Did Lufthansa “steal” her laptop computer?

lufthansaStacey Tappan claims Lufthansa stole her laptop computer, and she wants me to help her get it back.

Before I get to her story, let me acknowledge that terms like “stealing” and “theft” can mean different things to people. We’ve seen that in several recent stories, and sometimes, we have to agree to disagree.

But Tappan stretches the definition of stealing, even for me.

On a recent flight from Frankfurt to Boston, someone grabbed her computer, and she’s holding the airline responsible.

She explains:

I had a seat in the middle of the center aisle of Row 29. I put my laptop, in a neoprene case, under the seat in front of me so I could watch a show on it during the flight, and put my knitting project bag on top of it, then put my carry-on in the overhead.

I got out a book of puzzles and did one while I watched a movie on my seatback screen. I sat in my seat like this all through boarding.

About four hours into the flight, I reached for my laptop, but it wasn’t there. I asked the folks in the row in front of me if it had slid there, and someone sitting on the left-hand side of the plane in Row 28 said a couple with a baby had found it and gave it to a flight attendant.

So the laptop had slid down to the next seat and had been picked up by the next passenger, but it was safe.

“I didn’t see or hear any of this happen,” she says. “No one asked me or anyone in my row about a missing laptop, and there were no announcements.”

By the way, if you want more details, she’s written about the experience on her blog.

When she asked about the laptop, a flight attendant told her that it had been offloaded in Frankfurt before departure. The crew had thought that it was forgotten by a passenger on the previous flight.

The purser assured me that I just had to contact a Lufthansa agent once I got to Boston and my laptop would be sent to me.

I spoke to both her and the flight attendant as well as the couple. None of them had tried to see if the laptop belonged to someone. I got a written statement about what happened from the purser.

The next day she heard back from Lufthansa. A representative told her the airline could not mail it back to her or bring it on one of its aircraft.

I would have to arrange for someone in Frankfurt to pick it up and get it to me.

This is completely ridiculous. Not only have I lost my laptop due to Lufthansa’s mistake of not checking before they removed it, but I am supposed to bear all the cost and responsibility of getting it back.

Now folks, I’m not sure if this rises to the level of stealing but it is certainly problematic. At least the crew could have made an announcement, asking if anyone was missing a laptop. It isn’t immediately clear that Tappan would have responded, though – after all, she didn’t notice her computer was missing until four hours into the flight.

I asked Lufthansa to see if it could reunite the passenger with her PC. It responded directly to her, repeating that she could pick up the computer in Frankfurt. “Kindly understand that Lufthansa is not able to reimburse you the shipping cost of your laptop since our flight crew and ground staff followed proper protocol,” it added.

Ultimately, Tappan asked a friend to pick up to laptop and she paid $93 to get her electronic device.

That doesn’t sit well with her. “Lufthansa is responsible for the mistake! If my friends do pick it up, Lufthansa should definitely cover the shipping costs, but they should be going out of their way to take care of this,” she says.

I’m not sure if Lufthansa stole her computer, but it could have done a better job reuniting it. I can understand her anger, and I wish I could have helped mediate a better resolution.

Should Lufthansa have shipped the laptop back to the States at its expense?

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  • Sava

    Its just like a lost baggage & Lufthansa showed have sent it priority delivery

  • Sava

    Its just like a lost baggage & Lufthansa showed have sent it priority delivery

  • technomage1

    I agree that she should have had to pick it up at an airport. But why Frankfurt? Why not Boston?

  • technomage1

    I agree that she should have had to pick it up at an airport. But why Frankfurt? Why not Boston?

  • y_p_w

    That’s only where the airline has lost the bag and must take a certain level of responsibility. However, this was a case where the customer simply misplaced her own property.

  • y_p_w

    That’s only where the airline has lost the bag and must take a certain level of responsibility. However, this was a case where the customer simply misplaced her own property.

  • emanon256

    Then how do companies like Fed Ex deliver over 3 million packaged shipped internationally every day? According to there marketing material, she ship over 3 Million packages a day across boarders, and over 250 Million a day around the world (I assume without crossing boarders). Shipping is not as scary and complicated as every one is making it sound.

  • emanon256

    Then how do companies like Fed Ex deliver over 3 million packaged shipped internationally every day? According to there marketing material, she ship over 3 Million packages a day across boarders, and over 250 Million a day around the world (I assume without crossing boarders). Shipping is not as scary and complicated as every one is making it sound.

  • webhill

    I am a professional (VMD) and I use LiveJournal. I am not the only professional of my acquaintance on LJ either. FYI.

  • webhill

    I am a professional (VMD) and I use LiveJournal. I am not the only professional of my acquaintance on LJ either. FYI.

  • jmtabb

    Actually, I work in the logistics industry, and I’m quite familiar with how “scary and complicated” international shipping can be. A single container of the goods I ship internationally is accompanied by an average of 12 pages of paperwork – and it’s not an item with export controls like electronics can have. I manage an average of 100 containers per month, with shipments to and from North and South America, Asia, Europe and Africa.

    A huge number of packages that Fedex ships internationally are documents – even in this digital age there are all sorts of things that have to be done with originally signed papers.

    Internationally, even Fedex requires customs declarations (and additional required paperwork depending on the items shipped). The customs declarations are printed right on the airway bill – which is visibly pasted on the front of the package.

    How comfortable would you be sending out a package with the contents: “1 laptop computer” written on it for every truck driver, sorter, airline worker etc. to see? And when it gets stolen, how do you prove that it happened when the laptop was in the control of Fedex or Lufthansa?? That’s why Lufthansa won’t ship it home. There’s no way to prove where their responsibility ends. And I don’t blame them one bit for making this their policy.

  • jmtabb

    Actually, I work in the logistics industry, and I’m quite familiar with how “scary and complicated” international shipping can be. A single container of the goods I ship internationally is accompanied by an average of 12 pages of paperwork – and it’s not an item with export controls like electronics can have. I manage an average of 100 containers per month, with shipments to and from North and South America, Asia, Europe and Africa.

    A huge number of packages that Fedex ships internationally are documents – even in this digital age there are all sorts of things that have to be done with originally signed papers.

    Internationally, even Fedex requires customs declarations (and additional required paperwork depending on the items shipped). The customs declarations are printed right on the airway bill – which is visibly pasted on the front of the package.

    How comfortable would you be sending out a package with the contents: “1 laptop computer” written on it for every truck driver, sorter, airline worker etc. to see? And when it gets stolen, how do you prove that it happened when the laptop was in the control of Fedex or Lufthansa?? That’s why Lufthansa won’t ship it home. There’s no way to prove where their responsibility ends. And I don’t blame them one bit for making this their policy.

  • TonyA_says

    The difference is you are a nice guy. If Lufthansa read all that vile talk in her blog, why will they go above and beyond? Of course Lufthansa could do better but I think lost cabin baggage service is OUTSOURCED. Me thinks, if this was a Japanese carrier, it would be handled a lot, lot better.

  • TonyA_says

    The difference is you are a nice guy. If Lufthansa read all that vile talk in her blog, why will they go above and beyond? Of course Lufthansa could do better but I think lost cabin baggage service is OUTSOURCED. Me thinks, if this was a Japanese carrier, it would be handled a lot, lot better.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Majority statement, sweetness. The OP’s posts there about this incident (not just the one Chris linked) are…well…indicative of someone with either a serious entitlement complex or mental issues. Possibly both. If you’re here to defend that behavior…then I question your “VMD”.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Majority statement, sweetness. The OP’s posts there about this incident (not just the one Chris linked) are…well…indicative of someone with either a serious entitlement complex or mental issues. Possibly both. If you’re here to defend that behavior…then I question your “VMD”.

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    Personally, I think the airline doesn’t want to get involved further in that if they ship it / relay it on a flight, that means they are taking added responsibility for it. If it gets lost in transit, it’s on them. I wonder if she had said, “I’m happy to pay for shipping + insurance”, if they would’ve just popped it in a FedEx box and mailed it. That would’ve been the easy way.

  • http://flyicarusfly.com/ Fly, Icarus, Fly

    Personally, I think the airline doesn’t want to get involved further in that if they ship it / relay it on a flight, that means they are taking added responsibility for it. If it gets lost in transit, it’s on them. I wonder if she had said, “I’m happy to pay for shipping + insurance”, if they would’ve just popped it in a FedEx box and mailed it. That would’ve been the easy way.

  • GrantRitchie

    Lufthansa’s lost-and-found policy for personal items is impressively vague…

    “If you have left an item on board a Lufthansa aircraft or at the airport, please report this immediately to the local Lufthansa baggage tracing desk or a local Lufthansa representative. Based on your detailed description, we will try to locate this item as quickly as possible by means of an intensive search. Should we be successful, we will contact you to arrange the return of the item.”

    Now, I would assume that that meant LH would ship my item to me (or at least allow me to pay to have it shipped). The beauty of that wonderfully obtuse piece of writing is that contacting me and saying “Hey, we found your item and will hold it for pick-up half a world away,” COULD be read as fulfilling their part of the bargain. LH… I salute your legal department!

  • GrantRitchie

    Lufthansa’s lost-and-found policy for personal items is impressively vague…

    “If you have left an item on board a Lufthansa aircraft or at the airport, please report this immediately to the local Lufthansa baggage tracing desk or a local Lufthansa representative. Based on your detailed description, we will try to locate this item as quickly as possible by means of an intensive search. Should we be successful, we will contact you to arrange the return of the item.”

    Now, I would assume that that meant LH would ship my item to me (or at least allow me to pay to have it shipped). The beauty of that wonderfully obtuse piece of writing is that contacting me and saying “Hey, we found your item and will hold it for pick-up half a world away,” COULD be read as fulfilling their part of the bargain. LH… I salute your legal department!

  • Bill___A

    I’ve commented before on this situation. I don’t condone how the airline behaved. However, as an airline passenger, you have to pay attention to the world around you and also have some common sense. It is difficult to imagine the laptop “slipping” around unless it was improperly stowed. After all, it was offloaded before the plane even went anywhere.
    Although I would be frustrated beyond words at Lufthansa if they wanted me to fly to Frankfurt to pick up my laptop, the chances of me losing one in this manner are slim to none.
    When you travel, you need to keep your head about you, use common sense, and not do incredibly foolish things.
    That goes for the airlines as well as the passengers.

  • Bill___A

    I’ve commented before on this situation. I don’t condone how the airline behaved. However, as an airline passenger, you have to pay attention to the world around you and also have some common sense. It is difficult to imagine the laptop “slipping” around unless it was improperly stowed. After all, it was offloaded before the plane even went anywhere.
    Although I would be frustrated beyond words at Lufthansa if they wanted me to fly to Frankfurt to pick up my laptop, the chances of me losing one in this manner are slim to none.
    When you travel, you need to keep your head about you, use common sense, and not do incredibly foolish things.
    That goes for the airlines as well as the passengers.

  • Bill___A

    I have not defended them and in fact have never flown then since. If I ever do fly them again, I will ensure I have a 74 lb bag or two and a printout of Star Alliance benefits. Not sure what I will put in the suitcases to make them that heavy…but it will be something worthless.

  • Bill___A

    I have not defended them and in fact have never flown then since. If I ever do fly them again, I will ensure I have a 74 lb bag or two and a printout of Star Alliance benefits. Not sure what I will put in the suitcases to make them that heavy…but it will be something worthless.

  • crash025

    I understand. LH has a huge fanboy population. My situation happened nearly 2 years ago now. I consider taking the train if I can’t get a connection to the city I need to go to over a connection with LH.

  • crash025

    I understand. LH has a huge fanboy population. My situation happened nearly 2 years ago now. I consider taking the train if I can’t get a connection to the city I need to go to over a connection with LH.

  • crash025

    Given my experience, that wouldn’t satisfy them unless they had a policy that grants FedEx to ship it with those criterias. I don’t think they’d steal it, they’d just let it sit in lost in found in FRA until the person came to claim it. Honestly I’m surprised they allowed someone other than the original owner get it and claim it.

  • crash025

    Given my experience, that wouldn’t satisfy them unless they had a policy that grants FedEx to ship it with those criterias. I don’t think they’d steal it, they’d just let it sit in lost in found in FRA until the person came to claim it. Honestly I’m surprised they allowed someone other than the original owner get it and claim it.

  • pauletteb

    When the OP finally noticed that her laptop was missing and was told by the people in front of her that it had been given to an FA, why didn’t she make the effort to tell an FA that the laptop was hers? Had she done that, the laptop would never have been offloaded. The OP’s failure to act in a timely manner isn’t the airline’s fault.

  • pauletteb

    When the OP finally noticed that her laptop was missing and was told by the people in front of her that it had been given to an FA, why didn’t she make the effort to tell an FA that the laptop was hers? Had she done that, the laptop would never have been offloaded. The OP’s failure to act in a timely manner isn’t the airline’s fault.

  • pauletteb

    The “HULK SMASH CUSTOMER SERVICE” tells me everything I need to know about the OP . . . and none of it’s good.

  • pauletteb

    The “HULK SMASH CUSTOMER SERVICE” tells me everything I need to know about the OP . . . and none of it’s good.

  • pauletteb

    Kara, you made my day. Too funny!

  • pauletteb

    Kara, you made my day. Too funny!