Will TSA’s new senior exemption make air travel safer?

Nothing makes you forget bad news faster than a little manufactured good news, a PR secret the TSA seems to have stumbled upon last week.

The agency charged with protecting us from airborne terrorists revealed it would allow wedding dresses to be carried on the plane as luggage. Seriously, the TSA says yes to the dress!

Never mind that there’s no evidence jihadists ever have or ever will try to blow up a plane with a bridal gown.

In a second, more significant announcement, the TSA said it would begin testing “modified” screening procedures for passengers 75 and older next Monday. Senior citizens will now be allowed to leave their shoes and light outerwear on, and will be allowed an extra pass through the full-body scanners before having to undergo a pat-down.

Both these changes were timed to offset the unfortunate news earlier this month that those scanners are easily foiled, a fact the government desperately wants you to forget.

We are not so easily fooled, and it probably isn’t a matter of if, but when, all that “advanced” imaging technology will go the way of the failed puffer machines. Remember them? Carving out two new screening exemptions is hardly enough to sway public opinion or the votes of their elected representatives, who will likely soon end funding for the controversial machines.

But it’s worth asking if the TSA, in its haste to make air travelers forget about its technological shortcomings, just made flying a little more dangerous.

Reaction to the over-75 rule was predictable. Most travelers said it made perfect sense. Grandma is about as likely to blow up a plane as a 12-year-old, who incidentally is also subjected to a new “modified” screening procedure. Stephen Colbert mocked it. And Joy Behar worried about 90-year-old terrorists on The View.

I’m not joking. Here’s the clip.

Even though Behar is obviously paranoid, her question points to a valid concern: Has TSA — in a misguided effort to create a more “risk-based” screening system or to placate an increasingly angry flying public — just added one exemption too many?

In the recent past, TSA agents have done a thorough job (perhaps too thorough) of giving older passengers a once-over.

But most successful terrorist are young and male. The oldest of the 9/11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta, was 33 and the rest were in their 20s.

But not all of them fit the profile. Consider Lalihan Akbay, who at the age of 102 holds the distinction of being the world’s oldest terrorist.

Akbay is reportedly being investigated for “making propaganda for a terrorist organization.” Speaking in her defense, her son Tevfik says she can’t understand, speak or hear properly, and can’t remember what she has just said.

And yet Akbay would qualify for the TSA’s new “modified” screening procedures. I feel much safer now.

It goes the other way, too. This 11-year-old holy warrior, believed to be the world’s youngest terrorist, would also get to keep his explosive shoes on when he goes through airport security in the United States. If he ever made it here.

There has to be better way.

Maybe the TSA is going about this all wrong. Maybe instead of a foolish process of elimination, which still leaves a small but not insignificant risk, the government should reverse its approach.

Instead of thinking of air travelers as guilty of terrorism until proven innocent, why not think of us as innocent until proven guilty? (There’s something so American about that, isn’t there?)

The TSA is busy creating special groups that it believes don’t present a threat, including high-level government officials, members of the armed services and their families, airport workers, children, senior citizens and frequent fliers with their special little FastPasses.

But why not spent all that money trying to identify the bad guys before they board? You know, like the law enforcement officers they like to think of themselves as.

Flashing an AARP card shouldn’t exempt anyone from being carefully screened, or probably more to the point, pre-screened. (OK, technically you qualify for an AARP card at 50, but you get the point.) Offering all senior citizens a waiver makes about as much sense as giving wedding dresses and the women carrying them a pass.

After all, what kind of threat could a bride present? She has her whole life ahead of her, and so much to lose. She couldn’t possibly be carrying a bomb — could she?

(To those of you who have pointed out that the poll question is absurd as the TSA’s actions — thank you. Exactly my point.)

(Photo: calvinistguy/Flickr)

Christopher Elliott

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  • Raven_Altosk

    I recently emailed the TSA looking for an answer to my question. Here’s what happened:

    Last week at IAH, my GF and I were traveling to see her family. We were in the “elite access” security line on C & E. The wait was over 40 minutes there and 60 minutes at the regular line. (Spring Break travelers…)

    As we approached the checkpoint, the young man directing people asked if we had any “children under 10” with us. Everyone who answered “yes” was sent through the metal detector.

    I said no, but that my GF was 5.5 months pregnant. He waved us towards the pornoscanner and said “it works on radio waves and your cell phone makes more.” I asked why kids weren’t being sent through it and he said, “It’s policy.”

    My GF said she wanted a pat down instead of the pornoscanner. The woman working it said, “We’re really backed up! Are you serious!?”

    We were indeed serious. With a lot of huffing and puffing from annoyed agents, one just said, “Just go through the metal detector. I don’t have time for this.”

    So my questions to the TSA were:
    1. If the pornoscanner isn’t used on kids, why is it okay for pregnant women?

    2. If the SOP is to pat down anyone who refuses the pornoscanner does that mean during super-peak travel, they just won’t bother?

    3. Everywhere around the checkpoint it states “this technology (pornoscan) is optional” and yet when someone opts out, they are treated like an inconveinence. Why is this acceptable?

    I sent the email via their website on Wednesday. I have heard nothing back.

  • http://elliott.org Christopher Elliott

    Interesting. Please let me know how TSA responds to your email — if it does at all.

  • ClareClare

    !!! So what happened?  Did your pregnant friend go through the pornoscanner?!  Or did she insist on exercising her right to a pat-down? (One of the only rights left to us law-abiding citizens at TSA-points…)

    Did you get the names of the TSA people involved, or are the goons still conveniently failing to wear name-tags? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SJ7Z4IL5YX75U3SX2RVLY5GSDM granana

    You ask the wrong question. It should be will the new rule make us less safe, The answer would probably be the same.

  • Extramail

    So, if I’m 74 years and 11 months old, I have to strip but on my birthday, I can wear layers of clothing and go smoothly through security? Guess I’ll have to make sure and time my air travel just right . . . I still say,and will continue to say, passengers have proven that we will take care of any unruly fellow passengers and that is our best prevention.

  • Ann Lamoy

    Per Raven “We were indeed serious. With a lot of huffing and puffing from annoyed
    agents, one just said, “Just go through the metal detector. I don’t have
    time for this.””

    So the girl friend didn’t go through the pornoscanner or get the pat down-she went through the regular old metal detector.

    Good thing she left all those terrorist things home

    Raven-I too would be interested to know what TSA has to say-if they ever reply.

  • Ann Lamoy

    Once again the TSA makes zero sense. This is broad based “well if you are a certain age/race/ethnicity/citizenship style of profiling” that make absolutely NO sense at all. Like Chris pointed out, there are terrorists as young as 11, as old as 102. We’ve had home grown terrorists that are white (hello Timothy McVeigh and what about all of the groups that have sprung up in the past four years? You don’t think that some of them are not extreme enough to think of taking out an airplane, train, bus, Federal or State building or other target? I would love to live in your reality).

    The reality is, the TSA is a big boondoggle. They aren’t fully cooperating with other Federal agencies to identify real and credible threats to airport security because finding a way to truly work with other agencies and come up with a workable way to screen passengers without all of the theatre would mean a reduction in the budget. And like almost all of the Washington bureaucracy, heaven forbid that EVER happen. SOMEBODY might be out of a job. *eyeroll*

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Whenever I hear about seniors and air travel, I think of two things:

    1) Current procedures are not based on common sense nor courtesy.  Both of things are more highly valued by the generation before mine; when they are lacking, they become very upset.  My generation becomes annoyed.  My son’s generation doesn’t see what the problem is.  I’m overgeneralizing, I know.  Many of the TSOs are of my son’s generation.  Put them in a position of authority, with a set of inflexible rules, and then have them interact with the other generations . . .  well, that’s why those well-publicized incidents occur.

    2)  I’m a political/action thriller reader.  I haven’t seen the Bourne movies, but I’ve read the books by Robert Ludlum.  Carlos the Jackal (a terrorist) makes use of his “army of old men” to carry out his orders, sometimes resulting in their deaths.  I’m sorry, I really can’t get that thought out of my mind when I read about exemptions for seniors.

    Carving out an exemption for seniors really doesn’t make sense, when I put my two thoughts together.  There shouldn’t be a reason in the *first place* to create an exemption, if only common sense and courtesy prevailed.  I know, not particularly realistic.  There have been a number of posts here on TSA-related topics that do provide realistic solutions and I thank them for offering them. 

  • Rose Arnold

     Of course you are correct.  Asking if giving seniors a pass would make us safer makes no sense.

  • TonyA_says

    During our recent [Christmas] trip to a beach in Southeast Asia (Boracay to be exact), there was a very long line at the airport security screening in the small airport. A female guard tapped me in the shoulder and politely told me to take my mid-80 year old parents  and cut to the front of line because that country does not make elderly people wait while standing up.

    Strangely enough that area of the world does not need a “security theater”, as terrorism there is very real.

    The beach was awesome and the peoples’ hospitality even better.

  • Meebo

    For a group that straps bombs to kids, this development just reads, “Hey another door is open.”

  • LeeAnneClark

    If they respond at all, it will be nothing but a worthless form letter giving their typical non-apology:  “We’re sorry you were less than satisfied with your screening experience”.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Actually it does.  The reality is that it makes SENIOR CITIZENS safer – safe from the prying hands, abusive gropes, and insensitive medical-device screenings.  So if we include senior citizens in “us”, then this just made “us” safer.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Paranoid much?  Name one instance – ONE (that’s not in a novel) in which an elderly person blew up an American plane.  Name one.  Here’s a clue – it’s NEVER HAPPENED.  OH, but it COULD happen, right?  Yeah, and aliens might fly out of Pistole’s arse and strap a bomb to a monkey who secretly climbs up into the luggage compartment and blows up the plane.

    It makes so much sense to spend billions of dollars trying to prevent something that has NEVER HAPPENED because there’s a 1-in-30-million chance it might happen, in someone’s warped imagination.

    Such logic.

  • LeeAnneClark

    I voted yes – it makes us safer.  How?  Because it protects the senior citizens among us from forced stripping, abusive molestations, and insensitive medical-device screenings.  Our senior citizens are now safer as they will not be subjected to such abuse by the uneducated, ill-trained, power-mad Walmart rejects who make up the majority of our “professional” ::snort:: TSA workforce.

    Unfortunately, the rest of us are still subjected to this useless, horrific abuse (which we pay for with 8 BILLION of our tax dollars every year).

    So while it makes some of us safer, it leaves the rest of us still at risk of sexual assault, physical abuse, and public humiliation for the “crime” of wanting to board an aircraft for which we’ve legally purchased a ticket.

  • Rose Arnold

     From that perspective, I’d have to agree with you.

  • Linda

    Seems to me there was a book by Tom Clancy way before 9/11 where a plane was flown into the US Capitol. So… it could happen and it did happen. Well, not the Capitol but you get the idea.

  • bodega3

    I traveled with my 90 plus year old father until he died and he was always treated well.  The biggest issue he had was with his shoes.  Getting them off and then back on took a lot of time and TSA was always considerate.  He took on a Jed Clampet look with a rope for a belt as he had no hips and didn’t wish to embarrass anyone by removing a belt which would make his pants fall down.  He learned to place all his pocket items in a small ziplock bag.  He was never, ever hassled by the TSA.

    Having worked around seniors, they are as sneaky as any teenager.  They will bring in illegal items, go where they are suppose to go and use their age as an excuse.  I have no problems with TSA watching this age group any more that they do any other.   

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iam-Wendy/100002138363206 Iam Wendy

    Chris, with all due respect,you are asking the wrong question. The question to be asked is “how large is the terrorist threat?” The answer is, negligible. In fact, even John Pistole remarked “one in a billion.”. If we are so terrified of 11-year-old and 102-year-old terrorists, there’s no reason to suspect that their one and only target would be an aircraft. Over the last ten years, comparing “protected” venues (airplanes) against “unprotected” venues (pretty much everywhere else), one will find that the incidents of successful terrorist attacks is identical between them – namely, zero. Of, you could cite the show bomber and the underwear bomber, true: but even without passenger intervention, I’ve read that their attempts were ineffective.

    You and your family would be just as dead being bombed in a church as being bombed in an airplane.

  • Kevkev12

    If we want to be safer, America should mind own business, do not create enemy. Let America take care their own people and makes them prosper rather than throws billions dollar into war that never ends.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iam-Wendy/100002138363206 Iam Wendy

    Meebo, over the past ten years there have been so many other open doors that it is laughable (venues that have been subjected to terrorist attack overseas: hotels, airports, trains, shopping centers/malls, churches). Please note that these “unprotected” domestic venues experienced zero terrorist incidents. Doesn’t matter if a door is open if it’s in the middle of the desert…

  • AAmerican1

    I agree and when YOUR country where ever it may be is destroyed by a natural disaster or invaded by a disctorial regime do not I repeat DO NOT cry out WHERE ARE THE AMERICANS! Cuz we gonna take your advice and mind our own business and take care our our OWN PEIOPLE and stop providing foreigners with our hard earned money to throw away. GOD BLESS AMERICA! 

  • Chasmosaur

    I’m actually laughing about the wedding dress thing.  If TSA had tried to unpack and handle my sister’s wedding dress (made in NYC by a family member who was a costumer), there would have been an international incident.  My Mom was already annoyed enough the airline wouldn’t let her buy a second seat for the oversized box (don’t ask why, we never figured it out).  It took a really nice baggage handler supervisor who also thought it was stupid and made it his personal mission the box would be handed to my mother in DC without a ding or a scratch.

  • LeeAnneClark

    There was also a book that an alien civilization came down to earth and secretly inhabited the bodies of citizens in order to take over the planet.  I guess we should start spending billions to prevent THAT from happening too, huh?

  • LeeAnneClark

    And my mother was physically assaulted when an aggressive TSO manhandled her breasts right after her breast cancer surgery, rubbing right on the tender incision area until she cried in pain…even though she kept telling the brute that she’d just had surgery there. 

    And yet another time, she was publicly humiliated when she was forced to wait 90 minutes in a line, then was not allowed to go to the restroom before her brutal groping (after her metal hip set off the detector), which caused her to urinate on herself…upon which the TSO started loudly screaming “DID YOU PISS ON ME???” when she shoved her hand between my mother’s legs and found her trousers damp. 

    Oh, and then there was the OTHER time when a TSO loudly shouted out “Whatchoo got in your pants?” after shoving her hand between my mother’s legs and feeling the adult diaper there, which Mom started wearing every time she flies due to the forced-to-urinate-on-herself incident.

    I’m glad your pop has never been abused.  He’s lucky – it truly sucks to stand there and watch your elderly, disabled mother be assaulted, molested, and humiliated…and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.

    By the way, I just gotta ask…do you think any of these “sneaky” seniors plan blowing up planes with their “illegal items”?

  • LeeAnneClark

    After years of reading Christopher’s blog and seeing the absurd responses to his frequent TSA articles, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are wasting your time. Your logic makes way too much sense to be comprehended by the insanely-paranoid American citizenry. 

    They would rather give up all of their freedom, dignity and civil rights so that the government can pretend to protect them from non-existent threats…because, ya know, Tom Clancy once predicted in a novel that something bad might happen.

  • bodega3

    Sorry you are so bitter.

  • LeeAnneClark

    I’m not bitter.  Just realistic, and experienced in what happens when you complain to the TSA. 

    And since I do not believe we are personally acquainted, I would appreciate it if you would kindly refrain from stating that I “am” a certain way when you have never met me and have no idea what I “am. 

    Typical ad-hominem response by someone who is incapable of intelligent debate:  rather than attack the idea, you attack and label the person.

  • bodega3

    I think you are one who finds an experience different than others.  I am please to say that I have never seen anything like what you say you have seen and experienced. I am sure if someone I loved was placed in an difficult place as what you descibe, I would be upset.  I have watched my pregnant DIL, my grandkids, my elderly parents all be treated well….so far!  I have been pulled over for extra screening and was understanding and was treated well.  The only one who has had an issue is my son and he brought it on with the way he was dressed and he even admitted that.  He dresses better now when he travels and that pleases me in more ways than one!

    Everyone feels sorry for seniors and wants to give them a pass but they can’t be trusted anymore than anyother group.  I have seen, heard and watched and even got called on the table for kicking a senior lady out of a fundraise because she didn’t want to pay and went around back and came it that way.  The next year the man in charge, who called me on the table, apologzied as he had several do it to him.  I love seniors, going to be one myself I hope, but I dont’ trust them anymore than I trust teens!

  • bodega3

    Sorry but I call them as I read them.

  • streamerstoo

    Unfortunately, 75 is ridiculous. If you are a crippled 65 year old you have to endure the disgraceful pat down or pornoscan. 

  • streamerstoo

    Unfortunately, if you are a crippled 60-75 year old (or any age for that matter) you still have to endure the disgraceful pat down or porno scan.  

  • Miami510

    I recall reading a story emanating from Great Britain concerning a pregnant Irish national caught with a bomb.  It was given to her by her Arabic boyfriend.  It turned out that she was completely unaware of the lethal potential of the device.
    Terrorists do not have our sense or degree of morality and would exploit any perceived weakness.  Palestinian terrorists executed an elderly man, a victim of two strokes, by throwing the victim in his wheelchair overboard. We shouldn’t think for a moment they wouldn’t attach a bomb to a wheelchair-bound person if they knew there would be no screening.
    It is not my intention to politicize this discussion, but I wonder how many people vociferously object to physical pat-downs by TSA, are perfectly willing to vote for candidates who want to subject women seeking an abortion, to greater indignities and embarrassment in doctor’s offices.  My guess is they are mostly the same group.

  • Annapolis2

     (A) Opposition to TSA’s sexually abusive treatment of passengers is completely non-partisan.  Many compassionate people on both sides or neither side of the R/D distinction feel that lining innocent travelers up for the government inspection of their genitals is disgusting.

    (B) Stop being paranoid about terrorism.  You’re handing the bad guys the ultimate win when you let them infect your mind this way.

  • DavidYoung2

    Really?  You care so much that you e-mailed the TSA this stuff?  Too funny.  I guess I have too much other (more important and fun) stuff to do with my time. 


  • DavidYoung2

    Really?  You’re ‘experienced’ in complaining to the TSA?  OMG that’s funny.  You and Raven must just fill their mailbag with delight.

  • DavidYoung2

    Yes, yes, everybody applies to be a TSA agent just so they can grope 75-year olds.  Drat that now all their fun is spoiled  :-)

  • Annapolis2

     When I complained through my Congressional representatives about having been raped by a TSA agent who inserted a foreign object inside my body, the TSA sent a letter saying we’re sort of sorry we raped you but we don’t intend to change any of our procedures to make sure it doesn’t happen again.  The TSA essentially said I should really not be so upset about being vaginally probed by surprise by a complete stranger, as it was “not intentional”.

  • Annapolis2

    LeeAnneClark didn’t say there was any sexual motivation to the groping and abuse.  Really, when a stranger shoves their hands down your pants, is your first thought “are they turned on?” or is your first thought “Get the F away from me you abusive thug?”  It doesn’t matter whether my abuser is heavy breathing or not – creeps I don’t know forcing themselves on me, rubbing their hands all over my genitalia, are sick lowlifes any way you slice it.

  • Annapolis2

     I’m happy for you, I honestly am, that these villanous thugs haven’t hurt you or your loved ones yet.  But if you continue flying, it’s just a matter of time.  As blogger Jessamyn said, apropos of yet another TSA atrocity, “If they could stop themselves from abusing passengers, they would have already done it.” 


  • Annapolis2

    Reducing screening for vulnerable seniors will make seniors safer.  It always frightens me to see travelers with obviously compromised balance being forced into stress positions for patdowns without their canes, being dragged out of their wheelchairs and deprived of their walkers to totter through scanners without assistance, or painfully falling against tables while trying to half-undress in response to barked harassment from the blue-shirts.   I’m shocked, I really am, that this kind of mistreatment hasn’t already caused seniors to break their hips. 

    However, this announcement doesn’t seem to have any good news for the TSA’s favorite victims: passengers of any age who are wheelchair users or have implanted medical devices.  They’ll still get the full sexual assault and maybe the backroom strip search.

  • Raven_Altosk

    This is the first time I’ve ever complained to the TSA.

    And it’s a legit question: If kids are too fragile to go through the backscatter machines, why aren’t pregnant women?

  • Raven_Altosk

    Maybe you do, but I wonder about the health of my child. If you’re cool with letting your unborn baby be exposed to a machine they are specifically directing CHILDREN around, then…well…awesome for you, pal.

  • Raven_Altosk

    Will do. 

  • Raven_Altosk

    That’s pretty awesome, Tony. Hmm…Boracay…that’s on my bucket list. :)

  • TonyA_says

    If you dive, the beaches in Palawan are better.
    Boracay is a “live” community white sand beach (island) that allows one to escape from it all yet be with people. There are other beaches and islands (since the country is composed of 7,100+ islands). Some are very secluded. Amanpulo is one of the most upscale.

    The  new Survivor season will be in Caramoan Island. The new Bourne Legacy has parts filmed in Manila and Palawan, I believe.

  • http://profiles.google.com/bmgraham Barry Graham

    If they are going to exempt someone based on age, then they should also be exemptions for people who are a member of a religion that posed a low threat of terror, also people that have top security clearances should be exempt.

  • Raven_Altosk

    I have not been mistreated, either. However, I think the question about why kids are made to avoid the scanner and pregnant women are not is a valid one.

    The time I saw agents mistreat someone, it was a stranger. She was pulled for secondary screening at IAH and the the TSO came out of the “private area” screaming, “OH MY GOD!!! She’s got boy parts!!!! I just touched a man!!!” The other TSOs started laughing.

    I personally don’t think there’s anything hysterical about someone who is a pre-op transsexual being humiliated. I don’t know what happened after that, but I hope someone issued an apology to the woman.

    (Using female pronouns b/c I think that’s the polite thing to do if one presents as their preferred gender? Please correct me if I’m wrong)

  • Daisiemae

    Had your glasses checked recently?

  • Raven_Altosk

    Sharing this for laughs…it aired earlier this week.
    South Park takes on the TSA.

    ***Not Safe for Work***

  • Jeanne_in_NE

    Thank you, I needed that.

  • bodega3

    Don’t need no stinkin’ glasses.  It is sad to be so angry in each post she writes.

  • Daisiemae

    Fantastic! It is so great to see this validation that other Americans are seeing the outrage and ridiculousness of this atrocity known as TSA. This should be required screening at every session of Congress and at both the Democratic and the Republican national conventions!

    Somebody should figure out a way to post a link to this on TSAs website. Any hackers out there?

    (No, TSA and DHS, I’m not proposing that anyone breach your website. This is a little social convention known as a joke. Look that word up in the dictionary. It will help you understand that I am not a terrorist.)

  • Annapolis2

    Hi Raven_Altosk, 
    My understanding is that they direct children away from scanners because young children may have difficulty standing still enough, which leads to patdowns of tiny children, which leads to John Pistole being called “clueless” by congressmen on national TV.  Pistole’s embarassment led to a policy of reducing checkpoint child abuse, hence the policy of not sending children through the scanner.

    I guess they think pregnant women can hold still better than kids, and further that sexually abusing pregnant women isn’t so drastically unpopular as sexually abusing children is.

  • Meebo

     You are a ranting idiot.  To compare a real threat to aliens just shows how whacko you are.

  • Meebo

    So because it hasn’t happened yet is a reason to dismiss it?  Tell that to the folks in Manhattan.

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    It’s all smoke and mirrors for the sheeple — oops, I mean fine upstanding citizens. Like the entire security theater, it’s yet another sham meant to placate a credulous population. And, of course, it’s to take away some of the heat the TSA has been getting for stripping and groping Granny and Gramps. But apparently stripping and groping everybody else is still okay.

    By the way, the new regs say the blue-shirted wonders will “visually assess” the age of passengers. To say this is laughable is being too kind.

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    Too late, you just did politicize the discussion. The U.S. government is the biggest terrorist in the world today.  But I suppose bombing civilians is okay Because We’re The Good Guys.

    And I’m pro-choice, not that that or abortion has anything to do with the TSA and its assaults.

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    Bravo, KevKev12. Couldn’t agree more.

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    Translation of bodega3’s comment:

    “Nothing bad has ever happened to me. Therefore, nothing bad ever happens!”

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    Meebo, how charming. When your logic (or lack thereof) fails, resort to “ranting idiot” and “whacko.” There’s an impressive argument.

  • Joel Wechsler

    By what twisted logic do you arrive at this conlusion? My guess is that they are exactly opposite groups.

  • Meebo

    You assume she reads books. Probably not so much.

  • Meebo

     When a nutcase like you comments to the contrary I know I am correct.  My logic fails?  Yeah, I guess there’s every connection with a class of people being given a pass and aliens.  Logic like that will get you say, fired from a job?

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    Ha ha!  Love it!  

    And always interesting who has the guts to sign their real name and who doesn’t.

  • MarkieA

    Do you honestly believe that, if they respond, the TSA will respond with anything other than that described by LeeAnne? Really? That they will provide an honest, well-thought-out explanation to each of Raven’s questions? Or even anything approaching a true explanation?

  • MarkieA

    Seems that you have enough time to be snarky in this forum. And really, how much time SHOULD one allot to questioning a Government Agency whom you believe to be overstepping its boundaries? Question them now while you can, I believe.

  • MarkieA

    But because it COULD happen, we should spend billions to prevent it? I betcha that I could could come up with dozens of very plausible terrorist plots – from movies, books, and my own imagination – that we have ZERO protection against. Should we spend money on these?

  • MikeInCtown

    Meebo, you sound like the typical person who believes that the government needs to protect its citizens from every possible bad thing that may happen in their lives. Wendy, Lisa, and LeeAnne are correct in their comments. If terrorists reallyt wanted to harm us they could do so in many more ways right now. The TSA has not stopped a single incident at either a checkpoint, or on a plane that we know of. yet, last week when the flight attendant went whacko, the PASSENGERS took it upon themselves to control the situation.

    Oddly enough, do airport and flight personnel require the same screenings? If not, why not? And what makes then any safer than anyone of us? In fact, based upon the fact that someone in the armed forces just allegedly killed 16people on a shooting spree, why do members of the armed forces get a break. PTSD does a lot of damage, and you never know when someone may snap.

  • Annapolis2

     Count me among the “angry”.  Angry doesn’t even begin to describe how it feels to be raped by government agents who tell me they intend to keep doing the same thing to other women and innocent young girls.  You haven’t even seen angry until you’ve seen my rage. 

  • bodega3

    Get a new translation book. 

  • bodega3

    So you can say you learned something today, a lot of companies do not allow their workers to use their names on work related sites.   

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=30319688 Erich Schmidt

     are you employed by the federal government? More citizens should be so bitter

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone
  • bodega3

    What abuse?  What did the parents do before heading to the airport to prepare their children for the screening process?  I am sorry, but your type of headline is uncalled for.  I thought the TSA showed care and while you scream abuse, keep in mind that terrorists do use children to carry out horrible things on others. 

  • LeeAnneClark

    I’m a published author, “Meebo”. And what do YOU do for a living?

  • LeeAnneClark

    “Meebo”, if you believe that Tom Clancy’s novels involve “real threats”, then I think you need to take a look in the mirror the next time you toss out insults such as “ranting idiot” and “whack”.

  • LeeAnneClark

    Unnecessary.  We read you loud and clear.

  • LeeAnneClark

    The fact that you can’t see the abuse here is horrifying.  If a government thug told ME not to “touch my child” while they pawed his injured little body, I would tell them exactly what they can do with their disgusting blue gloves, and I would go to my child and comfort him.  How DARE that brute tell the parents not to touch their own toddler?

    And what kind of sicko would support that?

    And meanwhile, can you please share with us a single incident in which a terrorist used a child to blow up an American plane?

    Oh right…you can’t. Never happened.

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    Yeah, let’s groom our children to be easily abused. That’s the ticket!

    “Here, Jimmy, we’re going to Disneyland. But before we get there, at the airport, a man is going to put his hands all over you and touch in those places where Mommy and Daddy told you never to let anyone touch you, remember? But it’s okay for this man to touch you. He’s keeping you safe!”

  • bodega3

    I watched it a second time and still have the same view.  Do I like anyone going through that?  No.  But we live in a different time that anyone of us ever thought we would.  Parents do need to talk with their children and that parent came across as a jerk.  I thought the TSA agent did a decent job and yes, he had a job to do. 

  • http://tsanewsblog.com/214/news/history-repeats-itself-with-tsas-strip-search-tactics/ Lisa Simeone

    “Just doing my job” was discredited at Nuremberg. Or perhaps you missed that bit of history?

  • DavidYoung2

    Questioning a government agency whom you… oh, whatever. How much time? None!  Get on with life (and have extra time to be snarky — I like the word!)

  • bodega3

    Don’t fly.

  • bodega3


  • cjr001

    Aliens ARE a real threat. You just don’t know it yet!

    (Note: please read the above with a suitable level of snark.)

  • cjr001

    I have never experienced or seen anything like what LeeAnne has at an airport with TSA.

    But I’m not going live in denial that it will never happen to me, or I will never witness it myself.

    I will not wait for ‘my turn’ from TSA before trying to effect change within the worst agency our government has to offer.

  • cjr001

    “Politicians do not have our sense or degree of morality and would exploit any perceived weakness.”

    Fixed that for you.

  • cjr001

    “But we live in a different time that anyone of us ever thought we would.”

    Apparently it’s a time when pissing on the Constitution is the only Constitutionally guaranteed freedom left.

  • Annapolis2

    And just who the heck are you to boss Lisa around?   Gosh, when you start barking tyrannical orders at people who are superior to you in every way, you start to sound like … a checkpoint screener.  Do they pay you blue-shirts to post this pro-TSA drivel?

  • Annapolis2

    That video clearly shows child abuse.  Unknown adults should not be putting their hands inside a little boy’s clothing!  That’s filthy and even the father who took the video says he deeply regrets allowing the screener to touch his child.  

    Here, little boy, it’s a screening game, now just take down your pants… didn’t your parents tell you that I have a blue shirt so I’m allowed to touch those parts?

  • jennj99738

    You really need to stop with the personal attacks.  You can disagree without questioning an individual’s intelligence, calling them an idiot, nutcase, whacko, etc., etc.

  • AgentSteve

    Duh?????  TSA logic strikes again!!! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6R3ZCNPWN6IRZSLVYVYZRKVZJ4 Pamajama, Pammers, PJ

    Yep terrorists could never be senior citizens or disguise themselves as senior citizens! And disguises can be very authentic.  Fake IDs aren’t difficult. I’ve never felt safe with the TSA, just violated.  A HUGE waste of taxpayer dollars.

  • Melanie Pini

    then why couldn’t TSA simply explain that?
    Wouldn’t providing a non-medical reason to why the children were sent to use an alternate screening process, have sped this whole thing up?  Although, I’m not sure that I would have believed the agent wasn’t simply trying to pacify me to move me along.
    And, I would have clarified this question with my physician before I was due for my travel departure.