XL passengers invade my economy class seat — and airlines let them

When Elisabeth Haas took her window seat on an American Airlines flight from Orlando to Dallas earlier this year, she discovered a problem – a very big problem.

“A morbidly obese seatmate encroached into my personal space,” she says. “He required a seat-belt extender and that the armrest divider be raised to accommodate his girth during the entire flight, including takeoff and landing. He also had to walk down the aisle oriented sideways and moved quite slowly.” (She sent me a photo of the offense, which I’ve published above.)

The problem of XL passengers on planes is hardly new, but their interactions with other passengers are creating a lot more friction lately. I know because over the American Thanksgiving holiday week, I reported about a man who says he had to stand on a flight between Anchorage and Philadelphia, and it became the talk of the town for about half a news cycle.

I heard from lots of passengers who said they, too, have tussled with oversized seatmates.

Haas, who was returning from a trip to see her dying grandmother in Florida, says she couldn’t comfortably fit in her seat or stow her luggage under her seat because of the encroachment. She only had access to about one-third of her economy class seat for the duration of the flight.

“Do you understand the horrific discomfort of feeling someone’s massive, unrelenting, hot and sweaty flesh pressed into your body from shoulder to ankle?” she asks.

The American Airlines flight attendants were compassionate, and because it was a sold-out flight, they allowed her to sit in their jump seats. But when she wrote a polite letter suggesting that American Airlines change its rules to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, the best it could manage was to reply with a form letter.

Here’s an excerpt:

We are sorry for your discomfort on your recent flight with us to Dallas/Fort Worth.

Our seats are standard in size and are designed to comfortably accommodate our customers. Of course, our customers do come in all shapes and sizes.

If we are aware that customers are too large to sit in a coach seat, we do what we can to avoid an awkward and uncomfortable situation — for everyone concerned.

Our airport personnel must walk a fine line in order to satisfy the needs and rights of all of our customers. I am disappointed to hear that we were not more successful on this occasion, and I am genuinely sorry that the enjoyment of your flight was diminished as a result.

I have forwarded your comments to the appropriate personnel.

Ms. Haas, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. Please give us another opportunity to welcome you aboard and the chance to provide you with a more enjoyable flight.

American Airlines didn’t address any of her safety concerns, nor did it pledge to change its rules.

Airline policies on XL passengers are at best, amorphous. Only Southwest Airlines has a clearly defined and well-publicized policy – it calls them “customers of size” — but the other major airlines tend to dance around the issue. It’s hard to find their policies online and they seem to be unevenly enforced.

When airlines do talk about their weighted customers, they do so in a tone that is usually reserved genocide victims, as if at any moment, these big passengers could shatter into a thousand pieces because someone called them fat. (Come to think of it, isn’t that how society deals with the problem of obesity?)

But the focus is one the wrong person. It isn’t the morbidly obese who are in need of special protection, but the folks seated next to them. Wedged next to them, actually. When the armrest is up, it can mean serious trouble for the other guy.

Norman Chance was the other guy on a recent flight between Anchorage and Chicago. Like Haas, he had a window seat in economy class, but found himself next to two “very large” people in the seats next to him.

“I had to sit sideways for the entire flight, in agony and pain,” says Chance, who owns an aviation company in Indianapolis. “They both fell asleep and would not move despite my requests. I ended up injuring my back, which was only resolved after visits to a chiropractor.”

He’s angry that airlines can allow two XL passengers to fly in economy class seats that are obviously too small, and he and Haas are upset that there isn’t a law to prevent it from repeating itself.

“This type of incident happens far too often,” he says.

And that’s the thing. There are no rules about passengers having to fit into the economy class seats. The closest the Federal Aviation Administration comes to addressing this issue is when it issues its guidance on passengers with disabilities, but it doesn’t specifically classify a passenger’s weight or size as a disability that is in need of protection. If it did, airlines would probably have to give every tall guy like me a first class seat, which, now that I think about it, wouldn’t be so bad.

But I think we’d all settle for a rule that says passengers are entitled to a minimum amount of legroom and personal space, whether they’re on American Airlines or any other airline. The Transportation Department already has those requirements in place for animals that fly, but curiously, not for humans seated in economy class.

Such a rule would prevent a bulk of these XL passenger incidents from happening, and make flying a far more humane experience — for all of us.

  • Tony A.

    Thank you, hero.

  • Linda

    Many of the suggestions include the need for a seat belt extender as the criteria for needing to buy an extra seat. I am overweight, but do fit into an economy seat. However, all seat belts are NOT created equal. I have had seat belts on the same type of plane and same airline that were fine. Some barely fit. And on a couple of occasions I had to ask for an extender. No difference in my weight. Why is that? You would think that all seat belts would be the same length, but they’re not.

  • Tony A.

    That is exactly the reason why the DOT should come out with a clear cut RULE. This will provide the airlines with sufficient “cover” to make life better for everyone. The way it is right now is totally unacceptable. Lots of peoples rights (17″ tiny ones) are being trampled on.

  • http://twitter.com/dmuth Douglas Muth (Giza)

    FWIW, I’d be more than happy to switch seats on an airplane so that an obese passenger could have two seats next to each other.  If they’re willing to buy two seats so they don’t get into someone else’s personal space, I’m willing to meet them halfway.

  • zonks

    Daniepwils my mother is overweight.  She was a big kid and has always been big.  She eats healthy, exercises constantly and she’s still big.  The only time she’s been at a weight considered “thin” (160lbs was her lowest as an adult) was when she was on such a restricted diet that a serving of bread was 1/2 a slice of diet bread.  She was “thin” but her hair was falling out. 

    She goes to the gym, goes for a walk, rides her bike, or kayaks daily and yet most would still consider her overweight.  Does she have a thyroid issue?  no.  Does she need a seatbelt extender or does she encroach on other’s seats?  No.  But she’s still far from “thin”. 

    Now people who refuse to do anything, that is a choice, but not everyone makes that choice.  Some people DO eat right and workout but being thin just isn’t how their body is meant to be. 

  • Weebee1

    TAKE THE FOOD AWAY!

  • Tony A.

    mike, could you demand a BOARDING PASS for the extra seat? I am not sure the second “passenger” (the other half of your body) will actually check in. If so,  then the ticket (coupon) will be lifted and a boarding pass printed as if 2 people actually boarded. I’ve never worked as a check-in /gate agent so I don’t know how this works in reality. Maybe flutiefan could set me straight. 

  • Progams08

    magoo: my grandson is too large. SW Airlines charged him for 2 seats-then, because the flight wasn’t sold out refunded the additional fare.
    I believe this a common sense remedy-what’s happened to c”common sense”?

  • ketz

    I agree with Southwest. If you are too large for a seat, buy two. Nobody should have to raise the armrest to allow a larger person to flop over into their seat. You paid for a seat “between the armrests”, not one half a seat. 

  • AirlineEmployee

    People need to stop being so PASSIVE……If someone was disgustingly filling over into my space I would make the biggest pain-in-the-Azz- of myself…..just keep getting up and down, standing in the aisle, hovering over the guy, even making comments how I have no room to sit comfortably, etc.   Why are these disgusting HOGS allowed to be comfortable and I am not ??

  • Tony A.

    Most Boeing 777s have 17.5 to 18″ seat widths. I’ve taken the Air France 380 from CDG to JFK and I believe that has an 19″ width. Next ticket I buy to Asia, will probably be on Korean Air’s A380 with 18″ seats. So pick your airlines by their seats (check seatguru website first). And as far as obnoxious passengers are concerned, the US does not have a monopoly. That trait is truly global. Earplugs work pretty well…

  • AirlineEmployee

    Continuing…….Make this HOG get up and down many, many times while I keep needing to get up – torture HIM and keep saying how  uncomfortable I AM.   Maybe he/she will think twice about flying in one seat instead of two.   Sorry, some people just need to be shamed or embarrassed – why do we have to ”accept” people being rude, intrusive and obnoxious to us – all in the name of being politically correct ?????  

  • Lindabator

    They should have a standard seat at the gate, and if the flight is full(which today, most are!), if you cannot fit into that space, you would be required to purchase two seats.

  • Lindabator

    If you don’t fit into the 1 seat you purchased, and are spilling over into the 2nd seat, then you need to pay for that seat.  Plain and simple.  Why some people think they are ENTITLED to more is beyond me – this guy CLEARLY encroached on her space, and it could not have been a surprise he was too big – he did need a belt extender, after all!

  • Lindabator

    But that doesn’t fly (pardon the pun), because they CAN refuse to seat an obese person in the exit row, as they can be considered a safety risk.  Same safety risk if they cram soemone else into the corner!

  • Lindabator

    But, obviously, to you, the practical solution is to allow the FATTIES to fly in two seats for the price of one.  Sorry, but not fair when I have paid for a seat I can not use, just so you can sprawl out.

  • Lindabator

    Exactly – if you don’t fit, for whatever reason, you need to purchase a second!

  • Lindabator

    Exactly – let’s keep the prejudices out of the equation – there a lots of reason you may be oversized for one seat — and FATTIES are not the only offenders.  I had to sit next to an football player – his shoulders ALONE had me leaning into the aisle the entire time! 

  • cjr

    Then again I am full of myself most of the time. 

  • cjr

    You sit next to the fat dude then.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    It’s very easy, I had to work on a flight recently and my ticket was really cheap, so I bought two. On the passenger page I listed Mr. Emanon, and Extra Seat Emanon as the passengers names.  I went through TSA with my boarding pass, and boarded the plane making sure the scanned both.  It was a piece of cake and I had tons of room to sprawl, I even shared it with the guy in the window seat.
     
     I easily fit in one seat with wise, but man, this was so nice.  It was like first class minus the meal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYR4YYOAPY4X3UUYLPCADARF3Q emanon256

    I have not noticed airline seats getting smaller as people seem to state.  I do think leg room has diminished, but I still fit comfortably between both arm rests.  What annoys me is any encroachment, not just people of size.  I have noticed some people my size and smaller will just encroach.  They put their leg in front of me, put their arm well above the arm rest elbowing me in the side, cross their leg putting their foot on my lap.  That is equally as annoying.  I have noticed people of size seem to be a little more cautious about spreading out, where these people I am referring to simply have an attitude that this is their plane and everyone else is in their way.  My other weird observation with people of size is that they often seem to be in the middle seat.  Why is that?  Either way, if you want or need more space, I think people should pay for it.

  • Tony A.

    We wish everyone is a kind as you. Cheers,

  • Brooklyn

    You disagree with someone, so you call them a troll. Classy.

  • Jennifer

    Most people, including myself, fit into a standard seat just fine, and aren’t willing to pay extra for more space.  If they were, business and first class would be more popular. Why should everyone have to pay more just because a few people don’t fit?

  • Rachel

    If normal size people want to pay for economy wide, then let them. More revenue for the airline.

  • cjr

    It’s the faggoty advocacy groups that cause this mess.

  • Vivi

    I was on a NY-SF flight on UA about a year ago where a passenger brought two tickets to accommodate his size, he had the window and middle seat while I had the aisle seat.  It was a packed flight and he was “asked” to give up the extra seat so another passenger could use it.  He very politely explained that he purchased two seats b/c he didn’t want cause discomfort to another passenger and giving up the second seat would mean both he and the other passenger would be squeezed into a far too small space making them both miserable.  The UA rep actually argued with him that the other passenger HAD to get to SF and at one point suggested they would deplane HIM for causing a disturbance.  It was surreal.  The UA rep finally gave up but this poor man was treated horribly by the FAs for the entire flight. 

    Next time you buy two seats and are asked to give one up, stand your ground.  You are doing the right thing and the airlines need to respect that.

  • Vivi

    I had a similar experience flying to Frankfurt.  I was in Economy Plus, aisle seat, and the guy next to me was very tall, too tall to fit comfortably in his seat.  When I boarded he had his legs stretched out under the seat in front of my seat.  I store a small carry on bag in that space and had to ask him to move his legs.  He did but during the long flight he would periodically stretch his legs back into the space under the seat in front of mine (I tend to curl up on my seat so I wasn’t using the area for my feet).  I felt sorry for him and finally moved my carry on to an overhead bin. 

    I agree that airlines won’t do anything but it has nothing to do with making obese passengers feel “bad” or being “politically correct”, it has everything to do with airlines simply not caring about their customers.

  • Tony A.

    Andrew, a “wide” seat will be about ~21″ wide. So now you are talking business class. Economy Wide ain’t happening.

  • Robert

    I don’t see you making any suggestions…

  • Robert

    That doesn’t mean that she (or anyone else) should get special treatment though.

  • Bill

    I’m a pretty big guy.  I just took a flight on a regional jet that seats 50 people.  They aren’t very big, that’s for sure.

    They sat a fairly large woman next to me.  However, we both fit into our seats, neither of us used a seatbelt extender and the middle arm rest stayed down.

    Although I used probably 100% of my seat, I could not encroach upon my seatmate’s space because she was using 100% of her seat.

    My point is that someone who uses more space than I do, can’t put the middle armest down, etc needs to purchase a first class or extra seat.

    American Airlines was not truthful in my opinion, when they said they would work things out for “all concerned”.  Kind of reminds me how they used to show consideration for non smokers in the 70′s (they didn’t).

    Smarten up airlines.  This is stupid.  People pay for their small space they get, your gate agent has NO RIGHT to allow someone to take my already small seat.

    If you are in the window seat, ask the big person to get up to let you in, plop that arm rest down and don’t let it come back up again.

  • Jennifer

    Have metabolisms changed since 1960?  I doubt it, and you didn’t see anywhere near this many fat people then.  For that matter, you don’t see many obese 80-year-olds – they just don’t make it that long.  Blaming your weight on you age is ridiculous.

  • Hln

    I wouldn’t be worried if I was sitting next to him if the plane crashed. Extra cushioning. 

  • Dave

    I’m a fairly big person – 6’3 AND 300+ pounds and it can be a real challenge to get comfortable on some airplanes – particularly the smaller ones. However, to date, I have had no trouble fitting myself into a single seat and although it gets close sometimes, I have never needed an extender for my seat belt.
    I would have to agree that the truly morbidly obese folk (you know who you are – heavy enough to make the shuttle bus rise a couple inches when you step off) should absolutely be required to buy two seats – no ifs ands or buts.

  • Lynerd757

    we have to check our carry on size, why don’t we have to check our broadside.

  • Jake

    Even out of a window/aisle into a middle?

  • Jake

    It’s never too late, if our Representatives would just grow a pair.  Airlines have shown it is possible to retrofit a plane to shrink the space, logically it can work the other way as well.

  • zonks

    I never said she should.  I was making the case that being overweight is not always a “choice”. 

  • Ann Lamoy

    I used to weight well over 300 pounds and would buy two tickets when I flew. I didn’t spill over into the next seat but it was tight and I hated the feeling so I spent the extra money to be really comfortable. Yet almost every single time I flew, I would get people wanting to sit in my extra seat so they could talk to my friend, FA wanting to seat people in my extra seat despite me telling them I paid for that seat and no-they couldn’t sit there. I stood my ground every time because I paid for the seat so I could be comfortable and unless they wanted to pony up twice the price of the ticket in cash, that seat was going to remain empty.

    Now that I am 150 pounds lighter, I only buy one seat. I do have wide shoulders-which will never change, so I sit by the window and lean into the window and keep my shoulder and arm off the middle arm-rest. Courtesy towards seatmates-how hard is it? Apparently pretty hard, judging by the tales I read on Chris’s blog.

  • Jennifer

    No one so large that they need two seats doesn’t know that they’re that big.  No one.  There’s nothing ‘hateful’ about saying that someone who knows they need two seats and chooses not to buy two seats is being selfish and unreasonable.

    Many have already suggested a solution: offload Jumbo, with a crane if necessary.

  • Jennifer

    No one so large that they need two seats doesn’t know that they’re that big.  No one.  There’s nothing ‘hateful’ about saying that someone who knows they need two seats and chooses not to buy two seats is being selfish and unreasonable.

    Many have already suggested a solution: offload Jumbo, with a crane if necessary.

  • Anonymous

    “They should be persecuted” is about as trolly as a comment can get without getting racist or sexist.

  • Tony A.

    Excellent point York! There must be a lot more passengers getting squeezed by oversized neighbors and overzealous recliners than those stuck in tarmacs for more than 3 hours. Yet, this important seat issue does not even get lip service from the FAA/DOT. Maybe Obama should tell his commissioners to take a couple of flights in the cramped economy section of US carriers.

  • Anonymous

    As a large person, I spent time and money to make sure I had milage for a first-class seat as often as possible, specifically for situations like this.  I like the room, the spaciousness, the lack of feeling like I’m being crushed.

    Then the last time I flew, I was informed at the gate – having pre-checked-in the previous day, insured I had my first-class seat, the whole thing – that they had overbooked first class and that I would have to be bumped to coach.

    (And no, I was not getting my miles back for that flight.)

    I asked if I could be on a later flight, and they said that no, there was nothing that could be worked out without having to wait for the next day, and then they couldn’t promise me anything then.

    I asked for a few minutes, called Delta’s customer service department, explained my situation, and was told the exact same thing, including that I would not get the miles back.

    So when I got on the plane, to my coach seat, I handed the person next to me a note and said, “That’s my name and Delta’s customer care number; they bumped me from first class or I wouldn’t be here.  If you want to call and complain, you’ll need that information.”

    They did not give me the option of a second seat; they took away my options and ability to take any kind of action to not cause problems for other people.  And claimed they could do it without giving me my miles, used for that purpose, back to me.

    Next time I think I’ll take the train.  I did a cross-country trip a couple of years ago and it was much less irritating.

  • Jennifer

    Why does US Airways think it’s ok for a passenger to intrude on another’s space by up to one inch?  Yeah, it’s not much, but it shouldn’t be permitted at all.  And is that with the armrest up, or down?

  • Jennifer

    Anyone who pays the going rate for two seats, regardless of why, should get all the perks of two seats – twice the carry-on and checked baggage allowance, two meals, etc.  You should have gotten IDB for the second seat.

  • Jennifer

    If the seats aren’t pre-sold, and are only available as upgrades at the gate, that means a ‘full’ flight will have a row of empty seats somewhere – maybe the wide seats, maybe the normal ones, but there will be empty seats.  I think that would end up raising prices for everyone.

  • Jennifer

    If you’ve ever shipped an animal as cargo, you’ll know that it costs just as much as an economy ticket for the same route, and can cost significantly more for a large dog that weighs as much as a person.  Yes, they have more relative space, and they darned well should, for what it costs to ship them!  That may have been what Eric was getting at.

    Larger seats mean fewer seats on the plane, which means a higher cost per seat.  I’m small enough to be ‘comfortable’ in an airline seat, and most people larger than me can fit in one, and aren’t willing to pay more just to be more comfortable (those who feel otherwise tend to spring for Business or First).  Why should I and everyone else who doesn’t need a larger seat have to pay more for our tickets just because you do?  You’re the one who needs more space, so you’re the one who should pay for more space.  I shouldn’t have to pay more for a seat that can fit two of me just because that’s the size you need.