XL passengers invade my economy class seat — and airlines let them

When Elisabeth Haas took her window seat on an American Airlines flight from Orlando to Dallas earlier this year, she discovered a problem – a very big problem.

“A morbidly obese seatmate encroached into my personal space,” she says. “He required a seat-belt extender and that the armrest divider be raised to accommodate his girth during the entire flight, including takeoff and landing. He also had to walk down the aisle oriented sideways and moved quite slowly.” (She sent me a photo of the offense, which I’ve published above.)

The problem of XL passengers on planes is hardly new, but their interactions with other passengers are creating a lot more friction lately. I know because over the American Thanksgiving holiday week, I reported about a man who says he had to stand on a flight between Anchorage and Philadelphia, and it became the talk of the town for about half a news cycle.

I heard from lots of passengers who said they, too, have tussled with oversized seatmates.

Haas, who was returning from a trip to see her dying grandmother in Florida, says she couldn’t comfortably fit in her seat or stow her luggage under her seat because of the encroachment. She only had access to about one-third of her economy class seat for the duration of the flight.

“Do you understand the horrific discomfort of feeling someone’s massive, unrelenting, hot and sweaty flesh pressed into your body from shoulder to ankle?” she asks.

The American Airlines flight attendants were compassionate, and because it was a sold-out flight, they allowed her to sit in their jump seats. But when she wrote a polite letter suggesting that American Airlines change its rules to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, the best it could manage was to reply with a form letter.

Here’s an excerpt:

We are sorry for your discomfort on your recent flight with us to Dallas/Fort Worth.

Our seats are standard in size and are designed to comfortably accommodate our customers. Of course, our customers do come in all shapes and sizes.

If we are aware that customers are too large to sit in a coach seat, we do what we can to avoid an awkward and uncomfortable situation — for everyone concerned.

Our airport personnel must walk a fine line in order to satisfy the needs and rights of all of our customers. I am disappointed to hear that we were not more successful on this occasion, and I am genuinely sorry that the enjoyment of your flight was diminished as a result.

I have forwarded your comments to the appropriate personnel.

Ms. Haas, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. Please give us another opportunity to welcome you aboard and the chance to provide you with a more enjoyable flight.

American Airlines didn’t address any of her safety concerns, nor did it pledge to change its rules.

Airline policies on XL passengers are at best, amorphous. Only Southwest Airlines has a clearly defined and well-publicized policy – it calls them “customers of size” — but the other major airlines tend to dance around the issue. It’s hard to find their policies online and they seem to be unevenly enforced.

When airlines do talk about their weighted customers, they do so in a tone that is usually reserved genocide victims, as if at any moment, these big passengers could shatter into a thousand pieces because someone called them fat. (Come to think of it, isn’t that how society deals with the problem of obesity?)

But the focus is one the wrong person. It isn’t the morbidly obese who are in need of special protection, but the folks seated next to them. Wedged next to them, actually. When the armrest is up, it can mean serious trouble for the other guy.

Norman Chance was the other guy on a recent flight between Anchorage and Chicago. Like Haas, he had a window seat in economy class, but found himself next to two “very large” people in the seats next to him.

“I had to sit sideways for the entire flight, in agony and pain,” says Chance, who owns an aviation company in Indianapolis. “They both fell asleep and would not move despite my requests. I ended up injuring my back, which was only resolved after visits to a chiropractor.”

He’s angry that airlines can allow two XL passengers to fly in economy class seats that are obviously too small, and he and Haas are upset that there isn’t a law to prevent it from repeating itself.

“This type of incident happens far too often,” he says.

And that’s the thing. There are no rules about passengers having to fit into the economy class seats. The closest the Federal Aviation Administration comes to addressing this issue is when it issues its guidance on passengers with disabilities, but it doesn’t specifically classify a passenger’s weight or size as a disability that is in need of protection. If it did, airlines would probably have to give every tall guy like me a first class seat, which, now that I think about it, wouldn’t be so bad.

But I think we’d all settle for a rule that says passengers are entitled to a minimum amount of legroom and personal space, whether they’re on American Airlines or any other airline. The Transportation Department already has those requirements in place for animals that fly, but curiously, not for humans seated in economy class.

Such a rule would prevent a bulk of these XL passenger incidents from happening, and make flying a far more humane experience — for all of us.

  • Jennifer

    If you’ve ever shipped an animal as cargo, you’ll know that it costs just as much as an economy ticket for the same route, and can cost significantly more for a large dog that weighs as much as a person.  Yes, they have more relative space, and they darned well should, for what it costs to ship them!  That may have been what Eric was getting at.

    Larger seats mean fewer seats on the plane, which means a higher cost per seat.  I’m small enough to be ‘comfortable’ in an airline seat, and most people larger than me can fit in one, and aren’t willing to pay more just to be more comfortable (those who feel otherwise tend to spring for Business or First).  Why should I and everyone else who doesn’t need a larger seat have to pay more for our tickets just because you do?  You’re the one who needs more space, so you’re the one who should pay for more space.  I shouldn’t have to pay more for a seat that can fit two of me just because that’s the size you need.

  • cjr

    If only first class had a buffet, ALL large people would be flying first class and fit in the seats no problem.

  • cjr

    If only first class had a buffet, ALL large people would be flying first class and fit in the seats no problem.

  • cjr

    If you offered a practical solution yourself rather than just bitch and moan about other posters we might be able to take you seriously

  • Anonymous

    They put a special name on the extra seat, so as not to appear as a dupe. Something like EXSEAT/MIKEGUN. You then check in yourself and the extra seat and obtain 2 boarding passes.

    I think the FA didn’t realize that I had paid for the seat and said something to the effect of “use it or lose it”. I didn’t need it for size issues, just wanted to do some work and spread out files on the empty seat.

    After my response she turned to the gate agent on board who kind of gave her a look that indicated she was out of line and confirmed I bought the seat.

  • Jennifer Jonsson

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again; if you have a large person spilling over into your seat, you have to complain about it BEFORE THE FLIGHT LEAVES THE GATE. That’s the point at which the flight attendants can reseat you, reseat the large person, or bump one of you from the flight (and be aware, the skinny person might be the one who gets bumped).  Once the plane doors are closed, there’s nothing the flight attendants can do.  SPEAK UP!!

    By the way, I’m a large person.  I fit into a seat without a seat belt extender and the armrest can stay down, but I still garner plenty of dirty looks when I get on an airplane.  

  • Steve R

    I haven’t had to deal with sitting next to an obese passenger, but IMHO the real issue is that the seats are too small for just about everyone. I was recently on a CRJ700 from Houston to Detroit (and that’s another issue – can we stop pretending these are “regional jets” when the airlines are making us miserable flying halfway across the country in them?) seated next to a man who I’d describe as somewhat large but certainly not obese. I couldn’t even tell if he was actually overweight or just very muscular. Anyway, he had the aisle seat and I was in the window seat. I’m 6’1″ and 190 pounds, and I had to spend the entire 2.5 hour flight contorting myself to keep my leg from pressing against his.

    Also, height/long legs can be as much of a problem on planes as weight, and I haven’t seen a single study yet that suggests tall people with long legs can change with diet and exercise…

  • Fordmann

    you don’t need to be mean.

  • Jennifer

    Perhaps because the problem he’s ‘whining’ about was caused by fat people disrespecting him, his personal space, and the ticket he paid for?  If someone of any size decided to help themselves to half my seat, I’d call them much worse things than ‘fatty’.

  • MarkieA

    I’ve been reading this blog for quite some tme now. While there are certainly some rude and discourteous remarks here – this topic seems to bring them out – I believe that most of the “discourtesy” you refer to is in reaction to another’s prior discourtesy. Whether that be an obese passenger who doesn’t care enough about fellow passengers to purchase two tickets, or someone else who’s kicking the back of the seat in front of them, or the person who tries to load his/her full 29 inch suitcase into the overhead bin, I think what you’re hearing is the frustration of dealing with not-so-common courtesy from others. In general, people do not like confrontation; they’ll put up with so much more than they would imagine in order to avoid “a scene”. This blog seems to be an outlet for that. I guarantee that some of the most vocal folks in this forum would quietly and meekly accept the situation without saying a word if it happened to them in real life. That’s just human nature.

  • Andrew, NYC

    Jennifer: You misunderstood.  I’m suggesting that ALL seats are sold at the same price.  Then, during check-in, two things happen: 1) all fatso’s pay extra 50% of their fare and get a wide seat; 2) remaining wide seats are sold as upgrades to everyone.  There should be a provision that a “regular” person can have his upgrade revoked — and fee refunded — if some fatso sneaks into the plane but can’t fit into a regular seat.  If not enough people buy upgrades — oh well, some lucky ones will get wide seats for free.  That’s at most a 2-3% decrease in airline revenue (math above).  Fine, increase fares by this much.
    Tony: A wide seat will be 17″ + 50% = 25″, not 21″.  However, this ain’t business class.  Business class includes large armrests, more legroom, better entertainment and food, nicer flight attendants, cleaner bathrooms, etc.  So if you are suggesting that airlines will lose business class revenue to people seeking wide economy, I don’t think it will happen.  Nevertheless, that’s one of the reasons why I’m only suggesting selling these seats as an upgrade, so that a passenger can’t guarantee himself such a seat beforehand.

  • Cyndi

    I think fliers need to provide the number of cubic inches they require. Even providing a size guide.  A large person should be able to purchase the space they need and an average person should be able to have the space they purchase.  Blue jeans aren’t one size fits all and with the snugness of plane seats, neither are plane seats. At 5’7″ and 140 lbs, I’m just barely comfortable.  Please airlines, let me buy the space I need without having to buy an overpriced first class seat!

  • Anonymous

    Unless you’re referring to a bundle of sticks, your language is entirely inappropriate for this website or any polite company.  I don’t care if I’m being “too PC” for you, either.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not Douglas but I’d rather have a full middle seat than half of a window or aisle, so yes, I would.

  • April E.

    We all pay for our seats, I’m not interested in sharing… I want the WHOLE thing I paid for and I want the entire space I paid for.  I’m tired of being cramped by people that are too large for their spaces and haven’t the common courtesy to deal with that.  I’m sick and tired of the ‘discrimination’ word.  I’M being discriminated against for choosing to be average size.  AND I’m not ragging on overweight people here, I’m ragging on the attitude of those that put others in the position described in this article.

    People KNOW they don’t fit in the seats, they KNOW they have options to not make other people on the plan uncomfortable and they don’t take them. 

    YES the airlines should be dealing with this… SWA is right on.  There have been suggestions to offer ‘extra width room’ seats in addition to ‘extra leg room’ seats for minimal cost upgrades… sure.  I don’t see this problem as any different than trying to park your big ole SUV in the increasingly tiny parking spots.  Sure, I can rail against the mall for making the parking spots too small… but that’s the way things are, SO my choice is to park where I may make it very difficult for someone to get in and out of their car OR because I choose to have a big SUV I can park out further and inconvenience myself.  The analogy only goes so far, but the point is that the people themselves have to take responsibility.  They put the airlines and the people around them in a bad position for something that is for most (not all, but most) their choice. 

  • cjr

    Ahh, nice, another attempt at name-spoofing (and, if I had to guess, I know exactly who it is).

    My e-mail is attached to the name I enter; it’s the same every time. Obviously, the post above will have come with a different e-mail.

    So it shouldn’t be hard to tell the troll to eff off.

  • cjr

    Chris, it’s time for something to do be done about the name-spoofers, and it is easy for you to tell who is doing it.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Which ones are yours, real cjr? I will fix this.

  • cjr

    So who’s doing the spoofing then? You, when there’s already been such a problem with the name ‘Brooklyn’ in the past, or BenFranklin?

    If you think ‘trolling’ is classy, then I cannot help you deal with issues going on in your tiny little mind.

  • cjr

    And here people above are accusing me – the real me – of being less than classy when I rightfully point out a troll.

    So the troll goes and makes comments like this.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Christopher, for looking into this so quickly.

    I have now created a Disqus account, and it automatically recognized which posts were mine based on the e-mail address I’ve always used with this site.

    So now one can easily which posts are mine, and which ones were the troublemaker, based on the fact that the name used on my posts changed.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve said it before.  It’s a toughie when it comes to paying for an extra seat. Who really wants to pay more? A lot of passengers would prefer an exit row to get the extra legroom without paying for a business class or first class fare.  Parents will show up with a infant and child restraint without paying for an extra seat.  A lap child is actually free on domestic routes on most US airlines, and if there’s an empty seat suitable for a child restraint, they’ll allow it to be used.  Otherwise, they’ll check in the restraint for free.

    There are also the cases where people have specifically booked an extra seat or bumped up to a larger seat only to have that taken away without compensation or recourse.  Is there an outrage when that happens, or do people think “fatso deserved it for being so fat”?

  • cjr001

    This isn’t being mean – it’s just looking at the facts that matter here.

  • Anonymous

    Another spoof, another e-mail address.

    I guess it might not take much more to sway me away from the completely anonymous posting that Christopher allows here.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    I’ve switched to allow only comments from registered users with a verified email. That should fix the problem.

  • Anonymous

    yes, it is being mean, she was just relaying the facts as she knows them.  Maybe to you it’s not relevant, but to her it is important.  Be a little tolerant please.  

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me?  I’m not a troll. 

  • Franklin Shaffer

    About 2-yrs ago, my wife and I flew from SMF to STL.  The flight was full with no empty seats left. We sat separately (not by choice) but in adjacent rows.  Unfortunately, near the end of the boarding process, an XL female squeezed into the last seat available next to my wife.  It was very uncomfortable for my wife as the XL passenger’s body (arms/legs) flowed over into my wife’s area.  My wife did not complain to the FA, so she just “sucked” it up all the way to STL.  After we got home, we wrote SWA an email explaining her displeasure with the incident.  SWA, without our requesting anything, graciously refunded the entire portion of the fare and even gave her a $50 voucher good on a next ticket within the next year.  KUDOS to SWA!

  • Anonymous

    No, I wasn’t referring to you as being the troll.

    It was to the person who made a hateful comment using my username. A comment which Chris has since rightfully deleted.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, I see, another troll using someone’s username.  I always thought you were reasonable so I was a bit surprised.  Hopefully Chris requiring an email address will cut this stupidity down. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APYUUYTDD54O3Q3ADJDX4EILGI AllanJ

    (copied from another web site)
     
    You need to say something before departure. In front of the ground complaint resolution officer and the captain (whom you have called for if the flight attendant did not succeed in finding an empty seat somewhere for you). And preferably not in front of the larger passenger except that you might need to point out to them that the seat you were assigned to has someone in it.
     
    Jump right to the suggestion that they find you an empty seat. But don’t say out loud right away where (can be a jump seat or first class) or say that they can move the larger person instead, which they can. Let them figure that out. If they don’t seem to be getting anywhere then you can overtly suggest out loud that they ask for volunteers to be bumped.
     
    Do not volunteer yourself quickly at that time. You do not want to look like the purpose of what you are doing is trying to score a bump voucher.
     
    Now I did hear on a radio news program recently a flight attendant (I forget the airline) saying that his/her job was to ensure you a safe and comfortable and enjoyable flight. This was in connection with actor Alec Baldwin’s being taken off of a flight. You can work this into your conversation if you want to.
     
    Psst! Don’t tell them this out loud  but the captain wants to wrap up the conversation with you quickly so he can depart and this increases the chance he will ask for volunteers. And, if the airline chooses to bump the person taking up more seats than he booked, then the airline does not have to pay compensation.

  • http://twitter.com/kittygrace Amy Johnson

    We sure do need something stating minimum space guidelines for airlines and not because I’m being encroached upon but because I’m the encroacher.  It’s not any more fun for us than it is for you.  To sit there trying to squeeze into a seat that’s 17.2″ wide while the person next to you is staring daggers at you, is humiliating.  Even though my husband and I always buy an extra seat, just the looks you get as you’re walking down the aisle (sideways) to your seat is humiliating. You can just about hear the prayers going out… “please God, don’t let them sit next to me.”  How about making a few seats on every plane that are larger, with easier access for people of size?  Make the person show proof of their weight in order to reserve one of these seats, sort of like proving your age to get a senior discount.  I would fly exclusively on the first airline to offer something like this.  Or what about just making a plane with a reasonable seat size, I mean come on, 17.2″…?  That’s just ridiculous.

  • Gennadiy Treyger

    Amy, I understand what it is like to experience those humiliating daggers.  Have you tried doing anything about that?  Not to put too fine of a point on this, but losing weight, while difficult, is quite possible!  
    Just about every airline has a few seats on every plane that are larger, and have easier access.  They are located in the front of the plane and are called “First Class”.  
    I do agree with you on the issue of reasonable seat size.  17.2 is not wide enough to comfortably accommodate many Americans.  

  • Gennadiy Treyger

    If the airline doesn’t have a first class, you can skip that step and just catch another flight.  

  • Gennadiy Treyger

    Food for thought:

    1.  I hated those “daggers” you are talking about.  Went to the gym, lost the weight.  No more “daggers”.  It was difficult, but possible.

    2.  Most airlines have a “few seats on every plane that are larger, with easier access for people of size”.  You don’t even have to disclose your weight to reserve them!  They are located in the front of the plane, and are, usually, referred to as the “First Class”.  

    3.  17.2 is not a reasonable seat size for an average american.  I think it is time we realize that we have surpassed that, and get the next size up.  Of course, that would mean less seats on the plane, and more cost per passenger, but I don’t mind paying a few extra bucks for the comfort of a larger seat.  

  • http://twitter.com/niltiac Caitlin Fitzsimmons

    I think if the person doesn’t fit in the seat, then they need a second seat. The real question is whether they should pay for it, or whether the airline should provide it.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting:

    According to a CNN article today (2012-Jan-13), under Canadian law as of 2008, clinically obese passengers travelling to/from Canada are automatically entitled to a free additional seat.

    However there is nothing to protect extra-tall passengers who require premium economy seats because they cannot fit in standard economy seats.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/travel/tall-flier-air-canada/index.html

  • MagicTravelAndrew

     I suspect a lot of companies are worried about some sort of discrimination lawsuit and a tearful overweight person recounting their alleged humiliation on prime time TV. In the situation described in this post on a full aircraft the only options are getting other passengers to put up with the situation or telling the overweight passenger that they should have bought 2 tickets and denying them entry to the flight. I’m guessing that hoping other passengers will silently put up with discomfort is judged to be less likely to get them sued.

  • Amy Clover

    Every business except the airlines expects people to pay more if they want or need more. I guarantee that these large passengers to do approach the Hertz counter after their flight and say, “I need a large size car because I cannot fit in a compact car, but I only want to pay for the compact car rate. So don’t discriminate against my “disability” and don’t hurt my feelings – just ignore my obesity and give me a luxury car for the price of a compact”. They don’t go to McDonalds and say, “I need to supersize my meal to maintain my weight, but I only want to pay for a kid’s meal”. And yet they go to the airlines, pay for a coach seat, and expect to get 1.5 coach seats. What makes it worse if that this extra half a seat is taken from a passenger that paid for an entire seat. This would be like having half of your steak taken away by the waitress to give to the fat person at the next table. When the airlines sell a coach ticket, they are selling 18 inches of space. They are not agreeing to transport one person from point A to point B, because if that were true, lap children would not be free, and pregnant ladies would pay double. The airlines charge more for first class because it IS more, and they are simply selling space. So if you cannot fit into a coach seat, buy 2, or buy a first class seat.

  • BubbeJ

    This happened to me and I had to sit sideways from AMS to DTW. I wrote a thoughtful letter to the then NW Airlines, and they personally answered my letter, sent me a voucher for $250 and gave me extra miles for my discomfort. While my flight was miserable, the flight attendants were aware of the issue, but were unable to reseat me due to a full flight. I was pleasantly surprised with the response.

  • January

    I could swear I flew on jets in the ’60′s. In fact it took a lot less time back then to get from NY to LA. And if you wanted first class you just pId an extra $15.

  • D Lalande

    If their flying acceptance measures are for supposedly normal women’s min-max.(75-175 lbs) and mens min-max (125-250 lbs) then for sure they will have a quarter or more of people that can not fit those bloody tiny seats. Instead of squeezing the most possible persons on the plane for the profitability purpose, they should redesign the plane seats configuration in order to add a certain percentage of non business class larger seats. If the obesity societal figures statistics says that 15-25 percent of people in North America are into that category then the planes configuration should reflect that reality. Example : on a 250 passengers capacity plane they should have 10 percent in first class: 25 passengers at 500$-more, 40 inches-more width seats, 20 percent in larger accommodating seats : 50 passengers at 200-300$-more. 36-40 inches width seats and the rest of the plane: 175 passengers in economy at 99$-200$, 31-34 inches width normal seats. And i think that everybody would be happy, the transporters, the obeses and the rest of normal skinny people. First Class, Accommodating Class and Normal Class. That’s it That’s all !!!