When Holland America says “no problem” maybe there’s a problem

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Elmer Purkey suspected there might be trouble with his birth certificate on his planned seven-day Eastern Caribbean cruise on Holland America’s Eurodam. He’d been born at a U.S. Army hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, to an American father and a German mother, which made him a natural born U.S. citizen.

But what would the cruise ship employees say when he showed them his birth certificate? So Purkey tried to find out. He contacted Holland America. He got its response in writing.

It didn’t matter. The cruise line denied him boarding anyway, saying it wasn’t enough to board.

“I was left abandoned on the dock like discarded garbage as the ship sailed away,” he says. “It was a very disappointing and traumatic experience.”

Holland America’s paperwork requirements are crystal clear on its site. It states:

It is your sole responsibility to obtain and have available the proper travel documents that are necessary for your travel, including all costs related to arrangements to obtain entry to countries you visit and re-entry to your destination country. Boarding may be denied or fines may be levied against those guests without proper documentation.

Can I travel?

That’s exactly what Purkey says he tried to do.

“I was obviously concerned about the potentiality for confusion with my documentation,” he says. “That is why I contacted Holland America directly a month prior to our departure. After explaining in detail to them the exact nature of my documentation, and being reassured by a HAL representative, and her supervisor, that there would be no problem with going on this cruise with this birth certificate, any hesitation was relieved.”

He sent me the chat transcript.

Here’s an excerpt:

Purkey: I have the original birth certificate. Will this be OK?

HAL: YES, that is totally fine.

After Purkey was turned away when he tried to board — an event he describes as “humiliating” — he asked the cruise line to help him with a do-over.

No way, it replied. If he wanted to pay for another cruise, Holland America would offer him an upgrade. But it said that having the right birth certificate was his responsibility, and it’s sorry for the inconvenience.

“It only added insult to injury,” he says.

Holland America speaks

The cruise line’s rebuttal is interesting, and it suggests that we’re missing the full story. Here are the relevant parts of its response:

We empathize with everyone who faces denial of entry onto our ships and share in their disappointment. However, information regarding visas, passports, and immunization requirements is the responsibility of each and every passenger. Guests and their agents must familiarize themselves with current requirements in advance of boarding any cruise entering foreign ports of call.

Upon our review with both ship and port officials, it was discovered that Mr. Purkey had already been in dialogue with us and advised that his documentation was not sufficient.

He was directly told he would need to get a passport (Polar booking notation made on December 3, 2012). Further review was made with port officials regarding their dialogue with this guest. They responded that the guest was instructed to contact our Guest Relations office for review and possible compensation allowance under their unfortunate circumstance of being denied boarding.

The letter goes on to suggest that Purkey should have purchased Holland America’s cancellation protection plan, which is kind of funny, since I doubt it would have covered him in this situation.

Interesting that a travel company is now at a disadvantage because it failed to get a paper trail. At any rate, if what Holland America claims is true, then it suggests Purkey simply took the transcript and decided that if he were denied boarding, he’d use it as leverage to get a make-over cruise.

I find that difficult to believe. As a side note, you can follow a fascinating parallel conversation about this issue on Cruise Critic. I wonder how many commenters will tell him to get a passport before the thread dies?

I want to help Purkey, but I don’t know how. I’ve seen the “final” rejection letter from Holland America, and it looks pretty final. I wonder if any of the lawyers who frequent this site have any ideas about next steps?

Does he have a leg to stand on? Is there something he could say — or I could say — to fix this? Or is this case a lost cause?

Should I mediate Elmer Purkey's case?

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  • Elmer Purkey

    Would you mind emailing Chris Elliott the specific details of you brother’s SUCCESSFUL boarding? Thank you.

  • Elmer Purkey

    Would you mind emailing Chris Elliott the specific details of you brother’s SUCCESSFUL boarding? Thank you.

  • Jenn

    I feel for the guy. Yes, he should get a passport, but he was apparently told the birth certificate would be acceptable, so I think they should live up to that mistake.

    I, too, was born outside the country, but am a US citizen since birth because my parents were both US citizens. Back when I was born (and I suspect possibly when the guy was born) they didn’t do consular reports of birth or all the paperwork to establish citizenship at birth. I had my foreign birth certificate that stated my parents’ nationalities and supposedly that was fine for showing my citizenship.

    However, I when I was around middle school age I started having some trouble using the birth certificate when traveling to Mexico – never anything too bad, but you could tell that the border people weren’t used to this documentation and didn’t like it because it wasn’t “standard.”

    When I was 30 I planned a cruise in French Polynesia and needed a passport for that. You’d think it’d be easy, since my birth certificate clearly stated my parents were Americans. But I had to submit my birth certificates, and both my parents’ original birth certificates, plus a whole lot of other documentation. Then my application was very delayed and I had to get my senator involved in pushing it through, as well as paying an additional $100 on top of the regular passport fee because I’d never been “documented” although I had lived in the US for 27 years, paid taxes, worked, gotten a drivers’ license, etc, all as a US Citizen.

    I guess my points are that it’s not necessarily a simple thing to get a passport (extra time, extra cost, have to get a lot of original documentation that you might not have) if you have this situation. I’m glad I did it, but I might not have if I’d been told that my birth certificate was acceptable.

  • Jenn

    I feel for the guy. Yes, he should get a passport, but he was apparently told the birth certificate would be acceptable, so I think they should live up to that mistake.

    I, too, was born outside the country, but am a US citizen since birth because my parents were both US citizens. Back when I was born (and I suspect possibly when the guy was born) they didn’t do consular reports of birth or all the paperwork to establish citizenship at birth. I had my foreign birth certificate that stated my parents’ nationalities and supposedly that was fine for showing my citizenship.

    However, I when I was around middle school age I started having some trouble using the birth certificate when traveling to Mexico – never anything too bad, but you could tell that the border people weren’t used to this documentation and didn’t like it because it wasn’t “standard.”

    When I was 30 I planned a cruise in French Polynesia and needed a passport for that. You’d think it’d be easy, since my birth certificate clearly stated my parents were Americans. But I had to submit my birth certificates, and both my parents’ original birth certificates, plus a whole lot of other documentation. Then my application was very delayed and I had to get my senator involved in pushing it through, as well as paying an additional $100 on top of the regular passport fee because I’d never been “documented” although I had lived in the US for 27 years, paid taxes, worked, gotten a drivers’ license, etc, all as a US Citizen.

    I guess my points are that it’s not necessarily a simple thing to get a passport (extra time, extra cost, have to get a lot of original documentation that you might not have) if you have this situation. I’m glad I did it, but I might not have if I’d been told that my birth certificate was acceptable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/faoi.run Faoi Run

    I agree with you bodega3. Also consider what might happen if someone doesn’t make it back to the cruise ship and must fly either to the next port or back to the US. From a foreign country, if you don’t have your passport this will be quite difficult. I advise all my clients to have & carry their passports on shore for this reason alone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/faoi.run Faoi Run

    I agree with you bodega3. Also consider what might happen if someone doesn’t make it back to the cruise ship and must fly either to the next port or back to the US. From a foreign country, if you don’t have your passport this will be quite difficult. I advise all my clients to have & carry their passports on shore for this reason alone.

  • TFB

    I have no Idea why you are even asking if you should try to fix this. HAL took his money, HAL’s REPRESENTATIVES gave him misinformation, and then denied him boarding. Now HAL refuses to refund his money. To me this is nothing short of stealing. What is the problem here? What am I missing? Holland America has no paper trail of what they told him, yet Elmer does. HAL should make him whole.

  • TFB

    I have no Idea why you are even asking if you should try to fix this. HAL took his money, HAL’s REPRESENTATIVES gave him misinformation, and then denied him boarding. Now HAL refuses to refund his money. To me this is nothing short of stealing. What is the problem here? What am I missing? Holland America has no paper trail of what they told him, yet Elmer does. HAL should make him whole.

  • http://twitter.com/johntbaker John Baker

    Ummm you mean like one of their excuses to not going to Mexico being that they had 900 people who they were going to have issues repatriotating?

  • john4868

    Ummm you mean like one of their excuses to not going to Mexico being that they had 900 people who they were going to have issues repatriotating?

  • Tracy

    I don’t think there is enough information in the story to really make a determination. I was born overseas and I have two birth certificates. One from the country I was born in and one from the US State Dept – which birth certificate was he trying to use? If his parents failed to register his birth with the State Dept/Consulates office at the local Embassy when he was born then I believe he would not legally have citizenship even if one of his parents is a citizen (which was the case with me, only my Father was a US citizen).

  • Tracy

    I don’t think there is enough information in the story to really make a determination. I was born overseas and I have two birth certificates. One from the country I was born in and one from the US State Dept – which birth certificate was he trying to use? If his parents failed to register his birth with the State Dept/Consulates office at the local Embassy when he was born then I believe he would not legally have citizenship even if one of his parents is a citizen (which was the case with me, only my Father was a US citizen).

  • GK

    I have been researching Europe cruises and was ready to book with Holland America tomorrow to the tune of over $5k. I was googling the company to see what kind of reviews were out there and found this. I think I’ll go with another company. Bottom line is Holland America does not stand behind the mistakes their employees make. Seriously, the loss of the money this man is experiencing is something he will regret for the rest of his life. Yet it’s a drop in the bucket for a large company. Shame on them.

  • GK

    I have been researching Europe cruises and was ready to book with Holland America tomorrow to the tune of over $5k. I was googling the company to see what kind of reviews were out there and found this. I think I’ll go with another company. Bottom line is Holland America does not stand behind the mistakes their employees make. Seriously, the loss of the money this man is experiencing is something he will regret for the rest of his life. Yet it’s a drop in the bucket for a large company. Shame on them.

  • PsyGuy

    What bothers me is why someone would take the legal advice of a customer service rep involving immigration, and international travel, that was likey staffed in a call center in another country by local agents who just read from te same database the traveler has access too. We have agencies and actual authorities such as the department of state to answer these questions, and when in doubt, they would have advised he get a passport.
    I would really like to see a law that makes a passport mandatory.

  • PsyGuy

    What bothers me is why someone would take the legal advice of a customer service rep involving immigration, and international travel, that was likey staffed in a call center in another country by local agents who just read from te same database the traveler has access too. We have agencies and actual authorities such as the department of state to answer these questions, and when in doubt, they would have advised he get a passport.
    I would really like to see a law that makes a passport mandatory.

  • TFB

    HAL’s call center is based in Seattle and is not outsourced.

  • TFB

    HAL’s call center is based in Seattle and is not outsourced.

  • Steve Cousino

    I really wish people would stop considering the Passport Card. It was INTENDED for those living along the Canadian & Mexican borders to have a better alternative for frequent border crossings (like for work), not for general travel outside the U.S. It’s why it’s valid for border crossings -except- for airline border crossings.

    Anyone who takes a cruise without a Passport, which allows re-entry by ANY means, is just asking for a problem to occur and not being able to fly home, which can’t be done with just a birth certificate or a Passport Card (unless, of course, you happen to be starting in an US Territory like Puerto Rico or the US Virgin Islands).

    And, to put this out there, if anyone hasn’t already, travel insurance provides NO coverage for lack of proper documentation.

    Steve Cousino, ACC, CTA
    http://www.JourneysBySteve.com | http://www.ExclusiveEventsAtSea.com

  • Steve Cousino

    The heck are you talking about, “too bulky”? Mine fits just fine in my front jeans pocket, or or in my under-garment holder.

    Steve Cousino, ACC, CTA
    http://www.JourneysBySteve.com | http://www.ExclusiveEventsAtSea.com

  • y_p_w

    I’ve actually tried putting a passport in my front jeans pocket and it promptly started to bend the moment I sat down, especially since that’s where I keep my wallet. If I carry one on my person, it’s going into something that hangs from my neck.

  • y_p_w

    It’s been an ideal document for any number of purposes. I recently mine as ID on a domestic flight. Sometimes I just don’t want security to know my address given the stories of what some have done when presented with an opportunity to steal something. We also have one for our child, which had come in handy when traveling as a lap infant. The main alternative would have been a birth certificate.

  • Meeksworth

    This is simple. A. The cruise line should require passports for boarding. There is not reason not do this, and the cost is minimal compared to the cruise itself; also, it make the whole process easier for the cruise line because there would never be any confusion about the required paperwork.
    B. If you want to travel, get a passport. Averaged over ten years, a passport is less than $20 a year. There’s no excuse not to have one if you plan on leaving the U.S. at any time.

  • Meeksworth

    In my opinion the main party responsible is the cruise line. Even if they don’t want to discourage cruisers by requiring everyone to have a passport, they could give better advice about the paperwork. For example, I recently booked a Carnival cruise and nowhere in the entire process did it advise that I may need a passport or visa EXCEPT buried in the terms and conditions that required clicking and opening a new window to find.

    Cruise lines could save themselves and their customers a lot of trouble by making a highly visible disclaimer such as “Boarding is fastest and easiest with a passport. Lack of the proper documents will result in DENIAL OF BOARDING. If you are uncertain about your documents please obtain a passport to prevent denial of boarding. Non U.S. citizen likely require a visa to visit many non U.S. ports and obtaining these documents are the sole responsibility of the passenger, if you do not have the proper visas, you will not be allowed to board the ship. ”

    The bottom line is really this: the cruise line intentionally hides its boarding documents policy and gives really bad advice to it’s passengers. The cruise line stated that the passenger would be fine with his birth certificate in writing and they should have to stand by that advice by giving a refund or a do over cruise to the customer who did his due diligence. The cruise line should train their employees and change their websites to more clearly state that only certain kinds of documents will be accepted and that if you don’t posses those or are unsure, you should obtain a passport.

  • Michael__K

    There is not reason not do this

    Actually, there is a very obvious reason why cruise companies lobbied Congress to preserve some of the loopholes that allow passengers to cruise without a Passport: if you are a cruise company, and most of your historical passengers and a huge segment of your target market (including last minute deal seekers) don’t have Passports — only 39% of Americans have Passports — then requiring Passports for boarding will deter some passengers and result in fewer bookings and lower profits.

    [And for the OP in this case -- assuming he needed a Consular Report of Birth Abroad and expedited processing -- the cost of a Passport would have been over $350 (over $35 a year averaged over ten years)].