdB

    Maybe next time she flies, she might invest in a thicker computer bag, one that is not skinny enough to slip under the guard in the seat in front of her. I’m guessing when she put her knitting on top of the laptop, she pushed the computer out.

  • EdB

    Maybe next time she flies, she might invest in a thicker computer bag, one that is not skinny enough to slip under the guard in the seat in front of her. I’m guessing when she put her knitting on top of the laptop, she pushed the computer out.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    I’m with @TonyA_says:disqus on this one (wow we actually agree). Control of her personal items is her responsibility. I also have issues with her story. How does her laptop move forward a row and to the side of a jumbo jet while its sitting at the gate?

  • john4868

    I’m with @TonyA_says:disqus on this one (wow we actually agree). Control of her personal items is her responsibility. I also have issues with her story. How does her laptop move forward a row and to the side of a jumbo jet while its sitting at the gate?

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    Did I miss the part where she was grateful they found it, kept it safe and where the OP offered to pay for the shipping and insurance? I’m SURE that must have been in the article somewhere…

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    Did I miss the part where she was grateful they found it, kept it safe and where the OP offered to pay for the shipping and insurance? I’m SURE that must have been in the article somewhere…

  • technomage1

    Doesn’t Lufthansa fly around the world? How hard would it be to put it on a flight to Boston or drop it in the mail? While she is responsible for her belongings, its a bit disappointing that they didn’t try at all to get her the laptop.

    They certainly didn’t steal it, but they didn’t make any effort to get it back to her, either.

  • technomage1

    Doesn’t Lufthansa fly around the world? How hard would it be to put it on a flight to Boston or drop it in the mail? While she is responsible for her belongings, its a bit disappointing that they didn’t try at all to get her the laptop.

    They certainly didn’t steal it, but they didn’t make any effort to get it back to her, either.

  • MarkKelling

    No one stole her laptop.

    If Lufthansa had said they did not have the laptop or required it to be picked up within a short number of days, or if the flight crew had not turned it in as a lost item, then you could say they stole it. But none of this happened.

    When I am boarding a plane and I find something in or around my seat, I am not going to think it belongs to someone in the next row and will do exactly what the finders of this laptop did – let a flight attendant know about it and let them decide what to do. If the OP was already so wrapped up in watching her movie and doing puzzles that she didn’t notice the laptop being picked up, she probably would not have heard or paid attention to an announcement if the FAs had made one either.

    I do feel Lufthansa should have offered to ship the laptop to her at her expense instead of requiring someone to pick it up in Frankfurt.

  • MarkKelling

    No one stole her laptop.

    If Lufthansa had said they did not have the laptop or required it to be picked up within a short number of days, or if the flight crew had not turned it in as a lost item, then you could say they stole it. But none of this happened.

    When I am boarding a plane and I find something in or around my seat, I am not going to think it belongs to someone in the next row and will do exactly what the finders of this laptop did – let a flight attendant know about it and let them decide what to do. If the OP was already so wrapped up in watching her movie and doing puzzles that she didn’t notice the laptop being picked up, she probably would not have heard or paid attention to an announcement if the FAs had made one either.

    I do feel Lufthansa should have offered to ship the laptop to her at her expense instead of requiring someone to pick it up in Frankfurt.

  • sirwired

    I think this could be an example of the “honey and vinegar” cliche. Accusing the airline of “stealing” your laptop isn’t going to inspire anyone to go out of their way to help you. I can see why they aren’t that helpful by default; the paperwork to ship something expensive into the country (especially since they can’t vouch for if this is an attempt around import duties) are considerable. It’s not like sending a letter…

    And it was a reasonable conclusion to think it had been left on the plane… a laptop usually isn’t unsecured on the floor, so one moving a couple rows during a flight would indeed be quite unusual.

  • sirwired

    I think this could be an example of the “honey and vinegar” cliche. Accusing the airline of “stealing” your laptop isn’t going to inspire anyone to go out of their way to help you. I can see why they aren’t that helpful by default; the paperwork to ship something expensive into the country (especially since they can’t vouch for if this is an attempt around import duties) are considerable. It’s not like sending a letter…

    And it was a reasonable conclusion to think it had been left on the plane… a laptop usually isn’t unsecured on the floor, so one moving a couple rows during a flight would indeed be quite unusual.

  • Jeff Kolker

    Personally, I would be so relieved it was actually somewhere safe I would gladly pay the shipping to get it back. My entire life is on my laptop, and after a trip, photos and videos of the entire vacation. More than worth the $93. My only problem would have been getting back to Europe to pick up the device. Surely they could have sent it some form of COD or postage paid by recipient to get it back to her. That would have been perfect if it had been me.

  • Jeff Kolker

    Personally, I would be so relieved it was actually somewhere safe I would gladly pay the shipping to get it back. My entire life is on my laptop, and after a trip, photos and videos of the entire vacation. More than worth the $93. My only problem would have been getting back to Europe to pick up the device. Surely they could have sent it some form of COD or postage paid by recipient to get it back to her. That would have been perfect if it had been me.

  • commentfromme

    Wow what a whining ungrateful baby

  • commentfromme

    Wow what a whining ungrateful baby

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I have to say, putting a laptop in a neoprene cover on a carpeted floor certainly wasn’t the best idea, was it? I could see this coming from a mile away that it would slide from its spot and leave her control. I will usually put my laptop in the overhead until we can leave our seats, and THEN I’ll take it out. Too much can happen during take off and landing to trust it will stay in one place.

    And, Fly, Icarus, Fly has, perhaps, the most valid point in all of it – she should have been thrilled to have her laptop back, safe and sound. Doesn’t sound to me as though Lufthansa stole anything at all. I would guess they wanted a human being to show up so they could make sure the laptop wasn’t being put into the wrong hands and causing more problems.

  • ExplorationTravMag

    I have to say, putting a laptop in a neoprene cover on a carpeted floor certainly wasn’t the best idea, was it? I could see this coming from a mile away that it would slide from its spot and leave her control. I will usually put my laptop in the overhead until we can leave our seats, and THEN I’ll take it out. Too much can happen during take off and landing to trust it will stay in one place.

    And, Fly, Icarus, Fly has, perhaps, the most valid point in all of it – she should have been thrilled to have her laptop back, safe and sound. Doesn’t sound to me as though Lufthansa stole anything at all. I would guess they wanted a human being to show up so they could make sure the laptop wasn’t being put into the wrong hands and causing more problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PaulInChile Paul Lewis

    I agree with many of the posts here about her being ultimately responsible for her own property, but I also think that unless there were significant hurdles because of customs and such for transporting an electronic device internationally without its owner (which I don’t think there are – it was able to be shipped, after all), Lufthansa could have found a small bit of space to send the laptop back over the pond. We’re not talking about something that takes up that much space or that weighs that much. I don’t want to reward her rather ugly behaviour, but I think Lufthansa could have more customer-friendly policies, as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PaulInChile Paul Lewis

    I agree with many of the posts here about her being ultimately responsible for her own property, but I also think that unless there were significant hurdles because of customs and such for transporting an electronic device internationally without its owner (which I don’t think there are – it was able to be shipped, after all), Lufthansa could have found a small bit of space to send the laptop back over the pond. We’re not talking about something that takes up that much space or that weighs that much. I don’t want to reward her rather ugly behaviour, but I think Lufthansa could have more customer-friendly policies, as well.

  • ChBot

    Move forward : quite easy when you put it on the floor and keep adding things on top of it, probably pushing it forward !!!
    To the side : I guess it is an intelligent laptop and it used its legs !!!

  • ChBot

    Move forward : quite easy when you put it on the floor and keep adding things on top of it, probably pushing it forward !!!
    To the side : I guess it is an intelligent laptop and it used its legs !!!

  • emanon256

    I voted yes. I do think the OP, the finders, and Lufthansa all bear some responsibility. But Lufthansa bears most of the responsibility, and I believe they should have shipped it, even if it was at the OPs expense. Also, what if the OP didn’t have friends in FRA, they would really expect her to fly back there to get it? That is just ridiculous.

    The part where I think the OP bears responsibility is for putting a laptop direly on the floor, as they are often thinner than the bar. She should have made sure it would fit in its space, or put it in her knitting bag so it wouldn’t move around. Also, was she not paying enough attention to her surroundings that she didn’t see someone picking it up and handing it off? While the OPs inaction lead to the problem, it does not excuse Lufthansa in any way. The person who found should really have asked first, before calling a flight attendant, they are just rude for not doing that. I also think Lufthansa should have thought to ask. Since some people are already on board, they should not assume it was from a previous flight.

    It’s unfortunate that it ended up being removed, and had Lufthansa immediately offered to ship it back and apologized, I would have been fine. Even if they had offered to ship it, but told the OP to pay for it, I would have been fine. But the fact that they refused to ship it, even at her expense, and expect her to come pick it up is really is upsetting to me.

    Edit: I do disagree with calling it stealing, that is a little melodramatic for my taste.

    Edit 2: I have actually been on several flights where a laptop magically appeared around my feet. Usually the person behind me put it directly on the floor, and then slid some back in pushing the laptop under the bag bar. I always pick it up and ask the person behind me if its theirs. And usually its not even in a case. How stupid are people to put a laptop directly on the floor?

  • emanon256

    I voted yes. I do think the OP, the finders, and Lufthansa all bear some responsibility. But Lufthansa bears most of the responsibility, and I believe they should have shipped it, even if it was at the OPs expense. Also, what if the OP didn’t have friends in FRA, they would really expect her to fly back there to get it? That is just ridiculous.

    The part where I think the OP bears responsibility is for putting a laptop direly on the floor, as they are often thinner than the bar. She should have made sure it would fit in its space, or put it in her knitting bag so it wouldn’t move around. Also, was she not paying enough attention to her surroundings that she didn’t see someone picking it up and handing it off? While the OPs inaction lead to the problem, it does not excuse Lufthansa in any way. The person who found should really have asked first, before calling a flight attendant, they are just rude for not doing that. I also think Lufthansa should have thought to ask. Since some people are already on board, they should not assume it was from a previous flight.

    It’s unfortunate that it ended up being removed, and had Lufthansa immediately offered to ship it back and apologized, I would have been fine. Even if they had offered to ship it, but told the OP to pay for it, I would have been fine. But the fact that they refused to ship it, even at her expense, and expect her to come pick it up is really is upsetting to me.

    Edit: I do disagree with calling it stealing, that is a little melodramatic for my taste.

    Edit 2: I have actually been on several flights where a laptop magically appeared around my feet. Usually the person behind me put it directly on the floor, and then slid some back in pushing the laptop under the bag bar. I always pick it up and ask the person behind me if its theirs. And usually its not even in a case. How stupid are people to put a laptop directly on the floor?

  • ChBot

    I can understand Lufthansa not wishing to take care of handling the laptop to ship it back : there would be hell for them if it was to be broken during shipping as she would hold them responsible for it !…

  • ChBot

    I can understand Lufthansa not wishing to take care of handling the laptop to ship it back : there would be hell for them if it was to be broken during shipping as she would hold them responsible for it !…

  • emanon256

    Wow! I didn’t see that. She is pretty over the top. Really, the police, Untied, FAA, DOT? I am upset Lufthansa made her pick it up, I can see how annoying that is. Why not ship it to her at her expense?

  • emanon256

    Wow! I didn’t see that. She is pretty over the top. Really, the police, Untied, FAA, DOT? I am upset Lufthansa made her pick it up, I can see how annoying that is. Why not ship it to her at her expense?

  • emanon256

    I think it was the person on the side who told her about it, I don’t think it moved to the side. It sounds from her blog like it was the people in front of her who turned it in, only she wasn’t paying attention.

  • emanon256

    I think it was the person on the side who told her about it, I don’t think it moved to the side. It sounds from her blog like it was the people in front of her who turned it in, only she wasn’t paying attention.

  • mikegun

    Just a guess….but there are probably customs issues as well as liability should they send it back to her and it became damaged in transit.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    It’s a minor miracle she’s getting it back, so she should be grateful for her good fortune. But what a strange story. She boards, stows everything away and somehow her laptop that was under other items gets slid way off someplace and turned into the flight attendant without her noticing? And if it had just slid down to the next seat like the story says, who would turn in a laptop without asking everybody in that area if it was theirs? Plus, the attendant simply assumes it was a leftover from the last flight even though new passengers are on the plane with stuff stowed everywhere? Logic suggests that not only did the OP miss her laptop being slid away literally from under her feet but also some efforts to return it to her.

  • emanon256

    Oh, good point. I didn’t think of that.

  • mikegun

    Just a guess….but there are probably customs issues as well as liability should they send it back to her and it became damaged in transit.

  • Joe_D_Messina

    It’s a minor miracle she’s getting it back, so she should be grateful for her good fortune. But what a strange story. She boards, stows everything away and somehow her laptop that was under other items gets slid way off someplace and turned into the flight attendant without her noticing? And if it had just slid down to the next seat like the story says, who would turn in a laptop without asking everybody in that area if it was theirs? Plus, the attendant simply assumes it was a leftover from the last flight even though new passengers are on the plane with stuff stowed everywhere? Logic suggests that not only did the OP miss her laptop being slid away literally from under her feet but also some efforts to return it to her.

  • emanon256

    Oh, good point. I didn’t think of that.

  • ChBot

    Here is a quote from her blog :
    ” I got two responses: one from United’s main customer service person’s
    secretary, saying, “Sorry, we can’t make Lufthansa break their rules but
    here’s a $150 travel voucher from United!” And one from Lufthansa
    customer service saying “Frankfurt told us you picked up your laptop, so
    everything’s fine now!”
    HULK SMASH CUSTOMER SERVICE. Back to the letter-writing slog. ”

    Come on : she got $150 (ok, phony money, but still perfectly valid for her if she travels quite a lot, which is more than 150% of shipping costs !) and she still is trying to get compensated by Lufthansa !!!…

    All for her own mistake of putting her computer on the floor in the first place and not noticing what happens around her during boarding !!!

    Chris, I wish you would have opted to follow your own rules of not mediating lost luggage cases !!!

  • ChBot

    Here is a quote from her blog :
    ” I got two responses: one from United’s main customer service person’s
    secretary, saying, “Sorry, we can’t make Lufthansa break their rules but
    here’s a $150 travel voucher from United!” And one from Lufthansa
    customer service saying “Frankfurt told us you picked up your laptop, so
    everything’s fine now!”
    HULK SMASH CUSTOMER SERVICE. Back to the letter-writing slog. ”

    Come on : she got $150 (ok, phony money, but still perfectly valid for her if she travels quite a lot, which is more than 150% of shipping costs !) and she still is trying to get compensated by Lufthansa !!!…

    All for her own mistake of putting her computer on the floor in the first place and not noticing what happens around her during boarding !!!

    Chris, I wish you would have opted to follow your own rules of not mediating lost luggage cases !!!

  • ChBot

    According to her blog, it was flown back to the States by a friend and shipped UPS from within the US ! So we can’t really assume about the lack of hurdles to ship it back internationally !

  • ChBot

    According to her blog, it was flown back to the States by a friend and shipped UPS from within the US ! So we can’t really assume about the lack of hurdles to ship it back internationally !