Is this British Airways flight bad enough for you?

britishArthur West’s 50th anniversary trip to Venice was “extremely enjoyable” — except for one little issue: the British Airways flights. All of them.

He’s so unhappy with the way he and his wife, Eileen, were treated that he’s written the airline several times with a long list of grievances. And he’s unimpressed with their response.

I’m writing about West’s case because I’m not sure if I should ask British Airways to review it. Some of the problems are minor and others are outside the control of the airline. Add it all up and they make for a very unpleasant trip, no question about it. But I’ll let you decide.

It started with — you probably guessed it — his seat assignments.

“We were never able to obtain a confirmation,” says West. “This culminated in an extremely frustrating phone conversation with a service representative. He could not confirm seat selections for us and I could not understand most of what he said. When I asked to speak with a supervisor for more positive communication he became downright hostile and argumentative. I finally did speak with a supervisor who at first was almost as argumentative.”

Bottom line: If he wanted a seat assignment 24 hours before departure, it would cost him $199 per ticket. Never mind the fact that he was flying in business class.

The transatlantic flight was fine, but not the connecting flight to Rome.

“We were shocked that we did not truly have business class,” he says.

He adds,

The seats were no better than economy. There was no space between rows of seats.

The passenger in the seat ahead of my wife reclined his seat so my wife had his seat on her lap the entire trip. I had no leg room so my knees were almost up in my chest. Plus, the contour of the seat was so bad that the head rest dug into my shoulder and did not allow me to lay my head back the entire flight.

A notice in the literature in the seat pocket indicated that all passengers received complimentary wine.

We paid for business class seats but did not receive true business class accommodations.

The return flight was worse. Much worse.

When West tried to phone British Airways to confirm his reservations, he was connected to a woman who was “very nasty and irritable and would do nothing for us,” he says.

He adds,

All we were trying to do — which is what we had been trying to do since the outset — was confirm business class seats and get two seats together. She could not even do that.

I repeatedly told her the website was not working. She ignored that and told me to access the website. She also told me that she could not access the website.

So what sense did that make?

The pièce de résistance was the return flight. I’ll spare you all the details, but let’s just say the couple’s flight was delayed because of fog, they missed their connection, were sent to a second-rate hotel, and West ended up biting into a piece of glass when he was eating a salad. Mostly, circumstances British Airways had no control over, but still — it all added up.

“We will never fly through London Heathrow Airport again,” he promises. “Unless some offset to make up for our gross inconveniences and lack of paid-for and anticipated services is forthcoming from British Airways, it is doubtful that we will fly British Airways again.”

The airline wasn’t unsympathetic to his problems. It promised to send him and his wife 25,000 miles for the inconvenience. Just one problem: It failed to credit his wife’s account because it couldn’t find it (never mind that he’d included her account number in all of his correspondence.)

After another complaint, British Airways again responded, saying it had found her account and credited her with the miles.

“The issues you have raised have been fully addressed, we now consider the matter closed and we will not respond to any further requests for compensation regarding these issues,” an airline representative added. “If you have any separate issues you would like us to look into for you, please do not hesitate to contact us.”

In other words, we’re done.

But West isn’t done.

“Based on the lack of service, the inconvenience, rudeness and punitive behavior by British Airways, I think we should ideally receive either two business class tickets to Europe or reimbursement for the entire amount of our original flight — or, at the very minimum, two upgrades from economy to business class,” he says.

It’s highly unusual to get a full refund for a flight, but I also think West’s flight experience was less than ideal. Should I get involved?

Should I mediate Arthur West's case?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/john.doremi.982 John Doremi

    that would have been for SAFETY reasons! So if you had been thrown against the back of the toilet during landing and broken your nose or worse you wouldn’t have been on the phone with your lawyer then? Of course not….

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.doremi.982 John Doremi

    that would have been for SAFETY reasons! So if you had been thrown against the back of the toilet during landing and broken your nose or worse you wouldn’t have been on the phone with your lawyer then? Of course not….

  • pplaresilly

    Haha!!! ^5

  • pplaresilly

    Haha!!! ^5

  • STEVE KOENIGSBERG

    I’d pay EXTRA to sit next to a dead guy on some of my flights! :-) Lucky the airline didn’t consider it an “enhancement” and upcharge!

  • STEVE KOENIGSBERG

    I’d pay EXTRA to sit next to a dead guy on some of my flights! :-) Lucky the airline didn’t consider it an “enhancement” and upcharge!

  • jim6555

    I’ve done the same thing to get an “A” group boarding position 24 hours prior to a Southwest Airlines flight. However, Southwest does not extract a huge premium for business class or make any pretense about paying more to get more seat room or better inflight services.

  • jim6555

    I’ve done the same thing to get an “A” group boarding position 24 hours prior to a Southwest Airlines flight. However, Southwest does not extract a huge premium for business class or make any pretense about paying more to get more seat room or better inflight services.

  • naoma

    I liked that comment — never heard it before.

  • naoma

    I liked that comment — never heard it before.

  • naoma

    Could have had screaming kids sitting next to them and a smelly dog. BUt, I digress.

  • naoma

    Could have had screaming kids sitting next to them and a smelly dog. BUt, I digress.

  • Fred Kite

    Good for you John. As a regular and happy BA customer (from the UK, no accent issues) this is just silly. A small amount of research would make it clear that seats can be grabbed 24 hours prior to check in for nothing (although $199 sounds a lot). And the seats are the seats. And heck, a weather delay and somewhere to sleep. Glass? Whose glass?

    It’s not what I expected, so it’s your fault? Crazy crazy.

    A couple of recommendations for anyone ringing a call centre (sic, I’m in the UK :-) ) Firstly, do all possible to respect the agent. They are human like you, and they just have a job to do. It’s the process that’s the problem. Secondly, calmly ask for the supervisor if you need to. Repeatedly. Make it clear it’s not the agent you want to complain about (because that’ll always drive them defensive). Thank the agent for their help but ask for a supervisor to give feedback. I have yet to not get one. A worker who refuses to put you through to a supervisor is going to be in real trouble if you’re entitled to ask.

    Given the nature of the problem, I’m not surprised BA closed the door. None of this. NONE of it was a failure in their standards. And theirs are pretty good.

  • Fred Kite

    Good for you John. As a regular and happy BA customer (from the UK, no accent issues) this is just silly. A small amount of research would make it clear that seats can be grabbed 24 hours prior to check in for nothing (although $199 sounds a lot). And the seats are the seats. And heck, a weather delay and somewhere to sleep. Glass? Whose glass?

    It’s not what I expected, so it’s your fault? Crazy crazy.

    A couple of recommendations for anyone ringing a call centre (sic, I’m in the UK :-) ) Firstly, do all possible to respect the agent. They are human like you, and they just have a job to do. It’s the process that’s the problem. Secondly, calmly ask for the supervisor if you need to. Repeatedly. Make it clear it’s not the agent you want to complain about (because that’ll always drive them defensive). Thank the agent for their help but ask for a supervisor to give feedback. I have yet to not get one. A worker who refuses to put you through to a supervisor is going to be in real trouble if you’re entitled to ask.

    Given the nature of the problem, I’m not surprised BA closed the door. None of this. NONE of it was a failure in their standards. And theirs are pretty good.

  • http://twitter.com/thomasjralph Thomas Ralph

    A full-fare ticket *does* come with free seat assignments on BA.

  • http://twitter.com/thomasjralph Thomas Ralph

    A full-fare ticket *does* come with free seat assignments on BA.

  • J422j3

    I have two free transatlantic flights with BA miles and the cost for them ends up being more expensive than the regular tickets! BA miles are pretty much useless.

  • J422j3

    I have two free transatlantic flights with BA miles and the cost for them ends up being more expensive than the regular tickets! BA miles are pretty much useless.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    Chris, it is a known fact that British Airways charges for seat allocation, regardless of class of flight. The horrors of London Heathrow as an airport are equally well known.

    My parents flew British Airways First Class, and we too experienced a very “ho hum” attitude from the airline. Having misplaced their baggage the airline took a we couldn’t be bothered attitude. Little wonder most of their flights to India now lack a First Class, while the MEB3 (Middle East Big 3 of Emirates, Qatar and Etihad) are cleaning their clock.

    If the West’s were paying for business class, they probably would be much better off with Lufthansa or even a US carrier. If they wanted to fly oneworld, then Finnair would be infinitely better than British Airways. Superior aircraft, and a hugely superior attitude.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    Chris, it is a known fact that British Airways charges for seat allocation, regardless of class of flight. The horrors of London Heathrow as an airport are equally well known.

    My parents flew British Airways First Class, and we too experienced a very “ho hum” attitude from the airline. Having misplaced their baggage the airline took a we couldn’t be bothered attitude. Little wonder most of their flights to India now lack a First Class, while the MEB3 (Middle East Big 3 of Emirates, Qatar and Etihad) are cleaning their clock.

    If the West’s were paying for business class, they probably would be much better off with Lufthansa or even a US carrier. If they wanted to fly oneworld, then Finnair would be infinitely better than British Airways. Superior aircraft, and a hugely superior attitude.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    May be in economy class, Brian. Around the world airlines are outdoing themselves to pamper premium passengers. In the era of alliances and mileage accumulation on global carriers, even US carriers have started getting their act together, to stem the flight of passengers to world leaders in premium class service like Singapore, Emirates, Qatar, SWISS, Lufthansa, Virgin, and others. Japan Airlines is even offering the highest grades of Wagyu beef to its First Class passengers.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    May be in economy class, Brian. Around the world airlines are outdoing themselves to pamper premium passengers. In the era of alliances and mileage accumulation on global carriers, even US carriers have started getting their act together, to stem the flight of passengers to world leaders in premium class service like Singapore, Emirates, Qatar, SWISS, Lufthansa, Virgin, and others. Japan Airlines is even offering the highest grades of Wagyu beef to its First Class passengers.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    Which no other airline, I know of, charges for, at least in Business Class.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    There are in British Airways.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    Which no other airline, I know of, charges for, at least in Business Class.

  • http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/ Devesh Agarwal

    There are in British Airways.

  • Mel65

    Friends all have porsches?

  • Mel65

    Friends all have porsches?

  • Vishal Gandhi

    I disagree. I have flown many carriers and I find this to be an odd BA policy. My wife and I flew BA on a transatlantic flight a week after our wedding. We weren’t able to pick our seats during booking or even during online check in. I called BA and found out that seats are assigned at the counter. Despite getting there early enough, our seats weren’t together. We had to politely insist and be persuasive on sitting together. Keyword, polite. They usually work with you if you work with them. I guess we got lucky, because they were depending on other passengers who were willing to change their seats in order for my wife and I to sit next to each other. However, the same thing happened on our return flight. It was actually very annoying. This topic came up in social conversations and we found out we weren’t the only ones who had this issue. Rather odd policy, and the fact is that people who want to sit next to each other will opt for another airline. I have no other complaints against BA, but at the same time, I have nothing special to say about them either.

  • Vishal Gandhi

    I disagree. I have flown many carriers and I find this to be an odd BA policy. My wife and I flew BA on a transatlantic flight a week after our wedding. We weren’t able to pick our seats during booking or even during online check in. I called BA and found out that seats are assigned at the counter. Despite getting there early enough, our seats weren’t together. We had to politely insist and be persuasive on sitting together. Keyword, polite. They usually work with you if you work with them. I guess we got lucky, because they were depending on other passengers who were willing to change their seats in order for my wife and I to sit next to each other. However, the same thing happened on our return flight. It was actually very annoying. This topic came up in social conversations and we found out we weren’t the only ones who had this issue. Rather odd policy, and the fact is that people who want to sit next to each other will opt for another airline. I have no other complaints against BA, but at the same time, I have nothing special to say about them either.

  • Vishal Gandhi

    small fee? That’s relative. In my opinion the fee is not small, and more importantly it is assessed when most other carriers don’t assess it. In that light, it becomes even more of a problem. However, in my personal experience of flying BA and other carries over the years, I feel their customer service is sub-par. Most passengers who are used to flying regularly except minor problems during their flying experience, but, the grievances usually lead into actions when compounded with poor customer service. Just my 2 cents.

  • Vishal Gandhi

    small fee? That’s relative. In my opinion the fee is not small, and more importantly it is assessed when most other carriers don’t assess it. In that light, it becomes even more of a problem. However, in my personal experience of flying BA and other carries over the years, I feel their customer service is sub-par. Most passengers who are used to flying regularly except minor problems during their flying experience, but, the grievances usually lead into actions when compounded with poor customer service. Just my 2 cents.

  • Vishal Gandhi

    *expect, not except. * carriers, not carries. pardon the typos.

  • Vishal Gandhi

    *expect, not except. * carriers, not carries. pardon the typos.

  • cahdot

    i hate that even when u pay for business class they still will not giver u a seat since we are foreigners

  • cahdot

    i hate that even when u pay for business class they still will not giver u a seat since we are foreigners